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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists And Theists, How Will You Handle This Scenario? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:12pm On Dec 20, 2022

jaephoenix:
This never happened in Israel. Guess you haven't bothered to read their history before

Is that how much you deceive yourself? Even the person I answered knew it was True and therefore did not raise it up.
Secondly, if it was not True all my enemies here would have immediately called me a liar. So, nothing for you.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:02pm On Dec 20, 2022

Aemmyjah:
Don't shift the goal post
We're discussing that verse in isaiah
From that verse, what does it mean that Jehovah created calamity?
That's he's the source or responsible for all the ills that befall man?

I did not leave the issue, I answered it and you had nothing to say except to say "God is Love".

Therefore I had to showed you Love means Law and Law means Rule.

And in this God's Rule we can see that an evil thing is good in the Hands of a Good Person while a good thing is evil in hands of a bad and wicked person, as God's Law and Rule has set it to be over us His Toys.

And I know you got it. You just do not want to accept this Truth exactly as you have shown that you resist any fact which does not key with whatever idea or fact you choose to believe.

Therefore, this is you trying to find how you can counter it. So you are technically stalling if not you would have asked questions arising out of my response.

But because you see the Truth and you do not like this Truth, you are now stalling and trying to act as though you did not understand my response.

People swallow greedily any lie that flatters thrm, but sip only little by little at a truth they find bitter. Denis Diderot

The truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable.James A. Garfield

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists And Theists, How Will You Handle This Scenario? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:38pm On Dec 20, 2022

jaephoenix:
You always put up that decoy when you're caught. We're not fools

No I don't. Every issue must be properly disposed before a fresh issue can be raised. That is The Law of valid arguments.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:06pm On Dec 20, 2022

Aemmyjah:
If your understanding of that verse makes you think that God who is personified as love should be the author of evil, your god must be cruel indeed...

Love also includes Law

And Law means Judgement.

And where there is Judgement, there is just is.

And where there is just is an accused is either going to be praised or shamed.

Thus, you do not know God and what it means to be God!

And here is the understanding.

Surely you had seen acids, tobacco, cutlasses, stones, phones, wood?

And evil thing is not evil in the Hands of The Good. and a good thing will be evil in the hand of the evil.

Why?

Because of Law.

There is Lawful use of evil. eg poisons used for making batteries, soaps, perfumes etc.

And there is an unlawful use of evil eg using wines, sex, water to killi a person.

So you see, A Creator Rules Absolutely and as a Ruler He decides what shall happen His Toys (Law Making) whether beneficial (good for them) or adverse and harmful and destructive (not good or bad for them).

That is what it is and that is how it is, and every toy is under this Law. It is not even a take it or leave it. Once your creator creates you, immediately His Law takes effect.

Christianity Etc › Re: Religion ,atheism ,and Men's perspectives Concerning God. by Dtruthspeaker: 6:05am On Dec 20, 2022

LordReed:
Naa, yours is the distorted reasoning here. Even your bible says the sea creatures came from water so I dunno how you twisted your reasoning so thoroughly.

Change of post! We ain't talking about sea creatures coming from water

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:57pm On Dec 19, 2022

Aemmyjah:
As for me, like the psalmist, I say 'What is man...'
He has made us a little lower than the Angels
He made me in his own image
He sent his son to die for me
He gives me life and every good thing
He's done good for me, doing good for me and in the future, great things he'll do.
We don't do wonderful things for toys or anything we invent
We can show our love for him
We can pray and worship him
We can draw close to him.

Same as your mannequin is made in your image and likeness

And you people have died for your toys eg cars, phones, wristwatches etc

And you people have done wonderful things to for your toys eg giving them a hot bath when dirty (cars), blessing them with the finest things of life like wearing your phones gold and diamond studded clothes. etc.

Aemmyjah:
God did not program Man to demonstrate obedience and loyalty like ROBOTS

As long as you admit that God programmed man, like man programmed his toys, then my case proven.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:48pm On Dec 19, 2022

LordReed:
LoLz. More like nowhere.

More like a where.

Christianity Etc › Re: Religion ,atheism ,and Men's perspectives Concerning God. by Dtruthspeaker: 10:38pm On Dec 19, 2022

LordReed:
Not even your bible makes this kind of distorted reasoning. LoLz.

Because your reason is distorted completely by evil that you can not see what is in front of you that there is no need reasoning with devils like you.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:32pm On Dec 19, 2022

Aemmyjah:
So your god is the author of evil right?

Obviously The God of Isaiah 45:7 is not your God. Noted.

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Knows The Greatest And Highest Commandment? by Dtruthspeaker(op): 10:29pm On Dec 19, 2022

azammi:
read your Bible very well and stop opposing the truth because you want to look wise ask the Holy Spirit to help you see.

Saying I should read my Bible very well does not answer the question I have put to you and your dodging it just proves I am right.

So, please answer the question if you can "Is it not Christ Who Spoke in the Exodus 19 and 15 I gave that is in the Bible?

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:22pm On Dec 19, 2022

Aemmyjah:
...
Who planted the greed in the woman? It was Satan...

Remember what they told you when you reported that it was Bayo or Dafe who told you to eat the fruit?

They said "why did you not tell him to get out?"

Satan is guilty for counseling the commission of crime but she was guilty of the actual commission of it.

Then she got herself infected with the genetic disease called evil thereby corrupting all her seeds with evil.

So, she was already guilty of sin even before evil entered and took effect.

Anyway this was in answer to you saying that "Evil did not enter the world by means of eating the fruit of that tree" whereas the records clearly shows that it entered only after their eating of it

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:15pm On Dec 19, 2022

Aemmyjah:
A toy is always manipulated to do the will of his Master whether good or man.

So also can God control you to do His Will.

Aemmyjah:
If what you're saying is true, then God is to blame for all badness but you're wrong cos man is fully responsible for all his actions and he will reap what he sow, not his Maker

It is True neither are you to blame when your mannequin against your express and implied commands, goes about killing other mannequins and burning their houses, even burning the House you gave them to live in.

That is what is called "Strict Liability".

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:10pm On Dec 19, 2022

Aemmyjah:
Gee
Chop knuckle first
As I de hail u so
I just de wait for me and you to meet

Aemmyjah:
According to your illustration, it was God that made the virus called sin right?

Not sin! Evil.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:08pm On Dec 19, 2022

LordReed:
And where is that?

Anywhere!

Christianity Etc › Re: Religion ,atheism ,and Men's perspectives Concerning God. by Dtruthspeaker: 7:07pm On Dec 19, 2022

Speaklove:
Is this a rhetorical statement or what ?

There was no question in my post.

Christianity Etc › Re: Religion ,atheism ,and Men's perspectives Concerning God. by Dtruthspeaker: 7:05pm On Dec 19, 2022

LordReed:
How can the the thing living in water be based on land? LoLz.

Water stands on land not on air.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:57pm On Dec 19, 2022

LordReed:
Where are such people?

Any where God kept them to be.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:33pm On Dec 19, 2022

LordReed:
So why didn't the god just create such people in the first place?

Who told you He does not have such people in the first place?

And now He is doing a different thing. Promotion and demotion things which ever apply

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:30pm On Dec 19, 2022

kingxsamz:
This was what the OP asked and you people mentioned freewill.

Now, I asked if there's freewill in heaven and you guys said yes, meanwhile, you claim one cannot commit sin in heaven.
So this only brings us back to the OP's question. Why would your "good god" create creatures who have potentials to commit sin?
Why didn't he just make them incapable of sin just as it is in heaven?

The op did not ask about heaven.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:23pm On Dec 19, 2022

kingxsamz:
Lol, okay.
So someone goes to heaven, do they have the freewill to assault somebody?

See devil! It is always a bad thing that must come out from your mouth

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:21pm On Dec 19, 2022

TenQ:
But God wanted to CREATE a free Man.

It was the PURPOSE for Creation in the first place!

You are right.

I am just trying to raise up the awareness that the opposite option is also there.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:17pm On Dec 19, 2022

hayoholla:
. Incorrect bro. If there's no such thing as a computer "system", how will a computer virus exist . Try harder next time.

That is the power of a creator. This is a chicken and egg scenario.

A maker can create a computer virus first before making the computer or create the computer first before making the virus. But which came first, only the creator or creators can tell us.

But your answer was a change of post o for he did not ask whether a computer was made before or after the virus.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:11pm On Dec 19, 2022

TenQ:
When the manufacturer creates the laptop computer, does he load it with virus?
OR
Virus get into the computer because the USER connected an unverified software source accessing the computer?

If he wanted to, nothing stops him.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:04pm On Dec 19, 2022

Creations are only free as the Extent/Limitation their Creator has given them.

Jokerman:
Freewill is an illusion.

No freewill, you'd either end in the lake of fire, or be with Jesus at the new earth and heaven, after this life choices.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:45pm On Dec 19, 2022*

Aemmyjah:
What am I saying and what are you saying?
You're ignoring the main thing
Freedom of choice

You are not giving God His Full Respect which is where all this liability issue commences from neither do you fully appreciate The First Good Gift He gave us, which is the Power of Life and Eternal Life even like a mannequin that lives forever while being aware of his environment.

Which upon due consideration, you find that you are no different from a non living mannequin of which your manufacturing processes reveal that you started that same way being unloving.

So take a second and remove all the evil are you not thankful that you are alive to experience what living is?

If you appreciate this, then you would see that this is where our responsibility/liability for ensuring our living also commences [b]which is that you are not permitted to Die!

WHICH IS THE FIRST LAW OVER MAN. Which is why God warned him to avoid the only thing in this box called world which could kill him, which is, that particular fruit EVEN SATAN COULD NOT KILL HIM.

Hence, complete and absolute obedience to that Law was the only and most important thing he needed to do to continue living, foreverly.

Christianity Etc › Re: When Agnostic/atheist Ask For Evidence, This Is What We Mean by Dtruthspeaker: 2:20pm On Dec 19, 2022

Workch:
Testimonies, especially those in churches are still claims that need to be verified.

Because you said it doesn't mean it's true

I confirmed you are right I just only pointed out that testimony means oral evidence.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:18pm On Dec 19, 2022*

Aemmyjah:
Stones talk?!hmm.

You don't know God! grin

You thought He was joking when He Said nothing is impossible with Him. It's there in the Bible

Aemmyjah:
...They're programmed to do just what the Maker WANTS them to do.

And you are doing what your Maker (God) Programmed you to do just as your robots are doing what you programmed them to do.

Robots and mannequins are your own toys, you, plants and animals are God's Own toys.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:13pm On Dec 19, 2022

Aemmyjah:
Evil did not enter the world by means of eating the fruit of that tree
You're really funny.

Haba! Don't deny The Truth because you do not want to accept it.

You saw and we all see that they became evil and proved they were evil by doing evil ONLY AFTER THE FRUIT HAD BEEN EATEN?

You do not aaccuse your wife of pregnancy and cheating until AFTER she must have had sex with another man.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 1:55pm On Dec 19, 2022

Aemmyjah:
Choice. Don't ignore choice
Toys don't have choice

The other day you told those atheists that you and animals specifically monkeys are the same save the software of talking.

And guess what, just as you are liable for your choices, they too have the same liability.

Also, remember, even the stones talk.

Just as you have your dumb mannequins and talking mannequins, so also are you a toy to your Maker!

You are still a toy irrespective of whether you are self operating robot or mascot.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 1:33pm On Dec 19, 2022

Aemmyjah:
So the Creator is responsible for every behavior of man including good and bad right?

You have left the issue. I was showing you how toysy and roboty man is and not not taking about the liability of the Creator.

Are you responsible for your mannequin killing other mannequins or blowing up the their toy houses? No

The Law of Strict Liability. If you did it, you are responsible for your doings.

Christianity Etc › Re: If You Don't Want People To Go To Hell, Then Why Have Children? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:24pm On Dec 18, 2022

Templee333:
please try to read and understand

I do understand and I wish to say more but I respect your right to hold onto wishes.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:21pm On Dec 18, 2022

TenQ:
Of course, evil was external to man before it was installed by mans choice (even though, he didn't understand fully the implication that the infection will takeover his life)

Careful, there are 2 different causes here. Male Adam's crime was because he listened to his wife rather than continuing in his usual obedience to God, going by The judgement of The Judge who heard and tried the matter.

Female Adam's crime is many such that God did not conclude her trial. He adjourned it sine die.

Which led to my investigation hence this thread.

https://www.nairaland.com/6319053/when-eve-charged-court-charges

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