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sonmvayina:
But as for me I just follow my creators commandments.. " Do not have any other God BEFORE me". " Do not make the image or likeness of anything in heaven, on earth or under the waters below the earth, do not bow down to them or serve them"..

Not withstanding the presentation of our seperate cases, I had clearly asked, if you uphold the old Testament?

From your statement above, is it the Commandments Given to Moses you uphold? (Because it appears you are laying parts of the Commandments Given to Our Moses by Our God as your ground of faith) Or

Is this is a part of a set of Commandments given by your own creator (different from mine) which I may or may not have seen before?

sonmvayina:
Continue.. I am not asking you to stop worshipping Jesus. Far from it.. I am only trying to educate you to make an inform decision.. There are people that worship Messi in Barcelona and in other places round the world. They have shrines with the statues of Messi and his Jerseys.. They are still alive. Nobody is killing them. If you choose to worship a Jewish man who might or might not be a real historical figure.. Be my guest. But as for me I just follow my creators commandments.. " Do not have any other God BEFORE me". " Do not make the image or likeness of anything in heaven, on earth or under the waters below the earth, do not bow down to them or serve them".. And I refuse to go through or worship the likeness of a man as god".. Do you think God will punish me for obeying his commandments?. I go to him directly.. No mediator or intermediary... He never asked us to eat the flesh and drink the blood of the messiah in other to be saved. I consider these ritual as Roman /pagan.. I can't partake it it.. If you enjoy it and Believe in it.. Enjoy..

Thank you.

You now see the difference between you and me.

You are stopping from the Worship of the Most High and His Designates and Authorities he has placed to Govern Us.

And, since you are talking about making an informed opinion we therefore have the issue -why do I Believe the Contents of the Bible vs. why do you Reject the Bible, between us.

So you go first, lay up more light why you reject the Bible and of course be ready to defend your stand, then I'll take the stand next and defend my ground.

So over to you!

sonmvayina:
Lol.. Very funny.. Outrageous views.. What you Christians call the old testament belongs to the Jews, they wrote for their national religion called Judaism..they call it the tanakh. When the Romans became world empire, they stole it.. And attached their own writing at the end of it and called the new book the Bible..
There is no where in the entire tanakh (old testament) where God said he was going to send his son, for us to murder him and Believe in his death in other to be saved.. If you can provide it I will become a Christian this night... If you can't why should I take it serious?.. It means it was never God's idea... It is a fabrication.. I can't fall for it... Time and time again God says come let us reason together, confess and forsake your evil ways, I will forgive.... Never mention of the messaiah dying for sin.. To believe those Christians assertions, you have to suspend the use of logic and your brain.. If you can, then anything is believable...

I just follow God's laws, and live each day..

You have rejected the new testament, from your statement now "What you Christians call the old testament belongs to the Jews, they wrote for their national religion called Judaism.", you have also rejected the old Testament, as is your natural right and power, therefore you have no connections with us Who Accept and Stand on the Truths of the Bible, which you Reject.

Consequently your views are wild, flagrant and very unwelcome to us for you can not give us the meat we seek and neither are we ever going to accept it.

Further, neither can we give you the meat you seek, nor would you accept it, so therefore, you really have no business on Bible based threads nor here on this thread which is founded on the Bible.

So go to your own world where there is no Bible, we are not part of it, you are not part of ours and every one has their own compound. No Trespassing!

WakeNbaked:
So anyone that suffers throughout their lives don't LOVE GOD?

I am sad to say, Yes!

For it is written
"Trust in the Lord, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.

4 Delight thyself also in the Lord: and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.

5 Commit thy way unto the Lord; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.

25 I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not (never) seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.

37 Mark the perfect man, and behold (look) the upright: for the end of that man is peace Psalm 37.

sonmvayina:
Yes, there was never any need for it.. The Jews don't have a new convenant.. It has got nothing to do with them. It is the Romans/ Greeks who attached it at the end of the Jewish scriptures.. With the sole intention of deceiving people and making mockery of the creator.

Never met an Old Testament Only person before. Is that why you argue the way you do and why you have some wildly outrageous views?

sonmvayina:
Yes, there was never any need for it.. The Jews don't have a new convenant.. It has got nothing to do with them. It is the Romans/ Greeks who attached it at the end of the Jewish scriptures.. With the sole intention of deceiving people and making mockery of the creator.

Never met an Old Testament Only person before. Is that why you argue the way you do?

WakeNbaked:
What about those that suffer through out their lives till death? Are they destined to suffer?

The statement is qualified "THOSE THAT LOVE GOD".

And you must know that He knows All who love Him!

Opmic:
Thanks, but in the case of addiction, one feels powerless and it is as if the addiction determines even if i dont want to do it i can't just help myself,
any advice?

Addiction is a serious problem which must be avoided at all costs.

But if you are in, My honest approach would be to suggest the doing of the opposite Extremity, for Addiction is an Extremity which can only be beaten by its opposite Extremity so that you can thereafter even out.

sonmvayina:
2nd Chronicles 7 :14 "if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and confess their sins and forsake their evil ways, I will hear from heaven and forgive their sins and heal their land"... There was never any need for Jesus, God only ask for a sincere repentance.. No human sacrifice was ever required or necessary...

Jesus has got nothing to do with God.. He was created by the Roman at the council of nicea.. Emperor Constantine wanted a single religion for his empire.. And the result was Christianity.. Educate yourself please..

So according to you the new testament should not exist?

Primesky:
If Jesus is just an Idol, then you're dead and remain in your sins, and have no salvation whatsoever!. How can you even believe that?!.

Having the form of godliness but denying the power thereof. Jesus Christ is real despite the adulterations made by men.

Do t buy 99% truth and 1% lie, before God it's 100% lie.

This man's wiring is frayed and has been tampered with, so his outputs make no cognitive sense.

ictplotter:
John 10 Verse 29 My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.” 31 At this, the Jews again picked up stones to stone Him.….

Same john 14vs28. You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
To me is seem that Bible itself contradicting, because in the first Bible quote. Jesus equate himself with God for being one while the other verse show clearly, God is greater than Jesus.

This question has been answered tire. John 1:1 Christ is the Word of A Great Powerfull And Mighty Being.

Is your word not you, to Others? but between your word and you, who is greater? Is it not you?

Both!

He helps us And you have power to override Him on one hand and on the other, there is a time that you yourself Knew that you were able to withstand temptation and that you if you had truly desired to overcome temptation, you could have.

Judybash93:
Wah??

Wha!!!

Judybash93:
Good question. I don't have one. I will have one is i analyse the number of theories available.
For now, i don't know and i don't have one is what I'll say

You can also come up with your own theory of it is founded, it must not be the theories available.

After all, you have a head for thinking, research and to conduct tests. Others can be wrong and you may just be Right.

Xavfra:
Bullshit bro ....

Africans should have more atheists than any other continent .....where was your Yahweh during slave trade....where was our ancestors gods during the slave trade

Africans would be Foolish to become atheist for Africans Respect Authorities and Greater Powers and neither are they suicidal, but they are buying the foolishness of a people who seek death and pursue it and have now taught Africans to pursue it, deceiving them that there is no death or there is no Life.

BluntTheApostle:
But you have not shown that you advocate good thinking.

You accused me of being unstable simply because I cleared a misconception about atheism.

Let me tell you, there is no theologian who has never discussed atheism in college.

So, we have a lot of knowledge about atheism just like some atheists have about Christianity.

I apologize for the accusation but you said exactly what an atheist would say with no qualification and no inkling that you believe in God, which you later clearly professed.

BluntTheApostle:
It is people like you who make unbelievers think that Christianity and common sense or knowledge are mutually exclusive.

If you did comparative religion as a course like I did, you will understand that there are other religions and pseudo religious groups. You wouldn't think I am unstable for knowing the most basic thing about atheism.

A Catholic priest is a Christian nonetheless, and one of them formalized the Big Bang theory.

Views are divided on the Big Bang theory, and it is not necessarily on religious lines. There are Christians who believe and there are Christians who don't; same with atheists. There are those who believe and those who don't.

I advocate for Good Thinking and beneficial not foolish Thinkings and nullities.

So all think but few think wisely.


I'll be back, let me run visit a relation.

Playthepianos:
No, that is the most foolish answer I have ever received.

If some atheists do not believe the Big Bang, yet they don't believe in God that created the universe, what then do they believe?

Do you not know that disbelief in God is belief in the big bang?


Okay, which other theory do you believe if you don't believe the big bang?


All of you are just cowards and scammers that are trying to dodge the question.


So of all the atheists that read this post, none of them believe the big bang shit?

Please learn something, atheist are like flies, they land and as soon as you approach them, they fly away.

So asking them what they believe is useless for they believe everything that is not God's and they believe nothing at the same time.

And the aim of an atheist is turn people to flies and unstable, not like a Cedar of Lebanon, unmovable whom we must be!

BluntTheApostle:
But the Scriptures were individual works prior to canonization.

Man canonized the Bible. I am of the school of thoughts that the Jewish creation story was included since the compilers needed to close the gap between when God created Heaven and Earth and when the story of Abraham began.

Even the flood story is heavily disputed in theology institutions, because it is not an exclusively Jewish story. Other civilizations had similar flood stories.

Look at all the things that concern God, they Are Always brought to Dispute, former things which were previously Never in dispute but where Known.

Evil and Wickedness Always says and must say that Good is not Good, and Does Everything it can, with no Limit To Discredit it.

The More the Discredit the More I Know That, that is the Narrow Hidden Way of God, for a Narrow Path is not easily visible and bad enough, Wickedness Must Block the Narrow Path.

That is how I know that the Path is there, for look at Wickedness when and where they reign, to they cover or explain anything, in their own house

But why do they spend great resources and time and energy to spoil the work of another Person, in the House of Another?

Why do they never stay in their own house?

BluntTheApostle:
First of all, I am not an atheist.

Second, I hate ignorance, which is why I followed this thread.

Third, being an atheist does mean that you support the Big Bang theory.

Fourth, the Big Bang theory was formalized by a Christian, a priest for that matter. His name was Georges Lemaître, a Catholic priest.

Fifth, not all scientists even believe or support the Big Bang theory. The reason why they are tolerating it is because they have not been able to falsify it so far.

Sixth, not all Christians believe in the Creation Story in Genesis. Some scholars think of it as a fable included in the Bible to teach a moral lesson.

See your instability. 1) "First of all, I am not an atheist." Then" being an atheist does mean ". You are holding 2 opposing briefs Prosecution and Defence at the same time.

It is long established that the Catholic church and their Priests are Liars hence we disregard them.

On no 5- whoever presents that nonsense must be silenced.

I have addressed no 6.

Playthepianos:
Apostle, respect, sir.

I don't argue with you.

If then some atheists do not believe the big bang, what theory do they believe then? It is to expose their foolishness.

Anybody in the world that doesn't accept that God created the world, such is an atheist. That's simple enough.

The goal of an atheist is not to Prove that there is no God. It is rather, to scream that there is no God and make simple, unthinking and foolish people to fall from their previous knowledge and begin to ask stupid questions that appear reasonable.

BluntTheApostle:
Let me even give you another shocker. It is not all Christians who believe that the Creation Story in Genesis happened. Some Christians believe it is Jewish creation story, while some believe that it is a fable to demonstrate God's blessings and benevolence in creating man in His Image.

Anyone who says it is a Jewish story is mistaken, for the Bible clearly says that God's Plan starts with the House of Abraham now Isreal commonly called Jews.

BluntTheApostle:
I am a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, and an apostle sent forth to propagate the Gospel of my Lord Jesus Christ, the one to Whom I have submitted all.

However, I think your thread is weak because you are confusing atheism with science.

A scientist can be a Christian but an atheist can never be a Christian.


Let me even give you another shocker. It is not all Christians who believe that the Creation Story in Genesis happened. Some Christians believe it is Jewish creation story, while some believe that it is a fable to demonstrate God's blessings and benevolence in creating man in His Image.

Aha! Who you be?

BluntTheApostle:
Atheism is just a lack of belief in God, not necessarily a support structure for all scientific theories.

Some atheists believe in the Big Bang theory, some don't.

Some atheists even believe in Jesus, but only as a teacher and a wise man, and not as Son of God. And they believe that He has died and is gone like every other famous teachers in history like Buddha and Confucius.

The only thing that links all atheists together is their lack of belief in God.

Let me even shock you, it is not all scientists that believe in the Big Bang theory. As we speak, millions of scientists are at their desks or labs looking for weaknesses in the theory so they can falsify it and sell their own ideas.

Unstable as water!

When it suits una, you believe in explosions. When it does not suit you, you divorce your wife and act as though you do not believe in the Explosion Creation Theory.

To us, you are the same choosing to believe a Lie!

ublight:
i wonder why some christians promote juju just in a bid to prove that God exists. Even atheist know that an idol is nothing. Same thing paul said.

Mehn juju na scam.

If you fear juju, how shall you not fear who juju fears?

spyglaxx:
Those Danfo brakes are one time.

Those brakes are one time indeed

AntiChristian:
1 Where's the evidence for this?

2 Can you explain this in the light of John 17:3 and Romans 1:1?

3 How can Jesus be God, son of God, slave/servant of God and an apostle of God in the same Bible?

Paying attention to Details you would see that the Bible is Very Very Accurate and Specific in the choice of words Used, to convey the spirit and intent of the maker of the statement Exactly and Accurately as a Law is written.

Therefore, whenever the Bible says God, it means the Most High. And when it referred to the Son of God, it Always said, the Lord or the Lord God. And because the Lord God was a Major Actor in the affairs of men, the Bible referred to Him as God, since He was God Over man.

Paying attention to details, you would see that the Most High Spoke Scantily at the beginning in Genesis. Exactly as a Mighty Shall Do.

But, it was the Lord God who did it All and spoke to man thereafter, till now- John 1:3 then verses 10 and 11.

Which is what John 17:3 and Romans 1:1 is Reaffirming. The Heirarchy of the Rule and Government of God Over men.

I believe this also answers question (3). The Lord, Who is a God unto us, is the Word of the Super Super God, The Mighty, Who is Greater than the Lord, our God Over us. John 1:1

The Might and Power of the Most Mighty is seen by the fact that Even His Word or Words, is Power In Motion and in Action. Just His Word oh! What shall Happen When the Most Mighty moves?

A Person and His word are the same but A Person is Always, Always Greater than His Word.

frank317:
What?

Did u even read my who write up to understand why I asked those questions?

Well, let me help u... Those questions are just to show that a believe in God still has its unanswered questions.

Hence proof of a thread within a thread, Create your own thread and we'll come over and answer you there.

Today, it is about the Theory of Destructive Explosions Creating Life! Discuss (50 marks)

frank317:
Act on it and live in it how? U are just ridiculous

If you did not begin to live it, you would not have seriously advanced it.

Vic2Ree:
Face the topic of this thread or you can go and argue with your pastor

You Started it! Flee on Liar!

Vic2Ree:
Guy go and read that thread again. You guys were doing fine until you brought up the issue of God's existence

Then you got served

'You guys were doing fine". Thank you for admitting we did well.

"issue of God's existence" ended in stalemate as you confirmed!

Vic2Ree:
I mean, that's YOUR version of how the thread went down.... But it's ok. I believe you

Liar!

Dtruthspeaker:
With the direction the argument went coupled with the resource and intelligence both opponents had a stalemate was not far.

[quote author=Vic2Ree post=91941764]I agree