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sonmvayina:
To impregnate another man's wife... So much for Thou shall not commit adultery..

Your query, as shown below

sonmvayina:
So you believe that sometimes in the past ,the creator of the universe impregnated another man's wife ..to give birth to a man that was killed by the Romans for treason..you have faith in this story..

Are you saying that you just suspended your mental capacity for this story?

Faith indeed.

Is about My Stand and Confidence in God in The Virgin Birth Story, which I have Settled

Not About the Merits or otherwise of the story, which is a Fresh Matter.

So it is Finished Indeed!

Wise men Gathereth and Layeth up Knowledge

litigator:
Section 126, 131, 132 and 133 of the Evidence Act, LFN 2011.

But this is internet space and my ISP is an American company

International Laws can be applied in this regard right?

S131(2) says you Must Prove the Existence of a Fact alleged as you have done for na you allege

"Chronicles Of A Litigator Who Believes God Is Not A Christain. by litigator(m): 9:40pm On Jul 18
Don't ask me why I don't believe God is a christain"

S126, Oral Evidence Must be Direct (This is Documentary Evidence), dis one don fall oh

S132, and S123 is Shifting of Burden of Proof, you have not given proof, no to talk of shifting it This one too, falls.

Defence of American ISP, = This defence does not hold you because it is not the Post Office who delivers Your Allegation that is in issue, but the Content of your Allegation!

My Lord, it is our humble application that this matter be struck out with Cost in the Sum of N2Billion! (Na Dbanju and Ned Nwoke cause am)

Bros abeg eh, make we dey play court dey go, since Lagos no wan open court for efribody!

litigator:
Don't ask me why I don't believe God is a christain. If you suffer me too much, I will take the 5th amendment.

But you can ask Archbishop Desmond Tutu. He should have an answer, afterall, he wrote a book titled " God is not a Christian".

Funny, you can not take the 5th Amendment while you are on Nairaland Jurisdiction regulated by the Nigerian Laws not American, where 5th Amendment applies.

2) He who alleges, bears the burden of proof and therefore can not refrain from Proving his own matter, else his allegation is not True and Judgment Entered Against him!

He who Makes the Law, is the Law!

He who makes a Law, can not be a subject of the Law Which He makes!

He who makes a Law can Elect to be Bound by it or Can Remove Himself, from the bounds thereof!

But He is Always Above the Law, which He Makes!

winner01:
The Creator of the universe is not bound by His created laws.

He who makes a Law is ALWAYS Over and Above the Law which He Makes!

Op, you must have certainly got this from Dr Kent Hovind's Beautiful Response to the questions, “Where did God come from ... on YouTube!

Acehart:
Muttleylaff, did you see the subtle jibe?

Jibe? Who am I going against that I need to throw a jibe?

Acehart:
Muttleylaff, did you see the subtle slur?

Now it has begun! Slur? What slur?

sonmvayina:
But the truth is that this never happened as it is a fabrication by the Romans to mock the creator of heaven and earth... You fell for it..

Wakee up.

In my Sleep I can still answer that You Yourself Do Not know if it is a Fabrication or not, for a Truth, for you and I were not there, when it happened.

Which is why I answered that Such Acts Will Be Consistent to the Acts of A God, Who should not Only Do the Possibilities but the Impossibles as Well!!!

Acehart:
Even if it can not be fully presented, just give us some bullets; those events that are ongoing can also be put in bullet forms. We will appreciate your effort and further discussion can be made as per each bullets.

I understand, but please bear with what I am about to say, for I say it with no intention to cause offence but to advance Correction.

I understand that the Nigerian Education is "A Spoon Feeding type of Education, which is what I believe makes the Average Nigerian Susceptible and Vulnerable to Deception RATHER THAN Personal Inquest and Research and Discovery! Which is what I am asking Everyone to do, so that no one is Misled or Deceived.

Thus, i bring all I told Mutley in Private lest it looks like I do not equally care for your good welfare also! As amended because Mutley said I did not talk about Rapture, which in mind is what this thread is about and the reason of which I made all my comments.

So, here I go!

I Hail you Too, oh my that was a 2derfull engagement last night!

This is what I had wanted to put up but I do not want to raise a Controversy, over an unfinished work!

Ah! I am saying (Rapture is)
1) It is Not going to Play out the way men have Calculated that it shall play out.

2) And we are using what Christ said "I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

And he said also to the people, When ye see a cloud rise out of the west, straightway ye say, There cometh a shower; and so it is.

And when ye see the south wind blow, ye say, There will be heat; and it cometh to pass.

Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time ? (Luke 13: 49 and 54-56)

That Statement is The Guide, And the events going on in the the world, is Giving us Feedback as a Gauge, leading us to come to this Conclusion.

And one of the Feedbacks we have seen, is that those who Genuinely Do The Righteousness of God, their Righteousness Have Increased and they are Separated from Their Families and People, and Hated by them and all, for their Righteousness, which is the very Righteousness of God. (As is Written in) Joel 2:28

"And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh;"

On the other hand, those who are not of God, their Wickedness and Evil is greatly increased, just as it is Written (in). Revelation 6:1-4

" And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. (This was the Revival Period we experienced when the Worship of God was at its Hottest and churches Rose up as grasses eg RCCG, KICC, LATTER RAIN, CHRIST EMBASSY etc) (My own personal opinion, Knowing that before the 90s and 2000s, church activities was very dull when compared to this period. And once more, today, there is even an aparthy to the church because of the Deceits and Wrongs Perpetrated by the Church.)=My Own Opinion, I Say, make una no chop me, abeg oh!

3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. (Does the news not confirm these Notable Killings and Grievous Woundings and Wickedness as Stated in Mathew 24: 12 "And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold?" See the Terrible News and Newses, we see even on Nairaland's front page, I wish for death and good news is Scarce!

And these two groups hate each other, and can quickly identify each other, hence a Separation, which we now think that this is the Rapture.

The Separation of the sheep from the goat! (The Righteous and good from Wickedness and Evil!)

What do you think?

In addition, Christ Expressly

John 14:30
"Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me."

Which we Also see is happening, even today!

No True Prophecies Given, No Instructions, Nothing New from God. Only a Heavy Silence!

These are the things I see, others outside Nairaland too confirm it, and Truespeak also affirms it!

So let me brace for Impact!

MuttleyLaff:
I am not Nicodemus and so not cut out for clandestine meetings, especially when it's concerning the rapture doctrine, but if that's how you roll, then so be it

I understand, but, it is a Work in Progress, that can not be fully Presented here, since the Event itself is still on going and is not past, therfore it is subject to change, which means our present Conclusion may change also.

MuttleyLaff:
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You dont want to commit yourself

Dtruthspeaker, fyi only served to obfuscate than to shed light

"When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, “Give Me a drink.”"
- John 4:7

It is that your very own flask, I want a drink of water from and please Dtruthspeaker CYM

, ho, your wisdom is very plenty!
I have sent a PM, this Part has to be Personal.

MuttleyLaff:
We know how and with what Noah and the seven others were not left behind. We also know how and with what Lot and his family bar his wife were not left behind, but since missyajoke and truespeak are shy to explain in layman's term what the rapture doctrine is, how it will happen and cite bible verse(s) to back up the viewpoint, please kindly step in Dtruthspeaker, to save the day and spare them their blushes, by explaining specifically what rapture is and how exactly it will happen. Thank you, as you present your fact(s) with bible verse support.

Ah! I am saying
1) It is Not going to Play out the way men have Calculated that it shall play out.

2) And we are using what Christ said "I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

And he said also to the people, When ye see a cloud rise out of the west, straightway ye say, There cometh a shower; and so it is.

And when ye see the south wind blow, ye say, There will be heat; and it cometh to pass.

Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time ?

And the peoples of the world and the news today confirm our conclusions.

But it is our Conclusion, another may arrive at a different conclusion and it is not our will to impose our Conclusion upon any one.

Let everyone drink from their own Flask and let everyone arrive at their own Conclusion, for themselves!

Kobojunkie:
Men! See, I warned against the literal interpretation of John's dream.

What do you mean by this? Do you have vision in your dictionary? If you do, what does it mean,?

Or were you trying to say that that the interpretations we give to prophecies are not likely to play out but that they shall play out in another way we do not see?

We do not mind a clear explanation on this dream/prophecy issue.

The mic and floor is yours!

MuttleyLaff:
Nothing is told me anything, but that if you are anything at all being honest, sincere and truthful, you will talk about what your position really and exactly is, concerning what is the rapture doctrine, how it will happen and cite bible verse(s) to back up your position

Let me throw in a little more facts here, a close look at every Prophecy in the past, NEVER TURNED OUT the Way Man Reasonably Foresees!

I and Truespeak think that this Rapture Event would not be different! And we see many signs further grounding this belief going on around us in this country.

But as you can immediately see, it is Novel, and still under constant observation, though we personally have come to the conclusion that Rapture has begun.

I wish OpenYourEyes would come in to explain his own view for he posted on "Separation" which I think is still the purpose of 'Rapture"!

MuttleyLaff:
Enjoy is my second middle name. I did, I enjoyed it as much as you, if not more than you.

MuttleyLaff:
"For, “Who can know the LORD’s thoughts? Who knows enough to teach him?”
But we understand these things, for we have the mind of Christ."
- 1 Corinthians 2:16

"God made him who had no sin to be sin for us,
so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."
- 2 Corinthians 5:21

By implication, I am informing you that Jesus raised His nose, to ignore and/or disregard the Levitical priesthood in favour of the order of Melchizedek

Every believer, man, woman, son, daughter or child of God are dissimilar as the Sin-Full children of Levi because we operate in order of Melchizedek, working and ruling secularly as kings also spiritually be a mediatory agent between humans and God, specifically as priests, the same way Melchizedek was for Abraham. You do know, the Bible only addressed Abraham to be a prophet, but never a priest, except for in apocryphal source(s)

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Where did I say "pastors and priests" are Levites in the Order of Melchizedek?

, we are saying the same thing from different stand points. I was holding focus that you were advocating for the pastors and Priests (the issue of this thread) in accordance to the Levites and that you tied it in to Melchizedek.

Truly All things Are One with God and in God!

Sorry for the mix up, but I did enjoy the banter, hope you did.

dontrulee:
By his foolishness you say?
is Solomon not the wisest man ever to be?
if Solomon is considered foolish in your sight, then how great must be your foolishness??
Think about it!

First, He was not the wisest man!

Secondly, where he had wisdom, he lost it!

And thirdly, if you are a fool, you are a fool for thyself; and if I be wise, I be wise for myself!

Daejoyoung:
When you tell yourself that you would complete your PhD for example, even where all the odds are against you completing it, and without any real evidence that you will, when you believe and continue to read, that is Faith.

This Hope not faith!

MuttleyLaff:
"Two are better than one,
because they have a good return for their labor:"
- Ecclesiastes 4:9

Just because Melchizedek's birth and birth was unknown, doesn't mean nor imply that Melchizedek had no date of birth and date of death. You don't understand the POV, Hebrews 7:3 is making

1/ What is/are the major points that qualifies one to be a Levite?
2/ Why did Jesus adopt and favour the Melchizedek priesthood order over the Levitical priesthood?

Two is stronger than one. Since the Levitical order is singular, and the order of Melchizedek is dual, then Ecclesiastes 4:9 above, attests that the Melchizedek priesthood order is better, superior, not limited like the Levitical order is.

We are doing full circle, cycling back to the beginning in everything

By implication, you are Equating, King Melchizedek, King of Righteousness (Sound familiar?), King of Salem, meaning, King of Peace (Who do we call the Prince of Peace Again?) to the Similitude of Sin-Full children of Levi?

Even in the Clear Presentation that Melchizedek was a Great High Priest of God, Whom the Great father of Levi, Abraham, without Whom, there would be no Levi, Paid Obeisance and Received Blessings from Him,?

And even to the very defying that Paul, whom you first claimed, had Expressly Said "And without all contradiction the less is blessed of a better?

Well, all these debates are going aside the issue, which I say, pastors and Priests fend for yourselves and disturb no one as it was in the beginning whilst you say they are Levites in the Order of Melchizedek!

So judgment of it goes to both the people out there and to the Lord High Above All!!

Kobojunkie:
Tell them please

We have Clearly Described the Souls that may walk with us as Distinct from those whose shadow, would not fall upon us!

And this is the "Rapture"!

LikeAking:
If you are wise abstain from religious extremism.It will only make you a timid and dumb man.

At the end of the day your life will be filled with regrets.

live a normal life.

You are a human being not a ghost.Live your nlife like a human being.

Don't allow a religious doctrines skew your life.

Religious doctrines are filled with lots of negative vibes designed to ruin the life of people at the expense of the religious organizations.

This is the reason why most big religious leaders don't follow/obey their religious doctrines/teachings next they know the truth.

You should focus your attention on reality.

Mingle with ever human being,no B.s.

Don't invest too much time in the unseen world.

Neither do we keep the Company of who know not God, neither they glorified him as God, neither were thankful; but are vain in their imaginations, and foolish though professing themselves to be wise.

Who dishonour their own bodies between themselves and changed the Truth of God into a Lie.

And worshipped the creation more than the Creator.

Having vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

And likewise the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust, one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly.

And who Hate to retain God in their knowledge, being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

All Who Do these, are An Abomination to Us!

LikeAking:
If you are wise abstain from religious extremism.It will only make you a timid and dumb man.

At the end of the day your life will be filled with regrets.

live a normal life.

You are a human being not a ghost.Live your nlife like a human being.

Don't allow a religious doctrines skew your life.

Religious doctrines are filled with lots of negative vibes designed to ruin the life of people at the expense of the religious organizations.

This is the reason why most big religious leaders don't follow/obey their religious doctrines/teachings next they know the truth.

You should focus your attention on reality.

Mingle with ever human being,no B.s.

Don't invest too much time in the unseen world.

For Our Way of Life is to

"Walk not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor Stand in the way of Sinners, Nor Sit in (or with) the seat of the scornful.

But To Delight in the Law of the Lord; and in His Law doth we meditate day and night.

That is Our Tradition and Our Profession!

Daejoyoung:
The bible did not promise a so called heaven in the sky. The bible speaks about a resurrection and the righteous inheriting the earth. Did the old testament also tell us if David or Abraham made heaven? I don't think it did. That's because the Christian notion of going to heaven is an evolved doctrine. What the people of the bible looked forward to was the "resurrection" with new bodies, living in new jerusalem ( the land flowing with milk and honey).

So in that sense, neither Solomon, David, Abraham, etc made heaven, from my understanding of the bible though, and yes I could be wrong or right, it's open for discussion.

I believe you are right which is why my present Stand is to "Enter the Rest of the Lord" or in the alternative, I would have said "Enter into the Kingdom of God".

But we understand that this Case is about Rising up to the Resurrection of Life and not death!

truespeak:
Beautiful!

Thank you, I Give Glory to the Highest and I am much honoured!

But I know you know these things too and you would have also said something Beautiful, if it had been asked you

MuttleyLaff:
Where does royal priesthood belong?
Is it the Levitical order or the Melchizedek order?
The kingly and priestly statuses we are enjoying is in line with the order of Melchizedek style. Didnt you compute that ni?

It is in the Levitical order that you are restricted to only doing temple duties/work and nothing else. As a Levite, you aren't expected to earn a secular living. You are not entitled to have an inheritance or own a land. Every other tribe in Israel had a land inheritance except for the tribe of Levi

Which Came First and Who is Greater? Is it not Melchizedek, Whom we are told his birth is Unknown and his death, also Unknown (Does He not look like someone we know? ) Hebrews 7:3.

Seeing the Similarity of Melchizedek to Christ, I think it safe and reasonable to come to the conclusion that "as it was in the beginning, so shall it be" That we have begun Our Trip Back to the Beginning, With Everything once more, Starting with Christ, the Word, (John 1:1-4), Again!

The Role and Job of the Levites have been Taken Over, by the Lord, Himself!

And if Taken Over, then the.Duties of the Levites have been Discharged!

And all Obligations Owed them, Are Now therefore, Released!