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AmazonTopaz:
In your dreams


President elect Biden.

Oh my goodness I was so right you and greylaw were so wrong fake predictions and prophecies you were seeing

Tamaratonye5:
Likewise. Welcome back

[1] Is ordered a binary variable? Like True/False? If so can you give an example of something that is not ordered?

[2] If ordered isn't a binary property: what exactly are you comparing the universe against, to see that it is ordered?

I suspect you are using ordered as a weasel word

GreyLaw:
A ot of kids who don't know anything quoting me, but I will not reply. I dont have to, you know. And oh... they just ordered a complete recount in the state of Georgia citing excuses of narrow lead and machine error. Whatever, the counts don't matter at this point.

Biden and co walked into a trap hatched long time ago. I will NOT talk about it here until it is time. All of you quoting and throwing insults don't have a clue and as a result just throw angry words around. Your knowledge about world politics, zero. You knowledge about the ramifications of a Biden win, zero. Your knowledge about the bigger plan, zero. And I am not talking about litigation and court processes.

Please quote me if Biden steps his foot for a second in the White House as president. Let the media count and say all they want. Let them even give him the 270 electoral college votes needed, It wouldn't matter in the end. 99.999% of you here don't even have the faintest clue what I am on about and yet you come growling at me. I am having fun.

We will discuss it later here when it's all out in public space.

GamalNasser:
Na wa but I doubt this because states produce their own ballots

sonmvayina:
TEST FOR CHRISTIANS

Why did God want a son?
Choose one answer or write your own.

1. God loves children.
2. God always wanted a boy.
3. God wanted someone to look after him in his old age.
4. God wanted someone to carry on the family name.
5. God wanted to kill him when he grows up.
6. None of the above, it's all a very silly story.
7. Add your own idea below.

kingxsamz:
So which of the gods did the supposed ex-atheist come to realize its existence?

Dantedasz:
@emboldened,

NO!!!

rottennaija:
I downloaded this morning and watch all. In my opinion, non won. Both talked from their point of strength while minimising their failings. This was especially true of Pence.

But truth is, Pence was more matured in this debate than Trump and I keep wondering why republicans have trump running for office instead of Pence.

Pence is a classic politicians and he was very good in dodging questions and skirting about issues, real issues. He was asked if he believed climate change is real, is dodge it (I'm guessing he does, but doesn't want to contradict his boss)

He completely avoided talking about the pandemic response task force which is boss gutted but spoke of early travel bans (which he claimed saved lives but encouraging people to wear masks would have save more lives)

Pence was a typical politician. Very composed (unlike his boss), very respectful but also very evasive.

LordReed:
I don't know what he wants us to do with this. Some pastors have left the faith does that persuade him?

planetx:
To those saying this a hoax and a political calculation on Trump's part need to explain how this news benefits Trump. This news has totally upended his campaign for reelection, if you think Trump will give up his large campaign rallies for at least the next 14 days to pretend he has Covid you obviously don't know Trump. if the White House could have hidden the news that he was exposed to Covid they would have but it was broken by Bloomberg news and they had no choice but to confirm.

RandomGuy48:
Firstly, I notice that the prophecies that were true were fairly obvious things. Back in 2018, it was obvious that Barrett had a high chance of joining the Supreme Court, either back then or in some future year.

Kamala Harris was less obvious but his prophecy about her is more vague... note he doesn't say she would become vice president or anything specific, just the vague that she would somehow be important. It should also be noted that other portions of that prophecy have yet to pass.

And the rainbow one doesn't mean anything... rainbows can happen after rain and rain occurs at the White House. A rainbow was eventually going to show up.

But the mark of a true prophet isn't that they manage to get prophecies right. It's that they don't get prophecies wrong. If you make a lot of prophecies, some are, by simple statistics, going to come true.

jmoore:
Preadamic age ended in annihilation?
That's a complete misleading interpretation.

Proven scientific facts? There are assumptions and there are facts.


Imagine you being present 2 seconds after Adam was created and you have no idea God created Adam. Equipped with the latest MRI technology, you would calculate that Adam is probably 25 years old.

You see the error in the model? Adam was not created a baby. Adam was created a man. Adam skipped the baby stages.

Many creations by God both living and nonliving things skipped the 'baby' stages.
Therefore, there is probability of an error if we keep calculating the past with a model that starts from a 'baby' stage.

angelfallz:
Thank you for your reply. Also, i'm glad that at least someone out there knows and acknowledges that society subtly robs men off their masculinity.

However, i need to correct some misconceptions you have about the red pill.

In your 2nd paragraph addressed to me, you made mention of being against teaching men how to treat women. The red pill, does not teach men how to treat women. Rather, the red pill, teaches men how to imbibe the alpha male mindset, the red pill, teaches men to make themselves their mental point of origin ie self improvement. The red pill, also teaches men how to spot women's hypergamous nature and the games women play in our inter sexual relationship dynamics.(i'm sure you have heard about wives denying their husbands sex or girlfriends denying their boyfriends sex)
In a way the alpha male mindset makes a man selfish, in that he looks after his own interests first, before considering others.
Just like i told bukatyne, the alpha male, is a lifestyle, its not a title, you can't pretend and you can't fake it(at least not for long)
You are also correct, in pointing out that, sane women would naturally submit to a dominant man, no argument about that. Where you are wrong is in thinking that it requires psychological manipulation from the red pill to get a woman to submit. The red pill does not teach psychological manipulation.
Once a man imbibes and lives the alpha male mindset, the natural submission of a woman is a given, no force is required.

In your 3rd paragraph addressed to me, i agree with you. That kind of man is what you call, a leader of men.

Lastly, i still strongly recommend that you read, "The Rational Male; Positive Masculinity" by Rollo Tomassi. Just google and download it for free.
I recommend this book because it isn't a watered down version of the red pill that has been floating around, also, it would help you come to your own understanding of the red pill Praxeology.
I know you have many other books to read, but, who said you can't read two books at the same time?

God bless you.

Biglittlelois:

mariahAngel:
I'm....

MuttleyLaff:
No one expects you to hide behind "God sees in mysterious ways"

God, by default, is Mysterious. Even in Yoruba cosmology and mythology, His essence and nature is beautifully captured, the best, in being identified and called "Eledumare" or "Olodumare", of which, the portmanteau Yoruba word, when loosely translated means, the Owner or Custodian of absolute energy and infinite mysteries, who has knowledge of all blessings, so God being Mysterious, and expecting human beings, His creation to "ask, seek to know, unravel mysteries" about Him, blessed us with the brain, which isn't an ornament to decorate the body with, but is this powerfully built processing functional gift, given for a purpose, reason and such a time as like this, other than sitting on our hands or folding the hands, resigning to "God saw it all ..."

We write our own scripts by living life, with our interactions, from making choices, from taking decisions et cetera. Also, the way you play the hand you are dealt, is how you write your own script.

Of course, unlike human beings, God being Omni-Know-Everything, Omni-Know-All, being Omni-See-All, Omni-Nothing-is-Hidden-From-Him et cetera

Please be fair and stop making unrighteous judgment(s) YOU cant back up

1/ Did God not warn A&E about not eating the fruit from the TKGE?
2/ Is that really not doing anything?

No, it best sums up, what an unappreciative person with a disturbing soul you are, laying accusations on God, making negative comments about Him and doing all that, without considering the fact and truth, you don't at all, have the entire low down and precise details of the whole matter. Instead of treading carefully you are throwing caution to the wind, taking swipes indiscriminately at God. I guess you have forgotten about how Job too was mouthing off before God cut him down to size with realities

Lucifer, being a product of creativity, had a right to exist. Creativity must be allowed to express itself. Lucifer would be what Lucifer would. The only thing that was holding Lucifer back from being the Lucifer, he turned out to become, was simply because God's presence or better still, God's Hand was off Lucifer. All along Lucifer was perfect in all his doings, but the minute God lifted His Hand and turned His back, injustice, unrighteousness and wrong was found in him as he stopped to meet God's standard (i.e. he sinned)

Now, my dear confused dot com beloved brother friend, the good news, is that the sin situation problem God foreknew about and is what exactly He was set out to resolve once and fully, not to be a problem with all its baggages anymore.

Maximus69:
Just recollect how your TRINITY Dogheads made you a confusionist until DrLiveLogic came to your rescue!

Blabbermouth:
Your misunderstanding is not my fault.

Somehow you seem to be the only one seeing me jumping ships. Again sir, you are twisting words to satisfy your self.

LMAO. I never said God Forthtold Lucifer to fall. Once again, you couldn't comprehend my simple sentences.

Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha.... As if I've never seen these bible verses:
Psalms 97:2 "Clouds and darkness are round about him: righteous and judgement are the habitation of his throne"

Where did he see those "Darkness"? Perhaps he went to borrow 5 yards of darkness from the Devil.

The darkness in this context is not the same meaning as the one in...

I speak not as a Man.

If I come over to your house and beat you almost to death with a club, and I said it is Good or Ra'ah. Will you organize a party for me? Every Ra'ah done outside the will of God is the one God judges you for.If I come to your house and beat you to death with a club (following God's order), as a man, that is "Ra'ah" to you but God will tell me kudos for it. So you see now, When God said "know Good and evil" , He still was not exceeding his nature.

Smiles.... That was God's confidence in Abraham and there was nothing like foreknowledge there. The same confidence I have in my wife that she will not cheat and I wrote her name boldly in my will.

The same confidence God had in Job when he struck a dare with the Devil. Learn something from the Job, God and Devil saga - "Lucifer(fallen or not) knows God far more than you do, yet He entered a dare with God who knows already what the outcome of a dare will be. Who does that?!

If God foreknows future, Lucifer in all his time in heaven would be aware and he won't even accept the dare. However because the account of Job's faithfulness/faithlessness is undefined and nonexistent, Lucifer believed he had a shot.
Answer this, a book said God tested David to count the population of Israel and he fell into it. Another book said the devil tested David to count the population of Israel and David fell into it. A. Who actually tested David?
B. Why was He tested?

C'mon stop that thing! Ah ah? Moses said he "Know" not"foreknow". Don't try to help Moses claim what he didn't say. Again, do you remember what happened when Moses was only for a while away with God receiving the tablets? What did Israel do? So you see again, that's not foreknowledge. That was Moses' confidence in Israel's infidelity the moment they have no able leader present. For the record, the people did fairly well under Joshua.

Gen16:10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply your seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.
Who multiplied the seed? The Angel or YHWH? C'mon don't go off board trying to sew science with Truth.

Again? You said "Infinite means everything possible and more, nothing left out"... Whose definition is this? Ha ha haha As far as I know, infinite means "unquantifiable ". I.e God's knowledge cannot be defined by a finite number.

Which laws? State them before you make outrageous claims!

Would it shock you if you don't see Judas in Hell? Let's not go there, the talk is not for today.

Smiles.... Wherever you don't understand, ask them before you concote blunders in your assessment. My view does not make God evil, even 1%.

Lol. As if those people were saints. They are all of their father the devil, where do you want them to be? In quarantine?

In other words, ask to know if you got a person right before you misunderstand him.

8a/ Another poor assessment.

From someone who did not interpreted Isaiah45:6 well. Where did I say "God only declares" ?

Hahahahahahaha I wasn't even the one that brought up the Isa 46:10. Concerning your stance, you can state them. I learned from everyone's stance, I will definitely learn from yours.

While on that, tell me why you preach the gospel if only some people are destined to listen according to some sci-fi foreknowledge. Do well to answer that please.

Have you forgotten that we all have a copy of the same bible?
Romans 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died.
How does this prove a foetus.

Tundetunapaa:
I have a female friend that I really respect so much, very decent young lady. She came over to my place today and as a responsible person I was not thinking of anything funny. But just a little play and contact with her I started having rock solid erection. Did I add that this girl is extremely beautiful. I couldn't control myself around her that I started behaving funny. She left feeling disappointed because she trusted me. I am also aware of how a woman uses lack of self-control from a man as a tool of manipulation. So how can a man cultivate the habit of self-control because like a nairalander always says, a man with self-control has solved 80 percent of his problem. Thank you

mariahAngel:
You initial comment implied that it is normal. Is it?

bloodofthelamb:
Well detailed.

bloodofthelamb:
You are simply saying that there was a time in the existence of God that He was without wisdom. This is the implication of your theology. Jehovah witness is simply saying that wisdom which is one of God is not eternal as He is.

You are simply saying that God was simply foolish and without wisdom until he created and produce it. You are saying that God's wisdom is not eternal as God is. We all can agree that wisdom is the one speaking in Proverb 8 or do you disagree? If this is so, then God is not self sufficient.

Emusan:
Which one is your own opinion?



This is good since you boldly say it's Jesus speaking, now let's look into the text of that Prov 8 and see if it's not YAHWEH Himself speaking.

ANALYSIS OF PROV 8

10 Receive my (Wisdom/Jesus) instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.

Where was Jesus ever issue instruction in the OT? No where we only know about Yahweh instructions.

13 The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I (wisdom/Jesus) hate.

We all know only Yahweh ever said to hate evil, pride and arrogant people.

15 By me (wisdom/Jesus) kings reign, and princes decree justice.

16 By me (Wisdom/Jesus) princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.

This is what only YAHWEH know for not any created being.

17 I love them that love me (Wisdom/Jesus); and those that seek me (Jesus) early shall find me.


This even nailed your dull brain because it's only YAHWEH people have been SEEKING not a created being, doing so will amount to idolatry.

18 Riches and honour are with me (Jesus); yea, durable riches and righteousness.

Whereas it's only YAHWEH who possesses RICHES and Honor.

21 That I may cause those that love me (Jesus) to inherit substance; and I (Jesus) will fill/bless their treasures.

This is your Jesus claiming to be the one blessing people the only prerogative known about Yahweh throughout the OT.



That's why we've been telling you that it was the ETERNAL WISDOM of Yahweh speaking there not a created being, that was the time YAHWEH BROUGHT FORTH His own wisdom to create heavens and earth which is the reason Yahweh can authoritative says He created heavens ALONE and BY HIMSELF.



But the same person speaking said

"26 While as yet he(Yahweh) had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he( Yahweh) prepared the heavens, I was there: when he(Yahweh) set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he(Yahweh) established the clouds above: when he(Yahweh) strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he(Yahweh) gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he(Yahweh) appointed the foundations of the earth:

When the speaker can simply say, "When I was commanded to establish the clouds above or I was commanded to appoint the foundations of the earth."



How does this relate to John 1:1?

All these verses in the scripture that confirmed Jesus deity always hitting you people hard.



Another Mumbo jumbo!

No wonder, divorce is rampage in your midst and even parent can prevent their daughter from marrying another witness.



The same family that hates each other but only pretending to love each other in the Hall.

At least you agreed it's your demonic organization who CLAIMED JESUS is Michael and not the Holy Scripture.

Blabbermouth:
If God said Lucifer was perfect, then that means He didn't create Lucifer foreknowing that Lucifer will fall. No! God didn't declare that!

1/ According to you, creation(Lucifer and co) will produce realities alien to God's original state and therefore the end will not be as the beginning since Satan and evil are alien to god's original state of existence?

Blabbermouth:
God's darkness is light still. When John Said "God is light, in him is no darkness". Here he was talking about the kind of darkness associated with the devil. In all sense, the darkness of the devil is a phenomenon.

Blabbermouth:
IS GOD ACTUALLY OMNISCIENT?
Just as the case with His omnipotent ability, the omniscient ability of God is also confined by the NATURE OF WHO HE IS. God is light, He is Life, and He is Existence Himself, therefore darkness, death and nonexistence cannot be found in him.

2/ You've changed your stance again. Now, God knows evil you say. Before you said he knows nothing outside his nature which excludes darkness, death, evil which are all the absence of his light essence?

Blabbermouth:
You do not know the difference between " Ra'ah" and "Rasha" that's why you confused yourself and thought I changed my stance. God knowing Ra'ah is not Exceeding his nature, Ra'ah is not Rasha! Go and see Psalms 136:9-22.

3/ So God grows in knowledge and gets to know things he didn't originally know. Your god is a learner?

Blabbermouth:
You had better take that nonsense last sentence back. God's ground state knowledge is Infinity. If you add 100,000 to infinity, what do you get? Infinity! Divinity (i.e Divine Infinity) does not increase with human knowledge. God Himself said to Abram - For I now Know. If you ain't happy, take it up with God for saying so. Answer this when you are replying me. Before God foreknows and after he foreknows, has he increased in knowledge?

4/ If your stance is that God updates his knowledge with our actions, then God is not a constant and the end of God is different from his beginning. This is breaking the laws of the universe. Do you agree to this?

Blabbermouth:
Which law? Who wrote the law? That's the problem, you are trying to stitch science with Truth. God is a constant Infinity not a constant finity. If he was finite in his ground state, then he increased in knowledge. If he was and still is infinite, there was no increase. You got warped from Trinity where you thought God the Father can be limited to a person. Smh...the uncalled for "mystery" you are inventing is causing you a lot of problem.

You keep avoiding the crux of the matter. You claimed God doesn't know our future or end before we create it.
5a/ How then does he reveal the destiny of Esau and Jacob who had not yet made choices in the womb?
5b/ How does he also tell of Judas Iscariot's destiny , before his birth and his choices, Acts 1:20?

Blabbermouth:
By declaration. The office of a betrayer was Declared by GOD! No literal person was destined to occupy the office. It could have been Peter, Paul, John, James, anybody! But Because God has declared it, someone must fill in that office. God isn't foreknowing anything, he is declaring them! Yet here you are trying to force an illusion into reality. Did he ever tell you he looked into time and saw Judas betraying? You seem not to know that it has been declared since the OT.

No literal names, yes, but you have not answered my question. There are those who are outside the city who are not in the lamb's scroll of life.
6a/ Are these people not existing? If so, your stance that anything God didn't forthtell, is nonexistent is false?

Blabbermouth:
The lake of fire is not in the city. So what are saying? How is the stance false?

6b/ and who brought them into existence?

Blabbermouth:
They were never extinguished before. Invalid question again.

6c/ If it was God that declared them into existence, then it means his word which declares according to his nature of only good has been overturned by them? God's word has failed then or
6d/ if God created them and none can undo what God does, then how were they able to end up in a reality opposed to God's foreknowledge.

Blabbermouth:
It's like you interpret the book of revelation in a way different from everyone. Don't assume we have the same interpretation and start asking questions with no base.

I wonder when you're gonna stop repeating this mantra of "absence of light" like some new revelation.
7/ You keep contradicting yourself as expected. You said only we and God have the ability to create our end which God doesn't know before it is created. Now these people have created realities and an end against god's nature. So it means the end is different from the beginning and from god, again.

Blabbermouth:
Which people? Those in revelations? How did they Create it? You will just come from Pluto and ask questions on earth. Sorry sir, we don't work with the same constant of gravity

Like I said until you understand God's state of existence, you'll keep getting things mixed up.
Psa 139:11-12 If I say "surely the darkness will cover me", even night will be light about me. Yes the darkness hides not from you but the night shines as the day. The darkness and the light are both alike to you.
Learn not to mix up contexts. The only meaning here is that the darkness is as visible, rather than obscure, to God as light.
8a/ Meaning God knows darkness just as well as he knows light, not that God's darkness is light. This is already against your stance on foreknowledge?
Isa 45:7 I form light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YAHWEH do all these things
8b/Here again, it says God creates both all the good and evil, light and darkness.

Blabbermouth:
Misinterpretation happens when you don't know the difference between " Ra'ah" and "Rasha"

8b/ This is also clearly against your stance concerning predestination which is supposed to only be according to God's solely good nature?

Blabbermouth:
Making claims without content. How am I against my stance? Show it!

Blabbermouth:
IS GOD ACTUALLY OMNISCIENT?
Just as the case with His omnipotent ability, the omniscient ability of God is also confined by the NATURE OF WHO HE IS. God is light, He is Life, and He is Existence Himself, therefore darkness, death and nonexistence cannot be found in him.

The point is you used this to strike out God knowing the end from travelling through time to the end, which you labeled foreknowledge, but that he only knows the end from the beginning, i.e. creating it or forthtelling.
9/ Now do you accept that God also has foreknowledge of our end apart from forthtelling?

Blabbermouth:
The point is, the lots of Christians misinterpreted Isaiah46:10. God never said "foreknow", he said " declare ". You lot then try to help God claim what is not true by cunningly interpreting declare as foretell.

10/ As for your stance on the foetuses. You're really kidding, aren't you. Does any foetus go to hell, like during an abortion or a little baby that dies, since these haven't chosen Christ?I hate baseless opinion.

Blabbermouth:
Show me a single bible verse that shows anything gets saved and goes to Heaven without Christ.

Summary: Your position leaves many gaps, loopholes and contradictions as expected because you've not correctly defined god's original state of existence and still think in normal human terms.You said so.

Blabbermouth:
The word of God is consistent with mine.

Cooldude234:
There is this babe I like. Unlike other girls who I just see as sex partners this one is different. She is very intelligent and well mannered. She is the only girl I've ever met that can match me intellectually. When I have conversations with her she actually makes me reevaluate my views. She's very informed and very open minded. I'm also very attracted to her so you can understand how I feel about her.

But the problem is she has a boyfriend. I know I bleeped up in telling her that I'm falling in love with her, which is true. But I shouldn't have gone that far. But I've talked dirty with her many times sha. I've told her all the things I'll want to do to her. But this girl is too guarded and she's a virgin. She dey do like all this church girls sef. But in secret she's has dirty thoughts which she's told me about.

From our conversation it's obvious shes not in love with her boyfriend and probably not even attracted to him that much. She told me she used to be very sexually attracted to me but she has buried the desires. When we talk and I get sexual she tells me to stop because she is getting wet. Last time she saw me she was gushing about how cute I am. But yet she says she doesn't want to get sexual with me because she doesn't want it to affect our friendship.

I'm finding it hard to read this girl's intentions. Although I want to have sex with her, I still value our friendship as well and wouldn't mind taken things a step further with her if the opportunity comes..

Blabbermouth:
I write to you not because you know not the truth but because you know the truth and in it is no lie. I engage you sir, not as one who is without the holyghost but as one who has the spirit of Christ in him. There was one very shocking thing I sensed from the context of your reply to me and it very much answered why we will at many cases interprete the scriptures differently.

You believe "God is Good and Also Evil(just like the Devil)". You believe " God is Light and also darkness(the devil's kind)". If we Go on and on, that would mean "God is holy and also Unholy". Also, " God is righteous and Unrighteous " still. You should remember that all unrighteousness is sin here through. This is the lens in which you read the scripture and thereof interprete from it.

You penned Isaiah 45:7 I form light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YAHWEH do all these things

Then you interpreted it without essence but just letters as:
"Here again, it says God creates both all the good and evil(I believe you mean the same Evil we say the Devil is), light and darkness(here again, the same darkness we associate with the devil)."

I should at this point let the word of God do more of the talking:

1John 1:5 "....God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

If we interpreted this with letters and not essence, then Isaiah 45:7 contradicts 1John1:5. Go read that short epistle of first John and see John by the unction of the spirit painting the Devil as the Father of darkness and God Almighty as the father of Light. Is the Holy spirit now a liar? God forbid! What then is this?

It's the differences in our perception of what " light" is and what "darkness" is. Just like Heat and Cold, cold is not in its purest essence different from heat, no! Cold is Heat at <0°C (this is subjective though). So darkness is the same phenomenon you get when you get to a particular spectrum in light. In it's purest form, darkness is light still.

Also, did you notice that Jesus down to his disciples never at any point used "Unjust" , "Evil", " Dark" and the likes for God? What shall we say then, the OT God is different from the NT God? God forbid!

Hebrews 1:1-2 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the prophet

2. Hath in these LAST DAYS spoken unto us by His Son........"

In the Old testament, God is speaking to humans through human vices, thus, God would condescend to your realm and speak to you as though He sees things like a man.

That was why Joshua would say "Sun stand still!"... We both know sun literally has been standing still so is the Bible now a story book? No! It was recorded that from an human perspective that " the sun stood still " ... Should God then bring Joshua into the most holy place and start teaching him astronomy? There are many cases I could point out from the old testament that confirms what I am saying to be true. This is what many atheist do not know and I am ever grateful that Sir. JesusJnr2020 did perfect justice to that recently.

When Christ came (C'mon here, you yourself called him "God-Incarnated"wink he wasn't speaking anymore as one from human reality, no, as the gap between God and man has been closed by Christ, so Jesus directly expressed heavenly realities on earth. Nowhere did he call himself or call God " Evil"(that version that is in similitude with the Devil's). Nowhere did he call himself or call God "Dark"... Neither did his followers.

Now Sir, let's see what Evil is, Let's see what Darkness means from a human perspective:

Evil is synonymous to " immoral" (oxford dictionary)

To kill a human being is evil

To steal from a neighbor is evil

To take children and women as slaves is evil

To have sex with a woman who is not your wife is evil....

Do you know or have you forgotten that all these same things are also Good?

The same God that told the Israelites "Thou shall not kill"... In the same book commanded the same Israelites to kill/stone anyone that practice witchcraft? What shall we say then, since killing is evil, is killing a witch evil? Ha ha, you see?

That same sex with another man's wife that is evil becomes good when the man dies and the woman gets married to you.. What shall we say, that you committed adultery? God forbid!

Evil is not a new concept, darkness is not a new concept. Cold is no different from Hot, it is not a new concept.

What shall we now say, that God has no knowledge of how to kill(since " killing " is evil? Ha ha, you see? Is killing not evil(to humans), is killing not also Judgement(to God)?
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Also, don't mistake the Hebrew word " Ra'ah" which means "calamity" for "Rasha" which means "moral wickedness" (that evil associated with Satan).
The word used in Isaiah 45:7, Lamentations3:38 and the rest is "Ra'ah" which is "Calamity" NOT "Rasha" which is "moral wickedness". You can check Hebrew documents or use ESV. ESV uses " Calamity" not "Evil"!
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That Evil you speak of(Rasha) is not some new reality, it's a phenomenon under the same "Evil"(Ra'ah) which in all purity is still Good. Now, that might sound puzzling, but it's simple.

If God tells you to "Kill that woman!" and you killed her, to a human that is evil, but to God, that evil is Good because he willed/commanded it and you OBEYED!(Ra'ah)

If you "Killed that woman" outside God's will, whether it looked Good to every other humans or not, to God, it is that EVIL HE CALLS EVIL!(Rasha)

Let the Word of God speak again:

The first time, Moses was instructed to "strike the rock", he struck it and water Gushed forth, to God it is Good and to the Israelites also, it is Good.

The second time, he wasn't instructed to strike but he struck anyways, still, water gushed forth and they drank. To the Israelites, it is " Good " but to God, it was not!

Do you notice that Adam didn't even know what "Good" is?
Did you notice that there wasn't a separate fruit for knowledge of evil and good? We only have the "tree of knowledge of Good&Evil". Now compare this with realizing that there was no Tree of Life&Death and also no Tree of Death, we only had the Tree of Life. Ha ha, you see?

1/ how Light had to produce a light(lucifer) that produced darkness. Where then did the darkness or its possibility arise from, if its grandparent is Light without darkness.

Blabbermouth:
A perfect potter produced a perfect pot. The pot having freewill dropped itself from the table and cracked from the impact on hitting hard on the floor, thus, the perfect pot became imperfect. God (who is light) created Lucifer (light bearer). Lucifer by free will separated himself from the source of light, thus Lucifer became dark.

2/ Also what does God then mean by claiming to know good and evil in Genesis 3:22.

Blabbermouth:
God knows what it is for something to be Good, He knows also what it is for something to be evil. The knowledge of Evil does not make you evil.

3/ after a sinner chooses, does God then know the sinner's present and also his end which according to you isn't part of God's foreknowledge?

Blabbermouth:
Yes He does. However, I wasn't supposed to answer you.

4/ If he then knows, has he then updated his knowledge and become more than what he initially was? and yet many other questions.

Blabbermouth:
I can ask you the same question that before God foreknows and after He foreknows, has he updated his knowledge? He spoke to Abraham after He laid Isaac on the altar saying - Genesis 22:12"And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him for now I know that thou fearest God, seeingthou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son".. That's the word of God himself.

5/ how God predicts the future of both the good and the evil, like Jacob and Esau etc., before they even make their choices.

Blabbermouth:
Israel going into Egypt is God's orchestration. Abraham being a father of many nation is God's orchestration. When He declares, will he then have no knowledge of what he has declared?

6/ whose names are not in the book of life and why do these people exist since they are not part of God's foreknowledge.

Blabbermouth:
No literal names were written. To us, Christ died 2000+ years ago, To God, Christ died before the foundation of the world. His realm is NOW! No later, no tommorow.

7/ and how they could create a reality that didn't exist in God. Is the end then different from the beginning?Those that believe in future are those who will have an error with this. The end of a point is the same as it's beginning.

Blabbermouth:
Which reality? You still don't get it, you can never directly create darkness, if you want darkness, take light away.

8/ What is meant in Isaiah 45:7, how God forms light and creates darkness and good and evil.

Blabbermouth:
The psalmist said "Light and darkness are the same to you". God's darkness is Light. God's evil is still Good.

9/ As for his case with Isaiah 46:10, he ended up just replacing God's forthtelling with foreknowledge which are twodistinct attributes of God and he does both. Forthtelling is how he brings his foreknowledge to play in this movie.

Blabbermouth:
I did not replace anything. We all agree that declaring is predetermining and not foretelling.

Meanwhile, let's do a quick one on whether Jesus is angel Michael.

Joh 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made

So we know from above the history of Jesus from before creation, we see that He was with God and created all things in one Being with God (I'm coming to this creation part when I clear my table, lols.)
Do we find in any part of his history that he was made an angel. No.
He had never manifested anywhere at all but remained hidden in God's bosom. When you go down this history and get to verse 14, we find what happened next.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Does anyone see anything about the Word being an angel in his history here before he became flesh because I don't. All I see is He was with and in God and from the bosom of the Father, he came out as flesh through a virgin. He never manifested before then and surely he never manifested as an angel.
But we know Michael has always commanded the warring faction of angels and had always been visibly active.
And what does Paul say about if he manifested as an angel?
Also, learn to look at the context of verses to get the meaning the author intended.
Now read this slowly again and stop robbing your poor soul.
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil
Heb 2:16 Because doubtless he did not take on the angels'(meaning angel's flesh from the context); but he took on the seed of Abraham(Human flesh)

The point clearly being made is that he never took the flesh of angel's but of men. Sheesh!
Yep. Paul didn't mince words about it, he never took the form of an angel but only the seed of Abraham. Just as John said, from being with God in the bosom of the Father straight to taking on flesh or becoming flesh. Why that? Because God wanted to put the world in subjection to man and not angels. That's why he never manifested as an angel but only as a man.

Heb 2:5-7 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

Some of us need to carefully read the bible. The whole of Hebrews 1&2 was written to show that Jesus is not an angel but greater, the only-begotten from the Father's bosom for that matter. Only means only, duh!

How then can Jesus be angel Michael who has and will always be an angel and who was never called by that name when we know the Word only took on flesh of men and never angels.


I also see many aren't tired of the shallowness of quoting verses of after Jesus became a Son and using those to separate him from Father. There was no such distinction when He was the Word before he became flesh as the Son.

Blabbermouth:
DrLiveLogic, the challenge was Proof that Jesus was "Divinity become humanity" with the OLD TESTAMENT ONLY!

#5 Creator of Heavens and Earth vs created angels (is Jesus an angel?)

Chapters 1&2 of Hebrews were written particularly to point out that the Word is not and never was an angel but the creator who took flesh of mankind and became the only begotten son. It is a shame that after Paul's painstaking effort, some mischievous fellows still dubiously claim that the Word is angel Michael. I have already begun treating this but will continue where I left off. Paul quites the OT prophecy below

Psa 102:22-27 ...when the people are gathered and united, and the kingdoms, to serve YAHWEH who subdued His power in His way and cut short His days. They will say, "O God, who were taken up in the middle of your days, yet your years are from generation to generation for in the beginning, you laid the foundation of the earth and the heavens are the product of your hands. They'll perish, but you'll remain. Yes! They'll all wear out like a cloth and as a vesture you'll change them, and they'll be changed while you are the same, and your years will have no end"

Here, the psalmist describes how the nations gathered to worship God, YAHWEH saying that though his earthly days were cut short, in reality, he lives on because he cannot possibly die who is creator of the heavens and the earth and the psalmist also shows that rather than creation putting an end to Him through the cross, he is the one that will rather put an end to his creation and change it like we change clothes i.e. you can expect Him at anytime he chooses to put an end to all he has created including angels and create afresh like how we take off old clothes and put on new clothes.

Paul cites this prophecy by the psalmist, to prove the son is the uncreated creator while the angels were only created, as he shows that to the son, it was said that he is the creator but of the angels it was said that they are created beings
Heb 1:7-12 ...and in fact concerning the angels was said, "who makes his angels spirits and his attendants a flame of fire" but to the Son was said...also, you, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of earth and the heavens are a product of your hands: They'll perish but you'll remain and they'll all wear out like a cloth and as a vesture you'll fold them up, and they'll be changed but you are the same, and your years will not fail"

So Paul proves that the Word who became flesh and then the son of God, who was also crucified is obviously the YAHWEH worshipped by the nation's gathered in the psalm and fulfilling the prophecy
According to Paul and the prophets, the Word is one Being with YAHWEH

Blabbermouth:
Please sir, do me the favor of stating them out 1,2,3...9. You can copy and paste it again, but this time, directly and orderly.

Refute?! Do we have a disagreement before? I read it, why should I (with no aim) refute it?

Torrrr.... I still don't understand, should I oppose you because I want to pick up an argument?

#4 WORSHIP OF GOD
To Hebrews, worship and service of any heavenly being are one and the same thing. Also, some christian sects today claim that there are many gods apart from YAHWEH. Even if we claim God's angels or men are also called gods, at least we can agree that YAHWEH commanded that He is the only god among all the "gods" to be worshipped and served.

Exo 20:2-5 KJV I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

The Lord Jesus himself said to Satan:
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve

Clearly worship/service of god belongs only to YAHWEH.

Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him

But above, we see that YAHWEH who commanded that He alone be worshipped and no created god also commanded that all the angels worship Jesus Christ because the Father and Word are one Being. Obviously, God is not contradicting Himself.
Now watch again!

Isa 45:21-23 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I YAHWEH? and there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

YAHWEH who also calls himself Saviour, the same title with Jesus, declared that unto him alone all must bow the knee and confess to for no there is other god besides Him. The Romans adopted this very concept and made people worship their emperor's by bowing the knee and confessing to the Emperor/King. This worship which includes the knee bowing and tongue confessing is only for YAHWEH, the emperor of the Universe.
But to whom will all knees bow and all tongues confess?

Phi 2:10-11 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

It can be no clearer that YAHWEH and the the Word are one Being as god as by comparing the two above texts. And to bow and confess to Jesus as Lord/Supreme is to glorify/worship the Father at the same time because they are One Being as god.
We see also in the following text that the Father and Word bearing the title "Who is , was and is to come" (shown in #1), who as one Being will judge both the living and the dead, (shown in #2), that are on one sovereign throne (shown in #3). It is this Father and Word who are worshipped by the elders in heaven as One Being and both called the Almighty.

Rev 11:16-18 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

We also know Israel worshipped and served YAHWEH. A good question is who did the apostles worship and serve? Should they serve an angel or any created being. If so, they are idol worshippers.

Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
James boldly declares that he is a servant of God and Jesus Christ because they are One Being and he is not an idol worshipper therefore.

See also who Paul served
Phi 1:1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:
Paul served Jesus Christ (Also Romans 1:1, Tit 1:1)

Once again it is clear that YAHWEH who alone is to be worshipped and served is One Being with the Word who is also worshipped and served at the same time.

Q.E.D. Let's move to another prerogative of God.