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Rubish talk.

What about the knife that Peter used to cut off the ear of one of those who came to arrest Jesus.

What was peter doing carrying a knife about? Was it for suya?

The Reverend father that was killed right inside his parish in 2006 nko?
Was he a prosperity preacher? _{Wicked people. . . Una dey find who una wan kill.}

Of course a lot of them do not depend on these guards for protection or safety.

If not, explain why after being led into the stadium or arena, they still come out on a pulpit in full view of everyone and sometimes step down and into the isles _{(guarded of course)}.

Imagine millions descending on a man of God to touch the helm of his garment all at once. lol

I have always known pastor Kumuyi to b a balanced preacher and an annointd man of God. His messages bless me each time i listen to them. He also has been in the healing n miracle ministry for several years.
LOVE is the gratest force in the world and the love of Christ continues to be the unifying force of the Church of Jesus Christ in these last days.
Deeper life and Christ embassy have more in common than many have cared to observe.

^^
Proverbs 15:2
    The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.

^^
Me too

wetu:
Fair write up, But I would say that the wife making herself ready doesn't mean to receive the Holy Spirit. Receiving the Holy Spirit is the bethrotal. When we accept Christ and obey Him, we receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:32).

The wife makes herself ready by making sure that her gown is clean without spot or blemish -holiness. The Church must prepare for the rapture by pursuing holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

As for the virgins, they all had oil in their lamps(the Holy Spirit) but the wise ones had extra oil to fill their lamps. In other words the foolish ones were careless in waiting for the Lord. They were lukewarm.

We cannot talk about rapture without holiness

Please answer my question: Is it possible to live a truly holy life without the Holy Spirit? If your answer is no, then the OP is an excellent presentation of a call to repentance and readiness for the Lord's appearing for He (the Spirit) is the one that prepares us for His appearing.

^^^ Preach it sister!!

Azibalua:
Apart from the bibles we had twenty thousand copies of "now that you are born again" and other items
For me one great thing I witnessed was the fact that even in the overflows all around the world there were miracles
In my viewing centre it was no different

I remember Rev Tom announcing that a man at Accra Ghana just got up from his wheel chair and began walking.

Joagbaje:
Remember the Epileptic boy that became deaf in one ear. Pastor chris said epilepsy is a demon, and he cast out the devil. The Boy said "I FELT IT"

Yes i do bro. He began to hear again and came to testify. It was during his mum's testimony that epilepsy was mentioned. After Pastor cast out the devil, the boy confirmed he was free. 'How do you know?' Pastor asked the boy; 'I know. . . i felt it' came the reply. Soo touching.

Jesus i love you.

Deafness, paralysis, cancers, HIV dissappear by the power of God. Demons are terrified, lungs repaired, Short limbs grow out. . . Its just marvelous.
Oh the glory of God's presence!

Wow! Live miracles taking place everywhere around the olympic stadium at the same time as crutches, walkers and wheel chairs go up in the air.Thank you Jesus.

Wow! Live miracles taking place everywhere around the olympic stadium at the same time as crutches, walkers and wheel chairs go up in the air.
Thank you Jesus.

Oh my, the glory. . . The presence. . . The Olympic stadium filled to the brim. . . All to the glory of God.(Watching via Loveworld sat).
Rev Anita just wallked in amidst applause.And then the lovely song by the praise team. . .'oh God, it's all for you. . .'

It's now time to pray.

The meeting has begun

@ Azibalua, Realtors,

Thanks a lot, all is for the glory of God.

mabell:


@sirjohn,
why the question!?!

See wahala o

Joagbaje:
Donnie I remember you called me that morning to join you in prayers. But forgive .I prayed o and I told people arround me. But I forgot to follow up on it.

No wahala, I remember your encouraging response . . . 'the devil is a liar!'

Joagbaje:
In the message anticipating evil. Pastor chris had similar experience with your pastor Bleep. He talked about having a burden for prayer. Which took so many hours. He couldn't place the reason for the burden , but he continued praying until he had note of victory in him.The following day. A bomber that Satan sent blew himself on the staircase. The holy spirit will always show us all things.

I remember vividly, It was on national news.

Joagbaje:
I remember 2 years ago when pastor chris sent a message . That we should pray against strange satanic fire and death in family . I dont know if you rememember that allnite .We prayed   And one of our brothers  On Sunday had thunder strike in their home. While they were in church. 3 people were struk down and the cloth of one caught fire plus the part of the  house . But miraculously , passersby came in time to put out the fire , and there was no death. And only minor hurt.

Thesame way he gave us word in 2001 . That world will enjoy 7 year period of prosperity and after the 7 years there would be world wide economy crisis which will take another 7 years to recover. Everything came to pass exactly.

The Word has been tried and tested. It never fails.

Joagbaje:
I will love to hear the details of the kidnapping matter.

Sure you will. . . I am actually in sympathy with my pastor who i believe is still recovering from the traumatic experience.

Enigma:
And the four year old girl? How was she to "resist the devil"?

Who in their right minds would put an onus on a 4 (FOUR) year old to "retain their healing"?

And don't give us further nonsense that the people around her should do it on their behalf. The bottom line is that the "doctrine" of "retaining healing" is simply hogwash used for brainwashing the undiscerning!

You have answered the question already. It is because of the innocence and vulnerability of these little ones that ministries like Christ Embassy take prayers and care for little children seriously. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-265721.0.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lEP4t7o5uY http://theinnercitymissionofchristembassy.org/beta4/

Couldn't get tickets for Night of Bliss?

You can watch online: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-620567.0.html#msg7882636

I watched Pastor Chris Yesterday on TV pleading with those who were unable to get tickets for the Night of bliss scheduled for the 11th of March 2011 @ the Soccer City complex, FNB stadium , Johannesburg South Africa to stay away from the premises as the program will be aired on major TV networks and satellites around the world. Several websites will also be showing the program live he promised, mentioning also that the same anointing will be made available to the viewers all over the world.

This is obviously a crowd control measure as every available space had long been booked. As at the last communion service on the 6th of February, 2011, over 100,000 people had registered online to attend the Night of bliss @ the world cup stadium.


Were you unable to get a ticket?
Well, you can watch the event live online: http://nightofblisssouthafrica.co.za/

Other Important Announcements:

1. All those who collected tickets must be at the stadium between 8am and 12noon.

2. Night of Bliss South Africa will be aired LIVE in the following national Television Stations;

Zambia (ZNBC),
Swaziland (Swazi Tv),
Malawi (MBC Tv),
Zimbabwe (ZBC Tv),
Lesotho (Lesotho Tv),
South Africa (Soweto Tv). Please note that Soweto Tv is on DSTV.
It will be LIVE on our station LoveworldSat. In this way most of our invitees can participate through the night.

Do not let anyone or anything rub you or your invitees of God's blessing on the 11th of March 2011. As long as you can hear Pastor Chris, faith will be stirred up in your heart. It doesn't matter if you are watching at home or in one of our centres. You will be healed and many will be saved.

Below Are The "NIGHT OF BLISS SOUTH AFRICA" Viewing Centres

SOUTH AFRICA

1. Randburg 2 333 Pretoria Avenue, Ferndale, (Opp Randburg Square)
2. Randburg 1 19 Harley Street, Cnr Oak Avenue & Harley Street, Ferndale, Randburg
3. Cape Town 35 Brickfield Road, Salt River, Cape Town
4. Sandton 9 Dartfield Rd, off south rd, kramerville Sandton
5. Pretoria Central 395 Struben & Duitoit
6. Kensington 433 Commissioner Street, Kensington
7. Durban Central 110 Williams Road, Umbilo, Durban

Also, Christ Embassy churches around the world will be hooked up to the program live.

Joagbaje:
MBA emeka, I misplaced your number. Pls I don't mind you re send it to me . See you on YOOKOS.

Speaking of yookos.com,

Please follow link below to  see my testimony. I informed you of this, remember?
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-619899.0.html

Saints of God,

On Sunday morning, (20th February 2011) my Pastor came to church looking rather troubled. He called me out as soon as he arrived and began to say some strange things. He told me he has had this strong stirring in his Spirit to pray; a burden that did not seem to go no matter how much he prayed. He prayed for days and could not eat but still felt that burden. His Spirit was troubled. On Thursday night he had a strange dream: he saw himself in a cage with animals. He woke up terrified and couldn't sleep but continued in prayer. He prayed, wept, read and confessed God's Word. His wife did her best to encourage him with scriptures declaring that it is well but this burden still wouldn't lift. On Friday, he had an anonymous number kept calling his line and when he picked there was no response from the other end. He sent an  SMS to the line asking to know who it was but no response.

On Saturday (19th Feb '11), he dreamed another dream, this time he saw two people arguing over something and suddenly one of them pulled out a gun and shot the other. He looked to see the person who was shot and guess who it was. . . my humble self.
He instructed that the church prayed intensely against this evil that had been revealed. As though it wasn't enough, he called for another prayer meeting in his house that Sunday evening where they prayed, broke bread and prophesied. I was not at his house but I heard that he had said, 'even though it happens i will come out alive and well'.

Thank God for the scriptures and the Holy Spirit in our lives. . . I was able to get comfort through prayer  after I heard these things. I also remembered the message on yookos.com on Thursday (17th Feb '11)  of the same week where Pastor Chris instructed us to fast and pray against death and the manipulation of evil among God's people. A prayer meeting was organized in the evening of the same Thursday to break the fast, which I attended and was greatly encouraged.

On Monday (21st Feb '11), the following day, while I was at work.  I got a call from our regional pastor's wife and it went:

Where are you? to which i replied, 'I'm at work'.
Then she asked, 'have you been having been feeling a strong uneasiness or an urge to pray?. . . Have you received any death threats or anonymous calls?' 'Not really' came my reply.  'I pray always. . . but Pastor XXXX shared some things with us which we prayed about'.
'Okay' came her reply, ' Pastor XXXX has been kidnapped. . . please limit your movement as much as possible and keep praying'.

Then she called later to check on me asking where I was and instructing that we get other leaders to pray with a specific prayer point:
That there will be confusion in their midst, Pastor XXXX will be released immediately without money, and the perpetrators will be exposed.

Many in the church prayed without ceasing, some refusing to eat. My movements were limited as i spent most of the time on the floor praying and groaning. I reasoned with God, asking questions like: how will this bring you glory? did you not send us? How can wickedness triumph over us. Remember the Words and the promises with which you sent us. Remember your flock.
I continued praying on Tuesday, this time with a note of victory in my spirit. Somehow, I knew in my Spirit I could not be denied an answer. As I continued I felt the peace of God but will not stop praying and declaring the counsel of God in the power of the Spirit. I made up my mind to fast and pray until I heard he has been released. . . and so did the church.

And oh how God loves to answer the cries of His saints. On Wednesday, by 5am i got an sms from a brother in church saying, ' My children, I have heard you days past'. Oh what comfort it brought. Later at about 11am, i received a call from my pastor's wife saying he he was released at about 6am that Wednesday. They took him somewhere in a bus that morning and pushed him out. She put her husband online who said, 'I have read the scriptures concerning God's deliverance but now i have experienced it. . .it is more real to me. I saw death'. The rest of the story, concerning his experience, the sad state of security and security agencies in our nation, the kidnappers' confusion and why they let him go is another day's talk.

For now, Please join me in celebrating this great God of glory. The God of Daniel Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego is alive in us and He is the same, yesterday, today and forever!!
He never fails, and he is mighty to save.

She didn't retain it. That's what happened. You may receive from God in such an atmosphere of the Word, faith and  the anointing; but it is up to you when you leave that place to resist the devil steadfastly using God's Word rightly. Symptoms may show up, but they are lies of the devil, they are a mirage. The sickness is actually gone. . . . so resist the devil and he will flee!

Staying away from fellowship with the Word and the Spirit or with fellow believers is one sure way to loose your healing. Mind you, satan is out to get the word and the testimony out of your mouth, that it  spread no further.

Sin is another reason.

"A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit." (Proverbs 15:4).

@Joagbaje, Mabel, Azibalua
Thanks for your inspiring testimonies. And for saving this thread from satanic influence. The fire of the Spirit is evident in your conversation.
Keep it up!
Bros Joe,
tell us naa. . . how did it go with the sick man lying down? lol.

^^Got ya!

Luke 16:19-31
There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: [20] And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, [21] And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. [22] And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; [23] And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. [24] And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. [25] But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. [26] And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. [27] Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: [28] For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. [29] Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. [30] And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. [31] And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Enigma:
By the way, try this on the Luke 23:43

http://bible.cc/luke/23-43.htm

Thanks for the link, it works with everyone of those translations that I had the time to try, except (maybe) the KJV because of is archaic English.

BTW guys, this is not a WOF thing, they are ok with the KJV- only that for them, paradise was in hades (the good side though- Abraham's bosom Lk. 16:22).

So I agree that Jesus went to hell even though I may not call Abraham's  bosom (in hades/hell) paradise.

Now, I may not have the time to respond to every post as we enter the new week.

Please be nice, shun nastiness as this is a new year and besides. . . it's my thread remember?  

[quote author=petres_007 link=topic=14267.msg7635852#msg7635852 date=1296423532]kai! I just dey realise dis NIV thingy o  

@donnie,

Still awaiting your response on the "Jesus went to hell" story. Just book, chapter and verse will do.[/quote]

Eph 4: 8
When He ascended on high, he led captives in His train and gave gifts to men.




Ephes. 4:9
   (What does 'he ascended' mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions?




Matthew 27:50-53
   Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. [51] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; [52] And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, [53] And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

From where did these come? Where were these captives locked up?

I had done my studies before I put that there. . . and I did not think you will ignore that.

Ok , before you use your king James to condemn me to hell
Here is the NIV rendering:

Luke 23:43-
Jesus answered him, 'I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise'.

I guess I can safely move the coma now?


Jesus answered him, 'I tell you the truth today, you will be with me in paradise'.

Remember that  no Greek MSS had punctuation of any kind until the 9th century and then it was only a dot in the middle of the line separating each word. All punctuation, therefore, rests upon human authority.  This is a statement of fact. 

The Greek reads, "Verily to thee I say, Today with Me thou shalt be in paradise."
Which again can be rendered as: "Verily to thee I say Today, with Me thou shalt be in paradise."

My Opinion doesn't count much. . . study your bible.

nuclearboy:
On the cross, Jesus promised the thief they'd be together in His Kingdom that very night.

This single scripture destroys Copelands assertion above because if Jesus went to hell that day as Copeland wishes we believe, was that the promise He made to the thief? Is Jesus then a liar, that fooled the thief taking him to hell rather than the heaven He promised?

But same scripture goes further and also destroys the decisionism gospel because we do not see the thief accepting Jesus as Lord & Savior and "claiming" salvation but just asking for mercy. This then is salvation - an absolute gift of God, not based on your claims but the state of your heart and the Grace of God.

It beats imagination how Paul could write "run the good race" and "work out your salvation" yet supposedly educated people will believe they won that race at the beginning (simply by saying Jesus is Lord) rather than the end when they cross the tape. Jesus used parables that babes understood. The Apostles and Bible examples worked out their salvation; living for God i.e. They "died" to self and Jesus lived through them. Their actions were His, they gave of themselves for love rather than gain, not once do we see a "senior" and in fact, Christ Himself said the greatest would be the servant, not the big man on the stage who "ordains" those who he has discipled and then calls them pastors, evangelists, etc.

It was the over-confidence possessing religious guys that always missed it.  In Jesus day, they held on to men's traditions and today, they still insist it is them that is alive and thus claim the world as their right and expect God bend to their will.

Deep calleth unto deep so its expected - those of the world will chase and call unto the world even if in their mouths, they say a different thing. God already told us they honor Him with mouth but their hearts are far from Him.

Let those who have ears hear

When you read the king James, bear in mind that in the original Greek we didn't have punctuations.

Luke 23:43
    And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

See what happens when you move the coma from after the word 'thee' to after the word 'To day'.

Luke 23:43
    And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee To day,  thou shalt be with me in paradise.


Bear in mind also that Jesus did not go straight to heaven from the cross,  He descended into hell because he bore our sins.

This is the reason why many refer to that section in hades where the righteous were kept awaiting Christ's redemption as paradise. . . Because he descended into hell and not heaven right after his death.

Secondly, you do not seem to be making your position clear on whether the thief on Christ's right hand was saved or not.
Don't get it mixed up brother, the fact that there is a consummation of salvation at the end does not mean that the one who receives Christ is only 'partially', saved.

Yes there is a race to be won, yes there is a prize to receive at the end of all things; however you cannot live victoriously to receive that prize at the end  unless you know that of a truth you have been born again with the life God (1Jn 5: 11-13); you are one with the father and the Son (1cor 6:17); you are from above and not of this world (Jn 17:16-18), you have (and are) the glory of God (2Cor 3:18, J 17:22); you have overcome because Jesus has overcome (Jn 16:33, I Jn 4:4).

This is not say that there isn't another overcoming to do, there actually is (Rev3:5). But that's what the fight of faith is about (1 Tim. 6:12).

It is a good fight because we have been declared victors from the beginning and we are also told to lay hold on eternal life because we can let it slip- but God forbid! We win with Christ all the way till the end!

Now I think this sounds better than making your brothers and sisters in Christ look like common criminals or devils because their views differ slightly from yours.

love ya.

^^My dear, there is a difference between the gifts of the Holy spirit (1cor 12:3-11) and ministry gifts (Eph 4:11-13).
While former refers to gifts freely given by the Holy spirit as He wills (and we are commanded to desire them), the latter are ministry gifts (offices) given to different churches (we are not told to desire them, you are called into these offices by God himself).

You may have a title, but if the Holy Spirit doesn't bring you into that office, you cannot function with respect to that office.