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martinskelly:
Hahaha ; some people ehn, if you don't take your time to analyse their contextual writings, someone might get confused along the way.

The manchi said God gave humans same message but humans try to weave their own into it, this kind of people say this kind of things just to want to abolish or hide the truth when even Jesus said "yea shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free".

Follow sound doctrine dem no gree hear.

I pity dem, make dem dey feel like say nothing dey happen till e happen e go b like film for their eyes.

It is written they are like the idols they worship so they can never ever hear

QuinQQ:
I hope I'm not discussing with some sort of a %$#
WHERE IS THE STRAWMAN??! Simple, if Adam is ultimately not responsible for his choices, how can you punish him for the choices? ?! If he were given a different type of brain or exposed to different experiences, his choice would have been different. Example, if Eve ate the fruit and dropped dead - just example.

Here's what you wrote:
"as it does not matter whether you knew or not when your child failed/passed common entrance."
Whew!!

It's like your medicine has finished.

Was your objection not "Adam had no knowledge of good from evil"? Only to change post after i answered you to "Adam did not create himself nor was he the one that gave himself the type of brain".

And now, yet again have you changed post to yet another stupi... question saying "how can you punish him for the choices"

What else is this woman being prosecuted for if not for her choices?
disclose your source of morality as an atheist. Simple
https://www.nairaland.com/8746369/anambra-woman-sexually-assaulted-kids

And yet you ask "WHERE IS THE STRAWMAN??"

You clearly are not well as usually atheists are

martinskelly:
See, God is not a God of confusion, He is a God of process and orderliness.

God starts from a point A to a Point B and still be at point A meaning He is here and still in is Throne because He is not bound by time Omnipresent.

Before I proceed, what do you describe yourself as? because I don't want to say which religion are you!

Haven't you seen that, that guy is speaks like one who is ma...? He's a drug add... who got knocked

ifenes:
Religion made one very powerful promise: suffer or obey today, enjoy your reward after death. The interesting part is that once you die, you cannot return to tell the rest of us whether the promise was genuine. This is genius 😂

The interesting fact is that when you have cancer now, and long before your demise, you would have prayed desperately and hotly up to the operating death table. 🤣

QuinQQ:
You carefully avoided the fact that Adam did not create himself nor was he the one that gave himself the type of brain that would arrive at the conclusion that the thing to do was to eat the fruit. EVERYTHING Adam did was entirely a result of the type of brain he was given and the type of experiences he was,exposed to - none of which he chose!

You also carefully avoided the fact that long before he was created God already knew he'd eat the fruit!

This is you setting up your own version of argument and committing a strawman fallacy. No one said Adam created himself and gave himself his brain.

Also, it does not matter whether God knew or not exactly as it does not matter whether you knew or not when your child failed/passed common entrance. That is not the issue.

So all your arguments are strawman fallacies

QuinQQ:
The topic is "Atheist Source Of Morality".
One can be very moral without input from religion whatsoever. Some also can be very immoral despite religiosity.
If you bring up a child that he should never steal because it is wrong. He won't steal. Adding that God would punish him if he does is icing on the already baked cake!

This is still a departure from the topic.

The question is disclose your source of morality as an atheist. Simple

puremaker7:
He does not them and he gave me house at first....hope you are not a lawyer? 😂

Since you admit that it is house he gave you house, it is rent he is supposed to return to you.

And the agent and lawyer told you that you would pay them agency and agreement, so go and collect money from them. Infact tru tru go and tell the landlord say you won collect agency and agreement make hin kukuma call the agent and lawyer make dem answer you as your sense don loss

Iamsane:
And you go school o..6 months quit notice is the legal minimum. Same day Ke. Nawa o.

That is not correct. Tenancy is a contract and The Law says you can't force a contract. Na jus say landlord no won go court

immortalcrown:
Going by your logic, only farmers should pay tithe and tithe should not be money. Going by your logic, pastors will not pay tithe.

Meanwhile, you have not answered my questions. As Jesus did not work or farm, did he collect tithe from farmers and workers?

What does not come from farms? Even engineering comes from oil farms.

Go and read the law, even
the levites are to pay tithes, so pastors too are supposed to pay tithes

immortalcrown:
Killing animals for atonements was a commandment before the coming of Christ, should it continue since Christ said we should keep commandments?

Did Paul not answer you that na you won bring Christ down again to die for you?

And I told you, did The Law say that it is you who would do the killing of the animals?

QuinQQ:
Is it religion that gave you a conscience?
I am tired. You folks should read this below and research more on the natural state of human condition without input of religion.

China is officially an atheist state (not just anti Christianity). You can't be in CCP if you hold any religious beliefs or belong to any religion

See now you have moved post to "religion that gave you a conscience". Who said that?

Who wants to join CCP? Even here in Nigeria Christians don't join power thieves is it now China's power thieves who have no regard for human rights and Rule of Law?

Please

QuinQQ:
Your video/write-up is truly hypocritical. Just one example, Adam had no knowledge of good from evil, did not even know he was naked, yet he was supposed to outsmart a wise, cunning serpent, and that after he clearly saw his wife eat the fruit and not die but instead became wise. Not only that, it was already known this was what he'll do, like, destiny. And after he did it instead of giving him a warning as a first-time offender who knew no better, not only was he punished but his entire generations!

In the other thread you claimed you were a Christian only to show how you are true atheist by your lying.

That aside, do you need to know good and evil to play/not play with a 16ft crocodile?

No

And was Adam accused and charged with "Not knowing good and evil"?

No

He was charged for knowing obedience and disobedience and choosing to listen to his wife in disobedience to God.

And you can't play with a 16ft croc, like the boy who climbed into the lion's zone recently and claim first time offender.

AngelicBeing:
The members of the religion section of nairaland are angry with you because you are always and often HARD and unapologetic to so many doctrine in the Bible including the issue of Women/ Eve, and several Doctrines in the Bible, and they are planning to permanently banish you to live in planet Jupiter for 700 Trillion years ooooooooooo hahaha 😂, so watch your back oooooo hahaha 😂

Life go tire them if after i reach Jupi, i still post.

triplechoice:
You didn't directly answer QuinnQQ's point. He said empathy, social instincts, reasoning and culture are the sources of morality. I agree.

Instead of responding to that, you posted a list of written codes But written codes aren't the same as moral capacity or moral knowledge. Even the Christian Bible says Gentiles without the law have the law "written on their hearts" (Romans 2 :14-15)

The list you provided doesn't prove all morality comes from God or the gods. It only shows what ancient people believed, or were made to believe about the source of their moral codes. You haven't provided evidence that any god actually gave them.

And since you included Yahweh in the same list, by your own standard, that's just another belief too.

So I ask, What evidence do you have that Yahweh actually gave the Torah, apart from the belief that he did.?

He did not say that they are the "source of morality" rather he said those reasons explain and dictate why atheists have and acquire the morality they claim.

Also, there was no "were made to believe about the source of their moral codes" in those citations as those societies know and have the sources of their beliefs. So, this is you commuting the fallacy of adding extraneous material to your argument all because you want to counter his own argument.

Neither is he to provide the god who gave them or Yahweh. That is you committing the fallacy of asking him to prove than the case requires all because you really have no valid argument to make.

So, in the end you have not made any valid argument only committing fallacies in the name of trying to argue

QuinQQ:
This is one of the most ignorant posts I've read on Nairaland. Was it religion that made a father take care of his family, or a mother tske care of children? Was it religion that prevented people using other people as protein? Was it religion that made people form friendships and look out for each other?
China is officially an atheist state. Why don't they all kill each other because of no religion?

Why do you deceive yourself? Who told you China is an atheist state? Do they not still practice their Taoism and budhisim and their old religious festivals even today?
So because their present dictator king is ruling them with an iron fist and restricting/quashing Christianity is what makes him an atheist? Did China just fall out from the sky? C'mon, don't talk rubbish.

And yes, Law is a religion and from religion hence why it is religion that says a father/mother has a duty to take care of his family, children and that they had no rights to carnivore other humans.

QuinQQ:
I sm a Christian but I think this is a rather poor angle from which to attack atheism. Is religion the source of human empathy, evolutionary social instincts, reasoning, and shared cultural agreements??...!

See, you are doing exactly what he said atheists do which makes them hypocrites for he has put away his own belief in Christianity and in religion as the best basis of morality to ask and to ascertain what is the basis of atheists morality.

The focus now is on atheists to show us their foundation of morality belief if at all they have one.

And the answer is SILENCE.

Therefore, in the absence of any valid opposition, religion is winning and atheism has no basis of morality as his threads prove

ghettochild:
lol. Only Willy Willy tormented me as we were never allowed to watch it but it was for a while on the nights it was aired

Ah! My people warn me oo but from back of curtain i chook i go see willie willie dey do piauwn. And from then hin pursue me.

And you just reminded the end of ichelle, sorry willie willie. One day he came in boarding school and i face am, i no run, catch am, beat nonsense comot for am na im disappear. I was even looking for him and being so angry that I moved and my movement woke me up. Ah! That was when I started fighting them back in the dream or at least try to.

Eba50:
what is ur definition of brothel and what is ur definition of friends ? compare with invasion of privacy

You know the definitions and it is still invasion of privacy when people are having sex in the park and they are arrested and prosecuted

martinskelly:
I tire for dis kind of humans o, just look at how ignorant the Op can be.

In wanting to commit atrocities, they will always find a one-sided ignorant loopholes in whatever they think religion is and put their bias and naive unreasonable over analytical ideas in pushing their useless narratives to suit whatever lifestyle it brings whether good or bad.

Anyhow people.

Very anyhow people. Their delus don't let them think and because most people are guilty like them, they want to spread their delus to make living comfortable forgetting that even if they get a billion people to join them in delu, they still will never be secured exactly how many kidnappers and thieves are, they must always fear the day police will arrest them, so no peace for the op whether one or 100billion

immortalcrown:
You are obviously confused.

I said that the coming and the death of Jesus Christ ended the necessity of tithe. Can you prove me wrong? Did Jesus Christ pay or collect tithe? Did Jesus Christ tell anyone to pay or collect tithe? Answer these questions if you are right.

The place you quoted is in the old testament. In the same old testament, people killed animals as sacrifices or for atonements. The coming and the death of Jesus Christ ended the necessity of killing animals.

My point is clear.

You deflected saying "Go and read your Bible and see whether you are to pay tithe or not."

I know that you are thinking that Christ came to null The Law even when He clearly Said that He was not doing that nor was was He going to do that.

Did Jesus work or have any farm that He should pay tithes?

How would Jesus tell you to pay tithes when you have thrown out the "weightier matters of Law and Judgement" Mathew 23:23?

Further, did He not say
"but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."(Mathew 19:17)

Even the coming (birth by Virgin) and the death of Jesus Christ (unblemished lamb) was in full compliance with The Law, so these things are settled and clear for any who truly wants to walk with God.

AngelicBeing:
Hian, Female abbatoir, Female slaughter slab, Female Suya joint, female garden of Eden, Female point and Kill house, nawao oooooooooooo mucheche oooooo hahaha 😂, huh

na true na.

ceejay80s:
No vex, I only attended unipetrol, I no go unilag,
Explain the last sentence

Bros, even unilekki, dey dey passionate about their rights forget say right dey finish enter another person own.

For the last line, na type of wrong argument people take dey use take argue something

puremaker7:
Have your ever paid an house rent before? Because you should know that everything are paid together to the account of landlord or the agent

Is it not for your money security and certainty of contract that you paid everything into the landlord's account?

If you pay into the agent's and lawyer's account and the landlord says he doesn't know them, has your money not entered one chance?

Truthseeker10:
What is the meaning of what you wrote? Answer the simple question below.

So how many adulterers have you killed as stipulated in the mosaic law?

See how you are getting angry because I am giving you answers you do not know nor expect.

Did you not read The Law to see what it said?

Am i people?

And look at the people around are they not adulterers?

Even before Christ came did you not read what God Said about them in Hosea 4?

So God is already dealing with them and has dealt with them and we all see it everyday, so by Hosea 4, their case has been transferred to the High Court and is no longer with the jurisdiction of the people's court aka customary court.

Truthseeker10:
So how many adulterers have you killed as stipulated in the mosaic law?

I'm i people?

And look at the people are they not adulterers?

Even before Christ came did you not read what God Said about them in Hosea 4?

So God is already dealing with them and has dealt with them and we all see it everyday, so i no longer have that duty.

Emeskhalifa:
U guys think that's how the law works??

That is how the law works just that no one wants to go to court.

puremaker7:
hope he will also be able to refund me the exorbitant agent and agreement fees?

Is it the landlord whom you paid agency and agreement to? No.

So, go and meet them agents and lawyer to collect your money

ceejay80s:
That's music, and it's only when u play loud songs, we all know that,
No landlord has the right to tell u who comes to visit u, if there's a police station near u or u know a lawyer, just verify from them, what ever u do in ur rented apartment is ur business as long as u don't damage the landlords property ,
Una topic just dey tire me for nairaland,
I should have no friends simply because I have a landlord or rented his apartment

Same thing, a girl or 2 is permitted but not when they are too much that it is beginning to look wrong and that you have turned the landlord's house to a place of immorality. You should expect complaints from your neighbours, street and the landlord just like the effect of playing loud music.

This is just a Straw Man Fallacy and Appeal to Extremes Fallacy

herich:
Unless you've never enjoy Freedom before.

There are millions of apartments/compounds that you enjoy absolute freedom.

As far you pay your rent, participate in sanitation exercise, pay waste and other general bill... Nobody will get your time.

How can you rent a house, lives alone and still go book hotel whenever you have visitor.

The problem is... Some landlord will want to absolutely lord over their tenant or determine how you live your life, just because you rented their apartment.

The bold is a Straw Man Fallacy and Appeal to Extremes fallacy. The argument is about turning a landlord's house into a brothel and a place of immorality.

And of course landlords who go beyond their rights are entitled to be challenged. And again housing court would put him in other.

pafestula:
A true follower of Christ indeed, wishing others stage 4 cancer because I refused to join your brainwashed lineage. Because I refused to succumb to fake promises made by the whites while they have their own paradise right here on earth. I am going to end my life in HELL FIRE. Are you okay now MUNGUN?

O Now you are crying about cancer and you did not remember that you are going to meet your ancestors.

So would it be on that day and it doesn't not matter whether it is cancer or accident or building collapse or husbandicide that catches you. The important is that on that day all your delus shall run away and you would see hel very clearly as the conveyor belt rolls you into it.

Further, you have nothing to refuse since I never invited you to join me and can never as God does not and cannot have people like you. Lai lai and that is why you abuse Christians as you already know that you can never be a part of it.

And that is why when i told you what your tomorrow must deliver to you, you started shouting and insulting me even when the main show has not even begun.

As i said all this is jealousy and you lamenting the loss of your life.😭😭😭😭😭😭

emmyN:
No, he can't.

Who told you he can't? It's right there in the Law. Tenancy is a contract terminatable with immediate effect under certain conditions.

It is just because a special housing court has not fully being made here where in one month a tenancy matter is concluded and in the next week, the sheriff's of courts come to throw out a faulters things into the street

ceejay80s:
The landlord has no right,
U don't tell me how to drive a car I paid for,
All these rubbish always happen in Nigeria, when u travel to europe u will see that landlords and tenants have their rights

The landlord is not telling you how to drive your car, he is telling you don't drive it anyhow in his road. That is the landlord's right everywhere even in Europe as proven by the fact that you cannot even do a simple thing as playing music very loudly there.