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Camp ground?

Isn't that place too small?

Or is it just Psychiatric rd church?

I think is high time u guys packed out that stadium again and again.

wat ya think?

If you are  not sure of your own salvation now, then like Kunle, you too are lost!

That is why we are commanded to examine oursselves whether we be in the faith.

What you are offended at is not pride but my conviction in what i believe.

True humility is submitting your self to the simplicity of the gospel without trying to think that you could have by any means saved yourself apart from Christ's

work of salvation on the cross. It is by that same grace and the power of the Holy Spirit that we are kept pure to the end. Love will necessarily flow from a heart that is full of the presence of God's Spirit.

Rom 5:5
5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
NKJV

You dont struggle to keep commandments or to please God with good works. It is your nature to do righteousness if you are born again!

There is a Spirit we have within us that is our constant assurance of his ownership over our lives and also for  the redemption of our bodies at the rapture.

It is not by chance or by luck so be warned.

Venue time n date?

Excellent! I'm glad you realize how simple the Lord is.

. . . And that is why the wolf/child of satan called KunleOsob (posing in sheep clothing as christian) will continue to post ignorance such as this all around nairaland:

Besides belief in Jesus could also be interpreted to mean belief in his gospel which was essentially Love to God and Love to fellow men whcu can be practicalized by living a good life. As you may be unaware there are a good number of translation errors in the bible which have vastly affected doctrine today.

And what about God's love for us which necessitated His sending his only begotten son to die? Until that is understood, and humbly aceepted as ultimate truth, while you personally declare his Lordship over your life, recieving  from Him eternal life, His own very life and nature into your Spirit, you will never know salvation or peace, let alone how to love Him or your fellow men.

I thought for a moment; why is it so difficult for you to see or speak the truth? .  . . The answer came. . . you are not of the truth. Then these scriptures:

Matt 13:14-15:
14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:

'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive; 
15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.' 
NKJV

That is why we will keep praying for you that God will have mercy on you and that by his grace your may find salvation and rest for your soul.

There will be no salvation where the power of God's Spirit is absent. It is the Spirit that moves believers to pray for lost souls. That is why men of God who have led many to salvation are also known to be men of deep prayer and intecession who know how to cry before  the Lord for the lost.

If it's from nairaland you want to find out, then you're not serious 'cos most of what you get here are lies from demon spirits.

You better go find out for yourself if u wanna know so u dont feed on lies and  become a lie.

Fyneguy

yap, he seems to me as such. . .

God had to knock Paul down on his way to Damascus. Paul was  zealous for God though.

Well, we will yet pray for him and his kind. Perhaps God has marked some of them for salvation. . . even if He may have to knock out some teeth . . . at least their souls might be saved.

babaearly:
If you have been closely listening to Pastor Chris teachings you will know he is infusing the New Age teachings into the Bible. Well its not bad at all because it works still but its far cry from what the traditional christian teachings used to be e.g the catholics, methodist, baptist, lutheran and the old days pentecostal like deeper life, foursquare etc.

I cant believe i was actually expecting you to at least mention the apostles of Jesus at this point. So you actually think that judgement will be based on denominational doctrines or styles of worship. You will be surprised on that day for the Word Himself shall be the judge!

babaearly:
He preaches about meditation and visualization. That is the route to create your dreams and bring it to pass but differently from new age religions you are to thank God even before the dream becoames reality which he terms faith. What happened to the good old prayer for request or supplications?

His teachings tell you you are a god on earth and you dont need to "beg" God for anything because you are just like God getting anything you want.

Well it is much true per say in New Age religion but did Jesus really teach this kind of philosophy of meditation and visualization?

Have you ever come across these words of Jesus?:

Mark 11:24
24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray , believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.[/i]KJV

babaearly:
P.S: In Joshua 1:8 God was telling the Isrealites to meditate on the Law of Moses and not the Bible as Pastor Chris Oyakhilome claims. Take note

So is this also refering to the law of Moses:

[i]1 Tim 4:13-16
13 Till I come, give attention to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. 14 Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given to you by prophecy with the laying on of the hands of the eldership. 15 Meditate on these things ; give yourself entirely to them, that your progress may be evident to all.
NKJV

Phil 4:8-9
Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy — meditate on these things.
NKJV

Can you now see why we say you are confused? And the problem with you unbelievers is that instead of simply crying out for help you employ tactics to get christians to show you the wisdom of God. It is the same tactics your friend KunleOshob employs. Your post should have read: Somebody help! I have no understanding of the gospel of Jeusus and the teachings of his apostles. . .Help!!

As christians, we are called to worship God in Spirit and in truth and as such, every tune, song or dance must be inspired and sanctified of the Holy Ghost to be acceptable to God as worship.

I am not by this saying that there is a recommended spiritual dance or music, or that some dance steps are evil. What I am advocating is that the Holy Ghost be allowed to lead the worship in our churches. It may be a slow dance or fast one. It may require some lifting up of hands or clapping, some jumping or even some difficult or 'crazy' steps. In all, let the Spirit lead.

As for the yahoozee thing, i know that if it were to be in the Christ Embassy churches where i hv worshipped, the keyboardist would have been stopped the moment he raised that tune.

1 Cor 13:9-10

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part;

10 but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away.
ASV

We speak what is revealed to us by the Holy Spirit and not what we feel or what we are commanded by nairalanders to speak. We prophesy in part but when that which is perfect comes, the inadequate shall be done away with. When we see our Lord appear in the sky, glorified at the rapture, we shall be like him. Then shall we have perfect knowledge of all things. Be careful what you say so as not to provoke God's wrath.

Hmm. . .some good news for a change. Realy ineteresting, esp. for some of us who have bn around N'land since 2005. CONGRATS Seun!

Well, just a little on my encounter with the 'pastor'.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-135166.0.html

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-135166.32.html

My Conclusion: He does not know the Lord or the truth for that matter.

KunleOshob:
You are really very daft if you had read through my thread on being "born again" you would realize that the question is a rhetoric question meant to encourage christians to have a deeper understanding of what it means to be born again. . .If you had any brains at all and you are capable of learning you should have picked a thing or two from the thread even if you cannot fully comprehend it[ i know that you have been thoroughly brainwashed in that cult you attend].

Now you are even more confused. . . So where did you get your salvation? From pastor AIO's post?

Salvation is not about 'brains' or 'rhetoric questions'. . . it is of the heart. . .to those who have been called, chosen and appointed from the foundation of the world by God Himself, to hear and recieve the message (bearing in mind that some have been set aside as vessels unto destruction).

No true christian after seeing your posts will go into spiritual talk with you. . . You do not have what it takes. You are in dire need of salvation my friend. That first! No amount of bible quoting or scripture twisting can replace that fact.

True conversion is the result of the intercessory prayers of the saints. Otherwise, all our works are empty and will not count in heaven.

When we pray and interceed for the lost, people come to know the Lord in Spirit and in truth. Salvation is the result of the Power of the Holy ghost moving over man's soul, bringing him into acceptance of the Lordship of Jesus over his/ her life andgiving him a new heart/ spirit. It is not by arguement so stop trying to think of the best tacktics to use to qualify yourself as saved. . .You do not argue your way into the kingdom. You are brought in by the power of the Holy Ghost.

The blind leading the blind. , both shall fall into the pit.

Pls correct me if I'm wrong. . .

are you not the same lost fellow here?
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-328622.96.html

You don't know your left from right and you are already into detecting false prophets?

To 'deliver you up to Satan' as seen in 1cor 5:5 is like telling my dog that he is grounded for staying up late to watch TV becasue that scripture addresses one who has at least tasted salvation.

The following sciptures will be more suitable to address your situation:


2 Thess 1:6 KJV

Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

Matt 18:6-7 NKJV

"Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck , and he were drowned in the depth of the sea.  7 Woe to the world because of offenses! For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes! 

Luke 20:18 KJV

Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken but on whosoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

What do you know about the last day? All you can boast of is 'head knowledge'.

You 'uncircumcised Philistine'.

The 'DR' you have there is it for real?
I am really concerned cos you seem to be confused and in need of serious help.

which one b dis?

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CHRIST EMBASSY: ANATOMY OF SMEAR CAMPAIGN

BY: SAINT AZUH

Ordinarily, stories and personal attacks against the activities of Christ Embassy Church in South Africa, Pastor Chris Oyakhilome, his family members and everybody that has anything to do with the church would have been ignored or taken as the usual journalistic prying but for the well-established concern that such reports have become episodic and now very irritating.

How else would anybody describe the use of words and language in stories that concern Pastor Chris and Christ Embassy Church by just one news website- Huhuonline, if not to say that it makes a mockery of the very rudiments of journalism?

It is very curious that within a very short span of time Huhu and its print collaborator, the National Mirror Newspapers have ran over ten stories on one person and the organization he represents. Haba!

As a journalist and media analyst vast on reportage- investigative, development and even mischief, it is very surprising that a media outfit can run stories every week on one particular individual. The only import of this is that such outfit or some of its reporters/editors are on a clearly agreed smear campaign or vendetta for whatever reasons.

A look at this vexed issued of the reportage of Chris Oyahkilome and Christ Embassy Church by Huhu and Mirror Newspapers would clearly establish the above allegation.

On continuous basis, Huhu had ran over ten reports on one person. Some of the reports: Christ Embassy: Haleluyah or Highway to Hell; South Africans Vow to Sack Christ Embassy; Christ Embassy: Concealed Sex Scandal Exposed Part III and this means that there are parts I and II; Crisis Rocks Christ Embassy South Africa over Scandalous Dealings; South Africa: Christ Embassy’s Night of Bliss Scandal Victims Account.

Others are: South Africans Vow to Sack Christ Embassy… As authorities humiliate Chris Oyakhilome at airport; Red Alert: Chris Oyakhilome‘s Christ Embassy Plc Initial Public Offer of N3bn…,  Employers Beware; Christ Embassy (South Africa): Pastor offered me R10 000 to sit in a wheelchair,  stand up and walk; South African Authorities Close-In On Christ Embassy; .Six members barred from entering South Africa- .Internal feud deepens, as top pastors struggle with moral woes; and Christ Embassy South Africa: Christian & Kenneth Oyakhilome bribery scandal revealed • Tom Amekhiena unleashes assault and battery on a church member • Open challenge to Chris Oyakhilome.

The question is: why this particular interest in Christ Embassy and Pastor Chris? Is Christ Embassy the only church or rather Nigerian church in South Africa? And why is it that a Nigerian took it upon himself to fight for the coalition of South African churches and South African government against his fellow Nigerian from the same south-south region? These are very curious or rather interesting issues?

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It is very unfortunate because those of us that have followed Huhu had a very different believe of what Emmanuel Asiwe, the publisher represents and that may have been why some of us joined in the campaign for his immediate release when he was recently arrested by security agents in Nigeria for alleged wrong reporting, misinformation, blackmail, and felony against the government.

Interestingly, any experienced reporter would agree that the entire library of stories on Christ Embassy South Africa by Huhu were just rolled out from two story lines. And for whatever reason, Huhu decided to always re-write and re-run the stories with even a spec of new rumour in Soweto main market as an update.

Although this is an aside, those of us that joined the campaign for your release from detention were meant to believe that you are operating from one of the western countries. And now we are confused. Is Huhu/Emmanuel Asiwe based in South Africa or in Europe/America?

Huhu should be more interested in improving the quality of both its reports and the website rather than embarking on flimsy campaign of calumny to pull down another young Nigeria in his calling. Without bias, Huhu should look at other offshore news websites including Saharareporters, Pointblanknews, Thetimesofnigeria, Gamji, Ngex amongst others and see how it can line up with their mindsets.

Nigerians especially those of us at home are really proud of the offshore web-based news media outfits as they have been at the forefront of canvassing issues of national concern and challenging the nation’s leaders to accountability rather market women’s busy-body journalism.

Another interesting aspect of the smear campaign against Christ Embassy Church is the now clearly established relationship between Huhu website and National Mirror Newspapers. Is Asiwe a staff or on the payroll of National Mirror Newspaper? And if not, why is it that the newspaper runs all the Huhu Christ Embassy South African stories verbatim on its cover?

Even when all the national newspapers published in this country on April 26, 2009 had on their covers stories and issues on the Ekiti re-run election of Saturday April 25, Mirror, a newspaper, had as its lead story on the cover: “Christ Embassy in Crisis” , a story of an alleged event that happened in September 2007 according to the newspaper.

This should concern any practicing and credible journalist as it borders heavily on the sense of judgment of what is news by the editors of Mirror. How can any editor lift a stale story wholesale from a website and slam it on the front page as lead?

Initially, the smear campaign by National Mirror newspaper was interpreted as a personal vendetta by its former publisher, Emeka Obasi. Now, the ownership has changed but the smear has continued and it couldn’t have been on the instruction or support of the new owner- Jimoh Ibrahim.

National Mirror should help Nigerians see it as a newspaper with credibility,  Sometime ago, offensive pornographic pictures were ran on its cover purported to be some wayward female students of the University of Port Harcourt with some expatriates. It was however later confirmed by this writer (an alumnus of Uniport) in the newsroom of the organisation that the pictures were lifted wholesale from a pornographic site on the web and re-captioned.

Needless to say that this kind of journalism cannot help the Mirror and its editors especially now that the newspaper is trying to re-brand under its new owner- Jimoh Ibrahim who is “well known” in this country and beyond. A word is enough for a wise.  We all know the right thing. Let’s do it.

All such efforts will end in failure until Christ takes up His abode in you.

Phil 2:13- For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure.

@KunleOshob
Why did you pretend as if you did not see this post on pg. 2? You scream of false prophets and false bretheren yet you know nothing about the scriptures or the Christ of the scriptures; merely dancing to the tune of satan your father.

Your quote:
The bible makes it clear that one must be born again to see the kingdom of God and naturally since it is the ultimate goal of christians to be admitted into the kingdom of God


where did you find that in the bible?

this scripture as gained a lot of of popularity in the church, but the question is this: Is the term born again being properly interpreted in our churches?? Apart from the scripture in John 3 where Jesus spoke about being born again which he states belief in him[John 3:16] is a prerequisite for being born again, what most people fail to realise is that Jesus was referring to belief in his teachings and not just belief in him as a person.

Can you possibly believe in him as a person and not accept his teachings?

My dear, those teachings are more than mere words, they are Spirit and have life in them, they are living and active. They enter the soul and convert the man. They give eternal life(ZOE).


i]The question one now asks is what were Jesus core teachings? The central theme of Jesus teachings is love, love for God and love for fellow men. He also went on to teach that you can only love God whom you can't see if you love your fellow men whom you can see. The only other place in the bible were "born again" was mentioned is in first book of peter where peter who was with Jesus when he taught the subject expantiated on it and what did peter have to say in relation to the subject? The verse below says it all:
1 Peter 1:22-23:
22 You were cleansed from your sins when you obeyed the truth, so now you must show sincere love to each other as brothers and sisters. Love each other deeply with all your heart. 23 For you have been born again, but not to a life that will quickly end. Your new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God. clearly having love for others is a condition precedent to being born again as Jesus always taught

That is not true. That is not what you read. Or are you reading your bible upside down? There are some things you will never see or understand until the Holy Spirit opens your eyes. My advice is that you stick to Mathew Mark Luke and John in your discussions. . . enjoy the bible stories there and those of the OT but pls dont cross over to the NT (epistles), you'll only get more confused cos these require the Spirit's illumination which clearly, u lack.

sadly this fruit is glaringly misthasing in most of our christian folk who claim to be born again.

I guess you have it in abundance  That is why you gang up with atheists to attack the church and the message at the slightest opportunity

The question i now put forward is this are they truly born again? Most people assume a show/pretence of Godliness and being religious = being born again. How sadly faulty this delusion is

Inasmuch as that is delusion, you too are confused because you neither know the scriptures nor the Lord of the Scrptures; therfore marvel not that i say unto you: YOU MUST BE BORN-AGAIN! Salvation is real. It is not theory, but a vital experience!


_{. . . and pls dont come up here throwing insults cos u really do need help. Ask and i'll show you from the scriptures what you do not know. God bless}

Your quote:
The bible makes it clear that one must be born again to see the kingdom of God and naturally since it is the ultimate goal of christians to be admitted into the kingdom of God

where did you find that in the bible?

this scripture as gained a lot of of popularity in the church, but the question is this: Is the term born again being properly interpreted in our churches?? Apart from the scripture in John 3 where Jesus spoke about being born again which he states belief in him[John 3:16] is a prerequisite for being born again, what most people fail to realise is that Jesus was referring to belief in his teachings and not just belief in him as a person./i]


Can you possibly believe in him as a person and not accept his teachings?

My dear, those teachings are more than mere words, they are Spirit and have life in them, they are living and active. They enter the soul and convert the man. They give eternal life(ZOE).

i]The question one now asks is what were Jesus core teachings? The central theme of Jesus teachings is love, love for God and love for fellow men. He also went on to teach that you can only love God whom you can't see if you love your fellow men whom you can see. The only other place in the bible were "born again" was mentioned is in first book of peter where peter who was with Jesus when he taught the subject expantiated on it and what did peter have to say in relation to the subject? The verse below says it all:
1 Peter 1:22-23:
22 You were cleansed from your sins when you obeyed the truth, so now you must show sincere love to each other as brothers and sisters. Love each other deeply with all your heart. 23 For you have been born again, but not to a life that will quickly end. Your new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God. clearly having love for others is a condition precedent to being born again as Jesus always taught

That is not true. That is not what you read. Or are you reading your bible upside down? There are some things you will never see or understand until the Holy Spirit opens your eyes.

sadly this fruit is glaringly misthasing in most of our christian folk who claim to be born again.

I guess you have it in abundance That is why you gang up with atheists to attack the church and the message at the slightest opportunity

The question i now put forward is this are they truly born again? Most people assume a show/pretence of Godliness and being religious = being born again. How sadly faulty this delusion is

Inasmuch as that is delusion, you too are confused because you neither know the scriptures nor the Lord of the Scrptures; therfore marvel not that i say unto you: YOU MUST BE BORN-AGAIN! Salvation is real. It is not theory, but a vital experience!

_{. . . and pls dont come up here throwing insults cos u really do need help. Ask and i'll show you from the scriptures what you do not know. God bless}

@Image 123

I understand what you are trying to communicate but in Isaiah 42&48, he is clearly refering to a backslidden people whom he seeks to restore. He made mention of graven images (idols). With these he will not share his glory.

Besides, we are not of that generation. We are a special breed. We are not the redeemed. We are the fruits of redemption. We are partakers of his divine nature. A chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation.

Let's assume he let you, can you in actual fact take or his glory from him? He is God almighty, the father of Spirits . . . u knw wat am saing? He loves us , so much so that he gave his only begotten son as a sacrifice to make us his own.

He has made you a king, dont belittle yourself. Rather praise him and thank him for what he has done. Share the gospel in the power of the Holy Spirit for by so doing you are manifesting forth His glory, the glory that you have on the inside of you!

@Babaearly
You are confused.

Keep dreaming, before you know it, rapture has taken place.

I am not surprised. What mind of Christ are you talking about? I just wanted to clarify that you are still the same indisciplined 'christian' i have known you to

be. How will you not run your mouth without control. Every Spirit filled christian can now beware of you.

You are too proud to belong anywhere, you know too much for God to teach you or use you for anything. A professor of theology is not necessarily a christain

mind you.

Who gave you the audacity to speak about the qualifications of a bishop. Bishop over who? How can someone who is not subject to authority speak correctly

about the same?

I have known you on nairaland for years. . . you're still far from understanding spiritual authority, let alone excercise it.

You are totally out of control. Or is it the Spirit that asked you to swallow the whole story, hook line and sinker? Do not think of yourself more highly

than you aught to my friend for as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

@davidylan
What church do you belong to?
Who is your pastor?
What do you do in God's kingdom?

The mere fact that we have these comments up here for discussion is proof +ve that the Pastor is backslidden.

Otherwise, why will a minister not fear that same Spirit by which he was called into ministry and begin to speak in public in this manner against God's servant?

Or are there any allegations of occultic initiation or satanic worship. If it was the Lord's service, and you are led by the Spirit(not circumstances) to leave then do so

in the Same Spirit of holiness and sin not!

I have my reasons for not answering ur questions: Davidylan n Noetic. I admire your knowledge of the written logos which you show on some threads but some things are better spiritually discerned.

The pastor has not totally surrendered to the call to ministry. He loves this present world so much that he is willing to give up even his salvation for it.  That is

what i deduced.

According to the scriptures he is not fit for the kingdom, let alone to minister as God's servant.

TB Josuah probably had plans to put him through some much needed training on faith, perseverence and self denial which he failed again and again.

No wonder others like Agomo could rise after him to pastor the same church in Ghana.

So you think because you now have a child you are approved of God?