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Christianity Etc › Re: ⚫⚫ Once you are Saved then you are saved forever for all Eternity by Dtruthspeaker: 4:15pm On Oct 02, 2021

shadeyinka:
Now I think Dtruthspeaker and Bishopkingsley are saying the same thing from two different point of View.

Bishopkingsley:
[color=#000099]Position 1: You are saved by Grace and Christ's atoning blood which TRANSFORM a sinner into into a person with a NEW nature that hates sin and naturally does good works.

The bold was not in his presentation at all and that was the missing element I was wondering why it was not included!

Christianity Etc › Re: ⚫⚫ Once you are Saved then you are saved forever for all Eternity by Dtruthspeaker: 4:12pm On Oct 02, 2021

awitness41:
I know you surely did, my friend.

Thank you!

Christianity Etc › Re: ⚫⚫ Once you are Saved then you are saved forever for all Eternity by Dtruthspeaker: 4:10pm On Oct 02, 2021

shadeyinka:
Its okay to disagree, however we should be careful when our emotions are making moves to controlling us: we have the Spirit of Christ.

I think you both should bury the hatchet as I believe NEITHER of you are preaching immorality.

He does not directly and expressly declare the preaching of immorality BUT

1) HE DOES NOT DIRECTLY AND EXPRESSLY CONDEMN IMMORALITY.

2) HE IMPLIEDLY UPHOLDS MAN'S PROBLEM OF BEING IMMORAL.

PLEASE READ UP ON "IMPLIED ADMISSIONS OR IMPLIED TERMS OF CONTRACT".

And because of this error, I would seriously agitated.

Christianity Etc › Re: ⚫⚫ Once you are Saved then you are saved forever for all Eternity by Dtruthspeaker: 3:59pm On Oct 02, 2021

awitness41:
Hi Max. Hi BK. Hi DTruthSpeaker. (I hold no offense to those I sometimes disagree with... nor should any of you of course, as you know.)
I hope you are having a good Bible Sabbath day today.

I know I'm coming in late to this discussion, but as for the original topic... a supposedly "Saved" man can definitely choose to be lost again.

This is a great link on the topic here: https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/17/t/can-a-saved-man-choose-to-be-lost-

Also, food for thought... Hebrews 10:26-31 (NKJV):
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.”
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

God's Part: of the Covenant: Grace.

Our Part of the Covenant: Repent, forgive, and keep God's Commandments (as summarized in the Two Most Important Commandents and the Ten Commandments).

If we do not do our part by keeping Jesus' Teachings (which also include God's Commandments), then we reject God's part (Grace), simple as that.

I don't agree with DTruthSpeaker on all things, but regarding the keeping of God's Commandments... Jesus will tell the lawless and workers of iniquity (inquity = sin = transgression of the Law of God's Commandments) that He never knew them.. meaning they will not be going the Heaven. And we can only keep God's Commandments if we Love God and others as ourself... as Jesus says in John 14:15, "If you Love Me, keep my Commandments."

It's so easy, but the lawless (i.e. not only law-breakers, but also those who claim there is no law), and pretenders who believe God's Grace alone is the entire Covenant between Himself and us... they are sadly mistaken.

A Covenant requires TWO parties to agree.
God has done His part - that is, Grace - already.
We must also do OUR part, or else we reject the Covenant in its entirety.
It's so easy... but lawless people and pretenders deceive themselves with incomplete doctrines, because they like to cherry-pick to suit themselves (or their brand of religion) and do not include all Verses on a given matter.

Anyway... I hope you are doing well.

You are always welcome Awitness. I am sweetly enjoying the Sabbath beautifully.

This is Accurately what I am saying and have been saying with the addition of "How The Law Convicts (Finds A Person Guilty)!

Because of BishopKingsley's desire, he attempted over extending my statements to cover grounds I did not address, whilst Nancy2020 took me across other grounds I did not have in scope but patronized her just to put it to them that there is no hiding place.

I confined my Response in the exact lines you presented up above.

Christianity Etc › Re: We Have Lived Enough. by Dtruthspeaker: 12:35pm On Oct 02, 2021

greenmaster:
Let me tell you something about this sun. ..

Oh boy, as you surely admitted that you have tasted madness, I humbly and respectfully tell you that you are still in it. grin

You are not yet out of it! grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: We Have Lived Enough. by Dtruthspeaker: 12:31pm On Oct 02, 2021

greenmaster:
Thanks you have to taste madness to know the truth. If not you are just passing time here.

No you don't!

You just only have to See properly think properly to See The Truth!

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Christianity Etc › Re: ⚫⚫ Once you are Saved then you are saved forever for all Eternity by Dtruthspeaker: 12:29pm On Oct 02, 2021

shadeyinka:
If a person is TRUELY saved, then he is eternally saved. This is the full truth

However, there exist some people in the church who misinterpret this to mean that because they have said the sinner's prayer, they have license to wallow in their sins.

My submission is that these ones were NEVER saved in the first place.

Unfortunately, the reality is that these kind of people are MANY in our churches.

Those who preach "Holiness without which no man shall see the Lord" have interacted with many "Unholy Grace Preachers" hence their stance.

Did you not see the Shiitty Cover he fabricated and takes upon himself in which to hide his love for sinning?

Bishopkingsley:
...
Answer ...
Rather we are only talking about those who God has saved because only God knows those that are his

Any one can say they are saved but the signs of been saved is a PERSONAL THING only you and God know if you are saved ...

Like a prostitute and a man who has just slept with someone's husband/wife even this morning will receive a warm embrace from God, if God should come now just because of saying some words last week Sunday!

Christianity Etc › Re: Independence Day: Have You Been Free From Religion? by Dtruthspeaker: 12:10pm On Oct 02, 2021

husbandsnatcha:
... You dumb slave on white chain , how can someone be slave to his own brain?
You are a slave to Jesus brought to u by white men ,who used Jesus as a tool to enslave ur ancestors for half a millenuim physically cum psychologically NOW THEY AV ABANDONED IT FOR PROGRESS AND PEACE ,BUT U ARE FOOLISHLY STILL IN IT ...shame

while he is Slave to his brain

Adulteress, they enslaved our ancestors with everything, guns, inventions, pretence, performance, sex, "education" etc.

And of course being an ADULTERESS AND PROSTITUTE how can you ever like the Bible?

Like an earthworm can ever like salt. IMPOSSIBLE!

Christianity Etc › Re: ⚫⚫ Once you are Saved then you are saved forever for all Eternity by Dtruthspeaker: 12:02pm On Oct 02, 2021

Bishopkingsley:
bye

Till next time!

Christianity Etc › Re: ⚫⚫ Once you are Saved then you are saved forever for all Eternity by Dtruthspeaker: 12:01pm On Oct 02, 2021

Bishopkingsley:
No one is permitting sin try to say the truth

Did you ever say in your presentation before I came that "Do Not Sin, no matter what?

Or no matter how hard it is to refuse sinning, don't do it?

Or no matter how easy it is to sin, do not do it?

Did you say it, even once?

No!

Did you even want to say it?

No.

You rather chose to stand against me when I came and said so.

Yet you now claim "No one is permitting sin..."

Yes, no one may be confessing the permission of sin BUT IT IS VERY CLEAR TO ALL OF THAT YOU BishopKingsley, ARE CERTAINLY NOT AGAINST IT!

Christianity Etc › Re: ⚫⚫ Once you are Saved then you are saved forever for all Eternity by Dtruthspeaker: 11:50am On Oct 02, 2021

Bishopkingsley:
Bye may you have peace

I have peace already until some one says something evil or Untrue.

If you want to give me back my peace then do not come here to speak Lies and Teach evil things!

Christianity Etc › Re: ⚫⚫ Once you are Saved then you are saved forever for all Eternity by Dtruthspeaker: 11:47am On Oct 02, 2021

Bishopkingsley:
God bless I can see you are not ready to respect me

May God richly guide you bye

This is me respecting you the least that is due to you. You ought to see what say to satanist and Ant-God (Atheists).

You can not get any greater respect from me when you do not expressly and directly condemn, wickedness, whoring, Lying, Stealing, deceitfulness, covetousness, prostituting etc and every evil condemned by God.

Christianity Etc › Re: ⚫⚫ Once you are Saved then you are saved forever for all Eternity by Dtruthspeaker: 11:30am On Oct 02, 2021

Bishopkingsley:
so if you want to talk about those who only think by saying the sinners prayer that they can continue in sin have you ever seen a real man of God permit such doctrine

Have you ever seen anyone saying continue to sin so that grace will Increase

Does a thief ever tell people "I am going to steal?" Or do people OPENLY SAY that "I am going to sleep with that woman's husband or that man's wife?"

They Almost Never Say It, BUT THEY SURELY DO IT!

AND WHAT DID GOD SAY HE SHALL JUDGE AGAIN?

ANSWER= THEIR DOINGS AKA DEEDS! (And their sayings too and Lawyers will tell you "and their non-sayings too".

Bishopkingsley:
..even those who you are talking about still knows sin is wrong now ability to stop sin is there problem

See the bold Shadeyinka, is this not the OPENING TO THE PERMISSION AND ACCEPTANCE AND ALLOWANCE OF SINS.

IS HE NOT CLEARLY SAYING

"I KNOW IT IS WRONG TO SIN BUT I CAN NOT STOP IT, SO THEREFORE, I KEEP ON SINNING".

Seeing this, how would a person who thinks this way, NOT FABRICATE a carpet which he can use to sweep his evilnesses and sins under it, then later get up from it andd tell the world that he is clean because he has swept his sons under the carpet?

Christianity Etc › Re: ⚫⚫ Once you are Saved then you are saved forever for all Eternity by Dtruthspeaker: 11:10am On Oct 02, 2021

shadeyinka:
There are two extreme positions
Position 1. You are saved by Grace AND this grace give you license to sin
Position 2. Even though you are saved by Grace, it is not sufficient for salvation AND it requires our righteousness and works for it for it to work.

Yes these are the only available options but do you not see my contention with BishopKingsley and Nancy2020 that they are upholding OPTION 1, Even Though They Do Not Expressly Say That Sin Is Permitted?

WHEREAS, I AM SAYING SIN IS EXPRESSLY AND ALWAYS PROHIBITED IN LINE WITH YOUR OPTION 2.

shadeyinka:
The proper position of the two schools of presentation is

Position 1 You are saved by Grace and Christ's atoning blood TRANSFORM a sinner into into a person with a NEW nature that hates sin and naturally does good works
Position 2. You are saved by Grace and Christ's atoning blood the EVIDENCE is a person that hates sin and naturally does good works ...

This is a Perfect and Accurate Presentation of The Truth of God which I Uphold, Affirm and Defend.

Christianity Etc › Re: Quishelor: From The Book Of Universal History by Dtruthspeaker: 6:41am On Oct 02, 2021

From one book to another. grin

Book, book book all over the place.

Instead of reading, people should learn and develop the skills of how to discover TRUTH in everything.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why Christians Will Always Have Problems With Atheists. by Dtruthspeaker: 6:32am On Oct 02, 2021

Workch:
You didn’t give evidence, you gave fallacious logic.
You should go and learn what evidence is. What you did is Toyota and HP logic and that’s nonsense.

Now you have begun to Lie and get even stupider, exactly as Foj did!

The PROOF of your existence here in nairaland is YOUR UNCONTESTED POST WITH YOUR MONIKA.

The proof of water is WETNESS, TASTELESSNESS AND ABSENCE OF SMELL.

The proof of blindness is INABILITY TO IDENTIFY OBJECTS DESCRIBE COLOURS.

The proof of a car that has gone away is the PRESENCE OF TYRE TRACKS, OIL STAINS, FUEL DROPLETS, EXHAUST DEPOSITS.

Now because you seek to lie you put away these Truths which you knew then which made you silent, that THE PROOF OF THINGS WHEN THEY HAVE GONE, IS THE EVIDENCE THEY LEAVE BEHIND.

Thats how we catch theives, Liars and all criminals all over the world who did their wickedness when nobody was there by the evidence they live behind.

So you are talking absolute rubbish. It is wiser for you to keep silent as you used to do than to speak stupidity which show cases the increase of your foolishness.

Christianity Etc › Re: Independence Day: Have You Been Free From Religion? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:02am On Oct 02, 2021

OtemAtum:
Says who?

Says The Law! grin

It's shocking you did not know! grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Independence Day: Have You Been Free From Religion? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:42pm On Oct 01, 2021*

Dodo you are still in the chains of religion grin

for you religiously speak insanities and blasphemies. grin

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why Christians Will Always Have Problems With Atheists. by Dtruthspeaker: 10:31pm On Oct 01, 2021

Workch:
Should I accept your god without an evidence?

I gave you evidence severally about 17 to 20 occasions and you could not oppose them at any of those times.

So you do not need evidence what you are looking for is how you could live with yourself now that you see that When God Comes, you are going to pay for your crimes.

Foj, happypagan and co did this same shiit when they real-eyesed that they were in great trouble with God, who was Coming, Closer and Closer such that they could even feel His Anger already on them.

You are just doing the same thing.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why Christians Will Always Have Problems With Atheists. by Dtruthspeaker: 10:12pm On Oct 01, 2021

Workch:
billynoni, can you see why we will always have issues?

Sure! Because your demand for proof of God is not really about the Proof of God but about escaping punishment for all the wickednesses and evils you enjoyed doing to other people

For if you were goodly behaved, doing good to your neighbours, living honestly, not plotting to copulate with your neighbours wife or steal your brother's property, NONE OF YOU WOULD CARE IF THERE WAS GOD OR NOT.

You would have been happy to continue in your good walking.

But because you all have all these evil plans, you therefore hate us when we tell you, that you are going to pay for all your wickedness and evil.

Christianity Etc › Re: This Is Why Christians Will Always Have Problems With Atheists. by Dtruthspeaker: 9:57pm On Oct 01, 2021

Criminals, Law Breakers and Doers of evil things will always hate those who tell them that they are evil beasts who should be and would be brought to "just is" by The Law.

Christianity Etc › Re: Dry or wet fast?... by Dtruthspeaker: 9:40pm On Oct 01, 2021

DSC7:
Are you a Christian or Atheist....

Because i did it and i feel fulfilled......

Now it sounds like you are saying you did it for you.

Have you asked what Fasting is really about?

Christianity Etc › Re: Dry or wet fast?... by Dtruthspeaker: 9:37pm On Oct 01, 2021

DSC7:
You mean as a Christian fasting is not necessary before God can answer our prayers?....

Yes! God hears Christians before they pray.

But for others they need to comply with the requirements of becoming a Christian.

Christianity Etc › Re: Dry or wet fast?... by Dtruthspeaker: 9:31pm On Oct 01, 2021

DSC7:
Closed mouth by 9pm.. .

No brush No food till 12pm next day...

Took fruits to break fast by 12pm...

By 6pm took soft drink and biscuits...

That is 15hrs daily without water and food...

Did if for 3days...Asin 3 straight days without solid food...

Normally it's Dry fasting i intend doing....

Did i get it right?....

Who were you fasting or slowing for?

If it is for God Most High, you just did a nullity,

For He never commanded a Fast or Slow or a suffering!

Christianity Etc › Re: ⚫⚫ Once you are Saved then you are saved forever for all Eternity by Dtruthspeaker: 9:25pm On Oct 01, 2021

Nancy2020:
God knows I can never tell people to continue in sin so that grace will abound we are preaching God word he gives ability to live right once you understand this then you put your faith in him and draw strength from God

why are you running from that place. I thought you were the one who holds the revelation.
Are you afraid of
ROMANS 9:9-24

The only reason why you don't know this principles is because you never read that Romans part before now try to read it in simple English Bible like living translation or icb Bible to see what God is saying there.
You are free to run away because God shows his power in that verse God was so hard and direct there that only a fool read it and still boast.

It is unfair and unjust to goad me because I refuse to have unprofitable unending arguments with you.

You have already posited that you would never listen to all I have said, so there is no point in my continuing to say more.

Christianity Etc › Re: ⚫⚫ Once you are Saved then you are saved forever for all Eternity by Dtruthspeaker: 7:24pm On Oct 01, 2021

Nancy2020:
am waiting for you to explain
ROMANS 9:9-24

Sis, I like to stick to the issue at hand and I only travelled a little further just to show you that you are wrong.

So this is a further trip I do not want to embark upon.

You have already believed what you want to believe as is in your power.

Christianity Etc › Re: ⚫⚫ Once you are Saved then you are saved forever for all Eternity by Dtruthspeaker: 7:21pm On Oct 01, 2021

Shadeyinka have you seen what we once argued about that false grace teachers have taught prostitites and liars that they are saved and can continue in their sins as long as they believe?

Now you are not here to tell them what you always told me

Christianity Etc › Re: ⚫⚫ Once you are Saved then you are saved forever for all Eternity by Dtruthspeaker: 7:12pm On Oct 01, 2021

Nancy2020:
...Earlier in Revelation we are told that names were written in the Book of Life before the foundation of the world – before the beginning of time.

For saying this, you already prove that I had said The Truth, so my work is done, for your question was not about the Lambs Book of Life.

Nancy2020:
Revelation 3:5
Did not say if you sin I will blot out your name read it well... Revelation 3:5
5 He who wins the victory will be dressed in white clothes like them. I will not take away or blot out his name from the book of life. I will say that he belongs to me before my Father and before his angels.

Did you not see the word "He who wins" in your Bible and "he who overcometh" in mine?.

Can a prostitute who has prostituted even this morning be said to have overcome or won whoring ?

Nancy2020:
God knows those that are his own before you came to the world.. Now God adding... and “All who belong to the LORD must turn away from evil.”.... Is to show them what they must do as his people and that is the characteristics of his people.

So is it the Character of God's people to go awhoring, stealing, coveting, Lying, cheating, dealing fraudulently etc?

Christianity Etc › Re: Is God Good? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:41pm On Oct 01, 2021

BeLookingIDIOT:
Hope one day someone won't see you as a snake and kill you simply because you belong to parents ,race,tribe,faith etc they deem evil...

I don't mind! (It's already coming) grin

That's why The Owner of this World has Said He shall Establish A Higher Court that would look into The Law Fullness of all these matters and deliver the necessary and accurate "Just is" to meet the cases. grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Is God Good? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:37pm On Oct 01, 2021

BeLookingIDIOT:
You're a very sick evil human and a threat to society.

Armed Robbers, Rapist, Murderers,
Thieves, Liars, adulters, bribe takers, Sex for job or grade offenders and all doers of wickedness and crimes WOULD ALWAYS HATE AND CURSE LAW ENFORCERS!

No big deal for we all know that garbages and refuses WILL NEVER LIKE THE REFUSE TRUCKS! grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Is God Good? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:20pm On Oct 01, 2021

BeLookingIDIOT:
"What we're always looking for"
Someone is here justifying committing genocide according to their religious beliefs and you're wondering why atheists have issues with religion.

You people already have problems with those who tell you "You shall pay for your wickedness"

Christianity Etc › Re: Is God Good? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:18pm On Oct 01, 2021

BeLookingIDIOT:
Behold the xtian morality

Morality is about the reasonable division of Right/Good from the Wrong/Evil.

And every reasonable person knows that snakes are evil to humans.

So if they don't stay in their lawful place and they interfere with humans, they goin die grin

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