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AntiChristian:
In Romans 1:1 below doulos (which means enslaved as adj. or slave as a noun) was translated to mean servant/slave interchangeably by Bible interpreters! No offense I didn't make any mistake.

New International Version
Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God--

New Living Translation
This letter is from Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus, chosen by God to be an apostle and sent out to preach his Good News.

English Standard Version
Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,

Berean Study Bible
Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, and set apart for the gospel of God—

Berean Literal Bible
Paul, servant of Jesus Christ, a called apostle having been set apart for the gospel of God,

New American Standard Bible
Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,

New King James Version
Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God

Note: Bondservant = Slave.

Yes, I know, which is why I asked you, if you knew the kind of Person God is or should be, and Knowing the natural meanings of the words "slave" or "servant" which word would He have Chosen to Represent Himself with on the Subject?

sonmvayina:
The messenger...

Great!

Since the Messenger came First, You Must thereafter Listen to the Message and form your own opinion on the message as you want.

But, it is Settled and Understood that it is not the message of the Messenger (else he would not be a messenger) but that the Message which the Messenger Delivers, is a Communication from God, Himself.

That being Settled, therefore, If God Sends a Messenger, if we honour and Respect God, are we not bound to Listen to the Messenger? (I have asked you many questions, so it is my turn now, so I proceed and you can respond)

Therefore, if God Sends Anyone, I Would Listen to Him because I Love God and I know a lot about Him and I am definitely going to act on the message, which I have heard and I do not see anything Wrong with His Message.

It is even that I have Special Understanding of Who Christ is, that even Makes me now worship Him for He (Christ) is the same Lord God through out what is wrongly called old Testament.

His Father, the Most High Spoke Scantily, Exactly as a King Shall Do at the beginning in Genesis, which a Good Son Must Respond to His Father's Command, as we are told in John 1:1-4. (Except you do not want the testimony of John, but this is My Connection of Genesis 1:3-28)

By John 1, It was Christ Who Created Everything in Line with the Commandment of His Father, The Highest!

And after Creation by the authorities of Mathew 11:27 and John 5:22, the same Person who we call Christ Jesus, is the same who is Lord, God or Lord. Or God, referred to After The Creation of the World and man

It is He, who did all the talking and meetings with man through out the what is wrongly called old testament until He came for His Final Visitation of Man, as though He were a son of man.

And that is why He Authoritatively tells us that No One Can Go Directly to God (Neither do you want to) but you Must all Stop at His Office.

He is the Personal Assistant of God.

And all these are the reasons why!

Now Your questions.

sonmvayina:
God calls human as prophets to deliver his message to people..if they are of God what they say must be in line with the laws of God.. If it is not, then they are not of God.. If somebody comes and says "God has approved for us to commit adultery"... Would you believe the person came from God?..

You will easily know the person is not speaking the mind of God... As God can't go against his laws or change.

For the sake of duplication I have ceased answering here in this thread. I have however responded in the other thread. It would be tidier. Thank you.

sonmvayina:
the ONLY way to verify is their message must be consistent with the laws of God.....if not, there are only trying to be deceptive...

Who came first, the messenger or the Commandment?

Xavfra:
He's foolish for creating foolish people......

Shey he created us in his own image and likeness.... therefore he is foolish....

Did I not say Another Issue must be raised by you?

This thread is not about this issue, therefore you have said nothing and the CASE IS CLOSED!

Bacteriologist:
Secondly, The teachings of Jesus in Matthew 10 34- 37 leave a lot to be desired. Asking people to love their families less for following you is a teaching that can only be found in the world's most dangerous cults. It is baffling and totally discrediting of a truly unique loving figure to utter these things and claim his followers abide by them.

Shall yam and lion walk together? Or shall you eat thy food sitting in a dustbin? Or shall you live in your house with a brawling woman? Shall you sit comfortably in your mechanics workshop wearing thy suit?

Clean people love clean people not dirty-filthy persons, unless they are dirty-filthy Persons themselves.

So also, a Righteous man Must Hate People who Love to do Wickedness

That is what Christ was letting us know.

Bacteriologist:
Christians usually portray a meek, tolerant and accomodating image of a key figure of their religion, Jesus.

It would seem like this man that supposedly walked the earth some 2,000 years ago is the most blameless, sinless and perfect human to ever exist.

However, past experiences have shown that in religion, things are never how the followers claim it to be (Islam as a religion of peace comes to mind).

In this world there shall always be fake followers, foolish followers, bigots, lackadaisical followers and followers who claim followership.

No group or collection of persons is immune to these things and neither can they ever prevent same from happening to them.

Bacteriologist:
Looking more closely and HONESTLY at the life and the utterances of this Jesus, we find some truly terrifying and horrible teachings which would not be expected from such immaculate personality.

First, we all know that certain trees only bear fruit at certain times of the year, when it is favorable for them and their seeds. And absolutely nothing can make them do otherwise.

But surprisingly, Jesus cursed a fig tree for not bearing fruits off season because he was hungry in Matthew 21. It is kinda unexpected from a selfless, compassionate person to curse a tree that was unable to bear fruit in an unfavorable season.

And that is why we go to Him for

"He walked where I walked
He stood where I stand
He felt what I feel
He understands
He knows my frailty
Shared my humanity
Tempted in every way
Yet without sin

God with us
So close to us
God with us Emmanuel
Emmanuel

One of a hated race
Stung by the prejudice
Suffering injustice
Yet he forgives
Wept for my wasted years
Paid for my wickedness
He died in my place
That I might live

Emmanuel
Emmanuel
Emmanuel
Emmanuel

Don Moen!

People offend or even Insult you, did you stay silent?

They wrongly accused you, would you be at peace and speak scantily?

If someone attempts to puts his hand around your neck, shall you not kill?

litigator:
There is no point learned counsel. Let's not make this about us.

Let's educate members of the public on their legal rights, so that they can learn to fight for their right.

My contact is on my profile if you so desire to contact me.

Your number is not going through and I have sent a request for you to reach out to me via your email in your profile.

So please respond that we may settle out of this arena.

I can see that you are at the bottom of this thread, do you wish for me to say what I wanted to say to you in Private here?

It's your call!

litigator:
I quite agree with you. You are correct.

But your postulation is more tinted towards morality and the philosophy of law.

But the truth is that the law is blind and law is quite different from morality.

Law is law and morality is morality just like the Atlantic and the Pacific oceans, they don't mix.

I am a litigator,a legal gladiator. I am war, I am fight and not a preacher of morality. I am idabosky .....

You should complete it.

I reserve my comments until after I speak with you, person to person. I have sent a PM to that effect.

litigator:
The key ingredients are;
a. There must be a capacity to contract,
b. There must exist an intention to create legal relation ( this gives each contracting parties the power to sue or enforce the contract against the party in breach),
c. There must be an offer, and an acceptance backed by consideration, except in unilateral contracts such as a simple Power of Attorney.

Also for parties not learned in the usage of English language, there is the presence of an illiterate jurat as provided by the Statute of Frauds.

The illiterate protection clauses are to ensure one is not cheated in a contract and to avoid circumstances of non - est factum ( not my deeds).

By the way, non-est factum is a valid defence available to a party who executed the contract, while labouring under false representations or outright misrepresentation of facts with an intention to defraud.

Such a party can outrightly repudiate the contract and sue form damages.

I see this defences a lot in my job as a mortgage specialist redeeming mortgage outstandings for top- tier banks.

But from my experience, a large chunk of Nigerians do not respect the sanctity of contracts.

We can't always shift the goal post, we need to take responsibility if we must grow. The law is balanced in this regard.

The picture below explains what Nigerians fail to do first, and it's a natural law that you cannot eat your cake and have it.

At times, not even the innocent bystander.

But the question still remains, how well do we know and understand our legal rights and obligations as Nigerians?

The truth is we cannot give what we do not have. If we know better, we will do better.

That is why we have this Nairaland law klinik.

I rise.

Cc: Uboma
BelongTrendies
Blessedkingg

Really, straight out of a textbook? I sent you a PM it is expedient you respond.

litigator:
I understand your point.

But before covenants and intendment are reduced into writing, salient ingredients must be present, otherwise, the contract is a nullity in law

.

This is not True. Every Contract is clear on the face of it and the respective obligations owed towards fulfilment of same is known.

It is Only because CERTAIN PERSONS INTEND TO DEAL FRAUDULENTLY or in bad faith, that is why determining the scope of liability is necessary.

I am sure you do not know that the history of rules of contracts (not Law) evolved from Bad Faith Agreements which was upheld by Bad Faith Courts.

Hence, when the Bad Faith man had Bad-faithed Each Other, they proposed Ceasefire Agreements (Erroneously call law of contract) which is mostly for themselves while they continue to enter into Bad Faith contracts with weaker simple people, who deal in Good faith, citing fabricated laws as their grounds for the illegal actions forgetting the Law "No One Consents to the Doing of a Harm" and other Principles of Natural Law and Equity and of course Bad faith is not Good Conscience.

Xavfra:
Which wan has he not done....

Which wan does not concern him....

You see as a Christian just keep quiet and stay ur lane because whatever you say to defend yourself, turns around to hit you

I will never keep silent unless I have to. But throwing foolish people into Lake of Fire is Yet to be Executed while all those shits About chopping of limbs and wars, HE TOLD YOU WHAT YOU MUST DO IN THE BEGINNING, when they were babies before they became matured beasts but you did not listen to Him.

So now He does not Listen to You and all of these things you complain of, does not concern Him.

As you lay your bed, so shall you sleep on it.

Now you must go to another issue.

Samproco:
Lol den dey do am successfully? Abi den dey try.

I know no oh and I no care. But I don see say no Human Being fit bend how I go take Waka dis life.

Xavfra:



God cannot help the poor...

God cannot heal an amputee...

God cannot stop wars....

God cannot save Africa....

Such a useless God he is.......

All he can do is to burn people in hell for not believing in his stupidity.....

You see yourself wicked self!

The one that He has not yet done is the one that you say He did. The one that does not concern Him is the one you say He did not do!

Rubbish Lies! So that they can destabilize Nigeria and put whoever they want to put in power illegally under the cover of "security reasons"!

Every one knows about perishing and they do not have to do any work to even perish.

But the work is in Repentance and the despising of Wickedness.

It is better to preach Do Good and flee from Bad's and wickedness than to scream "perish" which is what every person who comes here shall see.

And these foolish people would turn themselves towards perishment, to spite you and tell you that there is nothing bad in perishing or many other shits all because you say that they shall perish.

It is guaranteed that he who abhors wickedness and evil, would obtain the Mercies of God. No need to say perishing for it is known that if you Plant stone you shall dig up stone to eat it!

sonmvayina:
God calls human as prophets to deliver his message to people..if they are of God what they say must be in line with the laws of God.. If it is not, then they are not of God.. If somebody comes and says "God has approved for us to commit adultery"... Would you believe the person came from God?..

You will easily know the person is not speaking the mind of God... As God can't go against his laws or change.

You are still evading and refusing to answer the question put to you.

Where and when God Appoints a Person either from heaven or earth would you know or would you be there at the time of His Appointment to see it?

sonmvayina:
I would know.. Because his message will be consistent with God's laws and commandments.. It won't go against it..
If somebody tells me, that God said I have to sacrifice my son.. I won't believe it, because I know God does not accept human sacrifice.. It is an abomination to him..

You have still not clearly answered the question for I am not asking how you shall choose to respond to a messenger.

I am asking when a person is Appointed by God, would you be there to verify and authenticate the validity of His Appointment?

sonmvayina:
Lol.. And I said if somebody is from God, his message from God will be in line with God's laws.. God can't go against his laws...

If God says "thou shall not kill".. He is not going to ask you for human sacrifice.. You got it now..?

I would answer all your questions above in this thread but you are avoiding answering my question. Please answer the question

"if God Appointed A Certain Person Either from Heaven (that no man knows) or on Earth, Would you know?

Or shall you be there when God makes His Appointment? Moses whom you accept, where you there at his Appointment? Or did God call you or write you when He Appointed Moses, before the Commandments?

sonmvayina:
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He hasn't.... That is the Bone of contention.. He has not.. Provide the place where he has..

Provide the place where God said his son will die for sins or the Messiah.. I am waiting..

That is why I asked on the other thread if God Appoints a Person either from heaven (which you do not know) or from earth (where you are) would you know or would you be there at the time of His Appointment to see it? When Moses was Appointed by God, where you there?

Samproco:
Is it possible for a person who lived a very wicked life, to transfer their karma to another person who’s innocent of them — causing the innocent to appear wicked, guilty and worthy of suffering.

P.S: Input from all religion adherents is welcomed.

Transfer? Can a person transfer unseen things like good luck or misfortune to another person? No be wetin winch and babalawo dey try to do?

1) if one did not trust Him when it was well with the person, how then shall they trust in their calamity?

2) if you walked not with God when it was well with thy soul can you reasonably expect that He shall walk with you in thy shadow of death?

rtdCivilservant:
7. God cannot be corrupt like humans.
8. God cannot be unjust.
9. God cannot bear false witness.
10. God cannot wish u evil.

you are right but with some qualification.

Corruption and defilement are acts of lesser beings not Act Doable by the Greatest!

Justice is God!

God, being Justice therefore, God is Judge. And a Judge does not Testify! He Gives Justice. So therefore, God can not give testimony wherein, He may have opportunity to give a false and untrue testimony and therefore be a false witness.

10. Wishes are for little powered persons. That is what it means to be the All-Mighty.

He has no need for wishes. He Speaks, it's done!

iceboy4752:
The topic ought to be THINGS GOD WILL REFUSE TO DO. Claiming He CANNOT is simply limiting His ability.

Yes this is True But it is also True That God Can Never Ever Do Certain Things, Because, He Wills It So!

AhmedEmeka:
You can thank me at that moment and not everyday of your life.

Would you want him to sing your praises everyday and even go as far as creating a place where he goes every Sunday to sing your praises?

That is the difference between you and the Most High.

He is the Employer, Who Gives you Official car and driver to take you home safely everyday without shorting of your salary, atop your salary, he sends food to you and your household from time to time, should anyone challenge you whether you are at home or elsewhere, if you call Him, He would send His "boys" to attend your personal issue, for He never says "what does this have to do with the office or work".

He does all these Everyday without fail, tell me, if you work for Him, how shall your thankfulness be?

AhmedEmeka:
God can't praise his self?

Well that's why he created the earth and humans, to receive praise and if you don't praise he send you to hell.

But if you do, you get to continue praising him for eternity.

That seems right.

He is wrong on this point, for a Person does not need to praise Himself! And He did not need to say this point.

When someone gives you good things, do you not thank the person?

When someone gives you great and awesome good things, that you desired or you have now received and love, shall you not jump, dance and give praises to the Giver?

In your opinion, would you be pleased and be delighted with your unthankful and ungrateful employee, who disregards your gifts, shall you promote him?

Op, No 4 and 5 is Wrong!

I have addressed No.4, so now it is No.5- God cannot Fall!

This is Wrong because it disrespectful to the Highest, if you understood Him and if you Knew Him!

Falling, is for lesser things and beings. The Greatest, is the Foundation of all things and anything not Held by Him falls. But it should go without saying that He Can not Fall.

It like saying water is wet or the ground under your feet is a ground, any one who says these things causes one to wonder if the speaker is insane.

Then you failed to Add That God Can Never Ever Lie, because, He Does Not need to.

AhmedEmeka:
God can't praise his self?

Well that's why he created the earth and humans, to receive praise and if you don't praise he send you to hell.

But if you do, you get to continue praising him for eternity.

That seems right.

He is wrong on this point, for a Person does not need to praise Himself! And He did not need to say this point.

When someone gives you good things, do you not thank the person?

When someone gives you great and awesome good things, that you desired or you have now received and love, shall you not jump, dance and give praises to the Giver?

In your opinion, would you be pleased and be delighted with your unthankful and ungrateful employee, who disregards your gifts, shall you promote him?

AntiChristian:
He is a slave to Yahweh!

From John 17:3 there is one true God and Jesus Christ who is His messenger (slave).

I am not wicked at all. Just saying the fact.
Jesus is not a God over me.
My God was never:
born by a woman,
Circumcised,
protected by humans,
breastfed,
crucified and killed.

The word "Slave" is Wickedness and Demeaning and Degrading and if you knew God, you would surely know that He Will Never Ever Use or call Any person "A Slave".

A servant is honourable (while a slave is not), A servant owns possesions (A slave is a possession) a servant has Freedom (A Slave is never free)

Try the spirits if your spirit dey work and change your Bible if indeed you do not love wickedness.

For a messenger can either be a slave or a servant but a servant is not a slave and slave is not a servant. Study to the difference between the two words and see whether God who you profess would ever accept that wicked word called slave.

And that is even aside the fact that God made All persons Free but who introduced the wickedness of slavery, is it not wicked men who acquired rule over men?

sonmvayina:
I could not make heads or tails of your post, but I might say something.
It is important we listen to God's message and messengers, very very important. Those messages must be in line with his laws.. Anybody who comes with a new law is a false prophet. Read deuteronomy 13.. Even if he does signs and wonders and they came to pass, it is God testing his people.. They won't listen to such a person but will kill him, to purge the evil..
Numbers 23 :19 says God is not a man or human being. So if a man is claiming God what do you expect to be his fate,?.. That person must be either psychotic or delusional... Prophet Amos says God always reveal to his prophet what he is going to do before he does them. Amos3 :7.. I have read all the prophet, there is no one that said anything remotely about Jesus.. Point it out if you think there is...

That is why I asked you, if God Appointed A Certain Person Either from Heaven that no man knows or on Earth, Would you know?

Or shall you be there when God makes His Appointment?