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Maestro21:
If peter did not know the voice of God he would have woken up from his trance and said that satan tried to feed him unclean things. That is the danger of teaching your experiences over God's word. Satan has no original ideas, if he could give people food through their dreams, he would be copying God because that is all Satan tries to do -copy and then pervert God's message.

Question: If god can feed his children through dreams and satan does too how can we tell who is who? That is the danger with these heresies. There is nowhere in scripture where Satan fed anyone. I would rather take the testimony of the word.

God did not feed Peter in his dream. Peter wasn't even sleeping. He was in trance on the roof top.

And details of how demonic witchcraft spirit operate are not given in the Bible

seunmsg:
Almost all political parties in Nigeria lacks internal democracy and that is why most of them are perpetually in crisis. If your constitution says elected party officials should serve for 4 years, why come up with various useless excuses to extend their tenure? If they've done very well to the admiration of party members, let them contest again at the parry convention instead of controversially extending their tenures through fiat. The APC NWC will now have to contend with court cases and problem of illegitimacy for the next one year.

I couldn't have said it better.

There really is no good excuse why new members cannot be elected. All the reasons givens are really not tenable.

It's just a strategy for the President to keep some particular set of people in control of part affairs till the 2019 election cones. To go straight to the point, it's a strategy to outwit the Tinubu faction of APC.

Like you said, the currently serving elected members have the overwhelming support of party members, do a quick convention and election

Isn't that the basket that he's holding? Can an adult fit into that basket?

donnie:
Spiritual oppositions cease to exist?? Where did you get that from?

Anyways, one thing for sure, we will not use squad missiles to kill mosquitoes.

You probably think spiritual warfare is all about casting out devils...

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


You probably read the above scripture and use it to support your claim. But read verses 13-18. You'll see that the arumour is all about the Word. And then it mentions praying in the Spirit.

See what real spiritual warfare is:

2 Corinthians 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Strongholds there are the negative thought patterns, mindsets and philosophies. Any truly spiritual person knows that that's wehere the greater battles are fought...THE BATTLE OF THE MIND. Not with devils!

They're already defeated. They may throw thoughts and stir up situations against you but they're defeated nonetheless. You deal with devils from the standpoint of a Victor. Not that you're trying to engage them in a battle.

The wrestling there in Eph 6:12 is actually fighting to stay on course in God's Word. Not fighting to defeat devils. Satan schemes against the Christian, throwing firery darts(Eph 6:16), lies, tricks, wrong thoughts on his way but the Christian must stay on course..standing on the Word...not on anointing oil or so-called deliverance prayer.

Prayer is for fellowship, communion with the Spirit, for worship, intercession etc. Then we are fortified and Satan has no place.

Casting out devils should be the ccommon practice of every Christian.

Then you went lower than i thought you guys could ever go...mentioning his marriage and pastor Anita. Shame on you.


Jesus' greatest battle on earth was not with devils, it was with himself...whether or not to obey God. Remember His prayer and agony in the garden?

Thank God you quoted the below scriptures :


"Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

You talk about about BATTLE OF THE MIND being the greatest bayyle. Please, do tell, where do these battle of the mind come from, after all the Lord have is us sound mind. What is the source.

Those battle in the mind, their source is evil projections from rulers of darkness, powers and principalities in high places.

The Bible has stated what spiritual warfare is clearly, but you have managed to twist it around says it's mainly about battles with ourselves and our mind.


Its theses evil powers that interfere with our minds.

donnie:
You don't know Christ Embassy...in fact, you're a learner when it comes to the Spirit.

[url=https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DzwKN6l8Rxlw&ved=0ahUKEwin4pCQ4c7ZAhUB2KQKHVmJCnwQwqsBCCkwAQ&usg=AOvVaw1c_s1lefiBMgze_iYFqD8b]WATCH LIVE DEVIL BEING CAST OUT[/url]

You just make me laugh. I'm sorry to say this, one of the traits of a lots of youths in Christ embassy is, they exhibit signs of someone that has been brainwashed.

donnie:
And your problem is that you try to make it a "Christ Embassy doctrine", thereby trying hard to water down the truth of God's Word by your experiences and traditions. But you have failed.

Matthew 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Titus 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Yes, it is Christ Embassy doctrine

What are we even saying, Christ Embassy teaches that once you are born again, that you can be demon possessed, you can't be demon oppressed or be under oppression of witchcraft powers. That all those are part of the old things that have died. All you need do is confess the word and live a victorious Christian life of prosperity. Whereas the Bible was talking about the old nature of the sinful man.

C.E sauocannot be tied down, cannot be stopped, you're too much for the devil etc. Even to someone that got born again yesterday.

That is why 90‰, of C.E messages is focused on prosperity, either directly or indirectly.

Now not even has spiritual battles. Ko se gbogbo eniyan lo ni Ogun.

Everyone has challenges, but not everyone has spiritual battles. Some are lucky to be born free of such. If you're such a person, Christ Embassy may work just fine you.

But if you were born with spiritual battles, by reason of household and lineage (it comes through blood), if you think by associating yourself with a church full of beautiful successful people, you too would become rich and successful, you're only deceiving yourself. You need to pray, come against those powers and delivered by the power of Christ from their grasp.

shadeyinka:
You seem only to have a point with your first point.. Perhaps Peter wasn't yet born again.
Unfortunately what you have just concluded a number of things
1. The Presence of Jesus with the disciples didn't stop them from being demonized(eh Peter, Judas)
2. If Jesus is one with the Holy Spirit, how come Satan was able to "take" Jesus to the Tip of the Temple etc.. Of course Jesus overcame Satan by not giving in to Satan but the will of God through His words.

This brings number of issues
a. Did Jesus overcome Satan because He had the Holy Spirit or because he didn't yield to satans will?
b. In what way was Peter different (apart from the fact that he yielded to satans promptings)?
c. Of course Peter was not "possessed with Satan but he was only demonized

In other words, Peter was demonized not because he wasn't born again except of course if your final conclusion is the a christian (born again, tongue talking) cannot fall into temptation and thus commit a transgression.

Your second point is also non effectual!
First,
Jesus gave His disciples Power power over all kinds of demons and sickness. That episode where they couldn't cast out demons from a boy wasnt their first time. Intact, they were surprised that they couldn't cast it out.

Yes, Jesus did not pray, neither did he fast that means that the lesson Jesus was teaching was not about a "Fire-Brigade" approach.

Jesus was teaching about a "Life soaked in the Presence of God" through Communion (prayer) and[b] Devotion[/b](fasting).

Don't forget that the Disciples used to cast out by the word. Remember they came back reported ng to Jesus that "even demons were subject to us... "

Thanks for giving this guys some right scripture applications.

The problem is that, Christ Embassy has a doctrine that teaches that, once you become born again, the former person that was suffering from demonic afflictions, that has spiritual battles, some that that be backed by strong covenants due to background (e.g a family that the caretaker of a powerful masquerade or evil the person himself has done), that the person is dead, and alive is a new recreated person.

That's taking the figurative expression of the scriptures to far. Those portions, the Bible is talking about being dead to sin, and becoming new man because of a renewed mind. And that renewed mind doesn't come instantly. The mind becomes renewed by the word of God. Until it becomes totally renewed.


""Yes, Jesus did not pray, neither did he fast that means that the lesson Jesus was teaching was not about a "Fire-Brigade" approach"""

Then about this portion, please, let it be known that Jesus was always fasting and praying. It was the disciples that didn't fast.

There was a time that the disciples of John the Baptist came to meet Jesus and asked: we are always fasting and praying, but your disciples eat all the time, they don't even stress themselves with prayer too much.

And Jesus answered them; he said : Can bride fast as long as the bridegroom is with them? He said a time will come, the bridegroom will be taken away from them, at that time, they will fast and they will pray.


That tells one that, the disciples were getting special privileges because of the physical presence of God (Jesus) with them on earth. He gave them power and authority to go out and cast Demons out and heal the sick. And yet, there were instances that wasn't even enough, and Jesus told them, old boy, it's not like that, spirit things get levels o. This one you have encountered will not come expect by fasting and prayer.

During Jesus earthly ministry, he was always fasting and praying. He started his ministry with 40 days dry fasting. But his disciples were not.

After Jesus died, you can be sure that the disciples, that they pray plenteous prayers and plenteous fasting. The evidence is the Acts of Apostles.


Christ Embassy makes even baby Christians feel like spiritual giants. That the bibles gave promises that Christians will exploits in his name, command demons in his name, drink poison and and will not have effect, doesn't that there isn't work attached to it. There is work attached to it and it's not automatic.

In places like America and UK, idolatry has become obsolete for a very long time and therefore you hardly find household (black) witchcraft. Witchcraft, operations of marine directly in human lifes is prevalent in Africa because of Idolatry. All these things comes in through idolatry. You don't have to be the one in direct contact with the idols.

So I repeat, if is being fed with food in the dream, or finds himself always eating in the dream, you'll see that many things will be going wrong in your life. It could marriage delay, stagnant, sickness, barrenness, failures at Edge of success, prayerless. To wake up pray at night will become like so difficult. It goes on like that.

You don't make positive confessions like the food u eat wil work for your good. You come against that demonic operation of darkness in prayer and fasting and ask God to scatter and destroy it. And when it stops, you know you're it's over.

Eating in the dream, sex in the dream, urinating in the dream, finding yourselves in old places like primary schools, or being chased or being in the midst of dogs or cows, seeing yourself walking naked without clothes, your hair been shaved etc. All these things are witchcraft science, operations used to destroy lives and destinies.

Davidoya:
Great piece by pastor Chris..its surprising that most of the things christians believe these days are not even supported by the bible.. no one has been able to quote a clear cut scripture to counter his claim yet some people believe otherwise and so strongly..some are even arguing over trance and dream and that's the problem with African Christianity.

.our beliefs are founded more on what our fore fathers believed and passed down to us , which we also carried into our christianity and that's why we are so religious yet not making much progress..

the bible said let the poor say I am rich and let the weak say i am strong.. that's exactly the opposite of your reality.. it also said there is no enchantment against Jacob and no divination against isreal.. yet some keep believing as true christians they can be bewitched when it's clear that the anointing on you breaks every yoke and you shall eat any deadly thing and it shall not hurt you..it says again that u are seated together with christ in heavenly places far above principalities and powers...its either you believe these words or you believe what you think in your head and the lies that Satan presents to you..

if u are really born again and not playing church , when you have such dreams like eating, he said wake up and prophesy that it's for your good and stop entertaining the fear.He is talking to believers here and not unbelievers...

fear is the opposite of faith and faith is the shield or armour that we use in quenching the fiery darts of the enemy.. rather than entertaining fear that allows the enemy to penetrate u , exercise faith by prophesing your victory in christ if the dream is unclear to you..its that simple and I see nothing wrong with this teaching..

exercise your faith today and grow as a believer.. you shall know the truth and the truth shall make u free..

Shalom..

Counter what claim, you mean the scriptures he misinterpreted and misapplied

For one, it's been shown on this very thread that Peter never ate in any dream neither did God feed in the dream.

In fact it wasn't a dream. It was a trance.

Of course, like a a true Christ embassy member, your brain conveniently ignored all that and you asking people to counter with scriptures.

According to the context of scriptures that Pastor Chris used, they are misapplied and not relevant to this topic

Eating in the dream is weapon of darkness, used by household witchcraft to sow many evil things in the lives of people, even Christians.

It's used to weaken your spirit man and open u up for future witchcraft manipulation.

It's is used to sow or shoot arrows of a pattern of failure at Edge of success in human endeavours. It's what Yorubas call Amubo.

It's used to afflict people with sickness and diseases.

It's for spiritual contamination.

I repeat, it's not normal to be eating in the dream. Like 95% of the time, it's spiritual attack and it's for evil.

No one is saying Christians should be fearful after having such a dream. You pray against it in the name of Jesus until it stops.

You start confessing it would work out for your good.

No everyone will have these problems because not everyone has spiritual battles.

Real spiritual battles is not something that comes into your life after you are matured. People are born with this battles (Ogun). But it's when u reach age of maturity, of trying to find your way in life that you start noticing something is wrong. These things enter into people lives by things people that know when they are little have done. Through all sorts of evils of the past.

Christ embassy believe once u become born again, all those things are in the past, you are new person.


Another misinterpretation of scriptures. When Bible says you are old man is dead, that all things become new. It's talking about the renewal of mind. You live a new kind of life.

Enough said.


Please you continue to live in your willful ignorance. Your paradise of bliss.

donnie:
Oga maturity... That's not what that statement meant. Pastor Chris has fruits that we can see around the world... Men and women who are touching lives around the world. His apostleship is not in question

That cant be said of Mr Anonymous ITK.

Okay accepted.

As it is true that the heavens are above the earth, on this subject, Pastor Chris interpretation of the scriptures and counselling is 100% wrong.

Intrepid01:
My God who dwelleth in Zion will bless you richly for this comment. I feel terrible reading that position of Pastor Chris, it is so flawed and incorrect. But I feel worse for some gullible people here who would be misled by this wrong teaching. ...

Bros, I have experience in eating in the dream, I know what it is and the effect in the life of a human being.

The Pastor did not even note that Peter was hungry before falling in to trance. The demonic eating in the dream we are talking about has got nothing to do with whether you ate before sleeping or not. If you like eat till you drop asleep.

Truly, My people perish for lack of knowledge.....I know when the coast is clear by God's grace I'll document my 10 years experience of eating in the dream, maybe it would help someone one day....

That Pastor needs serious training in the things of the spirit. His answer was so ordinary with no spiritual knowledge. .....'ll stop here

God bless u brother

However, know this, Pastor Chris and his Pastors know the truth. They know it. But they don't want to be bothered with things such as praying for Christian that are under demonic and witchcraft afflictions because it's a lot of work. The work can only be done through constant fasting and praying. And Christ Embassy Pastors don't like that at all at all. They just wanna swagger and sweet talk, look smooth and suave in their designer suits.

yomifowe:
Well said bro. Since you seem to know so much, casting aspersions on the teaching of a respected man of God, who has impacted the lives of millions all around the world, who are you? How come I have never heard about you? Pschh (Hissing in my native language).

So because he's not popular, that means he's an empty Barrell.

And Pastor Chris is 100% right because he's up there on TV

So slave mentality. I feel sorry for all this Christ embassy youths. They are nothing but baby Christians.

Blue tooth speaker for 95k
I don't understand. Na so the Bluetooth speaker expensive

edgeP:
Sir, Pastor Chris has quoted/sited relevant potions of the BIBLE to butress his point, I wil also like you to support your submission with biblical pasdsage/s, have a blessed day Sir.

His quotation of scriptures are misapplied.

This teaching is completely wrong.

There is no reason why you should sleep and start eating in the dream. Foods are meant to eaten in real life not in the dream. If you're constantly being fed with food in your dreams at night, it's a very bad thing.

I cannot believe an African pastor, a man of God will say this.

One thing is sure, if you someone that has spiritual battles to fight in your life, Christ Embassy is not the place for you.

The Pastors pretends like things like witches, curses and spells that makes people lives miserable lives don't exist because they don't want to be bothered by Christians with such problems. That way they only deal with Christians whose lives are free from spiritual battles.

What was the essence of Maje releasing such a picture on social media. It was insensitive of him.

He should know such a pics is bound to raise all sorts quite questions.

honestivo:
Christ embassy doing what they know how to do best (soul winning)

That should win their own souls first

I feel your pain my brother
I tire for the matter too
The government seem to be unconcerned about the issue. I really tire

It is really stupid to say the present oder of having all the elections in one day has ni bandwagon effect. The bandwagon effect is so glaring even a blind man can see.

The bill to reorder the sequence of elections by the Senate is in order and the bandwagon effect and this the article posted by the Op is hogwash.

Just for clarification, Daddy Freeze qualms was about her marrying a man from a. Muslim family..... Not that the guy is Muslim.

Care nothing about daddy freeze, just thought guys should understand the difference

Senseless news

Rubbish bloggers

Nairaland is now a dumping ground

Its so sad, Nairaland has so much potential that is being wasted.

OtemAtum:
First of all, I haven't denied spiritual powers, rather, I have denied the use of spiritual powers extensively in our physical world. What I am saying is that spiritual powers are used in the spiritual worlds, not here. Over here, we manifest physical and psychological powers which give the the ignorant people the illusions of spiritual powers.

Now back to what I saw in the video, pls OP, tell me, if you are sleeping and somebody is jumping over you, will you not have the feeling that someone is actually around you? For crying out loud, how will someone be jumping over my body in sleep and I won't wake up when I am not dead? Even ordinary sound of crawling cockroach sef I am awake not to talk of the stamping of legs very close to me. Am I dead that I won't hear the sound and wake up?

As for the scream made by the child after waking up, it is natural. She shed tears to sleep, awoke and saw the bad man who kidnapped her, so she screamed out loud.

Anything needing more clarification?

You speculating and talking about what you don't know.

Spiritual powers are of no use to human beings in the spirit realm. In the spiritual realm, they can't even be called spiritual powers because it's normal to the realm.

Spiritual powers are effective in the physical realm because it can achieve things which are against the law of nature. And that's why they are called spiritual powers. Because they can do things which is beyond the normal physical abilities

Reno didn't use any fish illustration. The Op did that.

Don't know why people have so much bloody liars

Is this guy for real?

Who's the girl? She looks familiar. Can I meet her?

Alejoas:
The world has entered the church........the church has entered the world....


I didn't propose nothing to my lady.... I told her I don't date for fun....in this for something serious so if we can convince each other forever together will be a good thing.... We just gonna do it!


Hell no to any pre-wedding picture or on one kneel proposal..... I am real like everyday rising sun.... No need to copy copy!

You should be banned for pretending to be female

Bloggers and their lies

sinola:
ubi my brother,leave ego aside,make extra effort to bring back your lovely wife,lilian and family.She doesn't deserve this ill treatment.God has blessed you beyond human imagination.....leave this afonja Olosho,she will destroy what you have painstakingly built together.It is in their DNA.

Which extra effort he wan make again. E go kill himself because of one woman? The Lillian is adamant that she no do again. So hin no go continue living his life again?

tuniski:
You are empty like buhari. Shior.

He has a very good point. Why is he advising national cohesion when what we need is decentralisation.

He just spoilt the beautiful testimony was spoilt by "the God of my father Chris Okafor was with us"

Wonder what the hell that's suppose to mean.?can't he just give the glory to God without giving some of it to Chris Okafor?

mafolayomi:
Oga, stop dragging issues with this guy jere, guess he isn't married or having issues with his older bros wife. Leave him, he is going to end up miserable, cos his so call siblings will eventually marry and carry on with their famliy, and he won't have any to call his own.

You people be talking rubbish. I know girls love this kind of talk. The wife is important. However the value of the wife shouldn't the disturb the value of the brother. Because you're important doesn't mean you can talk to your husbands brother anyhow and disgrace him publicly over a ticket Kanu gave him.

Its nonsense. She was completely wrong.

Spewing stupid illogical nonsense from his mouth.

He should have just kept his mouth shut.