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Myer:
The gospel though having been preached to all nations for over a century,the end is yet to come.

Nothing irregular here!

A Match will never end until the Referee blows the End Whistle and A Fight will not stop until the King Orders "Stop"!

You can not even go home at the end of your work day Unless your Oga says, "See you tomorrow, you can go"!

That is what it means to be a Ruler! He is the Starter and the Stopper.

And that is what it means to be a creation, you are not Absolutely Free!

ChristisGod:
John 17:5

And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

Jesus had Glory with the Father before The world began

How do you understand this verse?

That was a Personal Request from Son to His Father, it is of no business of ours.

Myer:
One of the dominant arguments concerning the validity of Christianity is whether or not God gave man Free will or not....

You did not create yourself like your phone, car, table, robot and all the the things you have created, which did not create themselves either.

So like your phone, chair and robot, so do they have freewill? No

You being like them, do you have freewill? Yes!

Why and what is the difference?

Freewill is A Gift Given by Creators to their "toys" called creations.

Freewill is A Permission to Do something of your own choosing.

Freewill is what we call Rights!

Thus, while your own Creator gave you Rights and Permissions, you did not give your own "toys" Rights.

So Freewill is Only as Free in the Area A Creator has Given Freedom to a certain creation!

Eg No man has the Freewill to Fly as a bird" exactly as your phone, car, mannequin does not have the freewill to fly also!

That is the True place of freewill! And I told you so only few days back!

Tamaratonye1:
I would implore you to not misconstrue my words. I am an atheist. Gods are merely an idea, a complex concept. That’s my consistent and freely given testimony.

And this what you do not understand!
Red Highlight: when you leave your house and come out to say "Gods are merely an idea, a complex concept" you raise it up for examination, comments, queries and challenge as the Op did, which is why you could legitimately challenging her on her post and her thread.

If she loved the opinion so much, she should not bring it "outside". But she does, it is liable to be challenged. For when a person offers their thing to the public, it must be A Good and True Thing! And not a wicked thing or Lies!

That is what God has Done Through The Law!

Green Highlight is your Nature Given Right which of course I am not challenging!

Tamaratonye1:
Don’t misconstrue my words if I seem to be conferring attributes or abilities to any god.

Did you not attempt to Use the Bible Against me?

Because of The Law, "You have the Natural Right to remain Silent, For Whatever you say shall and will be used Against you, Anywhere"

Tamaratonye1:
LOL. Please read my previous post again carefully. The differences I'm talking about are incidentally a function of the " Factory and the Creation Process"

Ok, I missed that because I did not think you would rely on this statement "... I’m no motorhead but if I were considering such a costly investment, yes I would want details on production differences."

Which is a Filthy Lie because No One Purchases a Corrolla or Camry asking for "Factory and the Creation Process"!

Cartalk Section and I will call you a Liar for saying this and thinking to rely on it to make your point. We all purchase the cars on the individual merits of each car themselves. We do not care how much creation time was expended in making the car neither did we ever ask, as long as we know that it is coming from the Creator called, Toyota!

Tamaratonye1:
I understand your explanation about the lower status of women, but I can’t accept the validity of any of it.

Thank you for the understanding and it is the pure exercise of your Nature Given Right to Freely Accept or Reject Anything at all!

Tamaratonye1:
My only response here will be to advise you to Google search "False Dichotomy", "Splitting Fallacy", and/or "Either/or Fallacies", to have a better understanding of the illogic of this post.

Yeah! And it's opposite is True Dichotomy! Which my assertion Falls Under! I told you in the past that I wrote the Book on Logic Too!

Tamaratonye1:
I was wondering how long it would take before your usual dishonesty will surface. You have hastily jumped to conclusions and I will attempt to clarify:

Too Late! It is not my fault that you were not aware that "You have the Natural Right to remain Silent, For Whatever you say shall and will be used Against you, Anywhere", As You Yourself Do!

Tamaratonye1:
LOL! I honestly burst out in laughter here. From this “gem” is seems that being skeptical of a claim is proof that it is true!

Again I am not at fault if you did not know "You have the Natural Right to remain Silent, For Whatever you say shall and will be used Against you, Anywhere" , As you yourself do!

Tamaratonye1:
I certainly was, and so was the creation myth in the bible,

Thereby proving the Truth of my statement that we are not talking about "vegetation" as you have clearly admitted but about the origin of man.

So you did not stick to the Issue!

Tamaratonye1:
Humans evolved, that’s an objective fact, the bible, like all books,...

Relitigation and Re-argument! You passed over your opportunity to present your case.

Secondly since you did not Counter-claim, you can not suddenly do so and make yourself "the defendant" now that I have finished defending myself and you could not establish your challenge.

So sit back and wait until the next time an opportunity arises for you to enter the defendant's box!

Tamaratonye1:
LOL. You’d embarrass yourself less if you learned to read, but I’ve emboldened the text from my post that demonstrates you’re either an illiterate or a liar.

What do you think you were doing when you were given the names and dates and persons and countries and times of the Return of Israel to their place in line with the Prophecies?

M'lady, you unwittingly supplied the Evidence and Truth that the Prophecy was indeed Fulfilled!

Tamaratonye1:
It’s solid proof you’re an atrocious liar, and don’t have, nor do you care to learn or understand,

it is you who supplied the Proofs, I just re-inforced them

Now you see that all you supplied was actually against you, so now you cry and complain

You should not have spoken or keep your statements extremely short, maybe you would never had helped me make my case in destruction of yours!

Tamaratonye1:
You mean by you lying, and dishonestly ignoring the rationale presented, that a message from an omniscient omnipotent deity can’t rationally be expected to contain any errancy, let alone the ubiquitous errancy in the bible and koran?

Thank God, Inspite of your effort to save yourself, you still said the Truth in the highlighted!

Any Statements that is not directly connected to the issue of contention will be and must be ignored by me!

Tamaratonye1:
What I find strange and funny is how desperate you are to latch onto your preconceived bias(es), even going as far as quotemining me dishonestly just to find proof to reinforce these bias(es), or telling bare faced lies.

You and your kind are the ones who are strongly biased and exercising your right to hold a snake rather than a phone, as is your right, as is your right and I do not challenge it unless and until you bring it out for public consumption.

Truth is exactly like the ground under feet, you do not support it, it is rather it that holds you up.

So I break the ground of lies you stand and we all see you fall and shout and curse while you fall!

I stand up and I stand out to be Tested and Verified BUT I must tested and verified ON THE ISSUE AND ON THE ISSUE ALONE.

CHANGE OF ISSUES AND RAISING NEW ISSUES AND DEPARTURES ARE NOT ALLOWED.

AND IF YOU BIASED GUYS STICK TO THE ISSUE AT HAND, YOU WILL ALL RUN OUT OF AMMO AND MUST SO RUN OUT, EXACTLY AS HAPPENED TO GODHEAD85 AND OTHERS WHO HAVE PROPERLY CONTENDED WITH ME, BECAUSEE YOU ARE LIARS AND BIASED.

YOU WILL SEE GOD IF YOU FOLLOWED THE ROAD OF TRUTH. BUT BECAUSE YOU DO NOT WANT TO SEE GOD, YOU GUYS MUST ALWAYS DEVIATE AND DEPART FROM THE ISSUE AT HAND OR RAISE FRESH ISSUES, SO THAT YOU CAN KEEP AWAY FROM ARRIVING AT THE PLACE WHERE TRUTH IS ESTABLISHED AND GOD IS SEEN!

THAT IS THE TRUE PROBLEM YOU HAVE WITH ME.

TRUTH, PURE UNDILUTED AND UNCORRUPTED TRUTH IS THE WAY TO GOD, IF YOU ARE TRULY SEEKING TO FIND GOD, WHICH YOU ARE NOT!

GodHead85:
^^^Look at him sucking his own diick. SMH

Exactly what Losers say to A Winner!

johnw47:
false jw mad max

paranoia and all fear is from your god the devil
and that active force of yours gives you wrong info. fallen angels could do that

Rev 21:8  "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a
murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

He knows he works for Satan but he knows that people have not yet known it even though they are suspicious of him.

Which is why he snakily comes tries to swallow them up before they know it or wipes them hard away from The Truth!

GodHead85:
This is just an illustration of the craziness and eccentricity of your beliefs that makes you look like an unhinged animal in the eyes of any normal thinking human being .

Your "belief" crosses a line. Your "belief" could be racist in nature - but alas, it is targeted to women. Same shit, different pile.

It is a claim without evidence; hurtful, hateful, degrading, disrespecting and a peek into the shallow thinking of your perverted mind. As I said earlier, you make Christianity look repulsive.

I wonder where your hollow, belittling misogyny is accepted in any advanced and enlightened society .

I rest my case.

Yet Everyone man, Every where in the world from the generation to generation, century to century, country to country, up till tomorrow, disregard, scorn, and a put women away from among their members, EVEN YOU DID THE SAME AND DO THE SAME AND WILL STILL DO SO TODAY AND TOMORROW, UNTIL YOU DIE!

So, you are just speaking emptiness and used the opportunity to hurl insults because of the Loss You Suffered at my hands!

MaxInDHouse:
Who exactly are you teaching?
Churchgoers never agree on teaching, so you commending the teaching of another commentator on NL simply means it's the same you!

Exactly What Satan Will Say and Must Say. Exactly, word for word even!

GodHead85:
Alright, I'll put it like this:

I've purposely avoided your posts on this forum because I've observed that you're a dogmatic, unreasoning fanatic.

In other words you can not out-reason me for my reasoning is plain and out there for all to see and examine and challenge.

But because you can not Reasonably Proceed after a bit of contention and Neither can you Cheat nor make Unlawful Manoeuvres, you were shocked that Suddenly you ran out of Valid Bullets meanwhile you are lying fatally wounded on the floor, with me standing over you and ready to shoot some more.

Meanwhile, you have run out of valid Ammo!

You atheist upheld good and proper thinking against those who call themselves Christians and they fell to your swords, So You have no Valid Right to Complain, now that it is being done to you!

GodHead85:
I only felt the need to quote you because I truly wanted to know your meaning of "lying theory" and "womb man"

You thought you could make me fall because of what I said but now it is you who fell and I still remain standing and waiting to be Validly and Correctly Challenged.

GodHead85:
Just because you believe that your writing was "plain English" does not mean it actually is.

In school, teachers teach in "plain English" and if a child did not understand, HE ASKED QUESTIONS!

QUESTIONS CLEAR AMBIGUITY AND GIVE ACCURACY TO ANSWERS!

if you do not reveal the particulars of failure to understand, how do I address.

No Teacher will be happy to Repeat his Lecture all over again, especially me, I would never say anything different from what I have said earlier, so I directed specific questions to specific issues contained in my lecture.

GodHead85:
I merely requested that you make yourself clear. Your vague sophistry is wearying and tiresome. A lot of what you post on this forum has little to no actual meaning.

They are not vague, they are very clear but because you Nigerians are Accustomed to "Spoon Feeding Teaching approach", which is "Manipulation of Soul aka Brain Washing", you therefore complain when you are taught to think for yourselves and think feeely

My students do that and always do it year in year out, but after my first lecture, they are surprised and amazed how free they are and how free they should be and how they have been in "Bonds" and "enslaved" to the thinkings done by others, as if they too do not have a Right to think Also.

Or that they too do not have a Right to Think and Come up with a Brilliant Idea also.

Or that they do not have a Right to Query what they have been thought, Exactly as you said, "Most atheists are skeptics, we question everything and do not take anything just because.

And now you really do not have questions, which is what you are Shocked about my responses

My Answers are Always "Think about this" and if you have any question, Ask"!

You have the Right to Think, so think and think properly.

GodHead85:
You engage in deliberate obfuscation of issues, you use capital letters in a senseless manner, lacking any context, and worst of all, when asked to be more clear and articulate in your presentation, you become patronising, arrogant, condescending, hateful and insultive.

I Freely make my Point and you get it, that is the point of communication. The pain you suffer from my points is because of the destruction of your former solid ground which you Truly thought was indestructible.

And they are destroyed because They Are Not True, as you Already Know that, that which is True, is Indestructible.

But you thought your ground was True, but now I have come to destroy it, and you complain because it is Truly Destroyed!

GodHead85:
You use a lot of deepities and vague assertions that are supported by you and you alone.

Shall I who advocate for people to think freely and properly, not do so to myself?

I was hell to my parents and teachers because I would not accept anything that is not properly established and explained exactly as they confidently taught me Additions, Subtractions etc which I Saw is True Everywhere, which later taught me a thing is True if you see it in Nature and Nature is Everywhere.

And not like the Lies of "Square Root" and co which I have never seen anywhere and no one else has seen it.

Truth is in Nature and it is Proven by Nature itself and Nature does not allow Lies to Stand, So there is No Standing Lie in Nature. None at All!

GodHead85:
I dare you to mention any other Christian on this website that asserts your principles as true.

My Strength is in the Great Knowledge of Laws and Lawyers here ought to back me up for they know where the things i say come from but they fled, which I know is because they did not know and neither were we taught that the Practice of Law is "Work Directly From God's Own Office under His Eyes" which they real-eyes from my Answers and Presentation of Law.

And they real-eyes that they really do not want to work Near God, so they have all generally fled from religions discussions or even showing here that they are Lawyers.

But I have only one, Truespeak, A Lawyer too, but people like to think that she is me and that it is my alternate account, even when our approach to an issue is different and we land on the same floor but from different directions.

GodHead85:
You left me stumped alright, because I have never seen a more deluded nutcase in my entire life on this website. It's ok if you think you "won". Apparently "winning" is the aim here, and not having a proper meaningful conversation. Alright bro, you got me Lmao

This Always happens when you stand on a Lie and it is broken from under your feet.

And I need to knock you down for you and all to know that the ground you stand on is a Lie and and that Truth has come to Break The Lie Away, as it Usually Does when it Comes.

So the "Win" belongs to Truth and to you for now, you know that you were standing on a Lie, which you ought to be happy with, exactly as when you are shown that the vehicle you are travelling with is about to go up in flames and you see the smoke rising out!

GodHead85:
I just take solace in the fact that everybody that reads these threads is not as mentally hampered as you.
They'll have their own impressions of our correspondence on this thread

That's all I ask, "Do you own thinking and not some other persons remote control". Do your own thinking and make your own mistakes SO THAT YOU SEE THAT WHICH IS TRUE!

GodHead85:
The only reason any atheist bothers engaging with you here is because more competent, more capable and more intelligible apologists are no longer present on this board.

I believe that those who call themselves Christians are Truly Examining their Christianity because of Truth, which is why they are not available to argue with you because they would have 2 groups of opponents to fight against,

1) Satan and his many offices eg, Satanists, Atheists, JWs, Occults etc

2).Christ Followers who are keeping their eyes on Truth.

Instead of 1, Satan and his many many offices.

GodHead85:
Yes, you're not even up to scratch when it comes to defending your god.

Do you remember you said up "Apparently "winning" is the aim here"!

So in the light of what you have said up here, you reasonably expect that "winning", which is Complete and Proper Defence of God should not be on the table? Yes, cunny man die, cunny man kill am! You try!

Also, Not one of you is able to validly out manoeuvre me or beat me, which none of you can never do because NO MATTER HOW STRONG A LIE IS, TRUTH WILL ALWAYS DASH IT TO PIECES!

GodHead85:
You are hands down the most brain dead Christian poster to comment on this forum since it's inception.

I've been on here longer than you may know, and truly I haven't seen any as clueless, delusional, deceitful and unintelligent as you.

And here arrives the Normal and Regular Insults of A Loser!

GodHead85:
Have fun with your weird beliefs and convictions. But i have to tell you the truth and that truth is you make Christianity look repulsive. Keep to your beliefs and I'll keep to mine.

Sayonara!

And here is the Fleeing Gifted Insult of A Satan-son as I told you "All Atheists are Simply Satan's Employees and Agent"

MaxInDHouse:
When i told you that the active force of our God helps us in handling comments you and your cohort Dtruthspeaker disbelieved.

Well i'm telling you now that the stupid DavidAO and Dtruthspeaker is the same person, he's just using one account to compliment the other as in parting himself on the back!

see, you how your Satan spirit is shaming you? So everyone who sees what I see is me?

SatanMax, your driving division between I and persons who enter into the Knowledge of Christ will not work, for David AO has CLEARLY PROVEN REAL-EYESED YOUR FEAR!

That some one out there may be listening to me and that when they do see, they would come out to join with me.

Which is obviously the worst thing that can happen to you since you want everyone to join you and your type of Satanness!

Which is why you Destroy and Pervert Threads (AS A TRUE SATAN THAT YOU ARE), with quotes from the Bible used Satanly (Exactly as Satan did)

Which is because you know that what i say is perfectly accurate and right but because you are satan-to-the-max, you must attempt to prevent the true word of god from entering into the souls of men, so that they can continue in their former bad processings of thoughts and thinkings RATHER THAN A CORRECT WAY OF THINKING, SO THAT THEY MAY CONTINUE IN YOUR DARKNESS AND NEVER ENTER THE LIFE GIVING LIGHT!

Which you real-eyes that if they continue in good and proper thinking, they will soon see you and your Satan Sect called JW as the Demons and Satans that you Truly are, which you yourself have seen AND KNOW!

FatherOfJesus:
You are about to have the most childish argument of your life as Dtruthspeaker doesn’t have firing brain cells to argue coherently. I admonish that your ignore, he doesn’t have the mental capabilities to debate without fallacies.

Translation: we atheists have tried our very best, with tricks and frauds to take the Dtruthspeaker down but we have all failed woe fully!

Sorry for the loss you suffered at Dtruthspeaker's hands

GodHead85:
Please bro climb down from whatever imaginary horse you are straddling and use language that is precise and what can be comprehended.


You are using theistic buzzwords and a collage of words that make no sense.

That may work in a congregation where all are eager supplicants hanging onto the ravings of a foaming-at-the-mouth preacher, but most of us just don’t buy into that con game, and prefer logical and rational words and phrases.

That was plain english language written up there and rather than keep silent, you wish to feign lack of comprehension when in truth, you do comprehend.

You are only shocked that suddenly you have run out of reasonable questions and you could not proceed to say that we followers of God are wrong for following God and you were further shocked that you did not have anything reasonable to say!

That is the True meaning of your complaint up here!

If you truly did not comprehend, you would have asked questions not crying out "I do not understand English".

PeaceJoyLove:
4 references here and none answers the question how can a person have faith despite you highlight it in color yellow.

You are seriously sick to believe in that fake app you, Dapo and other demon witnesses use. What a c.rappy app?

A demon witness has to use a demon app!

Lessonteacher:
this your view is maopic

But he does speak the Truth!

BigBashiru:
This is the truth. This explains why up till today UK and France don't want to leave Africa alone. BBC created bbc pidgeon English news service to maintain control over Nigeria - but Nigeria will soon break free.

It all starts in believing that Africa is blessed. Henceforth Nigeria should be called Great Nigeria just as UK is called Great Britain!

They are the sons of disobedience and the children of rebellion the Bible talks about.

Africa and the rest of the world were the heathens and the 'Simple" world who were deceived and deceivable.

But now the whole world are children of disobedience and rebellion as they had sought to do, such that now God is very Angry with us, and will therefore bring destruction upon us.

And they knew that, that was going to happen, which has now begun to happen!

DavidAO:
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The subject of faith is one of the most interpreted subjects of life. In fact it's the bedrock of the confusion of present life. The reason for this is a psychomental alignment of people to misinterpret what faith really means.

If you ask someone what's faith, they'd have no reasonable answer to give order than reciting Hebrews 11:1 like a pre-recorded machine. Almost everyone who claims to believe in Jesus knows this verse yet not many know what faith truly is.

Faith is a gift, in fact the Bible refer to faith as faith of God. Putting this together helps us understand that faith is of God and it's given to a believer. There's but only one thing given to a believer and that itself is the seal of salvation.

Now, how do we have faith? The psychomental alignment of people entail watering down the books so that unsuspecting followers are deceived by this antics. The major verse that has been watered down to mentally destabilize most on the subject of faith is Romans 10:17.

According to KJV, faith cometh by 'hearing' and 'hearing-by' the word of God. But this verse has been watered down by most translations to say: faith cometh by hearing the word of God. This manipulation is common among translations created by certain religions. The reason I suppose is to get people coming to hear the word while taking apart the major part of the verse.

What does it mean to hear and hear-by an information? Hearing is to listen to an information. One can either hear through the word of mouth or even read by themselves. To hear-by an information is to abide by that information, it's to live according to the information.

The term hear and hear-by is what the Yoruba man will say: gbó o de gbò. It's mean hear and obey. Looking at these, we come to terms with the fact that the translations where the hear-by part of Romans 10:17 have been removed do not actually care about us obeying, they just want us to hear the word.

The preceding verses to Romans 10:17 gives us clear steps needed for a person to have faith. In fact Romans 10:16 sees apostle Paul make reference to Isaiah saying some lack faith because they've heard but didn't obey the word, hence they didn't believe the report.

This verses are important because they help us recognize the deception in the world and the psychomental alignment to make people only hearers but not doers of the word. Yet, Jesus unequivocally states that only doers of the word are his family (saved) mark 3:35.

Who is he who has faith? Only a person who does the word has faith. A person so hears the word but does not do it does not have faith irrespective of how often they hear it. In fact a hearer of the world who does do it is not a believer because faith is given to as many that believe. If a person does not have faith then they haven't believed.

A quick look into the society shows that we have unimaginably large number of religions and religious people yet this is never translated to the society. The society is tainted and most people are nothing like Christ. This shows that despite the unimaginably high number of religiousity in the society, the people haven't been doing the word. What this means is that faith is scarce in our society even though religion and religious people are surplus.

The way we live is a testament of our faith. If people live contrary to the word then that's a testament that they're lacking of the faith of God because no one can walk in the path of righteousness without the faith of God living in them.

It's important that we come to fullness of understanding of what faith is and how he comes on people. To do this, we must make sure we're reading the right translation of the Bible. There's a great watering down of the scripture to deceive many and if your translations has watered down Romans 10:17 then you need to change your bible. The one in faith does the word. It's not the hearing that's important but the doing for there are some who haven't heard but have been doing the word according to the law of God written in their consciousness.

The faithfuls do the word.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing-by the word of God
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David AO, Where have you been since na?

Come and Teach them and let them KNOW!

Tamaratonye1:
...Technically you are right...

Yippee!

Tamaratonye1:
Who are these other players and what facts do they attest to in the Bible?

Egypt, Ethiopia, Athens (from where you get your atheism), Rome etc, have maintained their names as mentioned in the Bible and the same Law of Denial Affects them too.

Tamaratonye1:
The Romans lost all patience with the Jews of Israel and sent them packing in 70 BC, they recognised Israel as the heart of all the Jewish troubles in the East and dispersed them.

You have Proven the Truth of the Bible by the Highlighted via Moses Curse in Deuteronomy. "Troubles", "disperse"!

You have proven The Truth of the Bible when Moses Cursed that Israel's enemies will over run them anytime they rebelled against God, which they did.

And Moses Cursed that they would have been utterly destroyed if not for Abraham's Contract Deuteronomy 4:30-31.

Tamaratonye1:
In, in an overt political display of the Jewish belief in Israel, the first Zionist Congress (later reformed as the World Zionist Organisation in 1960) was held in Basle Switzerland to begin organising the restoration of the Jewish nation.

Where I hear you ask? ISRAEL. Twenty years later it’s the British Government who formally declares a national policy for the restoration of Israel as a nation-state. Thirty years later the Jews begin the repopulation of Israel and the long persecution of the Palestinians.

Here you Prove again the Truth of the Bible in which it had declared that "Israel will return to their place and shall never be removed"

We are all watching the "shall never be removed" part!

Tamaratonye1:
So how do you justifiy the statement that no-one was aware of Israel before 1941?

My point was not about justifying the awareness of Israel but about Proving that if the world did not know about Israel, which as you have done for me.

Thus, where the whole world did not know about Israel and the Truths contained in the Bible, MOST CERTAINLY BY 1942-46 AND THEREON, THE WHOLE WORLD, EVEN BLACK AFRICA KNEW ABOUT ISREAL AND THE BIBLE'S PROPHECIES!

Tamaratonye1:
[1] No no-one has, but not for want of trying.

I am happy with your admission of the Truth that "No-one has"!

Tamaratonye1:
The Roman diaspora was not predicted, perhaps the next one won’t be either.

See Ojoro! What Moses Cursed was eternal and Procedural, which Specifically Commemces from Deuteronomy 27 to the end of chapter 28. Covering Everything which happened to Insreal.

Tamaratonye1:
[2] 73 years compared to “never” is practically nothing.

That's why it's an ongoing never. But I know you and I and the world is watching the never!

Tamaratonye1:
Besides, a claim or a so-called prophecy that something will never happen can never be confirmed. Thus, the claim that “they [the Jews] shall never be removed from their place” is a useless claim for truth in any circumstance.

That is the essence of spectators, since we are the first spectators of the "never"

This is no issue.

Tamaratonye1:
The bible also claims there was vegetation on the earth before the sun was “created”. That humans were fashioned instantly in their current form using inexplicable magic. That a deity caused a global flood. Those claims are all erroneous. So picking out some things that you think are true, is nothing more than selection bias, based on a sharp shooter fallacy.

Change of Post and Deviation from Issue, for we are not talking about the earth or about vegetation, flooding and co but about the origin of man/Author of the Bible.

Tamaratonye1:
Though of course the bible allegedly predicting an event, even an extremely unlikely or improbable one, and it occurring exactly as predicted, doesn’t remotely evidence a deity, or anything supernatural.

Sweet! You have just Admitted Proof of Prophecy and they Great Weight of the Confirmation of Prophecies can not be waived aside.

It is Good and Solid Proof of Another Greater than man and Beyond the man, Whom we call God.

Which is still Coupled and Supported by Other Extraneous Evidence which you yourself have given Admission to, Therefore, The Weight of The Proof of God has Greatly Increased!

So we Already have Before Us,Great Evidence in Proof of God, yet we have not Entered into the Inquiiry of the Proof of God

However, I will abide by the same Law I hold over you, the topic is not about the Proof of a God but about the origin of man/author of the Bible!

Tamaratonye1:
Quite frankly, I have a lot of trouble following your bewildering explanation as to why the Contents of the Bible are True,

Yet, you have been following it up to its final conclusion!

Tamaratonye1:
Simply because it makes no sense and I dont recognise the authority of the propositions made.

Remember I told you about your personal powers and ability to do what you desire and you are able to do?

Rebellion and stubbornness is one of those powers, no matter how reasonable an instruction or advice or counsel is!

Tamaratonye1:
They don’t read like any rules or laws of jurisprudence or even philosophy that I am aware of.

Ah! You Enter my World here and I Authoritatively state that They Are The Very Law of laws, Jurisprudence and Philosophy and read as One.

I am sure you have observed how I put some legal principles down (only a little), I would have said more and I can exclusively answer by Legal Principles Alone but, you and other ordinary men here will call on me to explain those principles.

So I have to explain first, while waiting for someone like you to ask me The Laws backing my Answers.

It is even because I am A Lawyer that is the reason I am a Follower of Christ and a lover of God, for I used the Law to Find The Various Proofs and Evidence of God and Truth.

Which is why I stand here and Everywhere, Representing God as His Personal Lawyer and Challenging Anyone by All Reasonable Doubt, that God Exists and that He is Truly True Indeed and in Fact!

And I am very Angry with the Lawyers on this Forum for Not Standing Up for God, for all the things I know, they know it too.

For It is even rather that when I called, they fled and those who I saw previously speaking on this forum, are silent!

Tamaratonye1:
Bear in mind I am an atheist so I dont beleive in gods

To put it in a More Accurate perspective, you are simply exercising your Natural Right and Power to Exercise your desire and your wills over any subject SEEN in this world/Nature which you have the ability to so exercise your personal power.

So, this is not a problem or an issue

Tamaratonye1:
What prevents the Giver of the soul to not make mention in their story that they gave woman a soul? Such an omission testifies already to the misogyny of the Jewish patriarchy, as much as it does to a god who prefers brevity and innuendo in his inerrant writing.

Your Answer here supports what I would have said which is "Any who freely offers any testimony of a matter, Is Free to give his testimony in the way and manner He Deems Fit"!

Tamaratonye1:
I think you’d be surprised just how much the differences between Camrys and Corollas have absorbed the time and attention of those seeking to purchase one or the other.

Ding ding! Deviation from Subject!

We are not talking about "the Purchase and the buyers"

We are talking about the "Factory and the Creation Process"!

Tamaratonye1:
None the less, I still think a deity who has time to mention they gave a soul to one of his creations could have made a direct mention of giving a soul to the other

As I said up, "He who voluntarily offers up Testimony, is Free to give his testimony in any way and manner He deems Fit" Exactly as we all do here in nairaland. We are all volunteering our testimonies too.

Tamaratonye1:
This oversight of declaring the investiture of the female soul smacks of a misogynistic priestly scribe rather than an oniscient god. The same is echoed in your defence that women are only lesser in respect to men.

Truly, The God did not declare the woman lower than the man IT IS RATHER THE PERMANENT ACTION WHICH HE IMPLEMENTED OVER HER which showed us that she was lowered.

Exactly as when a child/Student is Flogged, he is lowered at that time and the child looses a lot of Benefits (Rights) or Criminal.

Everyone sees the Loss of Rights and Acts on it and at that time the offending child and criminal is unable to do anything about it.

So also is the woman's lowering and there is almost nothing (But One) that she can do to alter her lowering.

And unlike a child's lowering, a woman's own is Almost Permanent about 99% Percent Permanent for I have seen members of the 1% who are Truly Honoured and not as lowered as the general 99%!

Tamaratonye1:
By the “Lying Theory” I presume you mean evolutionary theory. You suggest you understand it, but by denigrating that whole body of information drawn from many overlapping disciplines of evidenced and substantive scientific research, much of it supported by Christian researchers,..

I will be happy to hear your views and ask questions on them for your other representatives could not answer when they were examined.

Tamaratonye1:
Evolutionary theory concerns the reality and means by which animals and plants have devoloped into different species.

Is this your knowledge of the evolutionary theory?

I have a couple of questions I wish to ask from your knowledge above, so may I proceed?

Tamaratonye1:
Until verifirable and falsifiable evidence is presented, abiogenesis remains a postulate...

Do you mean "Verifiable" and "Unfalsifiable evidence?

Tamaratonye1:
...but in the absence of any scientific certainty of a creator god, abiogenesis remains the only other reasoned contender for explaining our biological origins.

There are Absolute Scientific Certainties Proving Someone Who we call God!

But, let's not deviate from the issue at hand.

Tamaratonye1:
I will not subscribe to suppostions involving sentient alien lifeforms introducing life to this planet until their existence can be substantiated;

Let's not deviate from the issue.

Tamaratonye1:
Even the most basic expositions of modern evolutionary theory and the history of the lines of discovery takes a small book to explain. I don’t have the ability or talent to write that book here in this forum. I can only present my poor defence of having read possibly hundreds of books and papers by scientists far more qualified and gifted with articulating complex issues that involve the many fields of research that make up modern evolutionary theory.

I'm a patient person and I like to be very Thorough, so I am okay with A,B, C's of your proposed evolution theory which I believe you presented up there and I have some questions on that A, B, C.

So with your kind permission, may I ask those questions?

Tamaratonye1:
I can only suggest you research the many scientific peer reviewed papers (there are literally millions of them) that support evolutionary theory.

My problem with reading is that the bloody papers and books never answer the questions I ask and are not able to do so.

And the person who wrote it is not in front of me at the relevant time to answer my questions.

So, I prefer human teachers, they are capable of answering any question I may put forth to them.

Tamaratonye1:
And guess what? None of it pretends to prove or disprove the existence of anyone’s god. It just doesnt support the idea.

In The True and Real world, you are either on the left of an issue or on the right of it or in the middle that is, you join and mix both left and right issues or you do not commit yourself to any side (in exercise of your rights).

Therefore, when you hear words like "It just doesnt support the idea.", that is a complete proof of commitment to One Side of an issue which is Complete Proof of being Against the Opposing Side of the Issue.

"You are either inside a House or Outside"

And that's what makes you statement "Double Opposing Speak or Double Speak for Short"

In Law we say "Aprobating and Reprobating" at the same time, in one breath.

Tamaratonye1:
I freely admit that your god may have created all the mechanisms of the evolutionary process, but that again is merely a claim.

Wow! Great to hear this for you have admitted our whole case.

For it is Settled Natural Law, "HE Who Owns the Land Must Always own the Trees on the Land"

Tamaratonye1:
I fully understand that religious and spiritual beliefs still serve important human needs even in this sacreligious age of scepticism, but as this is a forum for discussion and NnennaG6 has freely entered and expressed her ideas, I felt obliged to challenge her on them. I have not suddenly or unreasonably attacked her.

No, you have not unreasonably acted I am also challenging your challenge.

Tamaratonye1:
The whole gist of her OP is that her god is a rational and compatible explanation of the creation of mankind.

And save for excessive talk and a little unimportant issues, I agree with her and I stand with her the way you said it up there that is rational explanation of the creation of mankind, which you did not challenge but you rather challenged the "Packaging" called the. Bible and the "Delivery man", known, suspected or unknown!

Tamaratonye1:
I disagree with that idea and the implication that a god even exists.

There you are! See the One Side that I spoke about earlier that you must be on if you are committed to an issue?

If you disagree that God does not exist, it therefore means that you are on the side that says "God does not exist" as affirmed by your statement "Bear in mind I am an atheist so I dont beleive in gods"

You are one One Side Already and Anti-the Opposing Side

Tamaratonye1:
The Abrahamic biblical stories ARE garbled, they are full of contradictory and incredibly improbable information from beginning to end.

Now you have deviated from the issue at hand as I told your brother Godhead85

Tamaratonye1:
However the book and its authorship remains a claim. Its a claim that requires a confidence in unevidenced faith.

Like I answered earlier we buy Gala and La Cassera and all kinds of fruit drinks and wines and meat pies, sausages, egg rolls, puff-puff etc and we do not know who cooked it.

So also can we certainly live without knowing the Cook of the Bible, as long as it Sweet and Good and Available!

Tamaratonye1:
I do not share that faith. I am an atheist. I did not change the issue, The claim that a god created life implies the assumption that god exists.

This is Truly a change of Issue and you should have commenced from this issue at the relevant time for proper address, if you care to be addressed on it.

Tamaratonye1:
I forgive you for branding me a liar and a fraud. Do calm the _fuck down. I challenge her ideas as much as you challenge mine, and this is a forum expressly published for that sort of exchange.

Thanks for the forgiveness, I did not foresee that you would contend evenly and fairly (based on our history which I am not raising up) it is a result of the fact that most people do not contendly fairly, most especially your kind.

But I do give it to them that these days, they are contending cleanly and fairly, to wit FatherofJesus, IMAliyu, LordReed, Godhead 85 etc!

So I apologize for being hastily presumptive!

GodHead85:
This appears to be the “god of the gaps” argument. Where a god is substituted for the legitimate answer.

I like the fact that you used the word "appear".

We are talking about "Proof" and Proof is Always in "Appearance" which is "that which is In View and can be viewed" it would not be Proof of it is not in view.

And thus we are talking about things "In. Appearance", "Things in view", Things Seen, Things Experienced and Things in Nature"

The Origin of man and man himself is a thing in view, a thing seen, a thing experienced and a thing in Nature.

Therefore, It is legitimate for me to lay on things in Nature for the topic is about Things in Nature, and more Specifically the thing called 'the man'!

GodHead85:
The contents of the bible are just stories, which were written by unknown authors...

The issue is not really about the whole contents of the Bible but about

1) Origin of man as per the Bible which itself has not been challenged!

But what was challenged is the Author or Authors or Non-Authoured or An Author Great and Beyond the man authors that we know (Another Appearance/view/Seen in Nature), for we know and see (Another Appearance/view/Seen in Nature) that animals, plants and rock do not author nor write books, so they are reasonably exempted and removed.

2) How did we Ascertain and Verify that the Bible told the Truth and we be living on it.

So these are the Core issues of this thread at present and the contents of the as a whole are not under examination now.

GodHead85:
Most atheists are skeptics, we question everything and do not take anything just because.

Just to patronize you and no more I answer these parts

No you do not question everything! For if I told you that kidnappers are operating along your route to work, you would First Act in a safe manner.

Why? Don't worry, I am not waiting for an answer.

GodHead85:
The source and authorship is important, in verifying the veracity of such tales.

I guarantee that you do not really and truly know the importance of knowing an author, for if you really did, you would not have said this.

GodHead85:
If you went to the market and purchased meat, and the butcher would not divulge what animal it came from, would you still eat it, despite the fact it may be human flesh?

I am sure you have heard the word "Caveat Emptor"! I bet you did not know the full weight of what it means, if not you would not have said this.

GodHead85:
If someone gave you a glass of water, would you not make sure it came from a clean source, and was not from a well contaminated by poisons?

We all take water from persons without investigating the source of the water.

Why? Op cit my statement up here!

GodHead85:
How do you know whether the passages you read came from the devil?

Can good advice and counsel come from The-evil aka D'evil? Impossible!

GodHead85:
Would you blindly accept them as the word of god?

Flowing from the above Good Advice Always come from The Good. To think and See that when one says Good, the Word "God" is so too close to "Good," such that it feels sweet and rightful that they stay Together!

And these are the things I See and I have Seen! The blind are not capable of seeing, but I See and I have Seen!

GodHead85:
Please explain what you mean by "womb man" and "lying theory".

Ok! What you know and call "Woman" is By the Bible's Explanation of the creation of "the man" be reasonable described as "the man with the Womb"
which we know and have Seen in Nature that it is a very significant difference between the "male man" and the "female man" as the Bible describes us.

"lying theory" is what I call the "evolution theory or theory of evolution".

The theory is a Lie for it has no legs on which it stands on, neither does it have power create grounds.

The theory is Always Pursuing what has been created and since they attempt to say that it is a Creator why does it have serious difficulty in explaining and showing how it created?

Secondly, since it created this world which we call Nature, therefore we must see it's hand in Nature Exactly as we can easily see the connection between Steve Jobs and iPhone.

But this is completely absent in the theory, it is always pursuing what is in existence, yet it claims to make existence.

So if it made existence, it must be easy for it to explain its making of its existence and Thanks to God that existence is very very plenty, so explaining should be very very easy and not difficult.

Tamaratonye1:
Jews are liars, you say? LOL. And because they do not deny Moses, that proves for you the contents of the Bible are true? Are you sure they aren’t lying about that?

Sweet Counter But, here is the counter to the counter!

1) the Jews did not present the Bible to the world.

2) We see them denying it but not as they should properly do if it was not True.

3) The Contents of the Bible also have other players who themselves do not deny the Facts stated therein!

4) We are witnesses to at least 3 of the predictions prestated in the Bible happening right before our eyes

a) No one in the world really knew about isreal before 1941 (the Bible had said that they would have been almost utterly wiped out from the face of the earth)

b) in 1946 the state of Israel was re-placed (the Bible predicted that they shall be returned to their place)

C) No one has removed Israel from that place ever since (the Bible said that they shall never be removed from their place)

The Contents of the Bible are True because

I) A Fact Seen in Nature and Natural Living is Always True!

II) By The Law of Truth which is The Law of Evidence, A Fact is Deemed True, if He who is supposed to Deny it, does not clearly and unequivocally deny it, He Is Deemed to have Admitted it.

AND the Weight of Truthfulness is Further increased and strengthened by the fact that, that which was not Specifically Denied is Corroborated by other Extraneous Evidence whch prove the Truth of it.

Iii) The Power of the occurrence of the Specific Events in Natural Living to which the peoples of Whole World are the Present Witnesses of the Specific Events which were very long prestated in the Bible, such that no one could reasonably foresee them, can not be ignored. It is a very Powerful Proof of Truth, For The Bible made the Whole World Today and Tomorrow Witnesses of the Truth which it had Pre-stated that it shall Occur!

And Having the peoples and Nations of the World as Witnesses to A Fact is A Very Solid Proof of Truth, for the Witnesses of the world amounts to Witnesses of Nature and Nature is Always an Absolute Proof of Truth!

Life itself is a benefit!

PeaceJoyLove:
Max, what is the name of the app you and other demon witnesses use to bring out irrelevant Bible quotes? I hope it is not of this world.

"Demon Witnesses!"

He stupidly thinks that a Lie shall be established by the quoting of biblical principles!

Tamaratonye1:
That’s a mighty claim about an ineffable god who doesn’t seem capable of keeping to a clear script as shown in the following.

Care to explain the highlighted, if you can?

Because I disagree but you allege so you Prove first while I reasonably rebut if I can!

Tamaratonye1:
In Genesis 1 the El version of the creation of man and women does not involve giving either man or woman a soul. There is no breathing of life into nostrils. It’s in Genesis 2:7 YHWH creates man from clay and breathes life into him making him a living soul. But YHWH did not do the same for Eve. So where in the Bible did her soul come from?

Shall the Giver of the soul of the man not have power to give soul to the womb man?

If we are told in detail how a Camry is created is it necessary to be told in detail how a Corrolla is made, since both come from the same source?

Tamaratonye1:
Are you suggesting, as ancient Hebrews most certainly did, that women are lesser creatures?

Not lesser creatures only lesser to the man. Animals still retain the fear of the womb man!

Tamaratonye1:
You might well believe in the veracity of these highly specific narrations from Genesis about the cause and occurrence of life on earth, but that’s probably more because you don’t really understand the basics of modern evolutionary theory, in particular the biochemistry of genetic variation,

I do, but your proponents could not defend the Lying Theory when they presented it and I asked questions which arose from it and they could not answer.

But if you think you would fare better than they did, do present your version of understanding for due examination, if you are so confident in it!

Tamaratonye1:
I don’t criticise you or your belief, but..

Ah, so what have you been doing since in challenging her assertion?

Tamaratonye1:
..based on the limited information you have voluntarily presented here I would only comment it seems you have based your entire view on the garbled creation myths of the ancient Jews which does not provide any evidence for your god,

She is not Providing any evidence of God because she is not talking about "Providing Evidence of God" BUT "About The Cause And Occurrence Of Life on Earth as you Truly said earlier!"

So stop being FRAUDULENT And DO NOT CHEAT BY CHANGING THE ISSUE TO WHAT IS NOT IN ISSUE!

Tamaratonye1:
Its been well established, for several hundred years, amongst Jewish and Christian academics, linguists/philologists and archaeologists following exhaustive examination of the various texts from the Jewish scriptures that Moses had nothing at all to do with the writing of the Pentateuch much less Genesis.

The Jews are Liars as Proven by the Bible itself and the fact that they Do Not Deny "Moses and All" also gives support to the Truth of the Contents of the Bible, but nevertheless, your point is that no one knows who wrote it.

Now, it is not possible for the Bible to have written itself, or is it?

Therefore, who wrote the Bible since no man claims responsibility for its writing?

I think at this point we can clearly see by your analysis that, it is not "the man" who wrote the Bible.

Therefore, good reason dictates that since it is not possible for the Bible to write itself, therefore it must be written by Some Other Person Who is Not Man

And here is where He, Whom we call God, comes in.

And after all these we are more interested in the Good Food of the Bible than He who Cooked it!

DavidAO:
Biblical information are intriguing to the mind, it makes people question their decisions and this is why most do not like the Bible.

It's shows them that they the-evils just when they had finished thinking that they are Good!

It shows them that they are Foolish and Know Nothing just when they thought they had sense (yes, foolish sense, that is) and were smart.

It makes them weaklings just when they thought they were Super Heroes!

And the Highest One is that, they Truly See God and they Greatly Greatly Quake with Mighty Fear which makes them say in their souls "so God is Real like this?"

That's some of the reasons why they hate the Bible, for through it and in it, they see that God is Very very Real!

DavidAO:
It’s a weakness in humans not to admit ignorance of certain things so they put the blame on the book.

No, it's the evil inside man which controls him to flee from Truths. Natural Truths. God Established Natural Truths!

Truth kills evil and the evil man has to prevent "the man" from knowing the Truth which shall kill the evil man and set "the man" free from the hold of the evil man.

DavidAO:
It’s easier for a religious person to say the information cannot be seen or known than for him to admit ignorance and try to know. It’s also easier for a scientist to say the information is false than for him to admit ignorance.

Very True! Your Trues are getting plenty!

DavidAO:
For example: the Bible records what happened at the inception (Genesis 1:1-5), this information is right there but I have never met anyone who fully understands this objectively. Although I have met a few who have been able to teach me certain things on it but I have never met anyone who I’d say has come to the fullness of knowledge of that information.

I thought it was clear, is there any further information which still remains to be uncovered?

DavidAO:
Truth must never be established or determined, truth must only be known.

Erm, I think you are trying to say that Truth is Already Pre-Established but we, the man, have to learn how to uncover them, most especially in these days where The Truth has been craftily covered and replaced with Lies!

Yes, it is Correctly Interpreted Objectively!

But are the Interpreters Objective? That's where the problem lies!

Kobojunkie:
How do I test my friend's claim in this case so as to become a believer instead of one who simply accepts his truth?

Easy! Without prior information, I'll wait for his next scheduled appointment and follow Him to his Doctor!

Kobojunkie:
On the other hand if I trust my friend not to lie to me, couldn't it be said that I indeed believe in his truth because I trust him?

As " Dr. House" would say "Everybody Lies!" UNLESS PROVEN BY REASONABLE UNCONTRIVERTED EVIDENCE that they are not Lying, I add!

DavidAO:
How did YOU decide

Thank you for stating that it’s my decision. I’ll love to leave it that way. Thanks for understanding. You can read my publications and decide on ur own too. It’ll be ur decision and I’ll leave it that way. Life is all about decisions. For the life and death was placed before man in the beginning but he chose death bc of his wickedness against God. Everything is my decision and if you recognize that then I’ll say thank you

Sweet!

DavidAO:
If you accept what your friends says, doesn’t mean you believe him. You can accept and go out to say “he said he has brain cancer” which ofcourse means you haven’t believed, you don’t know yet but you’ve only relayed the information you accepted from him. It’s means you’ve only stated that information equivocally and In fact you’ll be foolish to state it unequivocally by just what he says. The person who believes ur friend will unequivocally say he has cancer bc they’ve watched him and have seen evidence of the fact that he has brain cancer. The person who only accepts an information does not believe it. The one who puts the information to test is he who has believed it. Such person can know the truth but the person who only accepts it does not know the truth yet, he only says what he’s heard. It’s just a rumor in his mouth.

Sweeeet! 100%

truespeak:
Oh boy e!

What do Jehovah's witnesses and banks have in common?

They Always require new costumers!

DavidAO:
I don’t seem to understand you. Can you open up ur question better for me pls?

The question is not actually for you, you have the right thinking!

Don't mind that Liar maxinDHouse, he is JW and you know who Jws are!