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Meanwhile, let's do a quick one on whether Jesus is angel Michael.

Joh 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made

So we know from above the history of Jesus from before creation, we see that He was with God and created all things in one Being with God (I'm coming to this creation part when I clear my table, lols.)
Do we find in any part of his history that he was made an angel. No.
He had never manifested anywhere at all but remained hidden in God's bosom. When you go down this history and get to verse 14, we find what happened next.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Does anyone see anything about the Word being an angel in his history here before he became flesh because I don't. All I see is He was with and in God and from the bosom of the Father, he came out as flesh through a virgin. He never manifested before then and surely he never manifested as an angel.
But we know Michael has always commanded the warring faction of angels and had always been visibly active.
And what does Paul say about if he manifested as an angel?
Also, learn to look at the context of verses to get the meaning the author intended.
Now read this slowly again and stop robbing your poor soul.
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil
Heb 2:16 Because doubtless he did not take on the angels'(meaning angel's flesh from the context); but he took on the seed of Abraham(Human flesh)

The point clearly being made is that he never took the flesh of angel's but of men. Sheesh!
Yep. Paul didn't mince words about it, he never took the form of an angel but only the seed of Abraham. Just as John said, from being with God in the bosom of the Father straight to taking on flesh or becoming flesh. Why that? Because God wanted to put the world in subjection to man and not angels. That's why he never manifested as an angel but only as a man.

Heb 2:5-7 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

Some of us need to carefully read the bible. The whole of Hebrews 1&2 was written to show that Jesus is not an angel but greater, the only-begotten from the Father's bosom for that matter. Only means only, duh!

How then can Jesus be angel Michael who has and will always be an angel and who was never called by that name when we know the Word only took on flesh of men and never angels.


I also see many aren't tired of the shallowness of quoting verses of after Jesus became a Son and using those to separate him from Father. There was no such distinction when He was the Word before he became flesh as the Son.


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#4 WORSHIP OF GOD
To Hebrews, worship and service of any heavenly being are one and the same thing. Also, some christian sects today claim that there are many gods apart from YAHWEH. Even if we claim God's angels or men are also called gods, at least we can agree that YAHWEH commanded that He is the only god among all the "gods" to be worshipped and served.

Exo 20:2-5 KJV I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

The Lord Jesus himself said to Satan:
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve

Clearly worship/service of god belongs only to YAHWEH.

Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him

But above, we see that YAHWEH who commanded that He alone be worshipped and no created god also commanded that all the angels worship Jesus Christ because the Father and Word are one Being. Obviously, God is not contradicting Himself.
Now watch again!

Isa 45:21-23 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I YAHWEH? and there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

YAHWEH who also calls himself Saviour, the same title with Jesus, declared that unto him alone all must bow the knee and confess to for no there is other god besides Him. The Romans adopted this very concept and made people worship their emperor's by bowing the knee and confessing to the Emperor/King. This worship which includes the knee bowing and tongue confessing is only for YAHWEH, the emperor of the Universe.
But to whom will all knees bow and all tongues confess?

Phi 2:10-11 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

It can be no clearer that YAHWEH and the the Word are one Being as god as by comparing the two above texts. And to bow and confess to Jesus as Lord/Supreme is to glorify/worship the Father at the same time because they are One Being as god.
We see also in the following text that the Father and Word bearing the title "Who is , was and is to come" (shown in #1), who as one Being will judge both the living and the dead, (shown in #2), that are on one sovereign throne (shown in #3). It is this Father and Word who are worshipped by the elders in heaven as One Being and both called the Almighty.

Rev 11:16-18 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

We also know Israel worshipped and served YAHWEH. A good question is who did the apostles worship and serve? Should they serve an angel or any created being. If so, they are idol worshippers.

Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
James boldly declares that he is a servant of God and Jesus Christ because they are One Being and he is not an idol worshipper therefore.

See also who Paul served
Phi 1:1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:
Paul served Jesus Christ (Also Romans 1:1, Tit 1:1)

Once again it is clear that YAHWEH who alone is to be worshipped and served is One Being with the Word who is also worshipped and served at the same time.

Q.E.D. Let's move to another prerogative of God.

N.B: The gospel is simple. God became a man. And acted as both God and man at the same time. To teach men how to worship God right and to make it possible for and show men how to become sons of God. So quoting scriptures that reveal God's humanity which happened only about 2000 years ago takes nothing away from the Word's original existence as one Being with the Father.

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#3 THE THRONE OF GOD
It is evident that God owns the sovereign throne in the whole universe and every other is subservient to His. We also know that Jesus is enthroned at the right hand of the Father. This statement has made the carnal mind think that the Father sits on one throne and the Son sits located beside Him at the right.
But does the bible teach that Jesus is literally seated at the right hand of the Father or does the bible teach it is figurative as both Father and Son as One Being have one throne?
Let's find out:

In the apocalypse, John is given the clearest revelation of the heavenly administration in all the scripture. In Revelation 4, he describes the throne of God surrounded by elders' thrones. Notice he doesn't describe any throne located at the literal right of God's throne because there is no such throne.

So just where in heaven is the throne of the Son, the Lamb of God?
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

The answer is clear here that it is only one throne, not two different thrones, belonging to God and also to the Lamb. Both are one Being and have just one throne in heaven and his servants serve him.
Now watch again!

Rev 20:11-13 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Furthermore, notice that it is this same Being, God who sits on the throne that will judge both the living and the dead. Some say this is the Father because the heaven and earth fled from his face. True, but it is Father and Son in one Being more precisely.
Remember we have shown in #2 that it is both YAHWEH of OT and Jesus Christ in one Being who will judge the dead and living.(2Ti 4:1, Ecc 3:17)
Again watch!

Rev 11:16-18 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

Finally, we see even more clearly here that its the same god who sits on the single sovereign throne who all the elders worship. Surely this is the Father, YAHWEH whose throne was described in the midst of the elders in Revelation 4.
But its also he who will judge the dead(unrighteous) and the living,(the prophets whom he will reward with his saints). Of course we know who it is that judges the dead and living by now. Surely it is the Lord Jesus(2Ti 4:1). Again, we see here Father and Word, as one Being, bearing the title "Who is and was and is to come"(as shown in the #1) in one Being sits on the single sovereign throne and will reign.

Clearly, the right hand of the Father is not literal since there is no throne at his geographical right in John's heavenly vista or any portion of the bible but it is figurative of his Omnipotence. I can treat this separately from the bible after we have all agreed that YAHWEH is Jesus.

Q.E.D. Let's move to another prerogative of God

N.B: The gospel is simple. God became a man. And acted as both God and man at the same time. To teach men how to worship God right and to make it possible for and show men how to become sons of God. So quoting scriptures that reveal God's humanity which happened only about 2000 years ago takes nothing away from the Word's original existence as one Being with the Father.

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#2 JUDGMENT OF GOD

We know that YAHWEH, the God of OT revealed Himself to Israel as the one who will judge both living and dead.
Now notice in the verse below, it is God who gave the commandments to Moses, YAHWEH, who is to be feared, who will also judge every work.
Ecc 12:13-14 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil

Also observe another verse in the same letter that shows the same YAHWEH is the one who will judge righteous and sinners alike.
Ecc 3:17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

But who are we told will judge all men?
2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick(righteous) and the dead(wicked) at his appearing and his kingdom;

Clearly answered. Paul says Jesus will judge the living and the dead. Comparing with OT texts, clearly Jesus and YAHWEH as one Being will judge all men. Now, reading again, its clear to see that Paul called God(YAHWEH) and Jesus as the same Being.

Q.E.D. Let's move to another prerogative of God.

N.B: The gospel is simple. God became a man. And acted as both God and man at the same time. To teach men how to worship God right and to make it possible for and show men how to become sons of God. So quoting scriptures that reveal God's humanity which happened only about 2000 years ago takes nothing away from the Word's original existence as one Being with the Father.

Cc: freshboi88, FlourishE30, NuclearReactor, Jung, Barristter07, chidifrank, Jozzy4, paltielx, rottennaija, achorladey, omokoginimi(because I saw someone trying to reorient you on the other thread), RussellRutherfo(welcome bro latest addition)

Is YAHWEH, God of Israel one Being with Jesus Christ in NT who came to die for sin?


#1 NUMBER OF GOD
It is obvious that in order, God is the only Being who can be "First and Last/Beginning and Ending/Alpha and Omega" at the same time because he existed before every created thing and is the only One who will remain when he decides to end all existence.
The Simultaneous "First and Last" is a number only the Uncreated can have.

Isa 44:6 Thus saith YAHWEH, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

We see here that YAHWEH, the God of Israel is "First and Last" and is the only true God. Follow me now.

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, Who is, and Who was, and Who is to come, the Almighty

Rev 11:17-18 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, Who is and was and is to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned

We see that He calls himself by this number, "First and Last" and also the "Who is, was and is to come". He further calls himself, the Almighty/Omnipotent (El-Shaddai), an OT title of YAHWEH. Even the angels worship him and call him same on his throne. Angels are mighty, even Michael is very mighty but only YAHWEH is Almighty/Omnipotent.
From the OT text and also the two in the Apocalypse, It is clear that YAHWEH Almighty's number is "First and Last"

Now, observe:
In the beginning of the apocalypse, John meets with Jesus Christ, who introduces himself as
Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last...
Rev 1:17-18 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

We see that this is Jesus Christ who was dead and resurrected. By his number here, "First and Last/Alpha and Omega/Beginning and Ending", we see that YAHWEH Almighty of OT and Jesus Christ of NT are one Being.

Little wonder that even when the Word became flesh, he testified he was on earth as Son and in heaven in the Father at once, a bilocation impossible with any being but God himself.
Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Q.E.D. Let's move to another prerogative of God.

N.B: The gospel is simple. God became a man. And acted as both God and man at the same time. To teach men how to worship God right and to make it possible for and show men how to become sons of God. So quoting scriptures that reveal God's humanity which happened only about 2000 years ago takes nothing away from the Word's original existence as one Being with the Father.



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Could easily have believed this. I mean Quest is a fun guy and all but seriously anything coming out of CNN these days looks super suspicious.
Just saying.

BackllGodNaija:
You accuse someone of being narrow-minded, yet you resurrect the same dead points that has been already made here in futility before you. If you want to know my response to your dead points, look up my comments because I can't keep repeating myself for nothing. You could as well draw a few lessons from the personalities at the OP who know much better than you.

This is a bad time to be gloating over science. Christians should be humbly asking God where we have failed Him that Covid19 shows up in our midst and with all our doctrines and professed faith in God, we can heal none of it.

ThinkFreely:
Your post doesn’t make sense as long as sexual hormones is still a thing. If you don’t produce much of it, that’s your problem.

And you think this is an intelligent way to converse. No question on my point rather straight to an assumption on my hormonal level.www.nairaland.com/attachments/11865399_20200630235830_jpeg57de750e82ea58929144e974f3bf7dce
FYI, I have maximum hormone production and have learnt maximum control too.

Alright then, since you like not being in control. Stay that way.

Society failed the men of this generation. No one ever taught men how to be masters of their sexuality and gain control of their urges. Not in school, not in churches, almost nowhere are they taught.
So most are condemned to live like beasts by the system and never live up to their dreams.

My fellow men, you have the potential to be great on life. Don't waste your potentials on Porn and women. You can be taught to tame that little beast under your pants.

Rozz:
we await you sir since you are very much interested in trashing the jws lies

Yeah but it might delay a bit. Not sure when I'll be able to make out some free time so I'll do a top- notch job. Maybe some weeks from now.

Rozz:
read fairheart's posts i kind of agree with him,read his posts

I saw them, nothing new or useful against my points. He doesn't understand the priesthood of Christ vs the Divinity of Christ. He's just quoting scriptures amiss. Probably, one of those guys that think they know the things of the Spirit but really just puffed up and have a lot to learn if they're humble.
Anyone who really understands the whole subject of Christ's divinity and humanity can trash all he wrote up there easily but I've already done a little of that that in my questions and the rest of my thesis will clear all doubts.
I have a reason I'm here, I wanna keep that in focus. I'm not really here just for the fun of arguing. All I wanna do here now is gather all JW lies and then trash them for good, open a thread that deals with these lies effectively and I'll be done with this subject and on to other things.
When I'm done with that thread, it will be clear what the bible really teaches and there should never be unnecessary arguments on the subject again.
It will only be left for everyone to choose what they want having full understanding of the whole subject.

solite3:
Bro Jesus has always being the Son of God even before the world began.
don't let Jehovah false witness make you believe that Jesus being the son is less than the father.
The Son of a lion is a lion, The Son of man is man, the Son of God is God.
Father Son relationship that between Jesus and his Father existed even before the world began.

Yeah. Of course Jesus is never less. He as the Word was equal with Father before He became a man. Before creation, Father was not greater than Word, both were equal.
But when He became flesh to serve the Father, He said my "Father is greater than I" that's the disparity I'm talking of.
So we're saying essentially the same thing about his equality with God.

Rozz:
ok

. I don't understand you.

fairheart:
A fool is known by his many words and never-ending harangue. With all your know-all dogmatic approach to this subject, what have you achieved on the JW members you have engaged? You're just an obtuse fellow!! You can keep mentioning me and bluster here and there, I'll not reply you. Goodluck on your asinine crusade!!!

This teenager who was just trying to claim a pharaisical, self-righteous, super-spiritual than everyone here with "gift of dreams and still voice" got called out and now he won't let me be. Can you stop mentioning me please?
Let me do my bible thing and I'll let you do your dream gift whatever. I wish you the best and hope your dreams will one day be in line with God's Word so Satan won't steal your soul with them. Now please go in peace.

Love.

fairheart:
Hey dude, don't ever mention me again. You can continue in your argument with those you think you are scripturally better than and win the souls of those you assume have been affected for not agreeing in your Trinity, but don't mention me.

Can you believe yourself? Did I not tell you I don't know you and don't wanna talk to you. Aren't you the one that mentioned me first and was tryna teach me the bible. Maybe if you don't mention me again I won't.
You'd do good getting that hypocritical, sulking, tantrum-throwing chip off your shoulder on your way out.

Meanwhile, let's do a quick one on whether Jesus is angel Michael cause I see that's what they're tryna pull off.
I'm just taking down JW bullets one by one until they're totally empty. Want them to bring it all out here to their undoing.

Joh 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made

So we know from above the history of Jesus from before creation, we see that He was with God and created all things in one Being with God (I'm coming to this creation part when I clear my table, lols.)
Do we find in any part of his history that he was made an angel. No.
He had never manifested anywhere at all but remained hidden in God's bosom. When you go down this history and get to verse 14, we find what happened next.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Does anyone see anything about the Word being an angel in his history here before he became flesh because I don't. All I see is He was with and in God and from the bosom of the Father, he came out as flesh through a virgin. He never manifested before then and surely he never manifested as an angel.
But we know Michael has always commanded the warring faction of angels and had always been visibly active.
And what does Paul say about if he manifested as an angel?

Heb 2:14 Because without doubt he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Yep. Paul didn't mince words about it, he never took the nature of angels but only the seed of Abraham. Just as John said, from being with God in the bosom of the Father straight to taking on flesh or becoming flesh. Why that? Because God wanted to put the world in subjection to man and not angels. That's why he never manifested as an angel but only as a man.

Heb 2:5-7 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:


Do you JWs even read their bible. The whole of Hebrews 1&2 was written to show that Jesus is not an angel but greater, the only-begotten from the Father's bosom for that matter. Only means only, duh!

How then can Jesus be angel Michael who has and will always be an angel and who was never called by that name when we know the Word only took on flesh of men and never angels.


Any JW that wants to quote me must first have the balls to answer my 3 questions. LMAO.
I see you JWs aren't tired of your shallow tricks of quoting verses of after Jesus became a Son and using those to separate him from Father. As if there was such distinction before he became flesh. Your barrels are so empty now, you're recycling used bullets that can't hit. LMAO.

I know this ain't WW2 but I'm gonna come soon with my heavy atomic bomb "little boy" for JW right after you're all out of bullets. LMAO
I see many of them already tryna find a cool way to run out tha thread. Live to fight another day fake soldiers. LMAO.




johnw47, achorladey, Rozz, Maximus69, TATIME, Janosky, Peacefullove, haywizzy007, solite3, KNOWMORE56, hoopernikao, DappaD, Muttleylaff

Who's that guy. LMAO. Definitely not me or even my type. He thinks I'm in an unnecessary argument? People post lies that can affect christians souls and you think it's unnecessary to reprove them. If you don't care about others, why care if we care? This is important for christians to be sure of what they believe before wolves devour them.
Thought Rozz was genuinely interested in knowing truth, which I'm still wondering if she really is. She claimed no one ever wins JWs. LMAO. Imagine that, Smh. How can their glaring ignorance be lauded by anyone apart from their own.
Well I'm sure it's clear enough now that they know jack not even 3 simple questions can any single one of them answer, even the one that claimed to be a teacher, Smh. Was thinking I'd have to ask my more difficult questions. But if they can't do arithmetic, why should I even give them calculus. LMAO.
Got me thinking and I decided to post truth out and frm page84, till now on 100 and JWs still running and hiding from 3 questions of a cute kid. Not a single one of them would even leave a fingerprint on them. LMAO.
They probably thinking there's Covid19 on those questions. LMAO. See them all on lockdown now. LMAO. I thought lockdown's off in Nigeria.
Rozz even feeling so sorry for them now esp Maximus.
Obviously JWs will lose every argument against truth hands down cause lies never win truth and I'm just one of millions that can prove it. Whichever of them's in doubt should first answer my 3 questions. LMAO. I've got bigger ones coming.
Well, fairheart, you said no one should try convince you out of your falsehood and I ain't even gonna try, lol. Hold on to your sweet delusion and miss out on worshipping Jesus the Almighty, along with the elders and all angels.
However don't come here forming "I don't wanna do this" and then go ahead to quoting the bible. That's hypocritical and probably a cop out for not being able to handle the 3 questions.
If you ain't ready to do a thorough on the bible, then keep your hands off it and stick to your "heavenly dreams". About those too, I'll take John's open vision anytime than some anonymous guy's dream that contradicts. Like who knows what you ate before you went to bed. LMAO.
There are so many revelations of the throne of God in the Bible and not one shows a "smaller" throne on God's geographical right cause there simply isn't. Only one sovereign throne in the center of creation- the throne of God and the Lamb, all other thrones bow to this throne, so why should we care about your sleep diaries?
Who knows, could have been a figment of your imagination but then again that's your problem not ours.
You JWs are so lucky, I've been engaged. I got so much in store for you that I'm considering doing a thread on your delusions. I just want you all to exhaust your lies while I trash every single one of them out here for good. Then I just might find the time to open that thread so you'll have nothing you can say there. If Rozz is really a JW mole, I'm still somewhat suspicious, she and all of 'em will be regretting this thread when I'm done with all their lies here and I'm ready to do a thread of mine. LMAO.

@Rozz, you're suspecting me. I'm suspecting you too. LMAO

MuttleyLaff:
You're doing a very too good work DrLiveLogic. Oinn, fantabulous you kept me busy reading through all this morning, lmao. Those easy simple, harmless, straightforward and direct questions will prove the nemesis for any that has the balls to answer them in the same format and numbered up order you asked

Also when you asked what's your church/denomination, just know you had touched a raw nerve and whoever that asked has become uncomfortable, so why they insist to know, just to create a distraction, lmao

LMAO. Ya think. And boy, do I love your signature. LMAO.

Rozz:
Im a core science student and I perfectly understand that, and also know the point you are driving at

Good girl. I'm happy you're a science core and I wouldn't mind knowing what part of science you specialize in.
Now then, just follow me on cruise mode and our jet will land safely. LMAO

You have passed the first test, I assume, understanding the three states of water.

Now just go through my 3 statements below. Don't answer the questions yet o. No need for that now.
First, I just want to know if you understand everything I said there very well or if there is any part of the below you don't really get? Ask anything you don't understand there, don't bring up other things yet o, just focus on the below and ask me to clarify where you don't understand my statements.






#1 NUMBER OF GOD
It is obvious that in order, God is the only Being who can be "First and Last/Beginning and Ending/Alpha and Omega" at the same time because he existed before every created thing and is the only One who will remain when he decides to end all existence.
The Simultaneous "First and Last" is a number only the Uncreated can have.

Isa 44:6 Thus saith YAHWEH, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

We see here that YAHWEH, the God of Israel is "First and Last" and is the only true God. Follow me now.

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, Who is, and Who was, and Who is to come, the Almighty

We see that God calls himself by this number, "First and Last" and also the "Who is, was and is to come". He further calls himself, the Almighty/Omnipotent (El-Shaddai), an OT title of YAHWEH. Angels are mighty, even Michael is very mighty but only YAHWEH is Almighty/Omnipotent. Now watch!

Rev 11:17-18 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, Who is and was and is to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned

We see here that it is the same YAHWEH Almighty who sits on the throne worshipped by the same title "Who is, was and is to come". So, comparing the OT text and also the two verses in the Apocalypse, It is clear that YAHWEH Almighty's number is "First and Last"

Now let us find out who is this YAHWEH Almighty, The First and Last, Who is, was and is to come?
In the beginning of the apocalypse, John meets with Jesus Christ, who introduces himself as

Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last...
Rev 1:17-18 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

We see that this is Jesus Christ who was dead and resurrected. By his number here, "First and Last/Alpha and Omega/Beginning and Ending", we see that this same YAHWEH Almighty of OT and Jesus Christ of NT are one Being.






***These are two of my three questions.

Rev 11:16-18 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2.) Jesus will judge the living and the dead and the same one is seated on the throne of God and the Lamb, as one Being with God receiving the worship of the elders.
Now with all the above, can any creature be worshipped besides God as Jesus was worshipped by the angels and all the elders fall on their faces and worship Jesus, the judge of the dead and living, even calling Him Almighty.?


3.) Does any creature have the single sovereign throne belonging to both Father and Lamb in one Being from which the river of life flows?
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and the Lamb.

Rozz:
you are saying we should leave Trinity when you know that the explanation for the three states of water still centred around Trinity

You are assuming things too quickly. I believe we should leave the spiritual and first understand the physical that is easy to relate with.
So I ask again.
Is it true that even though water exists in three states, it is still the same substance, yes or no?
it's a very simple question and no one can insult you for a right answer.
I believe you were taught in secondary school or can't you remember?

Rozz:
lol,i actually got interested in asking people their church when I realized that most of you guys hide the church you attend,thats just it. Are you a pastor?i I think I need God's guidance not really spiritual help, there's so much contradictions in Christianity

There is no confusion in true Christianity, forget what you see on the surface. It all arises from poor learning and deviating from what Jesus taught. Every contradiction in Christianity comes with improper teaching and misunderstanding of scriptures like these JWs who cannot answer my questions have proven how badly they're taught.

But a proper teaching, no one will be able to gainsay. Have you seen any JW here able to stand up to my simple 3 question challenge. All of them running helter skelter.
Anyway, I can also tell you how you can always know the marks of who to listen to and who to avoid but not on this thread. Maybe when you tag me in another thread.

As for whether I'm a pastor, JWs always like to know that too, they've been tagging me that here so that I will respond but I have avoided that on this thread. So leave that one if you say you're not of them.

What matters is the Bible. I can help you there whenever you want.



Now let us leave trinity first, what did you understand about the three states of water?

Rozz:
lol you have also refused to mention the name of your church here, why are you hiding it

First of all, you never asked me so I'm hiding nothing but even if you did, I will ask you why that is important to someone who doesn't know anything and who just wants to learn the truth of Jesus's divinity. Is it not enough for the Bible to show you no matter the church?


Do you know also that I've found out that only JWs are interested in knowing people's churches. So if you keep asking that on this thread it gives more reason to believe that you're a mole or something.


Btw, I'm not going to expose your stand to anyone if that's what you're scared of, as I'm mature enough to respect people's privacy. So the fact that you're deliberately hiding your stand even when I suggested PM makes you seem very suspicious.

Rozz:
you don't share the same time with us

Wait first. Let's leave that matter for Mathias. You told me you wanted to learn how to be spiritual.

Well, I cannot help you except I know your stand. Even if you say you don't want insults here, which I'm yet to understand. You can at least PM me your stand, and what your confusion actually is and also what you understand and don't understand yet from what I've been posting here. Can't you do that if you're serious?

Rozz:
dont you sleep

LMAO. Do you know what the time is where I am?

BREAKING NEWS!!! (brought to you by FOX news)


The self-acclaimed unstoppable force of JWs have met their sudden demise at the instance of an immovable object.
It appears anything that has to do with the number 3(like trinity) always causes them untold problems and fear. LMAO.
Just 3 questions to answer unanimously and boom! old papas ran for cover.
And can you guess who is behind the immovable object of 3 innocent questions
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Yep. That little child up there has made old papas to gather for emergency meeting laughing so hard. LMAO. Didn't you read? "out of the mouth of babes and sucklings, He will quiet the enemies"(Ps 8:2). But little do they know the baby is spying on their meeting because he's so tiny they can't even see him.
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I told Rozz to see how a little cute kid knowing only so little but who wants to learn will dismantle wisdom of old papas who don't want to learn anymore.
Now I've given you milk, my baby food to drink and y'all old papas can't digest it. Unknown to you I'm reclining in my chair about to bring hard meat that'll choke your throats and then finally I'll bring bones to scatter your toothless gums. See below how I'm plotting your downfall. LMAO.
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But one by one. First, I want it to be very clear how empty your lies and gun barrels are and that is already 90% obvious. Then when your bullets are wasted, I'll bring forth my remaining ammo of the Godhead prerogatives.
Remember, I'm doing all this just cos I really love y'all, DappaD, take note please, and want to save you from destruction and I will explain to DappaD later on about the real trinity pagan worship origin. Btw, I just learnt from this thread that this is even JW building.
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johnw47:

Bwahahaha! LMAO.





***Warning!!!!:*** Any JW that quotes me, if I hear "pim", you will meet with those 3 "gbosa" that you've been running from. and explain why the elders fall on their faces to worship Jesus, the Almighty.




NB: Take note people that all their scripture quotations trying to show disparity between YAHWEH and Jesus all have to do with when Jesus yielded up His Omnipotence to become a servant. They are deliberately avoiding what was written about before creation and after creation.
A big thank you too to all who are dismantling JW lies both from history, from their own internal papers and from bible. Well done everyone.




Cc: johnw47, achorladey, Rozz, Maximus69, Janosky, Peacefullove, solite3, hoopernikao, Peacefullove, DappaD.

Maximus69:
Ogbeni, what is the result of the TRINITY confusion between you and your cohort DrLiveLogic?

You said "Jesus is not the same person as Jehovah"

Your cohort said "Jesus is the same person called Jehovah"

So let's settle that first before you come up with another confusion!

Hopeless diversions. I ain't that dumb.

DrLiveLogic:
I have told him by persons can be meant different individual states/aspects of one Being (substance).
But Maximus69 is desperately looking for how he can divert the thread from three innocent questions I asked him. LMAO

solite3:
they know what they are doing, they are not ready to hear the truth but just to mislead others.

DrLiveLogic:
Yes he didn't. Let me clarify that. He gave up his privileges of Omnipotence is what I mean while retaining His nature/character as God.
Thnx.

solite3:
yes of course, he limited himself to his human nature but his disciples and others could still see his divinity.

Now go back and answer the three questions without further ado and distractions. Face me and stop all your running. LMAO

Peacefullove:
Noise maker
Produce where Jesus is called Almighty, is that hard ?

Do you realize you're making a fool of yourself before everyone. Is it blindness or inability to comprehend things? Can you read no 2 slowly now..

Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him

Rev 11:16-18 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2.) We can see from the above that Jesus will judge the living and the dead and the same one is seated on the throne of God and the Lamb, as one Being with God receiving the worship of the elders.
Now with all the above, can any creature be worshipped besides God as Jesus was worshipped by the angels and all the elders fall on their faces and worship Jesus, the judge of the dead and living, even calling Him Almighty?

Peacefullove: Adam is a Son of God because he was created by God.

If Jesus is UNCreated , He cant be a Son of God . when a Created being used First and Last , a thinking brain knows its totally different from the Father..


I challenge you to show me where the Father is called Son of anyone.

Did you not read this before, oga stop going in circles.

....have you not heard that Jesus left his Godhead privileges and came out from the bosom of the Father where He had been inside as one with Him since before existence, to become a son of Man like Adam.
You people should learn to distinguish what he did in created existence as son of Man from who He was before existence as God/Logos of God.
Clearly, Only one Being, the Uncreated, can have the number First (before existence) and Last(After existence is dissolved) at the same time.

Listen, chap! If you know you don't have the answers to my three questions, let's wait for your friends to come help you. Don't waste people's time with rigmaroles.
My 3 questions are simply meat for you all to chew so I can test the strength of your teeth and so far you're all tripping over yourselves. I am still coming with other questions that are like bones when you finally can chew the meat. LMAO.

Rozz:
people are just twisting and misinterpreting verses to suit their belief.May God guide us all.

Hello. If you wanted God to guide us all, why open a thread? And if you said you want to just learn, why are you yet to answer my question on the three states of water? Did you not see it?




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Peacefullove:
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@Highlighted , YOU LIED !!! ... Nowhere is Jesus called Almighty. I think you finally roped yourself.

Hahahaha! Another learner shows up. He says nowhere was Jesus called Almighty. Did I not tell you all to answer my simple questions so you can learn. Now answer no 2 and go back and learn.


****I'm going to continue presenting these questions all together until any of you can attack them all together. I'm not here for rigmaroles. If you can't attack them all together, then Jesus is one Being with YAHWEH

1.) Even if creatures share any titles with God. Can any creature have the number First (before existence) and Last (after all existence is dissolved) at the same time? Please tell us which.




Again, watch!
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him

Rev 11:16-18 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2.) Jesus will judge the living and the dead and the same one is seated on the throne of God and the Lamb, as one Being with God receiving the worship of the elders.
Now with all the above, can any creature be worshipped besides God as Jesus was worshipped by the angels and all the elders fall on their faces and worship Jesus, the judge of the dead and living, even calling Him Almighty.?


3.) Does any creature have the single sovereign throne belonging to both Father and Lamb in one Being from which the river of life flows?
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and the Lamb.

****If you need help with the answers, refer to my thesis and attack it

Peacefullove:
Again you are been mischievous , after been cornered that two people sharing titles doesnt make them of equal power, you now make a U- turn and rant above.


Jesus use of First and Last is not close to that of his Father , Let me ask : Why is Jesus and Adam called " Son of God " ??

A Son of God is a created being!!!! If a created being says He is First and last . Does that not tell a thinking human that he didnt meant Uncreated ??


I challenge you to show me where the Father is called Son of anyone.

See this learner, LMAO.
You and Maximus69, have you not heard that Jesus left his Godhead privileges and came out from the bosom of the Father where He had been hidden as one with Him since before existence, to become a son of Man like Adam.
You people should stop mixing up what he did in created existence with what He was before existence.
Only one Being, an Uncreated, can have the number First (before existence) and Last(After existence is dissolved)

Bwahahaha! People, he just said Jesus "First and Last" is different from the Father's "First and Last". LMAO.


Learner go and read my thesis #1 below and all the others to #4 so you can learn that Jesus and YAHWEH are one Being.




#1 NUMBER OF GOD
It is obvious that in order, God is the only Being who can be "First and Last/Beginning and Ending/Alpha and Omega" at the same time because he existed before every created thing and is the only One who will remain when he decides to end all existence.
The Simultaneous "First and Last" is a number only the Uncreated can have.

Isa 44:6 Thus saith YAHWEH, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

We see here that YAHWEH, the God of Israel is "First and Last" and is the only true God. Follow me now.

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, Who is, and Who was, and Who is to come, the Almighty

We see that God calls himself by this number, "First and Last" and also the "Who is, was and is to come". He further calls himself, the Almighty/Omnipotent (El-Shaddai), an OT title of YAHWEH. Angels are mighty, even Michael is very mighty but only YAHWEH is Almighty/Omnipotent. Now watch!

Rev 11:17-18 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, Who is and was and is to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned

We see here that it is the same YAHWEH Almighty who sits on the throne worshipped by the same title "Who is, was and is to come". So, comparing the OT text and also the two verses in the Apocalypse, It is clear that YAHWEH Almighty's number is "First and Last"

Now let us find out who is this YAHWEH Almighty, The First and Last, Who is, was and is to come?
In the beginning of the apocalypse, John meets with Jesus Christ, who introduces himself as

Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last...
Rev 1:17-18 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

We see that this is Jesus Christ who was dead and resurrected. By his number here, "First and Last/Alpha and Omega/Beginning and Ending", we see that this same YAHWEH Almighty of OT and Jesus Christ of NT are one Being.


Q.E.D. Let's move to another prerogative of God.


Now don't come back here until you have answers to all my three questions which must agree unanimously together.

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DappaD:
I already said I'm not answering your stupid questions because you don't even know the scriptures you're quoting.

Bwahahaha! LMAO. Another JW bows out. Next!

Someone else please come and answer these three questions o. They are only for your own good. LMAO.



***I'm going to continue presenting these questions all together until any of you can attack them all together. I'm not here for rigmaroles. If you can't attack them all together, then Jesus is one Being with YAHWEH

1.) Even if creatures share any titles Can any creature have the number First (before existence) and Last (after all existence is dissolved) at the same time? Please tell us which.


Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him

Rev 11:16-18 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2.) Now with all the above, can any creature be worshipped besides God as Jesus was worshipped by the angels and all the elders fall on their faces and worship Jesus, the judge of the dead and living, even calling Him Almighty.?


3.) Does any creature have the single sovereign throne belonging to both Father and Lamb in one Being from which the river of life flows?
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and the Lamb.


***If you need help with the answers, refer to my thesis and attack it



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DappaD:
No, stay in your lane and use your own narrative
Stop jumping here and there.
Do you know what even saying things like God and Jesus are the same person can get you into trouble?
For the Bible to clearly say that Jesus is the Son of God and then you come to say he's the same means you're heading towards your own destruction!
(Matthew 16:16, John 20:31)
Accurate knowledge of who Jehovah God is and who Jesus Christ is, is very necessary for everlasting life (John 17:3)
You trinitarian lot keep condemning yourselves to destruction because you choose to hold on to church doctrines and traditions that have no basis in the Bible.

Bwahahaha!
Oga, stop telling stories and diverting. Go back and answer my three questions. LMAO.

***I'm going to continue presenting these questions all together until any of you can attack them all together. I'm not here for rigmaroles. If you can't attack them all together, then Jesus is one Being with YAHWEH

1.) Even if creatures share any titles Can any creature have the number First (before existence) and Last (after all existence is dissolved) at the same time? Please tell us which.


Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him

Rev 11:16-18 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2.) Now with all the above, can any creature be worshipped besides God as Jesus was worshipped by the angels and all the elders fall on their faces and worship Jesus, the judge of the dead and living, even calling Him Almighty.?


3.) Does any creature have the single sovereign throne belonging to both Father and Lamb in one Being from which the river of life flows?
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and the Lamb.

*** If you need help with the answers, refer to my thesis and attack it

DappaD:
DrLiveLogic and solite3 please agree on one thing let's take you both serious!

Hopeless diversions. I ain't that dumb.

DrLiveLogic:
I have told him by persons can be meant different individual states/aspects of one Being (substance).
But Maximus69 is desperately looking for how he can divert the thread from three innocent questions I asked him. LMAO

solite3:
they know what they are doing, they are not ready to hear the truth but just to mislead others.

DrLiveLogic:
Yes he didn't. Let me clarify that. He gave up his privileges of Omnipotence is what I mean while retaining His nature/character as God.
Thnx.

solite3:
yes of course, he limited himself to his human nature but his disciples and others could still see his divinity.

Now go back and answer the three questions without further ado and distractions. LMAO

solite3:
Jesus didn't abandon his God head but rather he took up the human nature
in addition, Hence he was 100% God and 100% man.

Jesus possesses the qualities of Almighty God and the qualities of man.

The union of the two natures is called the hypostatic union.

Yes he didn't. Let me clarify that. He gave up his privileges of Omnipotence is what I mean while retaining His nature/character as God.
Thnx.

DappaD:
Answer me YES or NO. Everyone on this thread that can bear me witness that it is a very simple question.

LMAO. Bwahahaha! A defeated for running from the battlefield is trying to save face and look in charge. How lame!
Aiit. Let's make a simple deal. I'll answer you directly and then you'll answer my three innocent questions directly too, okay! Deal!

Your answer is No. Jesus was not lying. He was telling the truth. Having gave up His Godhead privileges of Omnipotence which he had in the beginning to become a servant. Thus, he became less than the Father and had limitations. Kapish!


Now, your turn. Don't be scared, this will only do you good.

Let's go back to Beginning and Ending. Follow to me Apocalypse and answer these three questions altogether. They must have unanimous answer, don't forget.
Now people watch another diversionary tactics loading. LMAO.

****I'm going to continue presenting these questions all together until any of you can attack them all together. I'm not here for rigmaroles. If you can't attack them all together, then Jesus is one Being with YAHWEH

1.) Even if creatures share any titles Can any creature have the number First (before existence) and Last (after all existence is dissolved) at the same time? Please tell us which.


Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him

Rev 11:16-18 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2.) Now with all the above, can any creature be worshipped besides God as Jesus was worshipped by the angels and all the elders fall on their faces and worship Jesus, the judge of the dead and living, even calling Him Almighty.?


3.) Does any creature have the single sovereign throne belonging to both Father and Lamb in one Being from which the river of life flows?
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and the Lamb.

***If you need help with the answers, refer to my thesis and attack it

solite3:
Are you interested in Answers or just arguments?
Rozz truth matters because you soul depends on it, Jesus said you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

Yes solite3, I'm wondering that Rozz doesn't seem interested in this answer. I've even asked Rozz to answer my question on the 3 states of water, but she doesn't. Only keeps looking around the thread. Is Rozz somebody's mole

DappaD:
There's actually no difference between DrLiveLogic and johnw47
Both misinformed churchgoers and self-acclaimed “Bible scholars”
Always recycling scriptures that don't agree with their line of thought.

Diversionary tactics won't work here sister. No time for chit-chat. Only weapons of knowledge work on this battlefield. Now go back and answer my three questions.




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