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Seun the owner of nairaland has spent two years and 7 months collectively on nairaland, it's understandable he is the owner of the site.

I've spent one month and 25 days on nairaland since I joined in April 2020 which I consider too much, how could I have spent a whopping one month and 25 days of my life only on nairaland?

Someone like helinues has spent one year of his life on nairaland since he joined in 2014, a whole one year of his life accountable to only nairaland. Which means that every year he spends one month and some days alone on nairaland.

What about you?

modernWays:
You are still saying the same thing over and over again. The question is, what is average cost of obtaining the kind of quality medical training in Gambia that Nigeria doctors received here in Nigeria that made Gambian government to offer such pays? What is the comparative cost of living and earning in Gambia? They are not fools, they know what they are paying for. Besides, if such skill/experience is that cheap to obtain, they would've prefer to train their citizens and pay less(if what they are paying is so far above cost of living).

As regards to "our collective money" you keeps repeating", let me break it down in a lay man understanding, for instance, if government were to subsidise education of each student with 50k, the cost of doing the same for medical students would be 500k each. Government can easily gives the 50k as it was givien to others and allow you to fund your education but they cant, because they knew that 98% of the applicants would not be able to afford it, which may eventually affect quantity of doctors needed in our hospitals. As for the employment opportunities and wages, Nigeria produced too much Doctors on the average, due to the fact that the cost of training are relatively peanut compared to their counterparts abroad. Nigeria too can comfortably pay her consultant $4000 if you are paying the value of your training fees and the masses are also paying the value of health care services. Alot of Nigerians are quick to condemn government but fail to realise that we too have alot to do to fix the system. If you can't appreciate a system that trained you for a peanut because you feel it is our collective money, you don't have moral right to blame our corrupt leaders who might also feel the same and loot (because they spent too to acquire the positions).

Let me cut it short and ask you few questions;

1. If I may ask, why do you think government subsidise medical students training cost with 500k, while others are only entitle to 50k?

2. Why should doctors be paying in dollars, while we spend Naira in Nigeria. Can they spend the naira where they were paying in Dollars?

3. If medical training can be easily funded by everyone in the said developed countries, why do they still need poor trained ones from developing countries?

Note: I am not trying to defend our corrupt leaders, all of us know they are not doing well, my point is that, where is humanity when we keep chasing money. Besides, doctors are not doing badly in Nigeria, it is greed and hunger to live large that made alot of them abandoned their jobs in Nigeria.

It is obvious you know so little about the health care environment and what is obtainable in Nigerian healthcare space.
What doctors and other healthcare professionals in Nigeria earn is one of the worst globally irrespective of how the degree was s obtained or education subsidy, this is the crux of the matter, the take home does not match the current inflation rate. Unless your argument is that subsidy justifies the poor renumeration and if that is the case, I have nothing else to say to you because this is a pure case of cheap blackmail and entitlement mentality. It is akin to your parents telling you to stay at home and help in the homestead for peanuts because they trained you.

To answer your questions, there is no argument that government subsidises education but I also want to ask you. Does subsidising education mean that meagre salaries should be paid.
UAE, Saudi Arabia and Germany are examples of countries where education is subsidised and yet pay one of the highest wages in the world, so what is your argument?

2. Nobody said doctors should be paid in dollars, it's just a mere conversion for convenience because it is easier to understand or compare dollars. Gambia does not pay in dollars they pay in their local currency, it's just that when it is converted to dollars the equivalence is 4000 dollars. Google the average salary of doctors in Nigeria and compare it with other countries where education is also subsidised and tell me what you got.

Developed nations are not falling on their knees asking Nigerians to come and work in their country, it is Nigerians that are scrambling for these opportunities outside our shores because of poor renumeration and working conditions, get this fact right. As a matter of fact, UK wants to stop recruiting doctors from Nigeria.

Contrary to what you wrote there, you are actually defending mediocrity in the name of subsidised education and doctors are not doing well in Nigeria, they are suffering, there is nothing like greed when asking for better working conditions and better pay. Where is humanity when doctors are poorly remunerated and their take home pay cannot take them home. Ask policy makers about humanity first and not your doctor's
There is nothing like living large. Even abroad there they are not the richest, just that they can now actually afford some basic things, unless affording basic things can now be considered as living large. I don't know what you think doctors are paid, the salary of a consultant is actually ₦900k per month and this is the pinnacle of medicine. 900k as of last year was about 2000 dollars and today it's barley 1000 dollars and you call it doing well. (We talk about dollars because in Nigeria here, the exchange rate affects the prices of almost everything). How much is fuel? How much is foodstuff? School fees for children and even helping extended families are all in this salary and this is only a consultant.
Your position in this matter is like someone training a fowl which at the end of the day must be killed for food.

Benwems:
It’s okay, but lies and propaganda will lead you and anybody nowhere!!!

Whatever boils your corn.
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Benwems:
Stop the lies. Canada doesn’t allow Nigerian trained doctors practice as medical doctors.

I'll leave you to wallow and sink in your ignorance.

modernWays:
It is collective money but not collective good to use the same skill giving to you by the same society to improve or help her? Why don't you compare the cost of training and cost of living of the countries they are running to before you start blaming the government of low pay? The last time I cheack, an average doctor earn more than any civil servant, and they are well above middle class. Patients are dying in numbers everyday in our various hospitals due to lack of skilled or adequate doctors but these heartless greedy few don't see their services as important to the society that subsidise their training? To answer your question, other sectors are not so critical to the society or received the same advantage giving to this sector. Government don't spend that much on them compare to medical departments. If you go to university, you will understand this. Anyone can chose or change profession anytime at will but can't be a medical doctor over the night.

Medical sector is very crucial to the society, you don't compare it to other sectors. That is why It never cheap to acquire this certificate anywhere in the world because they know the value attached to it. If Nigeria are to follow the same ethnic practice as it being done abroad, 98% of these doctors will never be one today. How many of them can afford to pay up to $38k or #34m per year as international student in UK and American universities. Even their nationals pays roughly around $9k or 8m per year. You can see why medical training are highly subsidise by government to enable us to have adequate doctors in our hospitals.

The reality is that, an average black man is too individualistic by nature, he lacks foresight, wicked, egocentric and greedy.

You got it wrong, if the country wants her health care workers to stay let them make working conditions palatable, it is wickedness and appalling that a consultant earns 1000 dollars per month while his counterpart in Gambia earns 4000 dollars, what is slavery again?
Healthcare job is not a charity work, a workman deserves his wages, sometimes government would even reach agreement with healthcare workers and renege on the agreement, hold our irresponsible leader for mismanaging the resources of the country.
People train people so that they can impact positively to the society and also be able to fend for themselves and not to turn them to slaves. You don't appeal to people's consciousness and at the same time make conditions of service so bad that elsewhere becomes more attractive.

I repeat that the money a healthcare workers was trained with is part of what we all own collectively. While you're comparing what it takes to train abroad, try to also compare the wages and employment rate of those countries because even with that high training cost, they still churn out more healthcare workers than us and are also able to poach our own, what do I mean, living conditions and wages are good enough in those countries so that parents can train their children and they have also made students loans available, you can't just mention the amount without mentioning what is obtainable in those climes.

It is not about the average black man because there are black men in those countries you mentioned and they are not leaving their countries to other places. It is our country where there is rudderless government.

jamesversion:
Na free visa and air ticket?

Why not go to the airport with your luggage and board any flight you like.

modernWays:
Will you also advise them to run for medical training in abroad you are much cherished? Some of you people will get trained with less than 1m in our public universities, only to take the same certificate to work in another countries. These selfish beings will never compare the cost of training with another countries, they will only keep crying on the payment as if they are not earn above all civil servants in Nigeria.

If the cost of training is cheaper, the cost of rendering the service must not be expect to be too high. Government considered you to be Nigerians first before they subsidise your training, it only logical for you to be of help or useful to the same country that trained you.

It is high time Government enact a law that will banish Doctors done in public universities from relocating in their first 10 years of service.

Just look at the way you reason.
It was the collective treasury of the nation that was used to train everyone and not anybody's personal money. We are all partakers of whatever resources we find in the nation we were born into, please don't give me that crap.
The money belongs to all of us, so no special favour was done to anyone, that anybody was elected to be in custody of what we collective own doesn't make the person the owner, just a custodian.
Most of the politicians were also trained in Nigerian universities, so going by your reasoning, they should equally be earning peanuts because the country trained them.
We notice that of healthcare because it is a critical sector, what of non health care workers trained in Nigerian universities that have left too?
My parents trained me in university, maybe I should just go and be serving them instead of looking for a way to better my life.

My licensed colleague in Canada earns 10,000 CAD monthly, that translates to 5M plus in Nigerian currency.
If you're a healthcare professional in this country, run for your dear life. It's not worth it. Those employed by government are living in penury while those employed in private sectors earn rubbish and work as slaves.

assholemods:
Psycho you go bring the picture of your friend or colleague's data balance. Please say thank you to the person he just helped you cover your shame!!!....😎😎🤓🤓

If you ask nicely, I will send you some.
Oniranu, Omo ale

assholemods:
Don't you know any other Yoruba outside " Omo ale" ? You have used it several times and it is stale......🤪🤪🤪🤪 Don't forget o...ask your mum if that is your father I am reminding you o...akuna...nor dey born free pikin o...A word is enough for the wise oh I forgot I am dealing with a dumbass.

That's the one that fits you perfectly.
Omo ale.

assholemods:
Psycho you go bring the picture of your friend or colleague's data balance. Please say thank you to the person he just helped you cover your shame!!!....😎😎🤓🤓

Werey, I'm not your fellow broke @ss.
I'm not a tout like you.

assholemods:
Have you asked your mom if that is your real father! Na bastard asewo dey born o....ask your mama o.

Let me not insult your mum, she tried to raise you properly with her meagre resources just that your madness is congenital.
Omo ale

assholemods:
Your data don finish....Oloshi!

Omo ale, see data.
I'm not as a wretched as you are.
I was attending to patients like you, the difference is that you are a psychiatric patient. Werey

assholemods:
Oloriburuku NOT Lori buruku!.....Are you sure your father that you know is your real father? Ask your mom if she is still alive o.... because this your attitude doesn't suggest that of a true born.😛😛

Good of you to spell it right, Omo ale. At least you recognise the fact that you're very unfortunate.

assholemods:
Say all that again homeless boy ..😆🤣😆🤣😆

Keep saving your worthless face with emojis.
Lori buruku omo ale

Gabon is not an ECOWAS member

assholemods:
Lmao 🤣😂🤣😂🤣 I dey enjoy your pains I swear! As he dey pain you he dey sweet up.😆😆😂😂 Na so you go dey rant till you get high blood pressure die troway. Person wey poor pass church rat!😛😛😁😁

You wish, wretched omo ale.
Using laughing emoji to cover up your depression and accursed life.
Get lost in your worthless and meaningless garbage of life.
Garage boy.

assholemods:
Lol..... figurative expression indeed! Hunger kii you there....olori ofo!...Omo Oran!

I can feed you and your generation unborn and even the generation before you. Stvpid ass boy.
Hungry Tinubu supporter, imbecịlic retard with the IQ of a møron.
Owo da boy

assholemods:
Yeye you dey smell!

Rabid mad dog from waste land.

Timoleon:
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The best thing is to understand what works for you particular partner. While not forgetting that you shouldn’t do more than yourself. Many have gone while trying to please a vagina.

Are you a woman?

assholemods:
Lmao 🤣😂🤣😂🤣 the thing pain am!....keep barking like the dog 🐕🐕 that you are!..... Irresponsible poverty stricken useless, gutter raised, slum living MF!
Your pains dey sweet me...eran oko jatijati, obuko olorun...😂🤣😆🤣😆

Taaa, agbero from owo da nation, mosquito bite is more painful than your infantile ranting, you're trying so hard to spit venoms, keep trying maybe you will finally hit a punch line.
Idiat

assholemods:
Someone that says he "survived Buhari" is claiming to have conquered poverty! Oponu!..... lmao 🤣😂😂🤣

Mpama, you don't even understand figurative expression, low life scum.
Waste of space.

assholemods:
Na your mother born me for '"ale" ? Insults like that doesn't move me! Lmao 🤣😂🤣😂🤣 I am living a good life you poverty stricken MF!.....🤣😂🤣😂🤣 Continue barking brother like someone with rabies with your stupidity, idiotic and vile arguments!....😛😛😂😂

Omo jati jati.
You no reach, you're not close to my league, the only place you and I can close ranks is on nairaland and no where else.
You can't dust my shoes, I conquered poverty years ago before your parents even dreamt of having you.
What I am is what you lie in your bed every night fantasizing to be.

assholemods:
Anuofia! Why then is your Hoe B condemning the activities of Boko Haram in the North but says nothing about IPOB in the east? Hypocrites and disillusion set of people. Bloody tribalist, you are mentioning SW as a whole whereas millions of SW supported and voted Obi, some even declared openly for him. But here you are throwing tantrums to SW as a whole!
Well I don't blame you but the some SW that voted for a pretender, the PANDORA THIEF, a regional candidate, a man that wine as and dine with the devils in PDP for years but suddenly turned a saint to hypocrites like you, the man that betrayed APGA, a liar to come and rule Nigeria! Na so you go wail 8 years go pass!
Hoe B is condemned to political dustbin.

Omo ale, I can't wail, I survived Buhari and I will survive the current fraudster.
Yes he hoodwinked the entire SW, a convicted drug baron, certificate forger and a bag man is calling shots in a land that touts itself as the most sophisticated.
HE Peter Obi has consistently said that if anyone has corruption allegations against him, that he's ever ready to defend himself, Ebola Tinubu forfeited drug money which is a fact. Atiku is asking the university he claims to have attended to release his certificate and he's running helter skelter to prevent it from being released, what is he afraid of?
No primary or secondary school records, did he fall from heaven? Tell me who is a pretender between Obi and Tinubu.
Be here salivating whether Obi condemned IPOB or not while your life is being ruined by a man bereft of ideas, the man that stole Lagos State dry without bequeathing anything tangible in the state apart from his kleptomaniac legacy.
A thief is the Nigerian president and I'm ashamed.

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God will punish all of you for the atrocities IPOB is committing in South East. Look at the way Simon Ekpa and his idiotic terrorists have turned our peaceful South East to a war zone.
An idiot in Finland has succeeded in turning all of you zombies, you have all of a sudden become your brother's killers, kin slayers. Anyone that doesn't agree with the IPOB ideology is marked for death.
You guys have used the rubbish sit at home to destroy the economy of South East. Lazy bastards that are using sit at home to perpetuate their laziness, you don't want to work and you want others to sit at home because you are carrying a gun
Amadiọha mapụkwa unu isi, ndị ara, egbe elu igwe gabgbuo unu n'ile.

assholemods:
You are a senseless person! Did Hoe B at any point in time condemned the activities of IPOB? If he did show me! Mumu people!

Ignoramus, your fraudster of a president is the one that is supposed to condemn and fight IPOB not Peter Obi.
You are supporting a morally bankrupt fellow whose life is shrouded in secrecy and you have the audacity to open your mouth and vomit toxins from your coconut head about Peter Obi.
How a convicted drug pusher hoodwinked the whole if SW appalling and goes to a lot to tell about your gullibility and stupidity.

assholemods:
The same hoe B that says IPOB are his brothers, he his living with them.

See argument naa, so if your brother commits a crime he's no no longer your brother, you lack sense.
Same way you can't deny the drug baron and certificate forger in Aso rock.

leanonme82:
These terrorists are living up to their name. The international community and intelligence agencies have already made the connection between obidients and IPOB.
They see the ECB, Reuters, Times magazine denouncing obedients fake news. They see that nation states and Presidents are being attacked rabidly for congratulating the new president. They see the assault on the judiciary. Terrorist behaviour.

And they have shown this with their continuous support of Tinubu.

Now one of the most prestigious radical school of economics in the world is being degraded all over twitter by these terrorists.

All I can say is continue.

Stale, trying to link obidient movement to IPOB as always is lack of intelligence just like the fraud in Aso rock

Hunger dey, tribunal should just help us and remove BAT, let this country breathe.

Throwback:
Even Peter Obi refused to release his University Bachelor's Degree and NYSC Certificate to INEC, yet Igbos want Tinubu to allow Atiku go to USA to collect all his academic and personal records?

Atiku even funny. He demanded that the University must provide him all the certificates they have issued from 1979 till 2023.

That was when the University realised that politicians like Atiku and Obi are jokers who think that America is Africa.

I just shame for Atiku and Obi.

Very desperate politicians who lost despite all the prostitution and ticket hunting.

Atiku is now Igbos seeking Tinubu's credentials.
You guys are so tribalistic that it stinks.
God forbid

Abeg mek terrorists no shoot this one down

Noerection:
you want Tuesday to be declared another sit at home?

Rubbish