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LagosShia:
How would you feel if a "prophet" or any "man of God" call your people "dog" while he refers to others as "holy" and "children of God"?

Is it not True that you are a dog? So stop being a dog if you do not want to be called a dog.

Secondly, did you not hear that He is The Truth? Therefore, He must say The Truth.

And Truth does no wrong!

PoliteActivist:
Funny guy. I told you the verses you picked (in Ezekiel,
Mathew, and Revelation) are not rapture as popularly and expertly understood.
Now, you say you have formulated your own understanding. Of course you can define anything as you wish - you can decide that A stands for chair. Just as long as you understand it is only you that define it that way!

Then you are saying that you have no objection to my presentation only that it is not supported by the democracy.

And democracy is not what makes Truth, A Truth.

Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth. Mahatma Gandhi

And it was the crowd who murdered Jesus even when the few said that He was not guilty of any crime.

A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the crowd. Max Lucado

NNTR:
Matthew 22:40
All the Law of Moses and the Books of the Prophets are based on these two commandments..

You have said the difference in what I am pointing out "all the Law that was given to Moses and the prophets which is Deuteronomy 6:1

"Now these are
1).the commandments,

2) the statutes,

3) and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you,...

And it is these which have the first 2 commandments as the greatest for these truly run through all the commandments and statutes and judgement, where you both are stuck.

I have looked behind and under and above these commandments and I have seen another Commandment which even came before this commandment.

That is the one I have raised up and you have not addressed it. You are just stuck on Exodus 20 whereas in Exodus 19:5, there is a commandment there which goes all the way back to Genesis.

Cain also was Spoken to by The Lord. Genesis 4:6-7. He was warned

"Sin lieth at the door"

Did he listen? Some may say yes others may say no.

But did he obey?

Definitely, No!

Incidentally we see Adam male and female listened and obeyed at first until Satan made female Adam disobey then she got her husband to follow her and disobey!

Aemmyjah:
He himself said he's an Ape and of Ape family
He does not want to accept common reasoning and sense
He wants to be wise and accept SPECULATION that Man came from animals. Parrots can talk but their speech is not intelligent. Chimpanzee has every organs just as humans that help us speak but they cannot do that. How will they explain that? Besides, there is no record of any languageless group or tribe of people that ever lived to prove their evil theory

That's the power of desperate Anti Godism.

Aemmyjah:
Was having a conversation with Jaephoenix
He acknowledged this evening that 'we are still speculating how man came to be'

The keyword there for me is 'speculating'
If they are still speculating, how is their evolution theory a fact?!
Why are they abusing someone that does not agree he's an ape?
What's the basis of speculations?
What if all the speculations are later proved wrong just as it indeed is wrong from foundation?...

Exactly! Speculation means conjectures and conjectures are not Truth.

Meanwhile, we have a Nature supported Truth on ground but they are searching for another explanation.

Why, if not that it because the present Truth proves God Whom they fear and hate and do not want?

After we find the person who cooked the delicious food we ate do we go looking for another cook? No

It is serious God hatefulness that makes people search and even conjecturize options which they could use to satisfy their God hatefullness.

Aemmyjah:
..Which one makes sense?
We came from a parent stock (humans) or from animals?..

Nature sides with Truth

And nature has already shown us that animals do not give birth to humans.

So this is just a case of fallacy by using the Truth we know to lie and cover things we do not see.

jaephoenix:
Can you quote a source that says we came from Adam and Eve(outside your storybook)? I mean just one source?

That is even why the Bible is True. There can only be one source. Exactly as a car, phone, fridge tv etc has only one manufacturers manual. And we go to that one manual for everything.

Any other source must come under and after that single source which is what is already proven.

All other valid reports acknowledge the Truth that they are less than the Bible and they rather point to the Bible.

This definitely tells us the Bible's report is True.

Broveens42:
religious man
That's why I suggested people should try Friday night to align with the sweet Genesis story

I don't understand what you mean.

Aemmyjah:
I noticed
That's their way of concluding conversation
Displaying madness

Indeed!

PoliteActivist:
Well, life doesn't work that way. In a public discourse such as this you have to go by either the generally accepted or the expert. This person is an expert PhD who has spent years studying these things. As for the generally accepted, see the images below- that's how rapture is understood worldwide. Of course you can come up with your own, just as long as you keep it in your house and not bring it to forum discourses!

Sorry, can't do that.

I have seen that the multitude can be wrong, (the follow-follow syndrome) so I do my own investigation to come at my own conclusion so that stand or fall I understand all.

And I have a right just like Mr. Phd to present my own analysis for reasonable query by the public.

And going by your response you are not able to find any fault with my presentation, so I know that this is just a case of

Sipping little by little at a truth we find bitter. Denis Diderot

Aemmyjah:
Funny
Factos

You can say it again! See how 2 of them are not able to speak reasonably and how they turn into mad people when they can not respond.

Blakjewelry:
Yes I said my stand because I have been in both worlds. I was once a Christian, but I have always thirst for knowledge so I had to leave.

You mean church goer not Christ-like (Christian) and church goers are atheists who have not yet admitted that they are one.

Christians love knowledge especially profitable knowledge.

Blakjewelry:
Btw which Christian land has been invaded by atheists, I can't recall any case in history.

Here is the latest observer
https://www.nairaland.com/7476395/why-atheists-attack-only-christianity

Blakjewelry:
Scientific findings is not in anyway trying to undermine any religious beliefs but to seek knowledge truth and to better human lives, though the result of scientific research can be abuse by politicians and power mongers.

The word "findings" suggests we all can find whatever people say they found, in line with science which means "to know". So atheists should let us do our own findings, freely to see the Truth.

sonmvayina:
Which point are you making?

I just understood the source of your delusion.

sonmvayina:
God the father
God the son
God the holy spirit
God the mother(Mary )
God the devil(Satan)

What bollocks.

Oh I understand, your Catholicism fuels your insanity no wonder.

The same way that you were blind and immovable stuck on Catholicism is still the same way you are blind and stuck on the madness you like.

Argument does not cure insanity.

PoliteActivist:
Here's definition of rapture below. Please explain how it tallies with Mathew, Ezekiel, and Revelation. Which are presented in screenshots below.

The rapture is an eschatological position held by some Christians, particularly those of American evangelicalism, consisting of an end-time event when all Christian believers [b]who are alive, along with resurrected believers, will rise "in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air."[1] The origin of the term extends from Paul the Apostle's First Epistle to the Thessalonians in the Bible, in which he uses the Greek word harpazo (Ancient Greek: ἁρπάζω), meaning "to snatch away" or "to seize," and explains that believers in Jesus Christ would be snatched away from earth into the air.[2][/b]

First this is someone's thinking and understanding of it, I have a right to do my own thinking and coming to an understanding of it

And I see that they are wrong for they have mixed up "Evacuation/Removal" which is Ascension in Mathew 3:12, Thessalonians, Revelation 20:9 with rapture which is "Separation" the parable of the sheep and the goat/wheat and tares Ezekiel 9:4 which has to do with living while still alive on the earth.

Lighthouse50:
I am not saying you are not correct, infact its true but its only applicable to faithful men. No one touches the wife of God's faithful men and not get struck.

Actually, no one can touch the wife of God's elect. That is one of the guarantees.

jaephoenix:
@ the bolded, with this logic, about three quarter of girls aged 18 to 50 would have been dropping like flies, but they aint. But that's not your concern. Logic isn't exactly your strong point. Youre indeed legendary, oh great DTruthSpeaker

Did you not see up there
"But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth."?

You are so accustomed to your blindness that you do not see that some people can see.

It is very understandable that the blind do not see.

The Bible and my words is for those who see and not for the blind.

elated177:
It is not possible to love the Creator and not obey him?

You have shifted ground to what is not in contention.

Loving the Creator means the person already knows The Creator.

But when God first comes to us we do not know Him, exactly as we cannot love people who we do not know.

Which therefore means that like a stranger we first had to listen to what He has to say and think about it, then if satisfied that it makes sense, then we would obey as shown by what happened to Abraham when God first came to him as Abram and told him to "leave this place and their traditions".

Which we see that he Listened and Obeyed!

missidy:
I have not seen all these apply in real life. All the girls I know who specialized in married men back then are not dead in any area. They are not sick either, lacking financially, etc. Infact they married rich men, married abroad based men that relocated them, are on a completely new level, have enough money and are healthy. So I am not convinced.

You actually see it but you do not understand like this guy

https://www.nairaland.com/7480804/just-got-surprise-life#119158695

Look at how the women were covering up for the girl and blocking the guy from seeing.

It is as real as Nepa taking your light but now you understand why Christ Said many have eyes yet do not see.

Broveens42:
But a good number of women Don't find it difficult to conceive. Are they immune to the curse which seemed like a general curse from context?

I don't want to say more than this. You use your eyes and see. I am thankful that I noticed it early and I and my wife dodged it.

LordReed:
You no get am or you for don put am down gidigba. LoLz

Efribody don see am finish so no need.

Honchoslim16:
Then you can get tf off and stop polluting Nairaland with your sh!t

You are the one shitting and polluting this land so get out.

elated177:
Is it possible to love your Maker and obey his Commandments?

John 14: 15 “If you love me, keep my commands.

Remember God Loved us first, before we love Him back. Therefore, in the beginning, the Truth is that we did not love Him so everyone who followed God, first had to listen to Him and then obey Him before they started loving Him from then on until the relationship became very very sweet and hot.

And I know that you know that it is possible to listen and obey God before we love Him as clearly proven by Namaan who we see did not love God until after he listened and obeyed and was healed.

[quote author= post=119186616]For the sake of clarity,
Lawyers in the house,
Sharia Law versus the Nigeria Constitution,
Which is Superior?.[/quote]Constitution means the law where men are gods of their own law. And since they are gods, therefore it is whatever they say is superior that is superior.

Which is why one man can say it is sharia and another will come and say it is the constitution and another will say that they are Sharia has the same superiority as the constitution.

That is why the laws made by men called Legal always fails to do "just is" and cannot do just is because under Law, they have no right to make law (Constitution)

PoliteActivist:
Well, Ezekiel 9:4 and Mathew 3:12 were clearly NOT talking about rapture no matter how you read them.
So we are left with Thessalonians 4:17. If you read from verse 13 you'd get the picture. People alive then were expecting that they'd all see the second comming. Problem was, some of them died (as people normally die) in the meantime. So they anxiously wrote asking Paul how this could be since they were all supposed to experience it. Thessalonians 4:17 was Paul's way of consoling and encouraging them.

Mathew 3:12 and Thessalonians are the same. They are both talking about the rising up from the earth and escape from burning of the earth as exposed in Revelation 20:9 and 11.

But the rapture which happens while people are on earth is the one in Ezekiel 9:4 which has taken place.

missidy:
What of the girls that sleep with married men, no punishment for them? No wonder they marry the best husbands despite all the do. Married men can have affairs but married women can't. Patriarchy indeed started from the bible .

Girls die when they sleep with a man who is not their husband and that is when they become evil and pursuing after Satan. 1 Timothy 5 has everything

But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.

Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith. Same as Proverbs 2:16-19.

And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.

For some are already turned aside after Satan.

God cuts them off completely and they there after become devils. Thus any girl or woman who sleeps around is a devil prowling and seeking to destroy men as Proverbs 2 warns

16To deliver thee from the strange woman, even from the stranger which flattereth with her words;

17 Which forsaketh the guide of her youth, and forgetteth the covenant of her God.

18 For her house inclineth unto death, and her paths unto the dead.

19 None that go unto her return again, neither take they hold of the paths of life.

And only they that listen to God and Obey Him, escape from her evil hands and voice and sweet perfume and unclothedness.

9jamustchange:
I believe expressions such as "except a man be born again" ; " I am the way, the truth and life" and "no one comes to the father except through me" exclude the possibility of any alternative route, and deserve serious and sincere consideration by all humans! What do you think?

The Owner of A House is the one Who determines how you enter His House.

Therefore if He says there is only One Way, eg Door it means there is no other acceptable entry eg window, roof, underground etc.

John 10:1
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber

grandee4u:
There's this belief that an idle mind is the devil's workshop, but I think by this very post I have been able to rewrite such belief because I got this revelation during my quiet and inward feeling...

You said the primary answer but you did not notice it.

We sin because "the-evil" entered into us.

God made us very good meaning we were full of good.

But that evil, Satan needed us to eat him "the evil" so that he could now live in us where he now has access to our thoughts and function hence his insistence that that the fruit containing him "the-evil" be eaten.

As I always asked has anyone wondered why Satan wanted them to eat the fruit?

Obviously, he gained something from the eating of it and we obviously see that he gained access and control which is he can push us and tempt us to do things we ordinarily and normally not have done if he did not prompt and move us.

Which is at the end we see that God plans to change us and our form and many things eg no more sex (into the likeness of angels) and I believe that is also when He permanently removes DNA of "the-evil" in us so that we could be good as He first made us.

LordReed:
Just say you no see where anybody dey insult Jesus, if you get you for don put am since.

My day was cool and relaxing, yours?

We don see am tire but nobody get your time to go bring am.

PoliteActivist:
Please where in the Bible is it mentioned there'd be rapture?

Some will say Mathew 3:12 or 1 Thessalonians 4:17 which is "ascension/removal from destruction and fire" but I would say Ezekiel 9:4