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HardMirror:
ok sir. i will agree with you. so what are these things you have created. lets learn.

You are now entering into my personal space (Trespassing) with this .

HardMirror:
please make this easy for everyone here. assume we cannot see what you are seeing, just tell us what evidence you have for God shikena. make this thing easy please. you just like talking like someone who does not think or have sense at all. simple question that can be answered simply you wast time beating about the bush.

just give one single evidence for you god.

I have directly answered all of workch's reasonable questions in the past until he ran out of any reasonable question, which is why I responded the way I did to him.

And which is why he does not counter me for he knows for every valid counter he presents, I will crush him with a greater answer till he is not able to validly respond.

So it is you, who requires to see the "Proofs of God" and the very first noticeable Proof of God is the fact that "He is Spoken and Known all over the world, in every nation, language and people"

No other person ever has this whether Bill Gates or Obama or you.

2) IN THIS WORLD that we know and are talking about, Nothing is ever able to create itself especially a House and we are living in One Huge House which we Call earth/world.

Creators create Houses. There our Creator, Whom we call God, is certainly not confined to this House (World) exactly as you are not confined to the "house" which you created but are very capable of visiting it from time to time at your own pleasure and can do anything you so desire in it.

So also is God Out and beyond our reach.

Workch:
...Life is hard for believers of skydaddy, ...

And this is where the difference between the True Children of God and others is, Life is Always Very Much Sweet for them All.

khia:
Dude, don't you understand English, I stated in the beginning of this thread that I did not write this topic, it was an article I saw online and thought it would be an interesting discussion/debate.

No you did not. These are your first 3 posts at the beginning and their various times.

"Why Does Yah Care If We Worship Him Or Not..is It His Ego by khia: 7:41pm On Aug 08
Let's debate. cheesy Tell me your thoughts.
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Re: Why Does Yah Care If We Worship Him Or Not..is It His Ego by khia: 7:55pm On Aug 08
Yah is not elevated if we worship him neither is he lessened if we don't, so why do you think it is necessary to do so? Food for thought. smiley
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Re: Why Does Yah Care If We Worship Him Or Not..is It His Ego by khia: 8:00pm On Aug 08
Yah created us with free will, so should he be displeased if we choose not to worship him or is it truly about EGO
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Workch:
How come your skydaddy made it so difficult for you to prove his existence?
Damn, I don’t envy you aswear

You can get your hands burnt by acid and have seen it turn litmus paper red, yet you would still lie saying "it is not acid."

You can be burnt by scalding hot water yet you are very capable of lying of saying "the water was not hot water".

You could as well say Monday never came, there is Nothing anyone can say after this!

So is the Proof of God all around but yet you can claim to not have seen it.

HardMirror:
how do you know this?

Because I am A Creator myself. And I solely decide the future and fate of each and everyone one of my creations, whether they shall live the length of my life or whether they shall Cease To Exist!

That's the Absolute Unfettered Power and Right of A Creator.

Workch:
Skydaddy won’t show up when it matters.

So shameful

No Father ever hears or answers the call of the children of strangers.

LordReed:
Valar Morghulis.

No sir, all do not Cease! They simply move to the next stage of living depending on their results in this stage.

khia:
Where did I call Yah evil?

When you say "... is it His ego", do you not imply that you call Him proud and arrogant?

LordReed:
Yeah keep your killer god not interested.

I never ever forget that you are already marked for final destruction in the fire as you already know, so as a dead tree, there is no thing to harvest, save to put it in the fire!

budaatum:
Dt! Does that not mean the earth was made for man, as opposed to your "man was made for the earth"?

There is no difference, for the interpretation is still the same whether the man was given the earth or the earth was given to the man.

The constant remains that man and earth are joined together and would work together, which is my point.

khia:
Why would Yah need our praise and worship when he is all knowing and righteousness, why do he need our praising him to convince of how great he is?

Psalm 116
What shall I render unto the Lord FOR ALL HIS BENEFITS TOWARD ME?

13[b] I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the Lord.

14 I will pay my vows unto the Lord now in the presence of all his people.[/b]

17 I will offer to thee the sacrifice of thanksgiving, and will call upon the name of the Lord.

18 I will pay my vows unto the Lord now in the presence of all his people.

19 In the courts of the Lord's house, in the midst of thee, O Jerusalem. Praise ye the Lord

khia:
I see you lack reading comprehension skills because I clearly stated that I would be thankful and grateful for what is given to me and through my appreciation I would PAY IT FORWARD which means blessing someone else the way I have been blessed.

It is because you are evil seeking to call The Lord, evil which comes from the fact that you have wanted but not received, you have desired but not obtained and you suffer serious lack

That is the only reason you raised this evil thread and it is only those who hunger and suffer lack, who raise up threads such as these, which is why you thought it intelligent to say " I would be thankful and grateful for what is given to me and through my appreciation I would PAY IT FORWARD".

To Whom/ whom are you paying what forward? (I don't care about your answer)

The question posed is "Does God care about our worshipping Him?"

Answer: No. "The rocks will praise Him if we would not" Luke 19:40.

Then why do we worship Him?

Psalm 117, 118: Because He is Good and His merciful kindness is Great Towards Us, Forever.

LordReed:
I also salute your courage, not many people can come out in the open to admit their errors and seek resolution. Also your story about your religious past was very enlightening, I am not sure I could bring myself to tell mine because I am still kicking myself for being so foolish for so long. While I don't particularly care if any of the religious people on NL change their minds I do care that they take time to scrutinize the information they care to share publicly, don't come on here and sprout nonsense and use your religious garb to dress it up.

Meanwhile, keep it up.

This is one of the products which comes out from going to "bad schools" churches and having evil teachers teaching you about He Who is Good.

Surely, you guys must be bad and evil products.

Unfortunately, you will still run into the waiting arms of another evil teacher, If God does not run an intervention.

budaatum:
Mind sharing chapter and verse please?

Psalm 115:16
"The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men."

HardMirror:
to everyone who used to be a believer and now skeptics, i celebrate you guys. people do not know the amount of courage and strength it takes to admit one is wrong, one has been deceived.
i sincerely celebrate you guys, seun, lordreed, Johnnydon, hopefullandlord, hahn and many others i cannot mention right now. you guys have been patient, resilient even in the face of senseless arguments, you keep trying to let people know they are being deceived. sometimes i have to employ very aggressive mean topics to catch the attention of readers, because they are not listening, they are not trying to learn. they are not thinking.
James Randi could have exploited people, he was telling them the truth, trying to set them free, but they instead turned him to their enemy. same thing happening here. we are seen as the enemy. we must keep trying our best to let people realize the supernatural has no sufficient prove. every claim of miracles has and can be explained, if only people would listen and not see it as an attack against their religion.

The highlight! Last year or so, you Fools said "No Proof".

This year, it is "insufficient proof".

Maybe next year, your proof will be full and sufficient.

HardMirror:
1. . James Randi dedicated his life to teaching us that magic, the supernatural does not exist and to prove it he created the RANDI Challenge where he challenge ANYONE that thinks he has any paranormal ability of ABSOLUTELY ANY KIND to come to the show and prove that he or she has any paranormal ability and he would pay that person $1,000,000 (One Million Dollars) and since 1998 no one, NOBODY has been able to win this money, despite thousands of people taking the challenge and claiming just the way you would also come here and claim the supernatural is real.

It just proves the Truth of God's Word where He Declared that "man was made for the earth".

So man easily and readily has power only on earth, but the power beyond the earth is not his to exercise at his will and discretion.

It's as simple as that!

khia:
1. If someone GIVES me a house or anything from the goodness of their heart, there is no DEBT to be paid. When you truly give there is no expectations behind it but clearly you are too young and selfish to understand true giving.

When you receive a gift do you just walk away with it? No you don't! (Unless of cause you are an evil ungratefull kid)

Upon receipt of the gift YOU IMMEDIATELY HAVE A DEBT TO ALSO GIVE, To He Who Has Given You.

That is The Law of "Do unto others as you want done to you". (The Law of Reciprocity)

Therefore, God GAVE!

YOU AUTOMATICALLY HAVE A DEBT TO GIVE, IN FULFILMENT OF THE LAW.

Else, you Owe, The Law!

khia:
3. Someone who is truly giving to me has me in their heart and I am very thankful for that. How can being grateful for someone's kindness not provoke thoughtfulness?

And you have proven my Case.

We Christ Followers know and understand that ALL THE GOOD WE GET ARE GIFTS FROM GOD, THEREFORE, God is Always Giving To Us, AND THEREFORE, WE ARE ALWAYS FULL OF THANKS exactly as you have admitted

It Is That Thanks Which We Have Plenty of which WE GIVE IN RETURN TO HIM IN PRAISES AND THANKS-GIVING.

So while you keep your thanks to yourself, as you imply, We Do Not Keep Our Thanks To Ourselves, We Deliver Them To HIM, amongst our other givings, hence why it is called "Thanks Giving"!.

So it is settled then!

khia:
1. If someone did those things for me I would be very grateful and thank them for it but I wouldn't thank them Everytime I saw them I would rather pay it forward.

When someone gives you a house, do you think thank you is enough to settle the debt? If you have been freely accommodated for a long duration or you have been thrown out of your house before, you would surely know that free shelter can not be paid for!

You are obviously young and under the protection of mummy and daddy. When you grow up and have a need for accommodation, then you would know the value of a house, not to even talk of a very nice house, which is also accompanied with free feeding etc.

There isn't any thing thought provoking about being thank full to A Person Who has given you great and mighty gifts.

khia:
Yah created us with free will, so should he be displeased if we choose not to worship him or is it truly about EGO

If someone gave you a well furnished house, a job and left a little note saying "if you need any other thing just call" would you not be very very full and thanks?

You obviously did not know that worship is simply the act of giving pure thanks to He Who has given us much good things and is still waiting to give us more.

So God is not begging us or compelling us to worship Him, but because we are very much aware that He has given us all the good things we have seen and experienced and we are indeed happy for receiving these gifts, we show our gratitude by thanking He Who has given us so so much.

That is the primary reason why we Worship The Lord for it is very natural for us to love He Who loved us and has proven His love for us by giving us many many good and wonderful things, we like.

Enn214:
What do you want to be remembered for??

Of what profit is remembrance to the dead when they are dead and may be living in eternal pain and sorrow?

WildChild00:
Yes today Christain community can be all about envy, brother James thinks he is the only one that can ride fine cars, or that knows the Bible more than everyone in this church, I will prove him wrong today

That is in that duplicated and falsely claimed "Christ community".

It does not happen in the The True and Original Christian Community.

WildChild00:
Yes today Christain community can be all about envy, brother James thinks he is the only one that can ride fine cars, or that knows the Bible more than everyone in this church, I will prove him wrong today

That is in that duplicated and falsely claimed "Christ community".

It does not happen in the The True Christian Community.

aribisala0:
Thanks for your contribution
I think it is rude to say I am displaying madness because we do not share perspectives
I will not say the same back.
We are done I have nothing more to say to you.

I was simply saying that when a person is unstable, he is erratic and an erratic person is reasonably viewed to be insane.

No one likes to deal with unstable persons exactly as you would not like to sit on a shaky chair.

That is the beginning and end of my answer, no insult was intended to be given.

Ochari:
My fellow Christian brother and sisters let check our inner minds. Are we truly Christians

Dear Choir, if you don’t study the Bible, you’re in the Music Industry not Music Ministry. You’ll sing nonsense and call it “Gospel” like we do today. You’ll be Entertaining instead of Ministering… You better choose one of the two.

Dear Usher, if you don’t study the Bible, you’re a traffic warden or better still a party Protocol. You simply maintain foot traffic in the assembly.

Dear Bible Study Leader, if you don’t study the Bible, you’re an ordinary Public Speaker not a Minister. You’ll preach rubbish.

Dear Children Department Coordinator, if you don’t study the Bible, you’re just a social juvenile worker or better still a nanny…

Dear Drama Group Member, if you don’t study the Bible, you’re just doing Nollywood, no life!

Dear Instrumentalist and Technical Unit Member, if you don’t study the Bible, you’re just a DJ, a very noisy one for that matter.

Dear Prophet, if you don’t study the Bible, you’re just a soothsayer. You’ll be predicting Arsenal vs Leicester city, not anything relevant to God’s kingdom on earth.

Dear Christian Writer, if you don’t study the Bible, you’re just D. O. Fagunwa, Chinua Achebe, or the writer of “Eze goes to school.” You’ll write for fiction not for the Kingdom.

Dear Christian Motivational Speaker, if you don’t study the Bible, you’re just a psychologist....
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https://felicitygists.com/expected-character-of-a-christian/

All you said is "Study". Therefore, you are not speaking about Christians.

For Character of the Christian is seen in that he already knows "To Study and DO!"

And not by peering into the book!

WildChild00:
Covetousness it is very common today in the christain community, no Christain can run away from it

You are talking about a group of false and fabricated duplicates.

Christ Followers do not covet or envy and are not capable of doing so.

But the fakes are so!

Truefaith:
This is not applicable to Christians!

Only fake Christians envy anyone.

Christ is more than enough Possession for anyone that is truly born again.

Only fakes envy people on what they have on this earth.

No such tale was ever written of Paul or Peter.

Thank you for resounding it!

Christ Followers (Christians) Never Envy and are not Capable of Envying!

Lordmyp:
What about jealousy

They are Siamese and Conjoined Twins who are always two-gather.

So when he is talking about envy, he is also talking about jealousy.

prettypraise:
Envy is the act of getting offended over someone's success with the intention of not wishing them to prosper...Many Christians are faced with this plague; whether silently or openly..

He who envies, is not a Christian.

Christ Followers do not envy and are not capable of envying.

It is those who are falsely claim Christ Followwrship, who envy, because they are not of Christ, neither do they belong to Christ.

Christ Followers Never Envy!

aribisala0:
People say there is God
The onus is for them to prove it so yes there is need for proof ?
What is difficult to grasp about that
I am open to proof. I Have not said there is no God that does not mean I accept there is God. I do not know
What is your point?

Food is only to the hungry! S

o you can not say I am hungry for God therefore "Give me God" and still say "I have God".

Therefore, you should not be given God, because food is only given to the hungry

That is the madness you are displaying.

aribisala0:
...All I am saying is I do not know that there is God or not...

You do not go to the doctor to tell him "I do not know if you are sick or not? Nor is it valid to say "I do not know if I am in nairaland or not".

Or shall you not call a person insane when he says "I do not know if I am inside or outside my house"?

You think it valid to be confused and you think people ought to address you based on your mental instability.

Well, time for psychiatrists to take over, they are the professionals in this area and not us.

aribisala0:
It appears to me that the idea of a God is tied to the idea humans have of their own importance in the universe.

So if humans thought they were no more relevant than a leaf or a worm or the sound of a horn in the general scheme of things they would not talk of a God

Humans MUST speak about God because God, has shown them Himself.