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truespeak:
Oh Yeah! Saw that too. They are One and the Same!

Hence the Fear of the Law is the Fear of the Law(d)/(Lord)!

Yea The Fear of The Law!

Ken4Christ:
4. Romans 3:20,28
5. Romans 6:14
6. Romans 7:1-6
7. Romans 8:1-4
8. Romans 10:3-5
9. 2 Corinthians 3:6-16
10. Galatians 2:16-21

5. Romans 6:14- Treated! Repetition of John 1:17

6. Romans 7:1-6- Treated! You raised it up in your post earlier and I put it down

7. Romans 8:1-4- Treated same as John 1:17

8. Romans 10:3-5- Now you commited Selfcide for it clearly Proves All I have Said in saying

"For they being ignorant (willfully putting Away) God's Righteousness and going about to establish their own righteousness have not submitted to the righteousness of God" Exactly as Written in Malachi as I have been telling you since the beginning!

9. 2 Corinthians 3:6-16.- you laid this earlier and I shot it down! Repetition will not give it your validity!

10. Galatians 2:16-21- Same as John 1:17

Ehen, I have done away with 10!

This is a wickedness oh, but I understand, you think I shall flee from the overburden!

truespeak:
Law is indeed a Wall and when spelt backwards it reads "Wal(l)"

You just took me way back to my Law Schooling days and Very First Time it was Put before us!

This is a Very Apt Application of this Concrete Truth!

The Law!
Nothing like The Law.

It so resembles The Lord in so many ways!

Mmh! Come to think of it, The "Law'd" or "Lawed" so Close to The Lord!

Get Ready to Fall Again!

Ken4Christ:
1. John 1:17.
2. Acts 13:39.
3. Acts 15:5,6,10,11,24,29.
4. Romans 3:20,28

1. John 1:17. - Interpretation
"For The Law was given by Moses, (and was Subverted by the people) but grace and Truth (of The Law) came by Christ (Brought back by Christ)"

2. Acts 13:39-
"And by Him all that believe are justified from all things, from which he could not be justified by the (Subverted) law of Moses.

3. Acts 15:5,6,10,11,24,29.(Disposed Already)

4. Romans 3:20,28
Therefore, by the deeds (doings, thank God Again you raised this for was the doings of the law good? Malachi 2:8 and The Prophets have Already Answered you) of the (Subverted) Law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight; by the (Subverted) law is the knowledge of sin!

Oya, take Am!

truespeak:
@ the Bolded Very True!

I am in Agreement for Truth is the Law and the Law is Truth!

And The Law is Truth!

Ken4Christ:
Please read about 20 references below to understand the fact that the Law of Moses has been abolished. The Bible cannot contradict itself. It can't say that the Law has been abolished in over 20 verse or passages and then nullify it with one verse of Scripture.

Bible Evidences that confirms that the Law of Moses has been abolished.

1. John 1:17.
2. Acts 13:39.
3. Acts 15:5,6,10,11,24,29.
4. Romans 3:20,28
5. Romans 6:14
6. Romans 7:1-6
7. Romans 8:1-4
8. Romans 10:3-5
9. 2 Corinthians 3:6-16
10. Galatians 2:16-21
11. Galatians 3:10-13
12. Galatians 3:17-18
13. Galatians 3:19,21, 24,25
14. Galatians 4:4-5
15. Galatians 5:1-6
16. Ephesians 2:15
17. Colossians 2:14, 20
18. Hebrews 7:12
19. Hebrews 7:18,19
20. Hebrews 8:6-8

Please be honest to read them all before making your response. You ought to be thankful that I am opening your eyes to see the truth unless you are a child of perdition.

20? 20 Reads?

Now you are trying to Bury Me with unreasonable burdens, hope you know this clearly shows that your claim is VERY WEAK and therefore it is not True, For Truth is A Solid Rock like Law, sorry Wall!

It is The Law, "Truth is Not Established by a Sea of Heads"!

But I'll examine them, though ye ought to know that you have been running all over the place trying to flee!

truespeak:
I could not have said it better myself!

It is the Grave Duty of Lawers to Explain, Expound and Interprete the Law to the Understanding and Grasping of ground (lay) men!

I will Love to see the minds of other Law(y)ers here on Nairaland!

I would love to see law(y)ers identify themselves as one, as they make their Truthful Contributions here!

Ken4Christ:
The early Apostles had a meeting because of this same issue of the Law of Moses. And they concluded that it was no longer necessary. Please try and read the Bible thoroughly before making your argument. The Scripture must be interpreted in harmony with all parts of the Bible. And the revelation contained in the New Testament is what God wants the church to live by.

Acts 15:5-6
5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to COMMAND THEM TO KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES

I knew you will go there! I just set Aright this Acts 15 with another here a few days back!

Let me take short-cut,

1) First, you do understand that Verse 1 clearly shows how The Law can be perverted, which I spoke of?

Then Verse 21 shows you the Answer to that Pervertion to wit-
"Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us (The same in Verse 1) have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised...

2) Do you see that the quarrel was based on keeping The Law given to Moses? Verse 5

Sheybi dey were the Disciples of Christ and were with Christ, so how then would The Law of Moses be an Issue among their own members (not another group oh) if they were not teaching in Accordance to the Spirit of The Law?

Verily, they must teach "the law" of which you speak about and their members must teach it, Exactly as A JW must teach JW things!

And since they Truly taught The Law of Moses, what then was the Consideration was it not based on The Law of Moses?

Verse 13, James Answers, Restating The Law "It is Written" as Christ does in Verse 15, not the New Law which you erroneously lay but an "It Is Written!"

Thanks be To The Lord that James was at that Resolution of The Law for He Clearly and Unequivocally and Unambiguously said

James 1:25
"But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

James 2:8, 11, 12.
"If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

12 [b]So speak ye, and so do,l as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Hope you see Now, you have further assisted me in Establishing that The Law Given to Moses is Very Much in Force and that it was not "Abolished" as you erroneously said!

I thank you for compelling me to dig deeper into this issue, therefore I pray The Good Lord give you a blessing and with it more understanding, through Christ Jesus, The Lord, Our God!

Thank you!

Ken4Christ:
What further evidence do you need. Or are you a Jehovah's Witness? They are one group that denies the truth of God's word even in the face of infallible evidences.

No sir, I am not.

I love Truths very very much, even if I do not like it.

And All Truths are Verifiable and Consistent since they are Established and Backed by The Power of God in being Very Very Solid like the Solid Ground Under Feet and not Swampy Grounds or Slippery Surfaces or Fragile Glass Grounds!

But.SOLID ROCKS!

truespeak:
Well, it is understandable.

Not many know that Lawyer is Lawer, that is One who Laws exactly as a Teacher is one who Teaches, thus Christ being The Lawer and the Highest Authority on the Law spoke and explained the Law He Lawed!

True and Most True!

But this is where I am very much vexed with the fact that these things were not taught even by those pastors are themselves Lawers!

Ken4Christ:
I didn't stop there. He already abolished the Law in a justified manner. So, we are not saying the same thing. And there are scores of evidences to buttress my point.

When you say He "Abolished The Law" exhibit The Clear Words of Law in which and with which He Abolished The Law as He Usually Did in Every Case He was Abolishing A Law?

If you can, for I have just depicted The Law Meanings of All Those Statements you were relying upon AND NONE OF THEM CAN BE SAID TO HAVE ABOLISHED THE LAW, as was His Usual Practice!

And of course you would have an even greater difficulty establishing This being not a Lawyer!

Let me show you the Law interpretations of those key statements you hold

Ken4Christ:
Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become DEAD TO THE LAW by the BODY OF CHRIST

Means you do not care about The Law! The Law no dey touch your soul and you can not be bothered about it, to simply put it!

Ken4Christ:
Romans 7:6 But now we are DELIVERED FROM THE LAW, that being dead wherein we were held;

Interpretation! You are delivered and saved from not "Feeling" The LAW (The Dead do not feel), To Now Feeling the Presence and Power of The Law!

Ken4Christ:
Romans 7:4 For Christ is the END OF THE LAW for righteousness to every one that believeth

Interpretation: Christ is The Goal of The Law (End in Law means Goal, Aim or Destination!!

Ken4Christ:
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for YE ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW, but under grace.

When you come to Romans 6 you get to learn about Laws of Sins of which the class actually started at Romans 3.

Thus, this verse is in direct reference to The Law of Sin and Death which All Law breakers are Under, but when ye keep The Law, and ye do it's Righteousness, ye are passed over and above The Law of Sin and death into eternal Life!

This is The Law Interpretations of those Statements and it's understanding thereof!

Lawyers in the house, please is this not the interpretations of Law? Truespeak, hupernikao, ogaemeka (even if you were once unjustly my adversary, I think it just to mention you) etc

truespeak:
See, here you speak the Truth which is an Admission of what I see Dtruthspeaker has been saying all along!

Oh oh! Thank you for spotting it, one can not see everything!

I just remembered that his problem will be that he did not know that Lord Jesus too was and is a Lawyer and spoke as one!

Ken4Christ:
This verse says Christ has ended the Law. But you say otherwise.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for YE ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW, but under grace.

This verse is not ambiguous. It says we are not under the Law. What else do you want to believe.

I can quote many more verses. But if you don't believe this one, you will also not believe the others.

Your error is that you do not take cognizance that like you Nigerians and your fake/bad Constitution, they also believed in their Corrupted "Moses" Law.

And like you would not believe me when I say that una Constitution is a Useless, Powerless and Bad law, so also was the "Corrupted "Moses" Law to them.

Thus, The Lord restored The Original Perfect Law given to Moses As Declared by The Prophets, Malachi, Ezekiel, Jeremiah etc

Ken4Christ:
Matthew 5:17-18 has been misunderstood by many till date.

What Jesus meant was that he didn't come to arbitrarily ask people to stop obeying the Law of Moses without following due process.

This is where you are delivered into my hand because I know for a Truth that the ordinary folk do not observe nor are they Taught that The Lord, Jesus Too is A Lawyer! The Most High Lawyer, was He!

And He Always Spoke from The Knowledge and Substance of Law At All Times, which is why He Usually Said 'It Is Written" which means "It is Lawed" or "What say ye the Scriptures? Meaning, "What Does The Law say?. Or even more clearly "What does The Law say?"

Which is why Immediately After His Introductory Statement (In Law We Say Preamble) He Quickly Opened His Mind Declaring the Purpose of His Mission (Objective Declaration Provision).

Why?

Because to Establish the validity of Any Law whether an Amendment or Repeal, it must first Recognise the Status of The Law on Ground whether it shall continue to be in force or it shall be expunged.

Hence the Great Importance of Mathew, Chapter 5: Clauses 17-19, Contained in The Book of The Law called the Bible, Which Paid Respects to The Law in Force Declaring that It Shall Not Be Inconsistent With The Law in Force.

Exactly as it is written in the Opening Paragraphs and Chapters of the copy-copy man made laws which say "Any law which is inconsistent with any provision of this law is null and void!"

Check Out these Instances when God gave a Law and Repealed them!

1) The Rights of Man! Genesis 1, Clauses 26, 28 and 29

Clearly Repealed and Amended in Genesis 9, Clauses 1-7.

2) The Law of Prohibiting the Ground! Genesis 3 Clauses 17 and 18.

Repealed IN HIS HEART ONLY Genesis 8 Clause 21.

Same thing when He Lawed that if Israel did not Keep His Laws, "They shall be Scattered Abroad" Leviticus 26 Clauses 21, 27, 31, 33 and repealed in Ezekiel 34 Generally and Specifically Clauses 11,12.28.

11 For thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.

12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.

28[b] And they shall no more be a prey to the heathen, neither shall the beast of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make them afraid.[/b]

Thus, looking at the Conduct of The Lord, when He issues A Command and thereafter Repeals or Retracts it, HE ALWAYS CLEARLY AND UNAMBIGUOUSLY RETRACTS OR CANCELS IT.

This He Consistently did Everytime, over and over again.

Thus, can you find any Pronouncement of The Lord, where He Clearly Repealed The Laws which He gave to Moses after His Fashion of Issuing and Repealing His Laws?

No you will not, why?

Because it has not pleased The Lord to so Repeal it!

Play a game and check The Laws which He Issued and Cancelled, WHETHER SUCH CANCELLATIONS WERE NOT CLEARLY STATED WITH NO AMBIGUITY AND CONFUSION!

HellVictorinho:
There's no reason why my thoughts concerning the world should change.

As it pleaseth you to do!

Ken4Christ:
2nd Corinthians 3:6-16
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the NEW TESTAMENT ; not of the LETTER, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

New Testimony (Testament means Testimony), thus, What New Testimony and Whose NewTestimony?

Answer: The Testimony of The Lord! As Proven by Verse 6 of the same 2 Corinthians 3 which YOU Presented-(not of the LETTER, but of the spirit and Verse 17 of the same 2 Corinthians 3.("Now The Lord is that Spirit:"

And What Did The Spirit of The Lord Say?
Answer: Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: (He still did not stop there oh but he went on to Say) "I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill!"

Twice Did He Say it, yet, you guys have immediately Wiped it Away!

Does Wiping Away a Thing Fulfill that which is wiped out? If Israel was wiped Away shall the Word of God be fulfilled?

Every Fulfillment Always Requires The Presence of That Thing to Be Filled!

Ken4Christ:
I don't know how to help you if you still don't understand these Scripture. It's either you are proud or you don't have a teachable spirit.

I see you that you are trying not to get angry and I appreciate it so I will discontinue, (I hope) this contention.

And I further end with this Statement that "No one goes to a Carpenter for a tooth decay but to the dentist, neither do they go to the plumber for Stomach ache but to the physician, so also, on Issues Of Law and the knowledge thereof No one goes to any Tom, Bode and Okonkwo for it, but to A Lawyer!

HellVictorinho:
You can't change my thoughts, anyway.

Yeah, I know and I do not think that it should be done.

I think it best that If a person should so change his thoughts, he MUST do it under his own will and power!

HellVictorinho:
I have determined that already.

Yeah, only those things which your Maker has "softwared" and "hardwared" you to do, exactly like your phone, Camry, toothbrush etc

HellVictorinho:
So,shut up!

Like we are in kindergarten when you say shut up, then I reply "Your Dirty Stinking Mouth"!

Then you pursue me round the class!

Don't worry I have run to another class

HellVictorinho:
Your baseless comparisons should never have existed.

Beyond your cars, phones, laptops, toothbrush etc you are not able to determine which things should exist or not, not even yourself!

So you would be well advised to continue in your own place of creation like Camry in the car-park!

If you like!

The Only Way To Be Saved is To be Cleansed from Sins and Remaining "Sinless" (Blameless).

The Law is "Let your garments be as white as Snow!"

Now, naturally once a soul is upon the earth, he MUST work his work whether Acts or Omissions!

And he Shall be Judged by All His Works both Actions and Omissions!

Christ our Everything Good! Love, Joy, Happiness, Sweetness, Counselor, Advocate, Strong Tower, Refuge, Strength, Redeemer!

Kobojunkie:
I think considering the verse in its original context will shed better light on the meaning of the verse

Note: "one". is not capitalized in the same way as it's used earlier in referencing "The Evil One". So it is likely "the one" here refers to humans.

Sweet observation!

Ken4Christ:
I don't really know what your contention is. I have made my points with reference to the Scripture. Back up your point with scriptures.

The Law of Moses came with blessings and curses as spelt out in Deuteronomy 28. But the Jews couldn't keep the law and so they came under the curse of the law.

Wrong! Not that they could not keep it, it is that they REFUSED TO KEEP IT, EVEN FROM THE BEGINNING. They Strove With God, the Law and Moses, ALL THE WAY, such that God called them "StiffNecked People" Exodus 32:9

"And The Lord said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a StiffNecked People"

Whom Christ called "A Stubborn and Hard People"!

Which is why you See Moses Continually Begging them to Keep The Law! eg

Deuteronomy 4:
"Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, (Law) which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live,

And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?

And by Malachi, Levi's, The Keepers, Judges and Administrators of The Law were Perverse and Corrupted!

Malachi 2:6
6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.

7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts.

8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the Lord of hosts.

9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?

Ken4Christ:
This is why Jesus came to redeem them from the law and usher in grace

You did not take note of Malachi 3 and the word is "Purify and Purge" (Cleanse, Expel, Eject) them

Malachi 3
Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.

2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the Lord an offering in Righteousness.

4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the Lord, as in the days of old, and as in former years.

5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the Lord of hosts.

6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

7 EVEN FROM THE DAYS OF YOUR FATHERS YE ARE GONE AWAY FROM MINE ORDINANCES, AND HAVE NOT KEPT THEM.

Isreal Abandoned The Law And Never Kept It Almost At All. The Lord, Christ Jesus Brought It Back and Restored it!

There is Nothing like New Law or New Covenant, New Grace it is Still The Same One of Old! (One God, One Law, One Grace, No 2 only 1)

When termed New it is because it is Still Fresh from None-Use by reason of Long Abandonment!

Janosky:
Bros, calm down
You are entitled to your opinion.
I have no problem with that.

I no rise before O, but as you don talk am I go rest well-well!

Emu4u2c:
Hello Everyone

What does it mean to see money on the road ?

Do not do good Samaritan to it or on it, rather do Levite and Pharisee!

....

Janosky:
"Know Him who is true", that is, know the Almighty God and Father of Jesus Christ.
(Compare John 17:3 & you discover that "Him who is true is not Jesus Christ at all, but rather, his Father the only true God).
The bolded, here KJV gives a twisted rendition of this verse.

KJV is not twisted for it is you, man, sin-full man, who needs correction from "Twistings", Not The Word of The Lord!

It is still clear even in the Light you have said for The Lord Jesus has Already told us even in the KJV that "He does only The Will of His Father", so no problems here!

I hope you know that God can not and Will Not hear the Prayers of Offenders!

In fact their prayers are a Foul Annoyance.(Abomination)!

But for the Right-Full He hears their Prayers Speedily and therefore the Right-Full are not in Worry and Never Worry and have Nothing to Worry About!

Mexico09:
When I was younger we are told the importance of living a righteous life to please God and also attract his blessings in this earthly world we grew up with it by keeping God's commandments i.e to avoid jealously, killngs, malice, adultery, fornication, excessive alcohol intake... we are mocked for our decision to please God In today's world immorality, fornication, adultery, idolatry,scam ... Are celebrated even in some churches if you don have money you will be treated as you never existed...
Making us to ponder the essence of standing firm on our Faith b nah have to fight our conscience inorder to change it damn is difficult

Note: I am not a saint...

That is why it Written "He who endures to the end, will obtain Life Everlasting!

slimjohn2k5:
Judge not is on the condition that you are judging someone and you are guilty of same thing. You cannot be a judge for an issue you are not fit to judge

Reading the Mathew 7:1-5 explains further

7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.(B) 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.(C)

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Pay attention to verse 5

In summary, we can judge but be sure you are clean before judging someone else

Yes!

It is The Right that Judges and Condemns the Wrong and The Law is in doing that which is Right, hence the Solid Power of the Right to Judge.

Neither can the unright or the Wrong Judge for is he to judge rightly and condemn himself?

Neither is he allowed to judge wrongly, for all Judgement is based and Must be Based on Rightness, therefore, he has no power or if he once had it, then he loses and must lose it!

hisgrace090:
100%

Then ye ought to know that you "live on" (be-live) A Lie for it is Written "Riches is a Lie".

And you know all the other pronouncements of God over riches!

hisgrace090:
Wealth is part of life provided by God for man.

Wealth was created to sustain the children of man to the glory of God.

Wealth and riches are not the same