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LordReed:
Yeah so like NEPA your god always has power failure issues. Can't cure childhood cancer, can't cure congenital birth defects, can't heal amputees. Instead he requires apologists like you to come and make excuses.

Naah!

Not can't but Won't! (Almost Won't anyway but about 99.5% Won't).

Why?

Because, He Does Not Do Wastes and Nullities!

For Every Child Born to man IS DEAD ALREADY, requiring Life, it's Cure, which each and every individual must Choose to take for themselves or refuse same, like a Vaccine!

Thus, it is wasteful and annoying to administer drugs to a dead horse man!

Or to heal a dead man only for the man to still die again. Make e kukuma Die d Die wey e bin wan Die before, Simple!

Foenix:
...BUT CAN SOMEBODY BE CHRISTIAN ONLY IN HIS MIND FOR FEAR OF BAD CONSEQUENCES?

And this is why you would still not be acceptable to The Lord, for everything in this world has its corresponding consequence eg, to not eat means you will be hungry and to not sleep means you will be exhausted.

Thus, if you are not ready to forsake father, Mother, Neighbours, so called friends, relations, associations for The Lord, then you ought to stay quietly in your place!

For even self styled and self named "Christians" have not complied with This Law!

Foenix:
... But I have recently convinced myself to convert to christianity beacuse being a muslims is too hard for me to cope, as I always love moderately free lifestyle.

Thank God you have revealed Truly the Truth for your desire to depart from your former practice at the bolded!

Think Truly about this, if an applicant comes to you saying that he intends to leave his former employer because it was too hard, do you think that that is a good reason to employ him?

For the work of God too and the keeping of His Laws are also many but reasonable and doable, even though they require intense hardwork!

Martinez39s:
But if a person says "if you go to the Christian god and pray and no change, u no go comot from there?" I am sure you will not accept this. You will say God is not a magician or a genie to grant all our wants, and that his ways are better than ours.

I just saw you responded earlier and I do not know how I did not see it before today

Anyway, I still stand by and with and on my statement that

"If you go babalawo and E no work, U no go comot for there?"

However, my Answer here changes BECAUSE, if babalawo has power, it is because it is or was GIVEN TO HIM! like Distribution Companies (Discos)

Power does not belong to him and he will not have power, if it is not supplied and like Discos, if Power is not Supplied, they will not be able to give Power.

But this is not So with God, Creator of All creations and The God of Abraham! He is The Repository, Depository, Refinery, Shipper and Depot of POWER!

And He is The Sole Owner, Producer and Supplier of Power like NEPA in the 1980s.

So, thus, you either have to follow His Procedure to get His Goods and Power, or you shall have to go and buy the "goods" from "Black Market" (which you already know that it is not a good place to go) or you starve!

But the choice is Always yours to choose and make.

Thus, I counsel and advice that you Follow Procedure and Established Due Process As given by The Sole Proprietor of Power.

The True and Original Power Holding and Giving Authority!

OkCornel:
So equity and balance is when your enemy slaps you on one cheek and you turn the other one?

Under the perverse law regime, they inevitably created the practice of 2 Wrongs makes a Right therefore creating the wicked "law of vengeance" rather than equity and balance.

Thus, the solution The Lord proposed to counter the evil law is simply For One Warring Party to Cease Hostilities and Vengeance.

For in and by The Judgment of God both parties will surely be guilty, so they shall be condemned together and none shall be innocent.

For both Parties Shall and Must be Guilty of Wrong-Doing!

But when One stays innocent, The Lord And The Law would Take its Course and render Just is and Equity, even the heaping of Curses upon the Wrongdoer, while Blessings Follow the Innocent.

And being guiltless, is the way of The Lord, Hence the Necessary teaching of The Law of "Turn the other cheek"!

Kobojunkie:
I will not supply you that. You can read through the book of the Law for yourself so you can gain the understanding of it for yourself.

This is quite unfair and unjust, for if I knew them, surely I would directly respond to them but it is unreasonable and unfair to place a huge burden on me to find what I do not believe exist whereas you who claims that such a fact exists, you are refusing to present it.

This is not right!

Kobojunkie:
Again, as I stated earlier there only 4 laws in the Old Covenant that foreigners who live among the people of Israel are required to live by.
The same 4 laws are repeated by the disciples in Jerusalem when asked of what rules the gentiles should be required to follow.

I do not care to examine them since I am not of that Kingdom.

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Kobojunkie:
God still sends out His prophets only they are called followers of Jesus Christ and their mission is a new Kingdom, so your assertion is incorrect.

All Followers of Christ are still The Direct Followers of Christ, As An Offshoot!

They are still from the same One Tree, which is Christ, then branch is disciples, then the disciples have their own branches, hence we are all One with Christ, As Written!

Hence, No Further Work has been Done by God Himself, AFTER Christ Came!

All proceeds from Christ Himself!

Therefore "All is Finished" Since Christ has Finished them All!

OkCornel:
The eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth law Jesus changed in Matthew 5?

No it did not change, it was rather restored for what does an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth Truly Mean?

Answer, Equity and balance, "Just Is" and "Accuracy" (As we say today, not a Kobo more, not a Kobo less)

For by Mathew 5, the Scribes and Pharisees and their lawyers had evilised The Law and perverted it.

So though they were mouthing The Law, it was the Evil Version they implemented, which is what you see in their Application of The Law of The Sabbath, The "Just is" or rather "in just is" of the case of the Adulterous Woman (the man was safely tucked away, and I am certain that the man was a scribe), The Law of Giving and Offerings.

They perverted and evilised The Law, thus, The Lord was setting it back to its Original Form!

Kobojunkie:
You say "No more prophets" yet every follower of Jesus Christ is a prophet of God since they are sent out by God to teach the world the Gospel of the Kingdom of God helmed by God Himself (the Spirit of Truth)

You say "No more revelations" yet John the apostle of Christ wrote of one he was supposedly given of God.

You say "No more pleadings to observe the Law of God", yet Jesus Christ, the Law of the Kingdom of Heaven, admonishes all His followers to go into the world Teaching them the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven, instructing all to accept and obey the teachings of Jesus Christ in order that the Kingdom may be theirs.

Surely, you know that "No more Prophet clearly meant No More Prophets like Isaiah, Jeremiah, Elijah and Co.

Same for John and the other Disciples of Christ,who was incidental, ancillary and directly connected to Christ, therefore, he reasonably can not be severed from Christ.

Further on Pleadings to Observe The Law of God, I believe you know that it is in reference of the Fact that God will Not be Begging Again to turn Away from their sins, And the Records Prove this.

It is rather men who are begging and warning men that the Anger of The Lord is near!

debaj10:
and if I were a Muslim or an atheist, how would ur argument hold water?

It would hold water for as the Originator of this Issue, the Reasonable Burden is on you to state and present your own Truthful Observation in consonance with your enquiry which will properly lay the ground on which there could be a fair and equal basis of assessment of the issues that may subsequently arise therefrom, giving each interested party an equal opportunity to examine those issues so laid and raised!

Kobojunkie:
If you read through the details of the Old Covenant itself, you will learn that indeed the foreigners, though allowed to live among the people of Israel, do not partake of the promise of the Old Covenant just as is stated clearly that only those who are of the Blood of Jacob inherit the land forever.

Out of the 613 commandments, there are only about 4 that foreigners are required to obey - foreigners are not included in the Tithing structure even. They are just allowed to live in the land, but they do not benefit from the promise of Abraham.

I think you have it the wrong side up, it is rather that foreigners are supposed and expected to keep The Law save for a meagre few which they Might be Forbidden from taking up but I am not very certain of this forbidden part for I think that they are not up to 5 out of your 613.

However, I have seen some Discretionary Laws eg Numbers 15:14-16

And if a stranger sojourn with you, or whosoever be among you in your generations, and will offer an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord; AS YE DO, SO HE SHALL DO.

15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the Lord.

16 ONE LAW AND ONE MANNER shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

The Laws which Prohibit and Exclude A Foreigner who wishes to abide with them are very few!

Out of those 613 as you have often said for I really do not know how many they but how many there Expressly and Directly Prohibit Strangers/Foreigners?

I would like to examine them if you have them!

[quote author=madegreatbygracepost=9984406]It is vital to know that Jesus did not say that He came not to destroy the law.

His words:

““Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:17‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

He actually said “The Law or the Prophets”.[/quote]I do not understand, did you not say?

[quote author=madegreatbygracepost=9984406]...Jesus did not say that He came not to destroy the law[/quote]Meaning, he came to destroy something else?

Meanwhile, it is clearly written that he said it, as you yourself have stated

[quote author=madegreatbygracepost=9984406]His words:

““Do not think that I came to destroy the Law.. I did not come to destroy.."[/quote]Please my people, is this not clearly Opposing Statement?

Kobojunkie:
The statement "It is finished" was said in reference to the New Covenant, Jesus Christ announcing that the ratification of the covenant, finalized with the shedding of His blood on the cross.

No brother, EVERY RELEVANT THING INCLUDING THIS WORLD was Finished.

That is why No more Prophets, No More Revelations, No More pleadings to Observe The Law of God, Only The Winding up or down of the world on the Arrival of the Court of The Lord!

OkCornel:
The things Jesus spoke of in Matthew 5 are higher requirements than the Laws of Moses. For example compare Jesus’ standard on adultery, revenge etc.

You’ll see Jesus requires a higher standard from His followers.

Our righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees and the Sadducees who were custodians of the Mosaic Law. A higher standard is required of Christ’s followers.

In addition to what I answered earlier to wit-
" Nothing Changed! The Standard of Commission and Conviction for Any of God's Laws, be it Adultery, Stealing, Lying, Killing etc Commences, from the heart (soul)."

See Leviticus 19:17
"Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him."

Kobojunkie:
How can I update what you have quoted twice now and each time remaining the same?
Learn to read before you respond next time.

The details of the Old Covenant are there in that book for you to read up on.

You misunderstand me, I am updating that you have now taken cognisance that Foreigners are Partakers Under the Covenant where in the past you contended with me that the Covenant was Exclusively for Israel Alone!

So now, I am trying to understand your view on why you now think that the Covenant is Limited Only to the Landed Territories of Israel? For you said

Kobojunkie:
Are you of the Blood of Jacob(people of Israel)? Do you live in the land of Canaan(land of Israel)?
The Old Covenant was and remains a covenant between those of the blood of Jacob and the foreigners that live in the land of Canaan with them.

Whilst I disagree with the bolded but I wish to understand your view on it.

Kobojunkie:
The Old Covenant was and remains a covenant between those of the blood of Jacob and the foreigners that live in the land of Canaan with them.

I just got to this part of your post

Kobojunkie:
19. “Today I am giving you a choice of two ways. And I ask heaven and earth to be witnesses of your choice. You can choose life or death. The first choice will bring a blessing. The other choice will bring a curse. So choose life! Then you and your children will live.
20. You must love the Lord your God and obey him. Never leave him, because he is your life. And he will give you a long life in the land that he, the Lord, promised to give to your ancestors—Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”

Just saw this statement you quoted above!

Do you not See that this is the SAME STATEMENT MADE IN THE LAW/COVENANT with no variation?

[b]Deuteronomy 30:15-20
15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

16 In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;

18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.

19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

20 That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them."

The Very Same Pronouncement of The Law, No Variation thereof!

Kobojunkie:
Are you of the Blood of Jacob(people of Israel)? Do you live in the land of Canaan(land of Israel)?
The Old Covenant was and remains a covenant between those of the blood of Jacob and the foreigners that live in the land of Canaan with them.

I see that you have updated that The Law/Covenant includes Foreigners which was our previous contention in the past but now you make the error of limiting it Only to the Landed Territories of Israel.

For, would your opinion be different if you took great cognisance of the Words of God, inserted in that same Covenant made to and with Abraham, the First, and the Grand Father of Israel to wit "All the Families of the earth shall be blessed"?

This was the Position when Isaac ran with it until it was passed to Israel whom you appear to recognise and accept but it also appears that you discard Abraham, Who is the True Undersigned Party while all others, that is Isaac and Jacob where just Privies and heirs to an Already Established Covenant/Law.

So, would you recognise Abraham as the Original Party and One who Undersigned that Covenant?

MaxInDHouse:
Of course there is always a spirit (lord) with every religionist on this planet nah!
But the Lord Jesus Christ congregates his own followers so that they have mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters in the faith! {Mark 10:30} Jesus himself never was without brethren! Matthew 12:46-49
So if you can't PRESENT any group of worshipers as your spiritual family the same way Jesus did it simply means your not with Jesus! Luke 11:23

I told you that you must be silent when facing the true Christians because there is nowhere in our book you can quote to back falsehood!

you already established my case with me, so there is no further issue, save that you must have the last word, so have it.

MaxInDHouse:
You will continue to cry and cry and cry with nobody to console you as long as you want to quote our book against us!

it is the Very Opposite, I Rejoice, Laugh and Dance in The Presence of The Lord all The Day Long!

Thus, I AM NEVER ALONE! For, He is Always Always With Me!

Kobojunkie:
You don't read at all before you respond to posts.

My comments are very clear on the meaning implied. Yet somehow it still goes over your head.. how? I don't know. I want to respond but I am lost as to how it is I can help you.

Okay, could you clearly explain these statements

First,

Kobojunkie:
We are not under the Old Covenant Law (The Law of Moses). So yes, we are not to obey the Old Covenant Laws depicted in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. ..

With

Kobojunkie:
...In fact, the Old Covenant continues to bind the people of Israel and those who live in their land forever...

OkCornel:
Jesus gave higher standards than the laws of Moses with some commandments in Matthew 5. So something definitely changed.

Meanwhile, do these laws still apply to believers today?

1. Animal sacrifice
2. Stoning adulterers
3. Tithing (people don argue this one tire)
4. Cities of refuge for those who committed manslaughter.
5. Cutting off a woman’s hand for squeezing the testicles of a man.
6. Men with crushed testicles cannot join the assembly of men presenting themselves before the Lord

Yes, they do!

But the Problem is None is Righteous to Implement and Execute The Law, for The Law Can Only be implemented by a Righteous man hence "Let he who is clean (Righteous) cast the first stone" can not be found in the earth.

It is The Further Law that A sinner can not and must not Judge Another Sinner, It is The Job of The Righteous!

And seeing that None is Righteous, therefore, it is The Lord Who Shall Judge Himself!

MaxInDHouse:
I told you my guy, you're killing yourself quoting OUR book!

Ólé aji-bôlé! Ólé aji-bôlé!!

MaxInDHouse:
Why not correlate the highlighted with verse 42?
and the Lord said "who is that faithful and wise steward,...

You have said it and Established my Case in saying "Steward" NOT STEWARDSES!!

So I rest!

OkCornel:
The things Jesus spoke of in Matthew 5 are higher requirements than the Laws of Moses. For example compare Jesus’ standard on adultery, revenge etc.

You’ll see Jesus requires a higher standard from His followers.

Our righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees and the Sadducees who were custodians of the Mosaic Law. A higher standard is required of Christ’s followers.

Nothing Changed! The Standard of Commission and Conviction for Any of God's Laws, be it Adultery, Stealing, Lying, Killing etc Commences, from the heart (soul).

It was so when Moses was given The Law, but because the people wanted to rid themselves of from God and His Laws but they could not, thus they perverted the Application of The Law and "changed" it.

But, The Lord came to Restore It As it was, when it was given to Moses!

Hence the Statement in Matthew 5.

MaxInDHouse:
You're dying in your own trap! The Bible belongs to us there is no way you can quote anything to support falsehood!

"Sanctify THEM by the TRUTH your word is TRUTH! John 17:17

Note the word "THEM" (many) so if you can't point out the GROUP referred to as "THEM" you're SPIRITUALLY BLIND! Matthew 13:13

So it simply means you're not prepared for the work if you don't even know how Christians are to be baptized!

Group? In these last days you are still lookin for a group and hanging on to a group?

As you once told me, "You are a group man" and always in a pack whether Muslim or Military or JW.

I prefer to be Like 18:29, Mathew 10:35-38 and my most favourite for you is Luke 12:43

"Blessed is that servant (NOT SERVANTS) , whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.”

And as the song says

"That great day, is coming, that great day is coming.

All men (NOT ALL GROUPS) shall stand, Before The Throne of God. (COURT)

And give, Account of themselves (NOT THEIRSELVES)

And Every Case and Judgement in Every Court is Always A Judgement on the Person (Judgement im Personam, Per Rem Judicata!)

Even in the case of Several Co-Accuseds/Co-Defendants, it is still a Judgement Jointly and Severally or Independently!.

So, I prefer to resolve my own personal liability than to be guilty of another person's act and liability simply because I was connected to them!

Maybe you do not know this Law, but Nevertheless, you have seen it at Work

"The liability of 1 Member of a Group is the Collective Liability of All the Individual Members of that Group"!

My own offences are enough to Condemn me, so I can NEVER and Will Never Allow Any Other Persons Offence to Condemn me.

Everyone should and must carry their own bag, before, he who I called my group, puts Cocaine in my bag as was done to Benjamin! Bye!

Nicenancy:
Is stealing and armed armed robbery equal

How about masturbating and gay

Fornication and adultery

Thank you

Do not play that way oh, for little drops of water will still create a flood!

However, small offences dey and grievous offences dey.

But it is Seen dat dis Mata dey change, for something wey be small offence fit be Big Offence tomo9 and something set be big offence today fit be small offence tomorrow.

Na the Person wey dey Offended, Na Him dey Choose and determine which is which.

So it is better to not commit any offence at All as the Bible has counseled!

"A Christian without fellowship no brethren yet you want to TEACH others, .." -Maximussays!

This is a Place of the Expression of Free and Truthful Speech and Truth, Convinces!

If any listens to me, it is because they heard The Truth and they knew it was True, Exactly as Written.

"...and if your listeners agree to become Christians who will baptize or acknowledge them as fellow believers?"-Maximusasks!

By the Authority of John 17:17, The Truth of The Lord and The Word of The Lord, would do that for me!

debaj10:
U notice that every comment was volunteered by each poster.
To demand my answer when ur yet to give urs is hypocrisy.
So practice what u preach.
I hope it's clear?

Thanks for the clarity, however my comment is reasonable based on the fact that you first demanded responses without first presenting your own details.

Thus, while it is not wrong for any person to offer up their own views even in the absence of your own presentation however, some of us are entitled to reasonably feel that it is unfair and imbalanced that we should tender (give) our own issues while you have failed to disclose your own grounds.

For the unfairness lies in the fact that whilst we are opened to be cross-examined, you, the Op however, are secured from being cross-examination, thereby perpetrating an injustice to the other party.

Thus, the equity and fairness is that both parties should have equal opportunity to be cross-examined on their respective views and not one party alone.

This is the basis of I, and I believe, is Providencia's reasonable observation!

MaxInDHouse:
SHAME ON SATAN!
So you don't associate with God's people {Hebrews 10:24-25} you were not taught what to say {1Corinthians 4:7} ...

I have told you before and that will NEVER CHANGE, i WILL NEVER Walk with Liars nor Stand with Scorners, nor Sit with the Wicked nor Keep Company with the Proud and Arrogant, the Foolish, the unjust and the unfair, Liars and Breakers of Words, Cheats, Theives, Whores and LovePeddler-Buyers, Adulterers, Cursers and Mockers, Back Biters, Doers of all those things which are not good.

The people who do these things are the very same people who in church shouting and shooting out hot hot prayers. They are the priests and pastors, G.Os and MOGs, Leaders/Owners of churches.

They are the choir and ushers and the Bonafide Members of the Church Goers Association (BMCGA) AND I HATE THESE PEOPLE BEING NEAR ME!

unanonso:
I would like you take your own advice.
God bless

Sorry son, I love myself so much that every advice I give out, is simply because I have finished using it, like my physics textbook!

MaxInDHouse:
Child by cane
Student by expulsion
Employee by sack
Which of the three truly LOVE what they're doing? Deuteronomy 6:5 compare to Mark 12:30

This is why people Fail and Deceive themselves for rather than Supply The Answer To The Question Before Them, they ignore the question and make up a question for themselves, which they thereafter commence the pursuit of the answer.

The issue before us is not about Love but ABOUT ACTIONS AND CONSEQUENCES!

"He who takes up hot coals in his hands, Must be burnt"

"He who sleeps with a man's wife, will not be spared in the day of Vengeance!"

A Rod, Always Always lands on the back of a fool!

This are Excerpts from The Unchanged and the Unamended Law!

No One Plants Stone and Expects to harvest Yam!

Whatsoever a man Soweth, that shall he also take up again.

MaxInDHouse:
Well we children of God truly FEAR to loose the relationship we have with our heavenly father because we LOVE him.

Do you?

Would He say that you Love Him?

Now, let me tell you Another Truth I have Seen and Experienced, if and when you Truly Love Him and He Accepts it, You Will not be Afraid or Terrified by Judgements and Lake of Fire!

For That Fear and Terror is Only For Those who Do Not Love God, even though they think and say they Do!

And while you can deceive yourself, Death, Hell and the Heat from the Lake of Fire have already Wrapped themselves Around such a soul, and such souls Always Feel it!

But as I always say, I am not a party or a privy to your Proceedings of Love Between you and your Holy Maker but I am free to simply state The Laws in force and Explain them and No more.

MaxInDHouse:
We are not forced to do what we're doing by threat.
So unlike little kids who don't understand what is happening in schools but needed to punished to do either classwork or homework, we are matured children of our own God, we don't want to be EXPELLED/SACKED from the most joyous moments of God's gift LIFE! Romans 6:23

As I said earlier Actions and Consequences are Object and Shadow!

MaxInDHouse:
That's why it's very difficult for Churchgoers like you to do the work of God zealously and industriously like JWs. If i ask you now to tell this forum the name of your church you'll be so ashamed to mention because there is none that's doing anything worthwhile, we LOVE our heavenly Father {1John 5:3} but you're confused out of threath, you don't even know exactly what to do so you're neither organized nor orderly! Luke 11:23 compare to Isaiah 57:20

I have told you and said it before on this Forum, I
have never been attached to any specific church because I love to See and Carry Out My Own Experiments Myself because I Love to Know that Which Is True, whether it is Pleasant or Not.

Thus, I already knew growing up that People are Liars and churches are made up of people, thus, the churches are Liars.

And you JWs are Another Species of Liars.

While others are Regular Liars and Clear Frauds, you JWs are Liars and Snakes, Selling your.Lies with Sweetness, Telling People what they would like to hear knowing that they must think it good since people are generally foolish (but they don't know that); Using The Truth to Lie (As Satan did to Eve and the world has done to the children of men)

No church taught me and No Church teaches the things I say!

I have not been to Any Church for more than 3 or 4 years and I will Never go, except as an Event Centre!