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Christianity Etc › Re: If You Don't Want People To Go To Hell, Then Why Have Children? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:10pm On Dec 18, 2022

Templee333:
hence the reason i choose to opt out of procreation. Even though i don't believe the fiery hell tales, this present world is the hell itself and i don't intend to bring more sufferers into it.

How funny. You say this present world is hell yet you do not believe in it. grin

Christianity Etc › Re: If You Don't Want People To Go To Hell, Then Why Have Children? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:03pm On Dec 18, 2022

Wilgrea7:
...Why would you choose to bring more people into the world, knowing quite well, that they'd eventually that the vast majority of them would eventually end up in hell, at least according to your scripture?

If you truly believe in your scripture, then why would you knowing partake in something that would eventually lead to mass damnation?

I await some interesting answers

Because there is no punishment for not wanting people to go to hell.

Qualification for hell is not dependent on whether you failed to prevent people from going there.

If you are already going to hell, you are agoing to it already and there is no vicarious liability for other people choosing to go hell as you did.

They had/have the same opportunity as you did of not choosing to go to hell for you too are somebody's child/children also.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:57pm On Dec 18, 2022

TenQ:
The virus is in the strange unauthorized software source external to the computer and installed because the boy wanted his independence.

WHY didn't you complete the script?

My point was evil was external. We all saw how it was introduced and installed into man

Christianity Etc › Re: When Agnostic/atheist Ask For Evidence, This Is What We Mean by Dtruthspeaker: 9:49pm On Dec 18, 2022*

Workch:
This is how to make evidence, you don't just make claims and then boom, you expect us to believe it. It has to be tested. Testimonies are never evidence. It's more and more claims

Testimonies are what is called "Oral Evidence" subject to many tests before they can be taken as True and Proof of Truth!

Christianity Etc › Re: When Agnostic/atheist Ask For Evidence, This Is What We Mean by Dtruthspeaker: 9:45pm On Dec 18, 2022

LordReed:
The world cup ended hours ago. LMAO.

I don't care for your circumstantial evidence, it means nothing since it can point to nothing of substance. You are free to conjecture all you want but know that that is all it is and it doesn't convince us.

Now that he has pointed you to an admissible evidence which proves Truth, called "circumstantial evidence" you are running.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:36pm On Dec 18, 2022

Aemmyjah:
Show us where the Bible said God kept evil in a fruit.

Look na, you would see that you do not see evil anywhere except in the fruit in Genesis 1:29.

Aemmyjah:
If so, where does the wrong desire come in?

From why Satan needed man to eat the fruit.

Aemmyjah:
Satan did not eat fruit but he was already evil.

Satan is not man na, who was given the Commandment do not eat the fruit of that Tree.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:28pm On Dec 18, 2022

Anormalguy:
I don’t understand this part. Perhaps you are referring to something related to the Adam & Eve story. Please clarify.

Yes! The ability to do evil all starts with Adam and Eve AFTER THEY BECAME SICK BECAUSE THEY ATE THE FRUIT CONTAINING THE VIRUS CALLED EVIL.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:26pm On Dec 18, 2022

TenQ:
You got a computer for a young boy, installed all the softwares he needed on it with a simple instructini. "Under no circumstance should you accept ANY softwares from anyone to avoid risk of infection."

At this point, is the computer virus infected?

No!

Where was the virus then?

Outside the computer.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Atheists And The People Of The World Attack Christians! by Dtruthspeaker(op): 9:09pm On Dec 18, 2022

Blakjewelry:
LOL easier said than done, your belief today is as a result of years of mental conditioning.

"We each walk the paths that we have chosen" DMX

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Knows The Greatest And Highest Commandment? by Dtruthspeaker(op): 8:56pm On Dec 18, 2022*

azammi:
You really need to pray for the spirit of revelation and read the Bible with your eyes open . You are just here arguing what Christ said with his own mouth . You are arguing blindly .

Is it not Christ Who Spoke in Exodus 19 and 15?

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Knows The Greatest And Highest Commandment? by Dtruthspeaker(op): 8:07pm On Dec 18, 2022

azammi:
I think you will need to read the New Testament very well cause according to Christ our only law is to love one another .

Christ did Say "EVERY WORD WHICH PROCEEDETH OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD" gives Life. Mathew 4:4

So, is Exodus 19 and 15 and others not Words which proceed out of The Mouth of God, just as the ones He gave to Moses?

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Knows The Greatest And Highest Commandment? by Dtruthspeaker(op): 8:01pm On Dec 18, 2022

azammi:
According to Christ the New Testament believer only have one Commandment “Love one another” fulfilling this command is fulfilling all the commands .

See that word new testament is blocking people from seeing that Christ even sent everyone to The Commandments which He Himself gave to Moses.

And by this referral to The Commandments, it therefore means that we are under The Commandments which is where the first Commandments, Commands Love.

So, this is not a problem.

I have only looked beyond Exodus 20 to see Exodus 19 and 15 and other earlier Commandments and they have The Commandment of Listening and Obeying God.

Which of course would naturally come first for in the first, we can not love a Person Whom we do not know.

Love always comes after we have known The Person, hence it is listening, (thinking) and maybe Obedience or Disobedience which may follow thereafter.

Which is why non Church goers and even church goers when Truth hits them, do remember in their hearts that they really do not know God so how can they love Him?

We do not love a Person Who we do not know. Love takes time to grow.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:12pm On Dec 18, 2022*

Aemmyjah:
Da!
Try and read all I wrote in that comments again
Man is a moral or freewill agent. Robot are not. Do not try to mix both together. That is why man can obey based on LOVE, loyalty, they can choose from right and wrong, obedience or disobedience.
You're the one mixing things up

Man did not make himself, robots did not make themselves.

Man has a Creator, Robots have a creator.

Man is absolutely under the power of his Creator, robots are absolutely under the power of their creator. No difference.

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Knows The Greatest And Highest Commandment? by Dtruthspeaker(op): 6:59pm On Dec 18, 2022

NNTR:
...
Fyi, you have the right to be insulted, because insulting someone is not a violation of their rights, meaning there is no right not to be insulted...

Even atheist nairaland recognises that The Law prohibits insults, surely you are evil, a child of Satan coming here to do your Father's wish of killing and destroying.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:47pm On Dec 18, 2022

Aemmyjah:
Lol
John 17:17
God's word is truth
Truth is a life and death thing so you can't tell me I chose the death choice...

As I said I have spoken my mind on your group and i respect your choice and all.i simply say is that we all know the difference between Life and Death, Good and Evil, Lies and Truth.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:41pm On Dec 18, 2022

Aemmyjah:
I just read Isaiah
How does this scripture fit in

As in, it is The Creator of a Thing Who determines and Set that which is clean and unclean, perfect and imperfect, clay and unclay and not the created thing nor its fellow created things.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:38pm On Dec 18, 2022*

Aemmyjah:
Don't forget CHOICES
iphone and others toys can't make choices bro.

Because their own gods did not give them the programme of Choice making like called plants.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Atheists And The People Of The World Attack Christians! by Dtruthspeaker(op): 6:24pm On Dec 18, 2022

Blizzy11:
Imagine if you were born into a Muslim or Hindu family. Your ideology and belief the system would not be like this. We all need to allow God to deal with the world he created and made without thinking any religion is the only way. ..

No matter our initial start point, as we grow up we all know Truths and Lies and the Truth is that any person who chooses to see the Truth in any matter, Truth has a way of showing itself.

Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away. Elvis Presley

We have all grown up and discovered dome things which we were given as Truth were lies and we even suspected and questioned them

So Truth is not blocked because one was born a Muslim or Hindu.

And the presence of threats and force are not the Ways of Truth. Truth is too big and strong and sure to threaten anyone who does not accept it. Truth does not do that but without a doubt we see that it is liars and wicked people who issue threats and promises to forcefully compell compliance.

Christianity Etc › Re: Now, With Science And Money, the Curses On Adam And Eve becomes Inconsequential by Dtruthspeaker: 6:08pm On Dec 18, 2022

jaephoenix:
Dont be a fool
Many phones don't even come with manuals.
And I believed you are a lawyer, yet you don't know what a third party is?
Some small companies make manuals for bigger ones. These days big companies outsource some jobs

These days!

Yet Nokia will not be giving you a manual for a Samsung phone no matter which third party they give the contract of making their manuals. And it is still one manual even if you download it many times.

And cars and fridges and TVs still come with one manual but you get the gist.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Atheists And The People Of The World Attack Christians! by Dtruthspeaker(op): 1:30pm On Dec 18, 2022

Blakjewelry:
From your comments it's shows why Nigeria stagnant, you see people who move and search for better knowledge as been flawed forgetting that, the default state of man is curiousity.

I don't see it as flawed I subscribe to learning and improvement. But In my learning I learnt that some learnings are completely useless and I did not gain anything from it.

And I like a great lot of things and I want to acquire them. Thus, I have learnt to pursue only thise things that I want.

Any unprofitable thing is not for me and I would not pursue it but I watch others pursue them to see if I might be wrong.

But in the end I am right, they got nothing, so I continue my pursuits.

Eg using your
"I don't steal because it will hurt me if someone takes what"

I do not steal because after the stealing, the thief even looses both the proceeds of his stealing along with his lawful possessions (and this is apart his disgrace, shame, lowering, beating, insult, prison time and death like Ekweremadu now or yahoo yahoo boys). Loss, Loss, Loss. Not profitable.

Slow and steady, happy living in and with the goods you have already lawfully acquired in peace and sweet sleep which are things I love very much

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 1:08pm On Dec 18, 2022

Aemmyjah:
When the Bible says Adam was perfect, it meant that he lived up to his standards in creation.

I know. That means he was perfect according to the assessment of his Creator, like the Rolls Royce, iPhone, mannequin etc.

Aemmyjah:
..Still God gave him freewill to do what he pleases. That freewill was not to be automatic but his choices should come from his heart. He may choose to obey his Creator or not, do what is bad or not if he wishes.

You have said the words of programming which is "God gave him" which means God set him, the same way iPhone and other toys are set in their own way.

Christianity Etc › Re: Now, With Science And Money, the Curses On Adam And Eve becomes Inconsequential by Dtruthspeaker: 12:55pm On Dec 18, 2022

jaephoenix:
No sire. I have seen no such events. If you have, please do share details

Go to the police station or court you would see how something like this happened and only one credible person saw the whole thing even though other people were present.

Christianity Etc › Re: Now, With Science And Money, the Curses On Adam And Eve becomes Inconsequential by Dtruthspeaker: 12:48pm On Dec 18, 2022

jaephoenix:
You just veered off tangent. We're talking about speculations on how we got to this earth.

And that is what I am telling and proving to you. Speculation is not evidence nor is it Truth or even proof of Truth exactly as me conjuring and speculation all kinds of connections just to stick you with a charge of murder.

Speculation and conjectures is inadmissible evidence.

Christianity Etc › Re: Now, With Science And Money, the Curses On Adam And Eve becomes Inconsequential by Dtruthspeaker: 12:38pm On Dec 18, 2022

jaephoenix:
You keep displaying crass ignorance or lack of logic anytime you open your mouth. Who says gadgets have only one manual? Some have different manuals. Some manuals you can download online, some manuals are made by third parties etc.

Even in this obvious one Dr, you still chose to lie? Who has not bought a fridge, Tv, car, generator that did not see One manufacturers manual in it where it contains one? Do you find a Honda's manual in a Toyota Camry or Samsung manual in a Nokia?

Dr no dey show say you be fool!

Boy, even in this everyday things atheists are blind and do not see, No Wonder.

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Knows The Greatest And Highest Commandment? by Dtruthspeaker(op): 12:23pm On Dec 18, 2022

NNTR:
This thread is not about whether Eve died, not about Trinity nor rapture, but the thread is about what is eternal, plus is the highest and greatest command.

The thread is clearly about me presenting God's Command to Listen and Obey God as the highest and greatest commandment for review but you raised the observation that it is not expressly stated in the Bible,.

Which you still repeated even in your present response as you are saying the bold above

So please provide a scripture that explicitly and specifically states that obedience.. (So see how you are speaking from 2 sides of your mouth?)

hence I rebut and prove that Eve's death, trinity and rapture are not expressly and specifically stated either but we see that they are there.

So, your response here just proves that you could not validly oppose it because it is True, hence your change of post!
14:15 slowly and loudly out, and tell;

NNTR:
1. [b]What comes first [/b]in John 14:15.? Is it 'love' or 'keep My commands' (i.e. obedience)

2. If you don’t love God, do you think God is honoured when you try to obey what God commands?

What comes first? That is the question I put to you When God Spoke or Speaks

Did He say Love or He Said "Listen and Obey?

When Adam was made did He immediately love God or Obey Him?

We all know love takes time to grow before we are aware of it, So Adam did not immediately love God (aside: from his acts he did not thereafter love God but he certainly loved eve and we can see how and obeyed her. Therefore, he did not love God.) But he listened and obeyed for time before his disobedience came.

You have nothing reasonable to say just taking opportunity to insult me because you are never able to validly and reasonably counter my presentations.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:27am On Dec 18, 2022

Anormalguy:
No, I did not ask my question with malice and it is my true question. I first modified the original question to fix the error then went to type another post to rephrase my original post. In addition, I was doing some things on the side.

My intention is to come to an understanding of the perfection of freewill because I believe everything God creates must be perfect in it's own way but with freewill, I cannot wrap my head around it being perfect since it constitutes the potential for evil. You have to be patient with me as I am still getting used to writing posts on nairaland.

Alright!
I answered it up

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:14am On Dec 18, 2022

Aemmyjah:
...After you, there's no one else I've seen that's not a Witness that shows same spirit but when it comes to WHAT THE BIBLE REALLY TEACHES, I don't want to be egoistic and I don't mean to insult you but you should give us that respect

Truth is I respect people who give respect And truth is, you have been very decent and respectful even we do not agree. I love and respect that.

I humbly do not like your group because of the choice of Life and Death Choice and I choose Life and run away from death, and I humbly think that some of your thinkings and practices and teachings are inclined towards death most especially when I can reasonably see that it is also fuelled by our natural wishes and desires rather than Truth. Even if I would not like the Truth, I choose that I should be given the Truth.

The truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable. James A. Garfield

Inspite of this, I'll stick take The Truth.

Half Truth is a Lie and all Lies kill, whereas Truth gives Life. And as I said, I choose Life!

Hence I am anti-Lie and and anti-death which is why I attack all Lies and death, hence my attack on your group when the occasion rises.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 5:52am On Dec 18, 2022*

Aemmyjah:
...Unlike humans, robots are NOT programmed to CHOOSE (or make choices)...

As you have programmed them to not choose.

If you wanted your robot to choose, you would programme them to choose.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 5:49am On Dec 18, 2022

Anormalguy:
Agreed but my question is why did God make us with the potential to harm and do evil which is integral in free will?

This is still the same question you said so I take it, this is Truly the question you intended asking.

First your question is not in tandem with the Truth for you impute what is not there.

God did not create us to do evil behold, He even kept evil trapped in a fruit.

Therefore, we enjoyed the advantage of being good and exercising the freewill of doing all good.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 5:34am On Dec 18, 2022

Aemmyjah:
And here we go
Go and check the dictionary meaning of robots
You did not read what I wrote well
Do you want to compare man to robots? Robots have no choice of their own as they must keep doing whatever they're programmed to do. That of man, even perfect man and angels demonstrate obedience out of love , respect, loyalty, submission and not automatic
Besides, you can compare human inventions to living creatures like you and me
I agree with your last words but I don't accept that man is a robot. Man is a moral BEING or creature. He is not 'just robot'

The bold, is man not programmed?

Is he not programmed to choose?

Is he not doing according to his programming?

Can he do beyond his programming eg fly with his natural body like a bird or stay under the sea with his natural body like a fish?

Exactly like a robot, he is bound by his programme.

Programme means Law! And therefore like the robot he is only doing what He has been Law'd to do and like the robot, he can not go beyond it

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 5:21am On Dec 18, 2022

Aemmyjah:
Hmmm
I just wanted to see the comments in the thread but the latter comments are really something else and very very unbiblical as we have this flawed definition of perfect.

Mine is not!

As God warned Peter "how can you call what He (God) had Said is clean, unclean?" (Which is exactly what the makers of the 1979 Rolls Royce will tell you)

Same warning in Isaiah 45:9

So, also can no man lay down perfect on a thing they did not create.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Point Of Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 5:06am On Dec 18, 2022

Aemmyjah:
DID PERFECTION REQUIRE THAT ADAM AND EVE BE UNABLE TO DO WRONG?
The maker of a robot expects it to do exactly what he has programmed it to do. But a PERFECT ROBOT WOULD NOT be a PERFECT HUMAN. The qualities viewed as essential are not the same. Adam and Eve were HUMANS, not ROBOTS.

Wrong!

Every creation is a robot or toy to its Creator exactly as your mannequins, cars, phones, mascots etc.

All creations are toys and robots.

Man is just robot who has been made to exercise the many powers he has been given on his own calculated choosing even up to the option of choosing what pleases him.

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