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The only reason I'm posting on this thread now is just so when the drama begins, no one will say it's happenstance.

Trump will be president and serve his full term. Many corrupt politicians will go to jail. It's the beginning of the end of the Democrat Party already.
GreyLaw says March 4. I don't know about that. What I do know is that by May, a lot will have changed on the landscape and in the news, and before year's end, Trump will be back in office. Then I'll come back here.
My source? Not necessary until it all goes down.

So go ahead now call us drunk, doped, low IQ and all, but in a matter of time, you'd know how little those who think they know actually do. No one here should deactivate and no heart attacks allowed, LMAO!.

It's sweeter that it happened this way and everyone on the left got to celebrating before reality hit em hard.

grandlexuz:
Bros I troway salute. You aint shouting MAGA forever today. Trump asslickers are ignorant folks with IQs < 36. You fit well into that profile.

You really funny. I've saved this comment and I will come reply you maybe around May or so when everything is over.
The fact that you guys think you know so much tickles me hard.
For your rash statements, I will also come down mercilessly on you. Just don't deactivate.

Once again MAGA forever and yeah that drama that you watched on Jan 21, it was really good imo but well, every actor must come back to reality after the set. LMAO!

Blabbermouth:
I know the God of Israel has a name, numerous titles and other personal names.

I know the Lord Jesus has a name, numerous titles and many other names.

So I'm asking, does the holy spirit have a name? If so, what is(are) the name(s)?

HS is the third of the only three aspects of a singular Entity and Being whose name is YHWH(each of which manifest to creation bearing the entire Godhead essence). Father and Word being the other two and as one Being altogether answer one name, YHWH. Kind of similar, though not exactly as you have Spirit, Soul and Body yet are one being.

Mat 28:19 Go then, and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them into the name of the Father and Son and Holy Spirit.

The names asides YHWH in OT are really more like YHWH's titles.


I tried bringing our duel over here but I still got banned. Problem is I can't start typing another long post on that again but do check with all available commentaries like K& et. al. Paul made it very clear that the Creator and Terminator of creation spoken of in Ps 102:24-... was Christ and all commentaries acknowledged it. I'm stunned that you seemed to want to argue that. I remember the K& particularly commented that it was the "YHWH to come" spoken of.
So one OT that called Jesus YHWH who came in the flesh was Ps 102, as Paul referenced.

I still have another very interesting one you'll find in Genesis that clearly revealed Jesus as YHWH to come. Just give me some time to prepare the post.



PS: Princewell2012 and livingchrist, don't let Janosky drag you into his favourite mudspot. He's got no new tricks in his book than to quote statements Jesus made as a son of Man and son of God, offices which he held for man's sake and which belong to men, less than his Godhead position as Word or Logos.
Check out my Son of God movie thread for more exposition and leave that clown, Janosky.
Happy new year to y'all including my old man clown.

MuttleyLaff:
Dont use the forum's default quote HTML tag to copy out the post you intend quoting, instead copy out the part or all the post you intend quoting, then enclose each or all with [quóte][ḃ]DrLiveLogic:[/ḃ] and [/quóte], just as shown in the examples pasted above and especially below, when you look at the way the modified quote HTML tag is used syntactically and especially with the [ḃ] and [/ḃ] bold tags, to create the impression of the forum's default quote HTML tag, lmso

The difference with the two above and/or below, is that:
1/ With the first example, it has a default forum quote HTML tag and it will link you back to the post quoted, if clicked upon
2/ With the second example, it has a workaround slash modified quote HTML tag, that will not link you back to the post quoted, if clicked upon, lmso, but at least you can quote without facing the wrath of the bot, lmso

Make note of the long red pointing arrow, showing how the syntax and modified the second example is to the one above it.

Type [quóte][ḃ]DrLiveLogic:[/ḃ], copy the content you want to quote, dropping it, with no space, directly under [quóte][ḃ]DrLiveLogic:[/ḃ], then finish with, closing the effort with [/quóte].

Checking...

So I think this proves it's not always about the default html. What do you think?

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MuttleyLaff:
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MaxInDHouse, @ "I appear to be too hasty... yap, yap, yap",
Oh please just quit if you can't help a soul. I did exactly what they said just so you know. Next, you'll be telling me it's because I haven't joined the only true messengers of Jehovah, who bear the real fruit is why I keep getting banned, LMAO!
But all the same happy new year to you, LMAO!.

MuttleyLaff, thanks a lot. Actually I think I just realized my initial suspicions are true too. Sure yours and johnw47 suggestions might work ordinarily but in my case I think I the bot keeps banning me because I repeat the same words from an already clamped post though I modify the post one way or another like I actually did in my last clamped post with your suggestions as demonstrated in quoting your monikers above and in the post above.

I think the bot's algorithm stores any such clamped posts in its bank as spam and will save the words so if I keep repeating 90% of those words in the same structure, even if changing a few words, which I've been doing everytime I got banned, or even moving the post to another thread, or staying off the platform for while hoping the bot would clear it's bank or modifying the format of the post any other way while still retaining most of the sentences, the bot can still identify the same sentences and clamp again.

It's a very lame, lousy and lazily written algorithm by the developers for spam control. Wonder if admins can be made aware.

I just have to abandon my duel with blabbermouth, which I brought over to his HS thread, because I can't start typing another long post like that (would be my third) of different words till maybe some other time.
Happy new year to you all.

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johnw47:
DrLiveLogic
re some of your posts are being deleted

try this

when you want to divide a post up into a number of quotes
leave the first quote as is, for example:

Thank you very very much johnw47. Seems you and MuttleyLaff have noticed my predicament. I will try this next. God bless.

DCatt:
Trump is our president for the next 4 years while Pelosi, Obama and the rest will go to prison.
Btw, I'm not a bros o!

Show's already going down sis, blackout in Italy, Leonardo systems. Trump in Command base, TX. The next 12 days will be so much fun. These folks have no idea. MAGA forever.

GreyLaw:
It's that time when all I said would start coming to pass. Those Biden supporters who came fiercely against this thread I hope you are well and happy in this New Year?

Trump will be sworn in for the next 4 years! And I repeat, Biden isn't stepping foot in the White House even for a fraction of a second. I just want to remind you all of this quote again. What is even more interesting is that I keep making these posts when it's tight and seemingly impossible, of course to the naysayers and those who cannot think beyond what the main stream media tells them.

Get ready to watch President Trump's victory and inauguration, and jail terms for some people.

Happy New Year.

I'm with you 100% my man and I want it to be remembered that we both stood our ground when all the odds were against us. Lots of people gonna wear the orange suit. MAGA 2021. Happy new year boss.

AmazonTopaz:
Lol you are still dreaming mr man wake up you are beginning to sound silly

Trump and his allies are the ones going to jail and the final nail on the coffin will be on the 6th when Biden's victory is certified also Biden will be the new occupant of the whitehouse in 16 days so better wake up to reality mr man your predictions failed and you were outrightly wrong.

Where is drlivelogic

I just hope you're an Amazon. Get ready for ultrahigh frequency waves of hysteria and shock. But please no heart attacks allowed. LMAO!

Me:

So you're seeing my mention now, yeah?

Blabbermouth's quote:

This was your exegesis turned eisegesis from psalms 102.
Where did you get that funny version from? @Ps. 102:23-24?
You use a flawed interpretation to promote your position, that's very bad boy.

My reply:

Jokes on you again blabbermouth, if you still don't see whose translation is wrong between ours. Don't know if you've studied the Hebrew language at all and how much of it you understand but you must know that when doing exegesis, you must dig deep and thorough into scholarly lexicons. I would have posted something for you so you can understand how flawed your KJV translators were, i.e. if you're a student of Hebrew but the bot has suddenly taken it upon itself and for a sport to ban me for any little posting even when I'm breaking no known rule.

However, fortunately, we can save this from becoming a long-winded "your word against mine' argument by applying the lens of Paul's(a master of the law, under Gamaliel) interpretation to show that it's actually your KJV that's completely flawed. But it's a question of whether we are arguing for the truth or just arguing to win, bro.

Now here's Paul's:
Heb 1:8-10 But to the Son: Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever.... 10 and You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of your hands

According to Paul, this was clearly spoken of about the Son but your flawed KJV actually makes it the Son speaking this about His God and Father. Do you see it's flaw now?
As a matter of fact, do you even see how senseless your KJV will look if read in its own sense.
By your KJV, the context from v22: "when the people gather to worship YHWH...
then abruptly, Jesus(supposed to be a different actor from YHWH) begins speaking of how the Father, YHWH, "weakened his strength...."
This abrupt and supposed change of actor from YHWH to Jesus occurs before the verb " to say" which occurs in the next verse 24, "...so I said...". That is impossible, therefore verse 23 can only be a continued qualification of the subject, YHWH, and not the abrupt introduction of a new actor, as your KJV implied Jesus to be a new actor.
Obviously, if there was even a change of actor, it should have begun in v24 when the new action of "saying" began and the possible actors could only have been either of the subjects, the people who gathered or YHWH whom they gathered to worship. Using Paul's exposition in Hebrews, it's obviously the people who were gathered to worship, who said this to the Son, who also is the YHWH, Q.E.D.

Now, as if the premature supposed change of actor wasn't abrupt enough and a clear violation of the golden rule, it then makes Jesus the speaker to God, YHWH saying "...your years are from generation....and you laid the foundation of the earth..."
a clear contradiction with Paul who implies(Hebrews 1:8,10) rather that these words were spoken about/to the son, Jesus, not by Jesus about the Father as your KJV twisted it.
It's so clear beyond argument that Paul is against yours and it's also against itself by the lexical structure of the Hebrew language.
Now read mine again with Paul's perspective and you realise it was the Son who was said to be the creator and the terminator of creation, not the Father.

Blabbermouth's quote:

Hahahahahahaha, I'm asking you - what are then inferring?
Don't hide behind curtains, are you saying Jesus is the Holy Spirit?

My reply:

Smh, always a funny guy aren't you? Don't forget, the question was for you from me: What is meant by the Lord is the Spirit seeing that we know them to be distinct personalities?
I have only expounded on who the Lord and the Spirit referred to are so you don't get mischievous. So, your turn, LMHO!
And It seems you're definitely satisfied with my perspective of trinity as you seem not to have been poised to counter it.

Janosky quote:

Who lied to you that Logos created the Universe?
God , Yahweh created the Universe THROUGH His Son Logos, Hebrews 1:2. John 1:2 in your Bible.

My reply:

Smh, they were many, old man. Paul lied to me in Hebrews 1:8-10, The psalmist he quoted also lied in Psalm 102, John also lied in John 1:2 and so many more liars all over the bible, LMHO!

Janosky quote:

Who lied to you Logos "remained hidden from creation in the Father's bosom?"
Genesis 3:15, was Jesus hidden from creation ?
Isaiah 42:1-4. (Matthew12:18-21) Did Isaiah not call him, Yahweh's servant?
Did Daniel not call him "Chief of Princes (angels)"
Greek lexicon, "bosom" refers to relationship of intimacy between 2 or more persons.
God did not have intimate relationship with himself .
Bros, STOP that FRAUD.

My reply:

Smh. John lied that he had been in the Father's bosom, Jn 1: 18 and then revealed. I see what you trying to do twisting what bosom meant. Nope, not working. And what in the world does Gen 3:15 have to do with this? Don't get funny. And nope, JWs said Daniel called him that not that Daniel ever did, my grey-haired clown.

Janosky quote:

*2
Revelation 1:5-6 & 3:5,12, John 14:28 Jesus Christ says he is NOT equal to his God and Father.
In heaven and earth.
Revelation 3:5,12 , John 20:17, did Jesus Christ reject your claim?
Continue DECEIVING yourselves.

My reply:

LMHO, can't teach an OLD....(Janosky) new tricks.
Same old recycled trashed questions. Yes Janosky, those scriptures speak of the Logos acting in the office of incarnated Son of Man and resurrected Son of God. However, he was before creation and ever will be the Logos, one Being with Father and Spirit.
Now try something new.

@blabbermouth quote:

DrLiveLogic, I went through your quoted reply that was clamped by the bot.
1. Psalm 102, what does it prove? What did I deny?

My reply

the link below (removed but I would like for you to post the link to my Psalm 102 exegesis you're reading, my #5 on that thread, to be sure we're on the same page)
Didn't you read this exegesis. It clearly says his days being cut short was an irony cos he is the one rather who can terminate his creation not vice-versa. The bible in other words is telling you Blbmth, jokes on you or any one at all who thought he "died". Nah, bro, he just entered into death but it was impossible for death to hold him captive, like all creatures in its grip.

@Bbmth quote:

2. 2 Cor 3:17? Hahahahahahaha, hahahahahahaha. Go ahead and tell me what it means.
Be careful of false eisegisis and strawmans.

My reply

"Exegesis and straw man's". Smh, LMAO!. Don't try to make things that's so simple complicated. The Spirit spoken of here is the "...just as by the Spirit of the Lord" (v18) who "changes us from glory to glory" and the Lord, our Yeshua, is the one to whom their hearts must turn toward and away from Moses, (v16) and "the Lord is the Spirit" (v17).

Blbmth quote:

Fortunately for me, but unfortunately for you, what God did [according to your trinity doctrine] was something even madder and accurate than cloning. Wherever He is, whatever form he takes, whoever he enters, however he does it, God MUST/SHOULD/WILL remain the same!
For He himself said of himself - I am the LORD, I changeth not - [Not my will, nor my goal, nor my person, nor my nature, nor my authority, nor anything at all]

My reply

Apparently you are against some "trinity doctrine" (not mine) you heard somewhere which may have sounded warped. Perhaps we need to look closely into what is actually written about the "united Three".

First, YHWH started all this when He introduced Himself to the Hebrews as both a pluralised God yet a united One.
"Hear O Israel, YHWH Elohim(Gods or Pluralised God) is a united YHWH." Deut 6:4
For Him to tell them He is a united YHWH already means there are diverse aspects of His Being that are perfectly united and hence they were to expect Him in unfolding Himself to them, to unfold these distinct aspects YHWH, the uncreated Being, but to know however that this pluralism are united i.e. equally distributed eternal divine nature/qualities"
The purpose of God teaching them the unity of the "Triune plurality" of the divine Being is simply to instruct us toward the unity of our own being. Just as you've got spirit, soul and body howbeit ever so disunited, so does God have 3 aspects but whichever are united i.e. equally distributed Divine qualities/nature in each.

If you understand this, then the Word was and is eternally an aspect of the divine Being, YHWH and when YHWH would incarnate in a weak frame of flesh and blood as Yeshua, it was that particular Word Aspect that would. Space and Time wouldn't stop them from being united/having the equally distributed eternal divine nature.
However, flesh and blood is an environment with a jurisdiction set by YHWH, which specifically limits only the divine power but not the eternal nature.
And when Word aspect of YHWH, for humanity's sake would
temporarily be confined to flesh, codename Son of Man, it would limit His eternal power yet never his nature/character (hence ever united YHWH). That means He would feel the pains of flesh and would be scared of the passion he was to experience, as in a weakened state of power.


johnw47, Zzor, perhaps you guys would see this. Please can either of you help quote this post of mine and copy Blabbermouth, Janosky, MaxInDHouse, Bingbagbo, chatinent, Preciousgirl and co in case they didn't see my last mention or this so that they would see this. Thanks much.

Blabbermouth:
Are you still getting banned baselessly by the bot?
If not, how about you create a thread [or better still, I will come in to your G.O.A.T movie thread] and we dig this truth?

Hahahahahahaha, I do hope you have the wisdom of God in you, you [and I] will be needing a lot.

PS: I don't see any mentions whenever you mention my name. If not for Zzor quoting you, I wouldn't have seen this at all.

I don't know if others also don't see your mention.

Yeah cause they were deleting the comments. Good idea then. Let's move over to my G.O.A.T. movie thread and trash it out.

Zzor:
hmm so you are still on this forum

Yes, miss JW mole, I am, just not often, LMAO!

johnw47:
DrLiveLogic
do you know your last 4 posts have been deleted
may be a glitch with the forum bot

perhaps email the mods to fix the problem

near the bottom of the page below, you will see a link: Mail Supermods

https://www.nairaland.com/

Yes johnw47, thanks much. Don't think the mods respond to the mail though. Thought it was the links I posted so I removed them, then I noticed when I quoted blbmth, I got banned again.
The site bot's algorithm's got glitches and it looks like they're gonna do a thing 'bout it. I've been trying to post on Bingbagbo's "Father is greater than I" thread, the following reply to Blabbermouth's comment:
"I stopped wishing the day I realized I CAN ACTUALLY DO IT MYSELF."


My reply:

"C'mon man, except you got another bible, you can do no more about it than Janosky and MaxInDHouse who scampered into their holes for cover, along with all other JWs when I openly debated them on this. Btw, Zzor's a JW mole pretending to be else.

You asked for OT the last time, I gave you Psalm 102, (can't post the link cause they keep banning me but you can go back to it) and you still got guts to deny. Smh.
It clearly said "though his days were cut short on earth, it was an irony because he was the creator of the heavens and all, who would be the one to put an end to his own creation, not vice-versa", LMAO!

Again, explain this on the triune god. What does Paul mean by "the Lord is the Spirit", 2 Cor 3:17, when we also know they are actually distinct.

On your question on will. Y'all just need to read my GOAT movie thread and stop asking redundant questions like my shameless old man, Janosky.
If God put on flesh and blood, it meant he was really going to experience the sensations of flesh, duh!
His mind, knowing the unbearable, excruciating pain his weak flesh would endure obviously got bothered and wondered if there was a less painful way to execute his divine will, proving he really took on flesh and blood while Father in heaven didn't have a flesh and blood hence never considered such. The difference between both wills was simply flesh awhich had never been part of their divine being in the first place.
But regardless, you could see his real heart, revealing his ultimate will and desire, even in spite of the fear when he says: "Nevertheless..."

Old man Janosky, I see you shamelessly harassing Preciousgirl and others, parading questions from John's gospel and Revelation, which I answered and left you defenseless in knock-knee, last time, huh.
Now my dear grey- haired coward, LMAO, go back and answer my three questions still waiting for you, if you got nerve.
For those who wonder at his baseless questions, just read my G.O.A.T. movie thread, and you'll see how unreasonable they sound. Smh.
Janosky stop quoting scriptures about when Jesus assumes the offices of Son of Man and Son of God.
He was and is eternally the uncreated Logos before He came down to help men achieve their divine destiny by occupying those offices for man's sake.

Cc: Bingbagbo, chatinent

kingxsamz:
Once again, very poor attempt at trying to prove your god's existence. When you're ready let me know.

If you still don't see that I haven't and aren't trying to prove god's existence to you, then atheism is really tampering with your logical ability, bro. Though I think you get it but just trying to save face.
All I'm doing is to show you your logical fallacy and the hypocrisy of excusing yourself, because "no one has proved god to you yet". Well, no one has or can prove your emotions, and thoughts to you either and you relate with them everyday, so quit your double standard.

Again, "when I'm ready", LMAO! Sorry bro, it's no one's job to prove god to you. God gave each man everything he needs to relate with him. When you're ready, you will have to seek him to find him but as courtesy for when that time comes, let me offer that he won't be found in the physical plane for he is spirit and like your emotions, conscience etc., he will be realised simply by consciousness.
A good place to start would be asking, what steps can be taken for him to be realised by consciousness? Goodluck whenever you're ready.

Dollywood:
I can't believe religion made you this stupid.

Yet you weren't smart enough to show us the stupidity you speak of. LMAO!, like you could ever.

And just so you know, you won't become any smarter by going around calling people stupid even when you can't prove it for obvious reasons but you would if you start to use your god-given brain to think. Just try it and see for yourself.

kingxsamz:
Lol, very Poor attempt at trying to prove your god's existence.

The point friend, in case you missed it is you really can't 'prove' everything you actually believe in and that truth, you can't deny. So if you're waiting for someone to prove god to you, they may have to first be able to show you tangibly, your own thoughts and emotions you believe are real, so you might wait your whole life in vain and end up fooling yourself.

However, consciousness recognises all of reality, whether tangible (like rocks and trees) or intangible,(thoughts, emotions and god). Go figure this out: "I am conscious, therefore I am" - Rene Descartes.
Start building your life on consciousness and stop hypocritically acting like proof of reality lies only in materiality.

If you can, just show them their stupidity and if they are still unwilling to be reasonable, wish them the best and move on.

kingxsamz:
No. A believer would have to provide proof of its existence first. And if a supposed atheist eventually believes in a god, he/she is doing that in faith, not because some sort of evidence was provided.
Believing in a god is just like believing in Santa Claus. They don't exist.

Hey, genius, I can give a list of five things you not only believe in, but relate with everyday without being able to prove their existence to yourself or anyone, but you've not been smart enough to notice.
1.) Your thoughts
2.)Your guilty feelings and conscience...
Ask me for more

Bacteriologist:
Let's discuss this "Faith" thing. Faith is like the single most important thing in religion and theism in general.

It is safe to say that the basis of theism is faith.

I hear Christians for example, talk about faith a lot and they say that once you have Faith a lot of things especially in the Bible begins to make sense.

Same thing with Muslims. "Faith" in Allah makes you believe that Islam is the true religion.

But my main point is this why would faith be required to know the truth?

A lot of things we recognise as facts and truths today do not require any sort of faith whatsoever.

Does anyone need faith to know that 1 + 1 = 2?

Is faith required to make an airplane glide in the air? Or a ship remain buoyant?

Does anyone need faith to know that water + clay makes mud?

Do you need faith to accept that whatever is thrown up gets pulled back down (except held up by an external force/obstacle?)

It looks like faith is needed only when believing something that cannot be demonstrated or shown to actually be true or exist.

And that is the greatest downfall of this thing called "faith." ANYONE can believe whatever they want and CLAIM it as true based on "Faith."

Christians even call it "evidence of things not seen." Then I can claim to have a dragon in my basement/backyard. And believe it on "faith."

Faith is a good way to believe in anything but is not a reliable way of determining the truth. And it is not enough to believe claims: especially those with heavy weight as god claims based on faith alone.

If you care about the truth, Faith is not enough.

What are your thoughts?

Your definition of faith would be the beginning of the problem with the issue raised. You're not to blame though. The standard dictionary definition and even that held by most Christians themselves and clergymen differs from that presented in the holy book. No, it is not "believing blindly" anything at all as that is inconsistent with reason.
Once the definition is wrong, the purpose of faith will be misconstrued as in your OP being that faith has never been presented as a means of verifying truth in the holy book.

Let's start by agreeing that consciousness is the basis of determination of reality, from which logic becomes a derived means to the same effect.
Then faith would be seen as the substrate e.g. atom/nucleus of the God- matter that can be perceived by consciousness, though not physical.
This is what is meant by Paul:
Heb 11:1 And faith is the substratum of what [we] hope for, the proof material unseen (not physical).

So understand that faith is not given to verify any truth or to make anyone believe anything at all but simply to incorporate the God-essence into humanity with the hope of reuniting humanity with its creator, as a germ or culture which should grow into the whole human matter of mind, soul and body. Without this God-matter of faith, a human remains estranged from the divine being, an aberration in the divine template and is at loggerheads with creator, regardless of the moral standards upheld.
Hence this faith must be sought by all humans if ever they will be made right with creator. Of course, as a side effect, one would automatically adopt a belief system(meaning the mind is infected) consistent and in proportion to the activity of the new found God-matter.

Bacteriologist:
If there is a creator of this vast universe, isn't it diminishing to believe he couldn't do better than to communicate with us through old books filled with ancient ignorance?

The Bible and the Quran are both filled with different sorts of ridiculous superstitious nonsense.


The Bible features unicorns, talking donkeys and a snake that talked a woman into disobeying god. Off my head I can list 50 contradictions in the Bible alone.

The Qur'an also endorses a winged horse that flew to the moon, sperm coming from the ribs and an actual arithmetic error when dividing property among people in one of its verses.

Isn't it actually unbelievable how a so-called intelligent designer chose the most perverted, error-filled, irredemably ignorant books, as his own first line representation in the face of humans and still have such a huge fan base?

If a god exists, and is intelligent and loving. It is pretty obvious that the two major books do a poor job of representing him as such. An intelligent designer, if there is one, would do better while inspiring.

You have begun on an unverified premise of assuming the creator intended to communicate to his creation primarily through a book. What if the book is only written to those who already have established some form of communication with him?
What if the book is some cryptic code that can only be cracked by a key in the hands of those who already have established communication with him, hence looking B.S. to others.
Paul says the things written in the law are for them that are under the law. And all the new testament letters of the bible were addressed to the saints. This would mean the writings are to people who already have some baseline common knowledge, not trying to be convinced but being guided on the path already chosen.
I don't believe therefore that any portion of the book was provided primarily as a means of initiating communication with him but only for whom this is already initiated.

Your question then should be what would an intelligent designer choose as a means of primary communication with humans. The most intelligent answer would be: it has to be something that is equally available and accessible to all humans and also such that is tamper-proof from the activities of another and the eventualities of the universe and it's elements.
The only place such a thing can be found will therefore be locked inside the human himself. The path to discovery of this creator would then be found in the investigation of the inner being of the human.

Goshen360, please do me this honour of adding my name to the list of 'liars', LMAO!. I would like to officially go on record as saying unequivocally: Trump will retain his seat in the WH. Like the heathen Cyrus and Nebuchadnezzar, and even the Pharoah who loved Joseph, Trump is anointed by God and will finish his God-given assignment.
What you don't realise you've just done is to give credence to the ministry of these people whom you call liars but you won't understand until January 2021, while you also advertise yourself as a questionable christian and I will be sure to call you out once this is over unless you humbly repent. Good job btw, please search for all of them so we can know the true prophets of God, LMAO!
And shame on you man that you'd be happy if Trump really lost. You MSM goons being told what to think, that can tell what's going on under the surface.

Tamaratonye5:
Could I learn anything from a dead apologist and their book that wasn't even written by him because he was suffering from dementia? I'm guessing no.

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Why if it isn't my vintage criminal Tantrum, breaking her rules again. What do you call this again? Isn't it ad-hominem. This time try looking into the validity of his points rather than the character. Or well, just don't worry, I feel like I already know how this will end. Maybe you're not ready yet so I'll just keep hoping the best for you and try my luck some other time.

That isn't particularly helpful at answering my question [Is order/ordered a binary property?]

I don't see how the answer can be anything other than:
[1] Yes
[2] No
[3] I don't know.

Maybe you could try again.

Also, it is probably a mistake to use the word "order", to describe order as you did above if you want anyone else to understand you.

This word is in common use in math and the sciences generally. When we use it, we mean something is marked by a defining principle, rule or law. Try Merriam-Webster here.
Ordered
If you understand it my way, the question, if I'm comparing it to anything else will be invalid as this characteristic is intrinsic. The right question is: can we recognise any rule or law defining the working of the universe?, which the identified laws of physics have already answered.

The one thing I'm here wondering is the level of chaos that the left will cause when eventually, the corruption is exposed and Trump is re-elected. Many of these people are volatile with unchecked tempers. They could cause a near civil war and put so many innocent lives at risk.
For those who would quote me to mock me. I have only one word for you to remember and I'll respond to y'all after January 2021.
This word here - #RETRUMPENCE#, the greatest recompense ever seen on world stage.
Let's all sit back and enjoy the ride till January. A humongous exposure of corruption like never seen in modern times and of the swamp in the U.S. begins. LMAO!