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Nancy2020:
I strongly believe The Lord Jesus Christ proclaimed, “I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand” (John 10:28–29b).

Salvation is God’s work, not ours (Titus 3:5), and it is His power that keeps us.
But I will like to know your views to see if what you say is in the Bible or from your own mind.

You have used the magic word of refusal which is "I strongly believe".

There is nothing I can do about your beliefs and I do not intend doing anything to it.

If it is ok for you to believe that a Prostitute whose prostitutiion is as recent as this morning is covered by Christ simply because she believed in Christ last week, there is nothing I can do about that.

The only thing I can do is to that whenever you say so, I would always come to tell you, YOU ARE WRONG!

Nancy2020:
But Kindly show me this place in Bible since you say ....... First, when you are born, your name is in the Book of Life.
Judgement is what Deletes (Strikes Out) your name from the Book of Life..... Show me where it is written in the Bible?

The Bible always says "I will blot out their names from the Book of Life."

It never says "I will put their names, in the Book of Life"

Deuteronomy 25:6
Verse Concepts
It shall be that the firstborn whom she bears

Deuteronomy 25:6, Deuteronomy 29:20

Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life

Bishopkingsley:
Now that Dtruthspeaker: truly believe that humans have the power to decide to make heaven on their own and that it is not God who decides that for us ..

Now he abused me and insult me when the Bible forbids that and says he who does that to his fellow man is in danger of going to hell.

When you say that I said, what I did not say, are you not a Liar?

If you have a very bad understanding and interpretation of statements, then you ought to learn to ask questions to obtain clarity rather than using your faulty understanding of a matter to input an interpretation that is likely to make you liable to be called a Liar.

My statements were very clear and you got it, which is why you had no further reasonable question to ask on the issue.

BUT FOR YOU TO NOW SAY THAT I SAID WHAT I NEVER SAID IS JUST PLAIN VEXATIOUS!

Bishopkingsley:
He is not even keeping this part of the law of God because truly he is not yet converted in his heart the holy spirit gives patience character and self control which he clearly doesn't show in his speech

when you are blinded by imprisoning yourself to ONLY a part of the Bible how can you see Laws like "Strive not with a man without cause, if he have done thee no harm"

Have you not been harming me with your Lies?

LordReed:
If you steal because you and your family are starving you ...

By God's Law the punishment for stealing by reason of Starvation is Restitution up to 5 times Max or less that is just and satisfactory to he who hath suffered Loss.

That is God's Judgement Already Pre-Set on Ground.

So is there any excuse and the-fence (D'Fence) for Kings and Rulers and Politicians and People who are supposed to provide and protect the poor and starving who have rather stolen appropriate the common good to themselves?

No, not one!

For onward transmission to the Lake of Fire!

LordReed:
Why do you standby and do nothing while people suffer? That would be my question to a god if found.

On behalf of God I can answer this one!

And the Answer is "I severally WARNED them not to go IN THAT WAY that they shall suffer if they go there".

I also WARNED them saying "Turn Back, Turn Back, like Gran Turismo and other car races warn player saying "WRONG WAY", "WRONG WAY".

But they did not listen.

So they have planted Suffering and therefore, they must Harvest suffering As The Law has Set.

But you are Satan's Personal Avatar yourself so you are already automatically disqualified from asking.

This threads is for humans and and not for Satan's Avatar or his children whether legitimate or adopted or his bastards.

LordReed:
If wishes were horses beggers will still be shit outta luck. This is your sorry case. LMAO!

As I always tell you, That's what it means to be a creation. Just as your phone can not command you to charge it, so do all creations wait at the pleasure of their Creator. So baa, wahala!

Bishopkingsley:
..God already said he knows the end from the beginning yet some people are angry with this simple truth...

Have you considered that "I know the end from the beginning" is WARNING saying
"You Stupid Fools, do you think because I am Silent I do not know? Or can not know? Do you imagine you can Receive The Lord as you have deceived yourselves and other men?(especially this as Ananias and Saphira and many other foolish people thought and still think today)

Bishopkingsley:
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God said before the foundation of the world I know those that belong to me

Can anyone claim OWNERSHIP of iPhone and Toyota over Steve Jobs and Mr.Toyoda?

Are you not here hearing foolish iPhones and Corrollas thinking that they own themselves?

Bishopkingsley:
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A mature child of God won't abuse and get angry like him so who's higher in the faith

Whom a father loveth, he correcteth! And corrections are usually unpleasant.

And corrections are for children whilst Anger and Judgement is for Adults.

Bishopkingsley:
The laws of God can only be obeyed by those who have the holy spirit

God said I will then put my laws in their hearts and they will be my people.... That then is only when they will obey God laws

He thinks you can obey God with your strength but he does not know God is the one who gives power to do anything

We don't need Jesus to die if we can obey God's law with our personal strength

Just to pass my comment on this!

Has God not already given us the power, which gives us the Strengt?

I say He has already which is why He clearly and emphatetically said "With ALL thy heart and and with ALL thy soul and ALL THY STRENGTH!

If wicked men do not send their servants to do work without tools (Strength) is it Good Good God?

Nancy2020:
Ok but let me ask you do Almighty God know those who will go to heaven or does he know those whose names are written in the book of life before they were born?

First, when you are born, your name is in the Book of Life.

Judgement is what Deletes (Strikes Out) your name from the Book of Life.

Secondly, "Does God know who will enter His Kingdom?" My Answers

1) Those He Already Sees Walking in the Paths of Life. A Person going to Lagos from Onitsha using Asaba-Benin-Ore-Lagos Road is reasonable foreseeable to get there than a person using Onitsha-Owerri-Aba-Ikot-ikpene Road.

2) A Just Judge does not Judge a Matter before He hears it Blessings or Curses, Promotion and Expulsion /Sackings; Praise and Dis-Honour/Disgrace DO NOT COME FROM FORE-SIGHT.

They all come from Just, Direct and UNFORESEEN Measurement of Person or a Matter.

greenmaster:
In the beginning was the word, the word was with God and the word was God. Think my people, what is this word. Simple the air we breath.

So if you had air and do not eat, would you still live?

Oya think, it's your turn to think.

O oh! Ask them o.

Very good observation!

All of them doing yabadabadido up and down and yet not one is interpreting.

Deceiving evil things. Little and big demons are they.

Workch:
But Flying Spaghetti Monster also said the truth a lot in his books

You should read it as well, you will love to have such kind of fancy god

Liars need to put a little Truth in their Lies else, their wickedness will not work.

Workch:
We know Christian god was also formulated by Bronze Age farmers and herders who don’t understand how stuffs work.

Yes!
This is because Farmers are SIMPLE INNOCENT FOLK known for speaking THE TRUTH.

Thus, they are believable and reliable Witnesses of A Fact.

And this is where another major difference lies in the reports, THEIR TESTIMONY IS NOT IS NOT PROFITABLE TO THEM.

NEITHER DO THEY CARE IF YOU ACCEPT IT OR NOT.

BUT THIS IS NOT SO FOR LIARS! THEY NEED YOU TO ACCEPT THEIR LIES AND THEY ALWAYS TAKE/GAIN FROM THE PEOPLE WHOM THEY HAVE CONPELLED TO ACCEPT THEIR LIES!

Workch:
Why is that which is around us not evidence for Flying Spaghetti Monster? Why your own god?

I have just answered you that Flyo was born out of wicked and evil propaganda, THEREFORE NATURE CAN NEVER SUPPORT IT EXACTLY AS VOLKSWAGEN BRAINBOX (FLYO) CAN NEVER EVER BE SUPPORTED BY THE VOLVO CAR (NATURE).

BUT ORIGINAL VOLVO BRAINBOX WILL ALWAYS WORK WITH THE VOLVO CAR!

Workch:
What would it take for Christians to believe that Zeus and Flying Spaghetti Monster exist?

Nothing!

Because we know where and why the promotion of Zeus and Flyo came from.

And they did not come bonafide/Good faith but as a result of deceitfull propaganda to steal and destroy a goodly innocent people who are not expecting evil and wickedness to be done to them.

That is one of the many differences why Christ Followers can not and can never take those Filthy Wicked Lies.

Workch:
I need Dtruthspeaker opinion on this.

First, as to this question clearly expressed in your thread my Answers are

1) I have severally supplied you the Irrefutable Evidence which even you could not counter but you chose to refuse the Proof of He Whom we call God, as is in your power and there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about it.

2) It is SEEN and KNOWN that people can believe any thing which they wish to believe EVEN IF NO EVIDENCE IS GIVEN AT ALL.

So atheists could also exercise this option if they wanted it so and there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about it.

And 3), The Evidence in Proof of He Whom we call God is all around and you have seen them and if an atheists having seen them, accepts them, then that is his portion of bread to eat not mine.

But where he refuses to there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about it.

Slaves of a Master called Gather-Brushing (GB) do not have Freedom nor a right to think and speak The Truths in their souls.

So naturally they are as silent and agreeable as mannequins in a container.

Ola17:
Okay.

Good morning!

Ola17:
We are saying the same thing. You said if you were God you would've commit so many atrocities against your enemies like starving them to death and so on. I pointed out that you are actually a lot like god going by the stories we find in the Bible. After all, according to the Bible all the wars, diseases, deaths, hunger and suffering in the world today is as a result of Adam and Eve eating the forbidden fruit. No be so?

The bottom line is YOU PUNISH YOUR ENEMIES, I DO TO, THE NEXT MAN DOES TOO, EVERYONE IN THE WORLD PUNISHES THEIR ENEMIES, so no issue here.

Ola17:
Chai!
Let’s get it over with.
So who created God?

I have already answered you earlier, this thread is talking about we, men and the things we have SEEN in this our House called the World or the earth.

SO YOU ARE GOING AND HAVE GONE OUTSIDE ISSUE AND BEYOND THE ARGUMENT.

STICK TO THE ARGUMENT OR HOLD YOUR PEACE!

Nancy2020:
Titus 3:5
King James Bible
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Then you did not appreciate Verse 3 which told of whom you are and what you have done.

For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, DISOBEDIENT, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another

Are this not offences which contravene The Law?

So by verse 5 the word "washing", what does washing do?

Answer= To make clean.

When you are washed do you not know?

Answer= Exactly like taking a good bath, you surely know if you are Clean, but when you did not get a good bath you, did you not know that you still required a bath? Yes you did.

Now after having a good bath and you are clean, do you still return to the filth you came from? You judge yourself here.

Any who returns to those filth, shall such not be Disobeying The Law?

And on the other hand, any who is clean and returneth not to his filth, shall such not be obeying The Law?

Nancy2020:
Not by works of righteousness...

Consider this, an adulteress and LovePeddler who gives alms, tithes and preaches which you would call righteous, shall such a one be acceptable unto God?

Adam who Loved (righteous work) his wife and disobeyed God did was still found guilty of breaking The Law. Same as King Saul, Ananias and Saphira, they even clearly did righteousness in front of the disciples, yet they broke The Law and we're FOUND GUILTY!

Righteousness Always ends when you break The Law!.

And thank God the case of Ananias and Sapphira took place even in the very presence of the disciples of Christ wherein you people have fabricated the Lie "Christ has died for me, so I am saved from breaking The Law not be punished"

As Surely as Ananias and Sapphira, you shall Surely be punished for your disobedience.

Bishopkingsley:
So wrong the law is like a lab test to show us what is actually wrong with us so we can actually cry out to God for help now God now provides a solution which is Jesus

You obviously do not know what "lab test" means.

Bishopkingsley:
If obeying the law of God can save you I repeat tell me why Jesus had to die

Since we all can keep the law of God with our strength

The Answer was up there but as in the past, you would give yourself, self afflicted blindness!

Bishopkingsley:
Wrong no where in the new testaments that says such.

"New testament'". Now you commit The Crime of Removing God's Word and yet you do not expect to be called False Prophet!

I have said my piece I would not be responding to you no more for you already know you are speaking Lies because you want to hold on to your Wishes rather than THE TRUTH!

Which is why I hate speaking to you for you are a plain faced Liar, openly Lying and still trying to lift up your Lie.

Then you would say "I Am not saying you should not obey God laws" yet you say "you can't obey God laws..."

Re:Bishopkingsley:

Bishopkingsley:
My brother am still on the same point
I said you can't do anything spiritual with your strength

Brother, you did not speak The Truth

YOU SAID
"you can't obey God laws with your strength it not possible"

AND Not
"you can't do anything spiritual with your strength".

PLEASE STICK TO THE TRUTH OF YOUR OWN WORDS.

Bishopkingsley:
..Then I asked you what is God laws is it ten commandment or every thing that comes out from the mouth of God or the whole Bible.

Long before today I raised a thread which I clearly said "every Word which comes out of The Mouth of God IS LAW AND ALWAYS LAW AND SHALL FOREVER BE LAW.

And I showed the examples of When God Spoke, Law Came Out!
https://www.nairaland.com/6625238/there-law-before-10-commandments#103176717

Bishopkingsley:
.. but that is not what can save you ..

Let me narrow the issue and speak with you for you have spoken well and I will present my unflinching position.

"Will obedience to The Law Save You?"

I can not say yes because before Obedience first came disobedience and you are already guilty in Law for Disobedience.

So based on past guilty conducts, your present Law Fullness will ONLY PROVE YOUR PRESENT INNOCENCE.

BUT IT CAN NOT COVER YOUR PAST!

AND THIS IS WHERE THE LAW, WHO IS CHRIST COMES IN.

AS THE LORD IN MATHEW 18:26/27 EXERCISED HIS DESCRETION TO FORGIVE HIS SERVANT OF HIS PAST DEBTS, SAME CAN THE LAW ALSO DO, AS SHOWN IN LUKE 7:47.

And as Mathew 24:48 hath said
"Blessed is that servant, whom his Lord, SHALL FIND SO DOING".

Exactly as a person who hath not stolen, or dealt deceitfully can not be punished for those offences, so also Can No One be Punished for an offence he did not commit.

And if sinfull wicked men have found it very very difficult to convict their fellow man who hath not committed an offence is it now The Great and Mighty Good Lord Who Shall?

No, it is IMPOSSIBLE!

GOD IS ALWAYS RIGHT FULL AND CAN NEVER EVER DO A WRONG AND WILL NEVER EVER DO A WRONG!

THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY!

Ola17:
Chief why are you all over the place without answering any of the questions?

Now you are being unfair for you very well know that I am Using You as MY WITNESS to give The Truth of the Answer to your question!

And you very well got it, so you are being unreasonable about it.

Ola17:
As for the part In bold; diamonds are created when carbon is subjected to high pressure and temperature in the earths mantle. The earth’s mantle isn’t a living and intelligent being.

You are talking about baking/cooking therefore you have only described "the pot or oven".

And it is known, NO POT OR OVEN CAN cook or bake a bread, WITHOUT A COOK!

SO IT DOES NOT STAND!

Nancy2020:
so the place in New testaments that says he saved us not because of us keeping the laws but because of love.
What do you think about this.

Please referral let me directly look at it once more to remember what it said.

Ola17:
The God you peddle is actually a lot like you. Remind me again why your God burnt Sodom and Gomorrah, drowned all living things(men, women, children and animals.

Now You Have Fled From My Ground Of Disimlarity Which I Presented To You In Explanation Of God's Settings AND YOU DID NOT OPPOSE IT ONLY TO RUN TO MY LIKENESS AND RESEMBLANCE OF HIM, WHICH IS NOT IN ISSUE.

so stick to the issue or Keep The Peace. You have been reasonable so far and you do not need to get unreasonable, provocative and inflammatory simply because you are not able to reasonable counter me.

PLAY FAIR!

Ola17:
Can you empirically prove this to be true?

IN TRUTH, do you claim and can you claim that you manufactured and produced yourself?

Ever SEEN anything in this world which produced or manufactured or created itself, by itself, IN TRUTH?

Is it not SEEN that in this world, Things are Produced and manufactured and created by Another Intelligent and Living being?

IF THOU SHALT SPEAK THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND ALL THAT IS TRUE!

Ekejoestar:
Are you for real?

It's clear that you don't know God beyond what you are taught in your church cos someone that have a personal relationship with The Father of Light won't talk the way you've talked.

Thank God you said "Father of Light", so the question is, are you the son of The Father of Light or are you, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the LUSTS of your father ye will do"

Doth thou Lust and murdereth and fornicated and adulteryated and stealth and Lieth and many many things which the Satan doeth?

Examine Yourself Truly!

Ola17:
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... You’d have the same result praying to a mug of coffee and praying to your favorite God.

This is as a result of the Goodness of God in that He has left a minimum System kept in place for your survival.

And all creations are enjoying that Goodness and Grace because God is Good and not like men who are all like me, who shall definitely and immediately, without delay, Starve out and Suffocate my creations when I am angry with them or hate them.

But God is not like that, He is indeed Good giving both the good and the bad creations minimum sustenance.

And this is where His Legitimate Children have it better than everyone else, they enjoy the abundance of His Goodness, eating and drinking the very best things in Life.

That is the difference and the disparity.

Ola17:
Chief following this your logic, is it also safe to say that God can’t exist without its creator?

I know you will say God is the exception. No?

I did not say anything about can’t exist without its creator" YOU DID.

I clearly said "no CREATION can ever ever survive without its Creator".

Emphasis "CREATION"

And without any reasonable doubt, we are clearly "Creations"

AND THE ISSUE ON GROUND IS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT US AND THIS HOUSE CALLED, WORLD.

SO GOOD REASON WILL TELL YOU TO STICK TO THE ISSUE AND DEPART NOT FROM IT.

Arewalegend:
please Go deep on the original text in Hebrew language and understand

Isn't a Creator Always a Father?

Is Mr. Toyota and Steve Jobs not the father of the Camry and iPhone?

You obviously did not know that "Father" is not restricted to progeny and sireing.

hupernikao:


Sometimes I wonder whether you guys with this same mindset literally love lying or just an issue of not reading patiently..

Can a yahoo-yahoo ever like EFCC, or shall a thief like Police, or darkness, the Light?