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Hathor5:Good points. Now you've made a positive contribution unlike before when you were spoiling for attack. This whole thing simply boils down to communication and I wonder why it's so hard for some men to establish that. I hope @OP is listening. |
Rozz:What I'm asking here is having read mine and Max's exchange on Paul which I just trashed his argument hands down, do you believe Jesus reveals Himself to people or one can only learn from certain teachers? It's not an exam. I'm not asking you for the right answer. I just want to know your own answer. This may give me an idea of what you are and what you're not. |
Janosky:How great is your ignorance. Rozz please come and witness this phenomenal display of JW confusion. Janosky, kindly tell us when the Son(a person) became the Bible(a book). You keep giving me scriptures for my position. Thank you for showing us that Paul himself said in Hebrews 1:1-2 that God spoke not through even humans but through the Son Himself. Also show us where John studied the Bible in Revelation. Was it not Jesus that showed him those things. This is despicable ignorance. Smh. Don't post again until you pass it round for scrutiny from your fellow JWs before they think you're a traitor, LMAO. |
Janosky:You are so unlearned my friend. I'm coming to bring you scriptures to dismantle your whole JW cult. Just be patient. As for John 14:28, 1 Corinthians 3:23, Revelation 3:12, 1Corinthians 15:27, All these are just simply explained in the concept of one Being playing two roles as Creator and Creature(Man) at the same time, my unlearned friend. John 1:18, LMAO. You're giving me scriptures for my point. The Son was in the bosom of the Father and on earth at the same time. Isn't that my point? Can a created being/angel or man be inside the Father's bosom. I hope you can already see that Jesus alone is truly God. Do you see how unreasonable JWs doctrines are? |
Rozz:Has your curiousity been quenched then? Where do you stand now? What's your current position after all this posts, huh? I would like to know the answers to these also. I am here now. It's not too late to learn but I want your answers to my earlier two questions still about who Jesus is to you and also about the other one. If you claim it's because of someone here you don't want to post, send me a mail with answers to all these questions. I also hope you're watching how shallow JWs arguments are because I'm not seeing your follow up comments or questions in all these as someone who is really here to learn? |
TATIME: There are two segments of the scriptures that one must study to have full knowledge of God's word, the OT and the NT! Paul and all those we read about in the Bible had knowledge of the OT so it was the NT that needed to be thoroughly explained to anyone so that they can know how to apply the prophecies about Christ correctly. Paul was educated in accordance with the tenets of the OT so all what he needed is who is the Christ that those prophecies are referring to?For Jesus to have spoken directly with Paul from the sky has given Paul enough evidence that the promised Messiah is Jesus. That's why he said the revelation of Jesus he got directly without anyone teaching him, but there are certain things he must learn from the Apostles because he never worked with Jesus one on one!No Mr., why must you people reject the Bible when it's clearly in front of you. I know why, its so you can continue with your JW lies. Paul truly learnt the OT from the Pharisees under Gamaliel. But what did he do with all that learning?(Philippians 3:5-8 ). He threw it in the bin and had to relearn everything at the feet of Christ. (Philippians 3:7-10). He left behind the other Pharisees whose learning opposed the gospel and became a foremost preacher of the gospel for which they even tried to kill him again and again. Don't you guys read the Bible or you have your own version? He was taught all of gospel he preached to the gentiles by the Lord Himself and learnt nothing from other disciples either. You people should allow the man and stop denying his own words now. Is it by force? Paul didn't go to learn the gospel from any man. Hear from him and stop disregarding the horse's mouth. Gal 1:11-12 KJV But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. Gal 1:17 KJV Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. Even the ordinances of the gospel (communion, gifts of the spirit etc.) that Paul learnt were from the Lord Jesus. Look again and learn, friend. 1Co 11:23-26 KJV 23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. Do you see again that the same thing the apostles learnt from Jesus directly, Paul also learnt from Jesus by revelation and not from the disciples. Accept the simple fact. Jesus teaches men directly by revelation. Any one who is afraid to let you learn directly from God but only wants you to learn from him is leading you to a cult. You JWs don't study the scriptures, you just sit and learn what some elders tell you and none of you are bold enough to question any lie. Cc:omokoginimi |
Maximus69:Don't link me to anyone. I know only myself and can stand alone to defend what I believe. I don't know what "fellow trinitarians" means. The only group I see here is all you JWs against a single fellow, me. I am about to deal a killing blow through the Bible to the lies you have been taught by men without understanding of spiritual things who try conceive of God the Almighty as they would an ordinary man, wondering how he can be in heaven and earth at the same time and play Father and Son at the same time(Jn3:13), LMAO. Wait a little, you and Janosky& friends. |
Janosky:Carnal minded friend who cannot receive things of the spirit. Did I not just show you that Jesus was on earth and heaven at the same time (John 3:13) because He and the Father are one Being (John 10:30, Deut 6:4). Can an angel pull that off. JWs think and come out of your brainwashing o, before it'll be too late to save you. You only need a little study, not even much, to show how flawed your doctrines are. Because of His purpose of making man God, God took human form and became a Creature to show a creaturely way to become as the Creator. This Creator becoming a Creature on earth is what is meant by Son while remaining the Creator in Heaven at the same time (John 3:13) is what is called Father. It is one Being in two realms at the same time playing two roles, unlearned folk. |
Maximus69:LMAO. I don't care what you or anyone else conceives of trinity. For all I know you could all be wrong. Even all of us including me could be wrong. But we're about to find out soon thanks to Rozz. |
TATIME:Oga, it's not reloaded, LMAO. It's just that you never understood it just like Rozz. |
Maximus69:LMAO. What you're tryna do now? My friend, I'm not one who gets distracted by insults in an argument. So don't bother, we will trash this out without distractions. Allow Rozz jejely watch your disgrace here and don't distract the convo. Btw, I'm not saying that Jesus doesn't send people out to preach. I'm saying that Jesus reveals Himself to people directly as well as through human agents. You can never argue it from the Bible. |
Janosky:You are a disgrace to the Bible because you are faithful to your JW lies only. Now read and deny that Paul said himself that no one but Jesus taught him the gospel he went preaching to all gentiles. Or is Paul a liar who learnt from men and later denied it. smbh. DrLiveLogic: |
Janosky:What's this? An all out attack from JWs? LMAO, 20 goats will still scamper before one lion. LMAO. I hope Rozz is seated with popcorn and soda. Hahahaha. The problem with you JWs is that you don't know God. Y'all think God is like a man or an angel who can't be in two places at the same time and you wonder how God can be on earth and heaven at the same time. Joh 3:13 KJV And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is (Greek: being) in heaven. I bet y'all never knew Jesus said he was in two places at the same time. Earth and heaven at the same time. I hear you ask what sense this makes? Sit down you carnal minds and learn basic knowledge. God's destiny for man is to make him in the image of God i.e. to be exactly as God is. How can a creature who cannot conceive what the Creator is like become like the Creator except the Creator first turns Himself into a Creature and shows as a fellow creature, what the creature must do to become as the Creator. Is this not the simple gospel? God became a man so that he can show man how to become God. Read and learn, Mr. Phi 2:6-7 6 Who, being in nature, God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: Do you see clearly the mystery. Jesus was God because it is only God that is equal with God, no angel or creature is equal with God. But when God wanted to manifest as a creature, he gave up his divine reputation and took the form of flesh and blood to show men that only through the cross can men become God. (Let this mind be in you, Philippians 2:5) What you call trinity is not theee persons but one person who takes three stages to reveal Himself fully. |
achorladey:As in eh. Even imagine Rozz asking if I'm ready for these JW people with shallow learning who know neither the scriptures nor the power of God LMAO. I'm already beginning to think he's a JW mole and if he doesn't answer all my questions. I'll call him out soon. Btw, bro you can use the[quote]...[ /quote] button to make your presentation easier. |
Maximus69:So Rozz just told me you're a JW. No wonder. I was already suspecting it. You've shown utter disregard for the Bible from the onset. You're just recycling what I've already trashed well in our convo cause you're now empty and don't know what to say. Here's another test for you Rozz, since you think so highly of the JW. Read our exchange and tell me what you think about our positions and then I will know further if you are a mole. |
Rozz:What kind of a person are you? You are here clearly avoiding my questions again and again and claiming you came here to learn? Or do you think I easily lose focus. I'm yet to take you seriously. You still seem like a mole to the best of my knowledge. If you missed it, here is my last quote to you. Mat 10:32-33 KJV 32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.Answer directly cause I'm not losing track of it or else just confess your real motive. |
Maximus69: You only need to take a step after another Sir!Paul was a Jewish Scholar who knew the law so we'll through intensive training by a Jewish Rabbi'Gamaliel'{Act 5:34, 22:3} So Paul had elementary learning and higher degree as a Jewish Scholar before Jesus called him to use him as the Apostle for the Gentiles {Act 9:15 compare to 1Timothy 2:7} yet Paul must learn from the Apostles the right application of God's word as Christ taught them!Act 15:2, 16:3-4Can you see why I said you disregard the scriptures and the person who taught you is misleading you. Paul didn't go to learn the gospel from any man. Hear from him and stop disregarding the horse's mouth. Gal 1:11-12 KJV But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. Gal 1:17 KJV Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. Again you are quoting scriptures upandan without studying. Acts 15:2 and 16:3-4 showed they went to Jerusalem to settle the matter. But Gal2:14 shows what happened there that Paul was already in the know and even corrected Peter's misconduct. Read and learn. Gal 2:14 KJV But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? As for what Paul did with all his learning from Gamaliel and the Pharisees, he threw it all in the dustbin(Phil3:5-8 ). It was all that learning that misled him to persecute Jesus' followers. He repented of it. Friend, you need to sit down and study. Except you disregard scriptures, accept it that Paul learnt the gospel from no man. Are you arguing with the man? Looking for where Paul learnt the gospel from men is like looking for snow in Kano. |
Maximus69: My friend, Jesus openly called Paul due to Paul's heart condition as a Jew!This man was zealous for what his teachers taught him but Jesus noticed that Paul was doing everything out of a misdirected zeal.As for what Paul need to do Jesus still direct him to his organized followers to learn from them{Act 9:6} so there is no confusion in God's arrangement.You must be preached to, learn what God requires of his worshipers and follow those taking the lead in God's organization!With all due respect, the person that taught you the scriptures didn't study properly. This is why it's safer to learn directly from Jesus Himself than men. Let me show you your blunder. Acts 9:6 you quoted does not make your point. Paul was directed by Jesus to wait for further direction which came as the disciple Ananias baptizing him in the Holy Spirit. Paul didn't go to learn from any man. Hear from him. Gal 1:11-12 KJV But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. Gal 1:17 KJV Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. Gal 2:14 KJV But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? Do you see now that Paul was taught by God directly and even went on to correct the leader of the church, Peter in his erroneous practice. Look again and learn, friend. 1Co 11:23-26 KJV 23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. Do you see again that the same thing the apostles learnt from Jesus directly, Paul also learnt from Jesus by revelation and not from the disciples. Accept the simple fact. Jesus teaches men directly by revelation. Any one who is afraid to let you learn directly from God but only wants you to learn from him is leading you to a sect. Where is the Rozz guy sef. I hope he's not running away? Cc: Omokoginimi |
Maximus69:You have no regard for the scriptures. Isn't the same Jesus you say sent out messengers that appeared to Paul. If you say Jesus cannot reveal Himself to people without human agents, you disregard scriptures. |
Rozz:Mat 10:32-33 KJV 32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. This answer even makes you more suspicious. Whoever you're avoiding has an even greater reason to doubt you now. And no true believer in Jesus is ever ashamed to acknowledge Him before men. If you are really interested in learning here, you should state your stance and where your confusion lies so you can be helped. Is it that you don't believe that Jesus is the only true God? Is it that you know Jesus is the only true God but you don't know how the trinity works? Otherwise, it's left for us to conclude you didn't really come to clear your doubts and learn anything but to drive a message for JW just like your topic looks. |
Rozz:Why did you avoid my direct question? Do you believe Jesus is God, Creator of heaven and earth? If not, what do you believe about Him? |
Rozz:This doesn't convince me that you're not a mole. Anyone can fabricate that story up there since we can't prove it. The way you titled the OP betrays your intentions if you're actually sincere. This is a better way for me to know. Do you believe that Jesus is God, the Creator of heaven and earth? If not, what do you believe about Jesus? I will tell you how to be spiritual but I will first give you a simple explanation of trinity as I said before after you answer the above. |
Maximus69: You only need to study the Bible with the Christians, that's the way Jesus commissioned Christianity.What a big lie @ the bolded. Is that what the scripture taught you? How did Paul become a Christian? The journey for you is even farther than for OP if you don't know that Jesus is one with the Father and Spirit. Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. |
Rozz:I will give you a simple answer that should satisfy your curiousity if you're genuine but you will have to prove that you're not a JW mole the way your topic is. Before that, first learn this discretion. Whenever you see loopholes in an argument, it doesn't automatically mean there are no loopholes in the opposing argument. Both arguments could be wrong. Also learn that many may not know the explanation to a thing but It doesn't mean what they believe is a lie. Just like you yourself, if I ask you, may not know how to explain the laws of mechanics but it doesn't mean the laws don't work, ya dig? [quote author=Rozz ]seeking for better understanding sometimes makes me confuse as some verses contradict themselves.I think having a true and proper understanding of the Bible is spiritual.[/quote]Exactly. You need to be spiritual to understand these mysterious concepts. When you become spiritual, you will understand these concepts. Your real question should be how can you become spiritual first. That's where to even start if after all the explanation, you still don't get. |
It's not that hard to understand a woman is it? Sex for men is about what the eye sees but for them it's about what they hear and feel inside. Your wife needs emotional stability and to feel like she matters a lot in your life and vision. Make her happy and treat her like your little child with discipline and care. Your wife is your first daughter. Always get to know what she feels deep down and give her a platform to be relevant in your life. Appreciate her every effort for you and the family while continuosly pointing her to standards of your vision for herself and family. Seek to make a great achiever out of her in step with her pace. If she sees you as her guide, protector and best friend she can always connect with, she will always be your sex doll on demand. Lol. Hathor5:Lol. I think he's rather trying to find a way to not cheat. You should let him know what makes women click. |
LordReed:With food you do get full and can't take in more before you actually burn it out. But with this unseen desire, it's never filled at any point but only needing more. Ever hungrier, never full. If you don't see this now, you will at some point in life. At that time, he'll be waiting for you. |
LordReed:Unlike food that can actually fill your belly when you've eaten enough to the point you can't take more until you exercise it off, this desire never gets filled by all these things. The more you consume these, the more you need to consume, rather like a reverse. You're ever hungrier, never full. There must be an "unseen" that's supposed to fill that the unseen desire and get you fully satisfied. But if you are currently deceived to think you're okay with what's visible and don't need God to fill that space, he'll wait till when you realize you need him but I can assure you this is all he wants to do with you and why he created you not for some heavy yokes and religious rites. |
LordReed:I'd say yours is only a case of "when the desired is not available...". You've settled for what you consider available. You obviously have this desire. That's why you look for something leaning towards the satisfaction of it daily. Apart from all work towards the sustenance of the body, you live trying to satisfy this hidden desire. Binging on movies, more science digest, meeting friends and seeking new relationships and all endeavours that humans go about are basically towards this. |
cihofo:The proof that there's something like physical water is the thirst in your body. The proof that there's something like physical food is that there's hunger programmed into your body. All our body's requirements were already provided for in the physical creation. The creator obviously prepared the world for man. A newborn baby has never seen water or food but his hunger and thirst are his proof that there is since he was created to live on earth and not to die. The proof that there's a an unseen God is that there's an unseen desire in every human that needs satisfaction. You do not see this desire yet cannot deny it's reality. As He is faithful to provide in the physical, He will be faithful to satisfy this spiritual desire. Sadly men turn to the things seen to be satisfied and alas after so, find the emptiness. |
ebuka10box:First, think about the fact that everyone's got a different clock in life. Your discouragement stems from thinking you've failed cos you think you're behind schedule in life. Listen you've not failed and there's a whole lot ahead for you if you can get over your depression. What you need is to realize your success doesn't come from your environment and the system but from inside you and if you let the system bury what's in you, then and only then will you fail. To start with what are your interests, deep down ambitions in life? As for the sexing part. Sex addiction works with our male physiology and if you don't understand it, you'll always be a victim and go down the rabbit hole. You don't have to. You can learn how to bridle it. bukatyne:Seems you don't understand human psychology and the human design. Before depression comes loss of morale. He's prolly tried alot of his options and consistent disappointments killed his morale hence depression set in. Rozz:What if he's not religious. And you didn't explain how this activity is gonna help anyway. |

