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Christianity Etc › Re: Being An Atheist Is HARD!!! You Need To Be Super Human To Leave Faith! by Dtruthspeaker: 9:01pm On Aug 05, 2021

HellVictorinho:
Same old stuff
Nothing noteworthy here

Then you should not have wasted your time, strength and data! So much wastages especially as my response was not directed to you.

A Classical Example of the Nullities that you people are very much accustomed to doing.

Christianity Etc › Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Dtruthspeaker: 8:59pm On Aug 05, 2021

Bishopkingsley:
If a person has fled from evil and did not Do any evil thing does that person not Automatically DO the Righteousness God has Ordered?

Answer
No that is not what said

Since you say no, there is nothing more for me to say for it is apparent that you do not know that a person can not be both Hot and Cold at the same period of time.

If you are not hot, then you are cold.

If you are cold, then you are not hot.

If you are inside the house, you are not outside the house

So it is here, if you avoid all evil, then you do no wrong and if you do know wrong, then you do righteousness.

HardMirror:
You can not flee from evil because God is saying all men heart is wicked and evil so there is no way you can succeed to run away from thinking evil that is what you fail to understand

Doing good works is not running away from evil because you can pretend to do good things when your heart is full of wickedness and hate

All these are clearly off point for you are just raising excuses as to why you do not want to Obey God's Clear and Direct Instruction of fleeing from evil, which is your problem, not mine.

Bishopkingsley:
You can not use your mind to define or describe what Righteousness of God is because God said it is a gift

So trying to form what the Righteousness of God is on your own definition is another evil all together

I have clearly laid what righteousness is as disclosed by the Bible and you have not controverted it.

The mere fact that you do not like Cold Hard Truth of it is immaterial.

It's your bed and it is you who shall pay on it, I'm done!

Christianity Etc › Re: Being An Atheist Is HARD!!! You Need To Be Super Human To Leave Faith! by Dtruthspeaker: 8:33pm On Aug 05, 2021

HardMirror:
it is actually realizing that faith is dubious.

Not True!

It is rather that you got tired of Doing the Nullity you were taught to do which you thought was the knowledge of God and therefore you took another way.

HardMirror:
...my dear christian friends that have tried to get me back to the fold always are unable to give me any other reason to return but to just have faith in God.

As I told you up, many are exactly as your former "self claimed or appropriated Christian", whereas, like you, they were far from Christ and God.

So naturally they are bringing you back to your former Nullity and thus you have to refuse them.

HardMirror:
...the problem is faith in what?

Faith is "Application and Use of Information" and those who are not Children of God Never knew this, even when they saw it in the Bible.

HardMirror:
if not man made tell me what evidence your god has presented for it's self,...

Do you prove yourself to your biro or mannequin or phone? No you do not and neither will you submit yourself to your ruler and car simply because they are foolish creations.

HardMirror:
all the so called things your god has are all what men are saying on it's behalf, is your god dumb?

How many times does Buhari speak? Is it not His representatives and appointments that speak on his behalf?

So is it with God and in His Case He Spoke Once, exactly as You do not speak to often speak to your mannequin.

So nothing irregular here.

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Christianity Etc › Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Dtruthspeaker: 7:55pm On Aug 05, 2021

Bishopkingsley:
All this time you have failed to show me from Bible what God call Righteousness of God in Christ Jesus

Did you ever ask me to show you what God Calls His Righteousness before now?

Of which I have shown you through the immediate past post the Clear Pronouncements of God WHICH YOU HAVE NOT OPPOSED, is on How we are to Conduct ourselves which is "To Flee from all evil!"

If a person has fled from evil and did not Do any evil thing does that person not Automatically DO the Righteousness God has Ordered?

The Beginning and End of All God's Laws is the Commandment of Fleeing from evil.

Christianity Etc › Re: Being An Atheist Is HARD!!! You Need To Be Super Human To Leave Faith! by Dtruthspeaker: 7:32pm On Aug 05, 2021

HardMirror:
Being an atheist is HARD!!! you need to be super human to leave faith!

And This is Always you peoples' problem, YOU NEVER HAD THE FAITH (KNOWLEDGE) IN THE FIRST PLACE BUT YOU ALL THOUGHT YOU DID.

Which is why you guys attack your former selves who themselves in the case of many of them, do not have the faith either as is evident even in the arguments here among those who think they do.

Christianity Etc › Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Dtruthspeaker: 7:13pm On Aug 05, 2021

Bishopkingsley:
But this definition is what God actually calls self Righteousness
God says it is dirty filthy rag to him if you don't have God's Righteousness to back up your self Righteousness

Then you do not know the difference between righteousness of your own determination and making which is self righteousness and the righteousness of the good, the very good and that which harms no one, which is a Righteousness as set and determined by God Himself, Which can Only be Found via the Words of His Mouth (Testimonies) and Laws (Statutes, Precepts and Judgements)

And what has The Lord Said with which you can find the Righteousness He prescribes?

Proverbs 8:13 "The Fear of The Lord is hate evil:"

"Abstain from every form of evil" 1 Thessalonians 5:22

And many other verses warning us that the doing of evil is Unrighteous!

"34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.

35 For whoso findeth me findeth Life,..." Proverbs 8:34/35.

Christianity Etc › Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Dtruthspeaker: 5:24pm On Aug 05, 2021

Bishopkingsley:
Bible only defines two Righteousness

1)Self Righteousness

2)God's Righteousness Also called the Righteousness of Christ Jesus

Bible Described and "not defined", the 2 types of righteousnesses Men Do which all men will see.

Bishopkingsley:
Righteousness is the condition of being in right relationship with the Lord.

Throughout the Bible, a close examination of the facts of righteousness reveals that righteousness means that which is good and very good and which reasonably harms no one.

Not "a condition of being in a tight relationship with God" for exactly as your phone is to you, all creations are already in a tight and inescapable relationship with God, whether they like it or not.

However, Righteousness determines whether that relationship will be Good or adverse for the creation, which is what the Bible is giving counsel for.

I do not wish to have a lengthy argument with you because I know that no matter how long I reasonably prove that your way is wrong, you will not change it, for you know that the implications is that it must take a lot of real and diligent work from you so that you can directly obey The Words and Law of God, which you do not want to do.

So seeing that you want to take the convenient and easy way, I do not have much to say, for the Bible is very clear that God Will Judge us our Doings aka Deeds aka Works.

And as the parable of the talents has told us, Doing Nothing is Condemnation just exactly as doing evil is also condemnation!

Bishopkingsley:
Accept there is no good work that can save you

Like the child I mentioned above, good work will not save you because you have already done evil works and you are judged for all your works, both good and evil. That is what judgement on the merit means.

But if you have not done any good works, then surely, you have done evil works, because all work and all must work, so which type of work have they done?

That is what The Judge is going to determine on that day.

And ditto: To do no work, is also a work. It is called the work of Omission in Law exactly what the servant with one talent did which rendered him guilty of Condemnation.

So whether a person works or does not work, you are already in the box of work.

Christianity Etc › Re: Righteousness Is Not By Our Works by Dtruthspeaker: 4:39pm On Aug 05, 2021

KaideeGee:
Dtruthspeaker

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think Man is flesh, only that he is quickened by the Spirit of God

Respectfully, God created man as both flesh and spirit.

But corruption came into man.

From the view of God's Words, a careful observation would show you that God Confined the Corruption to the flesh alone.

Thus, ALL FLESH (not spirit, yet) shall die.

But the spirit man as Paul had pointed out, has a chance to Live or follow the flesh to die.

Which is why you see all through the Bible, emphasis is laid upon the spirit of man and the discovery of the spirit man.

The flesh man must die and is going to die, that is the certainty but the question is are you going to allow your spirit man to join the flesh to die?

This is where the wisdom of "if thy right eye cause you to sin, cut it off. It is better a part be cut off than the whole body be thrown into the fire" comes in, exactly as a bad limb is cut off by the doctors so that an ailing person does not die.

Christianity Etc › Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Dtruthspeaker: 1:33pm On Aug 05, 2021

Bishopkingsley:
The definition of doing good works of man vs what God defines good works

No sir, you imported me from the thread which was laying down the Truth that RIGHTEOUSNESS SHOULD AND MUST BE DONE BY The True Children of God, wherein I said all the things you sought to oppose but you can now see that you are Off-Way!

Christianity Etc › Re: If Man Be God, Life For Better. Reason The Matter With Me by Dtruthspeaker: 1:25pm On Aug 05, 2021

HardMirror:
what God?

is it now you are asking "what God" after all this time you have been opposing me based on Him? grin

You have nothing reasonable to say, so, till another reasonable or foolish thread comes up, this Convo is done! grin

Christianity Etc › Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Dtruthspeaker: 1:06pm On Aug 05, 2021

Bishopkingsley:
That scripture has no impact on this topic because the turn you part is about believing in the one who God sent

Jesus proves it by showing
What the work of God actually means

Is this not the Same Christ Jesus speaking here in Proverbs?

Did Christ Jesus not say "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life" (John 14:6)?

Is this not Christ Jesus who spoke herein in Proverbs below?

Chapter 8:20-30
"I lead in the WAY of Righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgement; (John 14:6) - THE WAY!

That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.

22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. (John 1:1)

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; (John1:1)

Verse 8:7
"For MY MOUTH SHALL SPEAK TRUTH" (John 14:6)- THE TRUTH

Proverbs 3:13, 18, 21, 22
"Wisdom is a TREE OF LIFE to them that lay hold upon her. Keep sound wisdom and discretion:

So shall they be Life unto thy soul,.... (John 14:6) THE LIFE.

You must DO THE TURNING YOURSELF!

"If thou Turn and Do the Words of The Lord, thou do it for thyself. If thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it."

I am done!

Christianity Etc › Re: Is It True That There Is Power In Words, To Make What One Says Come True? by Dtruthspeaker: 12:25pm On Aug 05, 2021

eomajeh:
Who else has watched this short video?
What's your take on this "power in spoken words" claim?

Is it written "there is power in the tongue"

Have you not seen at some time in your life that you said something and it happened exactly as you said it?

Why do you think people fear and avoid the Curses of men?

God was not joking when He said He is in you"

And being in you, you have His Power.

But, it is not at your will to exercise.

Christianity Etc › Re: Righteousness Is Not By Our Works by Dtruthspeaker: 12:17pm On Aug 05, 2021

Bishopkingsley:
Actually what God is saying is that once I give you my holy spirit because the Righteousness of God is in the holy spirit

Then you will equally have the ability to carry out my laws my works

You can't do any good thing until God gives you his Righteousness (holy spirit)

Then you were not in class when God said "TURN YOU AT MY REPROOF:"

after that, "... I will pour out my Spirit unto you, I will make known my words into you". Proverbs 1:23.

Christianity Etc › Re: Righteousness Is Not By Our Works by Dtruthspeaker: 12:09pm On Aug 05, 2021

GardenOfGod:
In summary.... I have checked to see if there is any portion that says since our righteousness is of no effect, we should continue in sin, but I have not seen.

And Neither is there any portion that says "Do Not Do Righteousness"!

Christianity Etc › Re: Righteousness Is Not By Our Works by Dtruthspeaker: 12:07pm On Aug 05, 2021

Bishopkingsley:
I can't counter you because it something that God reveals only to those whom he selects...

It is impossible to counter The Truth for The Lord Up Holdeth it by His Power and it is A Mountain that can never be moved when attacked

Which is why my signature States The Law "There is No Valid Argument Against The Truth" for when it is not True, it will always have a valid and reasonable counter that would make it FALL.

And when you do not have a counter, you have reached the Mountain of Truth!

Christianity Etc › Re: If Man Be God, Life For Better. Reason The Matter With Me by Dtruthspeaker: 11:49am On Aug 05, 2021

HardMirror:
even the bible has a book of Lamentations so i dont think you should be too worried about mine. my so called lamentations are targeted at exposing the fraud called religion especially christianity that i am very familiar with and know for sure the false claims of the useless religion

Haha, Yep! grin

Exactly when they were like you, so did they so Lament and Cry and Anguish!

Whilst we said "FOOLS, did you think God was joking when He said that those terrible things shall fall on you" when they went against Him?

Fools were they and you are exactly as they are as you have chosen to take upon yourself!

Christianity Etc › Re: If Man Be God, Life For Better. Reason The Matter With Me by Dtruthspeaker: 11:31am On Aug 05, 2021

HardMirror:
i am also having fun but not waiting for an imaginary judgement.

Your Threads of Lamentations have already shown that you are lying! grin

Truth Always Comes Out in many ways and you have leaked yours already, so it is too late for you to recant grin

And if it was well you, you will never ever lament exactly as a man who lives by the sea can not lament about water and heat only those like you in the desert. grin

HardMirror:
Christians are unable to use their so called connection to their imaginary god to solve any real world problem, there is absolutely nothing to prove your god exist and yet you take it a step further expecting us to believe there is one hell waiting for unbelievers. so convenient to just make stuff up like you guys think everyone is stupid

The effect of being Cursed by God means that Unless He Uncurses or Blesses, THERE MUST ALWAYS BE PROBLEMS.

So, Christians are simply removing themselves from the Curse of God and from problems knowing that there was no problem in the first place and there would not have been problems if men did not make themselves enemies of God.

So The Proof of God is the presence of Problems for the Cursed and the Proof of God is the Absence of Problems for The Blessed!

And it is Seen that in this world, All things come to the Judgement of Fire. grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Righteousness Is Not By Our Works by Dtruthspeaker: 10:22am On Aug 05, 2021

Bishopkingsley:
You won't understand Righteousness of God in Christ Jesus until you receive the holy spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues

Until then you will fight this truth

Truth is my friend therefore, I am standing on and with it, not fighting it.

Which is why after my answer, you have no reasonable and valid way to counter and that is very fine with me.

Christianity Etc › Re: Righteousness Is Not By Our Works by Dtruthspeaker: 10:18am On Aug 05, 2021

Bishopkingsley:
No man that can approach God without been cleansed
By God

This was a complete departure and totally unnecessary.

You and I were in agreement that it is wrong for people to judge their own selves, to which you said God is The Judge "God is saying he is the judge..."

Thus, all I was saying that people foolishly and wrong fully play Judge on themselves.

Nothing about approaching God is in my post!

Christianity Etc › Re: Righteousness Is Not By Our Works by Dtruthspeaker: 10:10am On Aug 05, 2021

Bishopkingsley:
In such contexts Paul contrasts righteousness by faith with righteousness by works.

He does not contrast them he is rather pointing out what people do in a bid to deceive and evade the Judgement of God, exactly as a child who has done an evil thing in the house will start wash plates, sweep, run errands and do his homework, all of which are right and good BUT WILL THAT REMOVE HIS LIABILITY FOR HIS EVIL?

Paul's Answer is that "It shall be Judged"!

And as we say in Law, each individual and distinct case shall be judged on their Merit, which is his Right Works (washing, cleaning, running errands) shall be Judged and rewarded and his evil works shall be judged and rewarded also.

And it is here you appreciate the Words of David and Paul where he said
"Blessed is that man whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered" Psalm 32:1

"Blessed is the man whom The Lord will not impute sin" Romans 4:8

Christianity Etc › Re: Righteousness Is Not By Our Works by Dtruthspeaker: 9:48am On Aug 05, 2021

Bishopkingsley:
God is saying he is the judge the one who marks the exam paper

Jacob I love Esau I hate
God can declare you Righteousness

And devil will be looking at it and his children will be angry

Yep God is The Judge, yet many had gone to Sit on The Judgment Throne, even in their own case.

Christianity Etc › Re: Righteousness Is Not By Our Works by Dtruthspeaker: 9:45am On Aug 05, 2021

KaideeGee:
...Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:20 NKJV...

I see that you are sitting on the fence on this one but every Anti-Law teachers missed the word "no flesh".

And is man flesh? Or rather is man supposed to be fleshy?

Thus, would it be wrong to say "Therefore by the deeds of The Law in spirit will be justified in His sight"?

Remember in your other thread you had already laid down the answer.

Christianity Etc › Re: Righteousness Is Not By Our Works by Dtruthspeaker: 9:38am On Aug 05, 2021

Bishopkingsley:
Self Righteousness people won't like this

A student who has marked his own script will never be happy when he is told to deliver his script to an external examiner for marking! grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Righteousness Is Not By Our Works by Dtruthspeaker: 9:34am On Aug 05, 2021

KaideeGee:
Wednesday
04-08-2021

Peace...

Heavenly Father we are here in accordance with your word that says if we receive insight in your word, we should share it to other brethren. Father we ask that you be ever present with us. I decrease Lord, increase and Glorify yourself in Jesus name. Amen

Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:20 NKJV

There is no righteousness apart from Christ. No matter how morally upright you are or how law abiding you are, you can never be right in God's eyes, it is only through faith in Jesus Christ the Son of God that we can obtain righteousness.
But let us not do away with the law, for faith does now abolish the law, rather it establishes it. It is through faith that we keep the laws, it is faith that gives redemption from transgressions.

Let us abide in faith, every thing outside of faith is sin.

Shalom

Rightness and Righteousness is our work, WHICH MUST BE DONE.

But it is not Valid for Anyone to Mark themselves.

The Marking of Rightness is Always Done by Another, Exactly as it is not an examination candidate who marks his own answer script but the Examiner.

This is The Law of "You can not be a Judge in your own Cause"

Christianity Etc › Re: A Reply To Those Saying "Religion Will Be Outdated With Increase Of Knowledge" by Dtruthspeaker: 9:27am On Aug 05, 2021

KaideeGee:
You can see the reference post here
https://www.nairaland.com/6684235/see-why-religion-die-people

I strongly agree, yes it will become outdated, lots of people will ditch it.
But that only serves to confirm the word of God, "In the last days many shall fall away".
So atheists keep up the good work, you are actually doing God's bidding.
Besides Christ didn't come to give a religion, HE came to bring redemption, to give a new way of life. "The hour is coming when the true worshippers will worship HIM in SPIRIT and in truth"

Shalom.

I would have said, you should not have told him but it is not out of place to do so.

The Foolish Nigerian Fool BELIEVED Satan via[b]the Movies[/b] (the same believe which Eve believed him and is destroyed) which had taught him, that God would lose Power, if a multitude of people stop following Him.

The fool never learns that no matter how many a phone, car or pencil go bad, Creators are never tired of putting them in the fire! grin

Christianity Etc › Re: If Man Be God, Life For Better. Reason The Matter With Me by Dtruthspeaker: 9:11am On Aug 05, 2021

HardMirror:
na so. keep waiting.

Time passes when a person is having fun therefore waiting is Fun! grin

Christianity Etc › Re: If Man Be God, Life For Better. Reason The Matter With Me by Dtruthspeaker: 9:01am On Aug 05, 2021

HardMirror:
then in guess we should be looking forward to you being "cutting off" and the likes of you who are the reason for decay and backwardness in today's world

That is beauty of God, He certainly Sees the Wicked and shall Cut them off in His Time! grin

For it is Written, God is Angry with the wicked everyday and because of this, troubles and evil ALWAYS pursue the Wicked everyday.

But the righteous dwell safely and are never moved! grin

Christianity Etc › Re: The Almightyness Of Seunosewa: Atheist Logic! by Dtruthspeaker: 6:37am On Aug 05, 2021

kingxsamz:
Then his comparison with his god and Seun makes no sense. Seun cannot make comments without following the procedures other members do. You claim your god can break the laws of physics, walk on water and do supernatural stuff. Seun can't do such by commenting and posting without being bound by the system. Take it or leave it, it's a lame analogy. He might have had a point, only maybe if he found the right scenario to use as an example. This one is not it. E no go, E no enter. I'm done with this discussion.

I know that, that word "All Mighty" is the weakness of his presentation for Seun is not all mighty and can not be all-mighty for he is exactly as we are, and we already Truly know that we are not all-mighty, therefore, Seun can not be all-mighty.

But he is however all mighty to his bots and codes and softwares and all his creations.

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Christianity Etc › Re: If Man Be God, Life For Better. Reason The Matter With Me by Dtruthspeaker: 6:27am On Aug 05, 2021

LordReed:
Once again you show us your true colours. Imagine someone gloating at the destruction he thinks will befall his fellow. Despicable.

It is The Law, When the Wicked are cut off there must BE SHOUTS OF JOY, Exactly as Nigerians Shouted when Abacha died and will shout if Buhari dies today!.

When the Wicked Perish there are shouts of joy!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Almightyness Of Seunosewa: Atheist Logic! by Dtruthspeaker: 4:22pm On Aug 04, 2021

kingxsamz:
Sorry, e no work.
Seun can't comment or open threads without the usual way of the system.
If he chooses not to ever comment, that's his business, but the moment he decides to, he's bound by the system's mode of operation.

Which automatically cancels your friend's statement that his god cannot be bound by the laws and system of the universe.
Sorry but your friend fell into his own hole.

I am certain he means God can choose to be bound to His Laws, as He did when He walked on the ground and ate as us yet He Still Above The Law, as He Showed when He also Walked upon the sea, Removed Himself from the grave and put aside The Law of gravity when He Lifted Himself up above and beyond the clouds in proof of the fact that A Lawgiver is Always Above and Beyond the power of His Laws exactly as your 10pm rule has no power hold over you.

I am certain this is what he had in mind when he raised this thread.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Almightyness Of Seunosewa: Atheist Logic! by Dtruthspeaker: 3:10pm On Aug 04, 2021

kingxsamz:
Not when your guy have said this...

We can see that Seun is still bound by the system. You can't choose one and drop the other one. So, you haven't said anything different.

And the counter is because Seun chooses to be so bound by his own volition exactly as you choose to be home before 10pm according to your own law.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Almightyness Of Seunosewa: Atheist Logic! by Dtruthspeaker: 2:49pm On Aug 04, 2021

kingxsamz:
Which kind poor defense be this?
I'm talking about posting, commenting and making threads on sections on Nairaland, not the example you brought up.
If he wants to do those things, there's no other way he can do it apart from the steps other members took.

We are talking about his ability in here and he can always post contrary to the rules in here eg. He can be vulgar, advertise, insult, post lewd contents in religious section contrary to what his rules say.

His bots and mods will be paralyzed when they see his posts!

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