Dotherightthing:


Don't mind the looonatic!

They desperately trying to instigate a 'Biafra' in the SW.

They don't know Yorubas and northerners are far smarter than they are.

Why would any sound sensible person remotely insinuates Yoruba will fight to actualize Republic of Southern Nigeria talk less Biafra? Yoruba are field enemies of Biafra.

Sagay clearly stated Anioma is from Edo State.

Sagay said "It should not be forgotten that the Anioma part of the present Delta State came from Edo province. It was never part of Delta province. It is therefore an unacceptable outrage for a territory transferred from Edo State to join us, to be made our capital."

The dude is phony professor. There was nothing such as Edo province. There were Benin and Warri provinces.

imhotep:
No wonder Nigerian universities are run down.

Sagay claimed to be a constitutional lawyer still he does not know the functionalities of the Senate. I hope no university in Nigeria still retains the services of the jackass.

Ariani:
"Here again, fellow Nigerians are capitalising on the unfortunate plight of another group of Nigerians. Should Asaba, which strictly belongs to the Igbo National Group be capital of a state of the Delta peoples? If then by a gross anomaly, this wrong has been inflicted on the Delta people, should this be confounded by an extra injury of governorship? Would that not effectively make the Anioma the colonial overlord of the Deltans?"

Sagay couldn't even set aside his ethnic bigotry and work for the unity of delta state, but he is expected to work for the unity of Nigeria.

Is it surprising that he had taken his personal battle with Igbos in Delta to Igbos in the national politics, the moment he was offered a platform by the Nigerian people?

Why focus on the symptom, Ndiigbo, when you lots could cure the disease itself?

The dude suffers from inferior mentality. In legal profession in Delta State alone, Sagay is nobody.

Rossnitti:


Can't you use your brain the way others have done on this thread, in noting that we are[b] referring to the territory known [/b] today as Nigeria?

You claim to be educated yet we must spoon-feed you like a toddler.

I am trying very hard to use may brain. It is said the a sentence translate a thought. You wrote "Nigeria was technologically advanced before European colonialism". I do not need to infer on what you mean. Which territory is known today as Nigeria? Or you meant territories known today as Nigeria? Oh, now I am getting the drift from a typical Nigerian who usually had something else in mind and wrote down another thing on paper. By the way, which of the territories known today as Nigeria was technologically advanced before advent of the Europeans in Africa?

Rossnitti:


Speech

The first words by humans were spoken by Africans.

''Using statistical methods to estimate the time required to achieve the current spread and diversity in modern languages today, Johanna Nichols — a linguist at the University of California, Berkeley — argues that vocal language must have arisen in our species at least 100,000 years ago. Using phonemic diversity, a more recent analysis offers directly linguistic support for a similar date. Estimates of this kind are independently supported by genetic, archaeological, palaeontological and much other evidence suggesting that language probably emerged somewhere in sub-Saharan Africa during the Middle Stone Age, roughly contemporaneous with the speciation of Homo sapiens.''


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_language

It is logically laughable to claim Africans invented "Speech". How did Africans teach other inhabitants of the earth how to talk? By the way, in what vernacular? Yes! Yes!!, Africans invented the word, technology. I use to listen to my grandparents discuss technology.

dowap5:
Oba Ovonramwen of Benin who fought against the british, I guess he also didn't exist ?

https://www.nairaland.com/attachments/13148941_obaoverami_jpegb28866d013a0b4abbca60143398d0ad5

The dude was wearing a hat given to him by Europeans. He looked funny in the hat.

dowap5:


Ok, this guy is mentally ill and lives in his own reality, there is no other way to describe him.

A book in which french eyewitnesses talk about precolonial Benin kingdom: https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k62093119/f11.image.r=Yebou

Don't quote me again, look for a psychiatrist, not me I can't cure your mental illness.

Can you believe this: this person denies that the map is a map and also that there was a precolonial country called Benin Kingdom ?
Come on, is this what delusion leads to ? mental illness ?
Also in case you didn't notice the title of the document is "carte..." which means map ! (yeah it is all written in french)

Also the word Kingdom is no where in the map, rather you have the word "Royaume" which means Kingdom. You therefor have "Royaume de Bénin" meaning Kingdom of Benin.

Why the insult when you are the one with mental deficiency. The bolded are foreign language to people of Edo. Benin is Anglicized name for Beni. Igodomigodo does not sound like the idiotic "Royaume de Bénin" or "Kingdom of Benin". You are an intellectual midget. Please do not quote me again because of your low intellect.

petsam11:
Southeast and by extension, Igboland has access to the Sea, Rivers, Water Ways  to Atlantic Ocean but some ignorant Nigerians cannot learn the geography and history that is evident and factual on ground in southeast and Nigeria. They love to be ignorant despite facts in their land. What a people with Nigerians and Africans mentality of denial of facts as long as it massages their ego and wishful thinking.

Lets use a simple arithmetic to teach the ignorants in these forums that Igboland is not land locked. Fact one, IkwerreLand/Porharcourt and Porthhacourt seaport was dredged 40 to 50  Miles to sea from the Bonny River to Atlantic Ocean. Onne SeaPort in Ogoni land  was dredged 50 to 60 Miles to Sea from Bonny River for Larger ships to Atlantic Ocean. Calabar Seaport is dredged 45 nautical miles to Atlantic Ocean. Akwa Ibom Ibaka deep seaport is about 30 nautical miles to Atlantic Ocean without dredging and the best seaport location in depth and width in Eastern Nigeria. Then open your dummy eyes and ears again.

PROPOSED 2 (TWO) SEA PORTS IN OBEAKU- NDOKI AND  AZUMIRI SEAPORTS  IN ABIA STATE.

Obuaku Ndoki Port in Abia State is only 25 nautical miles to the Atlantic Ocean from the confluence of Imo River and Azumiri (blue River) in Abia State, which is a large and deep body water of high flowing and rich rivers. Azumiri  Blue River in Abia State is also 25-30 nautical miles to Atlantic Ocean for a big Seaport and big ships. Many Igbo towns and villages  in Imo State, Abia State, Anambra State and Anioma are within  30 minutes to one hour drive to the Sea Atlantic Ocean. That is not land lock you dummies.


7 (SEVEN) SEA PORTS AND POTENTIAL SEAPOPORT UNDERWAY IN EASTERN PARTS OF NIGERIA.

(1)PORTHARCOURT SEAPORT - IN RIVERS STATE ALONG BONNY RIVER IS 45 NAUTICAL MILES TO ATLANTIC OCEAN
(2) ONNE SEAPORT - IN RIVERS STATE ALONG BONNY RIVER IS 50 NAUTICAL MILES TO  ATLANTIC  OCEAN
(3) CALABAR SEAPORT- IN CROSS RIVERS STATE IS 45 NAUTICAL MILES TO ATLANTIC OCEAN
(4) IBAKA SEAPORT-IN AKWA IBOM STATE IS  30 NAUTICAL MILES TO ATLANTIC OCEAN
(5)OBEAKU-NDOKI SEAPORT- IN ABIA STATE IS 25 NAUTICAL MILES TO OCEAN (PROPOSED UNDER PLANNING)
(6) AZUMIRI IN ABIA STATE CONFLUENCE BLUE RIVER IS 30 NAUTICAL MILES TO ATLANTIC OCEAN (PROPOSED AND PLANNING UNDERWAY)
(7) ONITSHA INLAND RIVER PORT IN ANAMBRA STATE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.


Ever since the Abia State Government announced their intention to bring a Sea Port to the state, there have been many questions raised. I reached out to a source at the Government House, Umuahia to obtain clarity. I was told that the proposed location for the seaport is in Obuaku, Ukwa West, LGA. Right in Obuaku, there is a confluence point where the Imo River and the Blue River meet. The Obuaku confluence passes through Ikot Abasi in Akwa Ibom State. In Rivers state for instance,  (along Bonny River) we have Portharcourt Seaport and  we have the Sea Port located in Onne, Eleme L.G.A. Onne,This is Nigeria’s busiest sea port and ranks as the largest sea port in west Africa. Did you know that while Rivers State (Porharcourt Sea Port) sits 40 nautical miles away from the Atlantic Ocean and Onne Port in River State along Bonny River sits 50 Nautical Miles away from the Atlantic Ocean. Obuaku  Blue River and Azumiri Rivers is only 25 nautical miles to the Atlantic Ocean? To some, this talk about a sea port in Abia state may sound unrealistic but, it is not far fetched. Even if it does not get realized by the T. A administration, this legacy project will come to fruition in no distant time.


Igboland is not landlocked according to United Nation treaty, International law OF THE Sea and African Union laws. Igboland has many Rivers, Canals, Waterways, Lake and bays in Imo State, Anambra state, Anioma, Asaba and Abia States which flows into the Atlantic Oceans and the Sea and many a distance of 30 minutes drive.
FACTS ON GROUND
Development of a Sea-Port at Obuaku-Ndoki:  many Nigerians, even including many enlightened sons and daughters of Nd’igbo, had, out of geographical ignorance, borne the impression that the South-East of Nigeria is land-locked. But being a visionary leader, the truth is now being made manifest that the Blue River/Imo River confluence at Obuaku-Ndoki is only twenty-five nautical miles to the Atlantic Ocean. We are thankful that your administration is working committedly to establishing a sea-port at the confluence town of Obuaku.
AN ADDRESS PRESENTED BY THE PEOPLE OF ABIA-SOUTH SENATORIAL ZONE ON THE OCCASION OF A GRAND CIVIC RECEPTION FOR HIS EXCELLENCY, GOVERNOR T. A. ORJI (OCHENDO GLOBAL) AT ABIA STATE POLYTECHNIC, ABA ON 1ST FEBRUARY, 2014.
 AS SCRIPTED BY CHIEF (SIR) DON UBANI; KSC, JP (OKWUBUNKA OF ASA)

 Chief (Sir) Don Ubani; ksc, JP 11/06/2013
"further inward by thinking of laying a bigger foundation of economy for not only Abia State but the whole of the South-East geo-political zone by formally conceptualizing the establishment of a sea-port at Obeaku-Ndoki, in Ukwa-East Local Government Area.
 Embarking on a road map that will ginger his successor to see to the realization of a sea-port in Abia State, would correct the erroneous impression widely held by uninformed Nigerians that the South-East zone of Nigeria is land-locked. This is very far from the truth.The Imo River, which originates from Umuaku in Isuochi of Umunneochi Local Government Area meandered its way up to Obeaku-Ndoki, from where it emptied itself into the Atlantic Ocean. It is very strategic to mention that the distance between Obeaku-Ndoki and the Atlantic Ocean, which commences not far from Igwenga in Ikot Abasi Local Government Area of Akwa-Ibom State, is only twenty-five nautical miles.For the avoidance of doubt, any zone that enjoys a proximity of even thirty nautical miles to a maritime endowment such as the Atlantic Ocean, should not in any way categorize itself as being land-locked. For the benefit of those who do not know, Port-Harcourt wharf is about forty nautical miles to the Atlantic Ocean. It was dredged and scooped during the Premiership of Dr. M.I. Okpara during the defunct Eastern Region for ships to berth therein. If Port-Harcourt wharf could be made accessible to ships despite its fourty-nautical-mile distance to the Atlantic Ocean, it justifiably stands to reason that Obeaku-Ndoki Wharf, which is only twenty-five nautical miles to the Atlantic Ocean, could be more readily and profitably accessed by ships. Since Nigeria parades a galaxy of consultants in marine engineering, obtaining professional advice in this regards may not be far from reach."
 Chief (Sir) Don Ubani; ksc, JP(Okwubunka of Asa) Umuiku-Isi-Asa Ukwa-West L.G.A. P.M.B 7048 Aba

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FACTS ON GROUND BY Vincent Erondu 
'Without Ikwerre the hinterland Igbos have many access to the sea. Port Harcourt came to prominence as from 1913 because of the development of the sea port and the Eastern Railway line. During the oil Rivers trade and the slave trade era Port Harcourt was not a factor in those trades. The trade route was through Azumini River through Ohambele via Opobo to Bonny (Ubani). At Bonny commodities were loaded and shipped overseas. Another route in fact the ealier route was through Cross River Aro chukwu to Calabar. Aboh, Onitsha and Ugwuta were also important sea routes to Atlantic ocean. Ikwerre is not wanted by the Igbo for any specific thing or need. The issue is matter of historical distortion and revisionism.

 Talking about Port Harcourt, Igweocha is a common name for Port Harcourt, this name is a descripton of how the horrizon seems to be touching the ocean from a plain sea shore view. Its ancient name was odinaobu. We also have Igwenga. These names are spelt in various ways depending on the dialect of the writer.

Vincent Erondu   

You can get more information about Southeast's access to the Sea by asking google.com or via this link

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/okonkwonetworks/Rxb42OACns0

Point of correction, Onne is not in Ogoni land. Onne is a town or village in Eleme LGA. Eleme is not Ogoni. Even though it has not come on the radar of silly politicians in Nigeria, one of the potential seaports in Nigeria is Opu-obu (Opobo). It is a natural deep water seaport in making.

janedonez:
Listen to these words of wisdom from Kadaria Ahmed to Nigerian Journalists.
It is with a heavy heart, worry about Nigeria and a sense of impending doom that I am sending this message to my colleagues in the media.

Let me begin with a question: What exactly will we gain if Nigeria descends into war? How does it advance us, if our fellow citizens turn on each other and begin large scale ethnic killings, against each other? Let me even assume that a few of us don’t believe in Nigeria anymore and want to see it broken into its constituent parts. How does enabling ethnic strife help achieve this objective in a way that guarantees the outcome you want?

Kadaria Ahmed is a Nigerian journalist, media entrepreneur, and television host. She started her career at the BBC in London and has worked in print, radio, television, online and social media platforms.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.thecable.ng/insecurity-a-message-to-kadaria-ahmed-and-the-nigerian-media&ved=2ahUKEwj16rG-0OzuAhXVtXEKHWAYBFoQFjABegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw09ehLn0LSMjYdOnc1VUsez&cshid=1613417504574

Cc: Mydn44,OAM4J

I want you to preach that dissolution of Nigeria does not call for war. If I may say, those who oppose peaceful dissolution of Nigeria make war inevitable. Nigerians have tried to grow for more than 50 years yet nothing materialized. It is prudent to try, at least, five countries out of present day Nigeria to see if it makes a difference.

dowap5:


guinea was in reference to the coast of guinea whereas "Benin Kindom" was in reference to the precolonial country called "Benin kingdom".
how is this not obvious ?

Are you this silly? There was no country called Benin Kingdom. Even the word Kingdom is not Edo and certainly Benin is not Idu. I informed in my previous post that citing of Benin Kingdom on the sketch you called map by the Europeans was merely a reference point.

dowap5:


To everybody with a functionning brain, the map in question is below.
I obviously have better things to do than to discuss with extremely delusional people.
I present a precolonial map of Benin, proof contradicting the igbo unsubstantiated claim and like usual they create an alternate reality.
I'm done.

You guys should keep creating your own reality.

The Sketch also indicated Guinee. Does this indicate the entire West Africa is Guinee? Maybe in your deluded stream of thought, all places from Togo to some parts of Cameroon as indicated in the silly map were Benin Kingdom. What a dunce.

dowap5:

It is a precolonial map of Benin Kingdom, that is why so posted it ? What the hell is your points once again ?

The bolded showed you do not even know what you posted. The map was not a map of Benin Kingdom. Instead the citing of Benin Kingdom is a mere point of reference on the map.

dowap5:


It is a precolonial map of Benin Kingdom, that is why so posted it ? What the hell is your points once again ?

It is a silly map with no relevancy to anything meaningful. The same Europeans discarded any system of government in pre-colonial Africa which did not resemble their monarchial types. Today, the same Europeans have assumed the arrowhead for the spread of representative system of government.

dowap5:

I am an Anioma !
I claim my Anioma people are Edo, so do Anioma monarchs. The only people whom are focibly trying to claim other ethnicities in the south are the igbo and the yoruba.

I guess you know there were runaway slaves and people too from Bini who sought refuge on southern communities of the Kingdom.

dowap5:

How relevant is what you are saying ? It seems you are having an entirely different conversation with an imaginary person.

You will never know unless you are a critical thinker. If the so-called Benin Kingdom was not indicated on the map, would you have flaunted the silly map?

dowap5:
Can someone imagine this: an igbo person from the south-east is telling me to leave my ancestral land in the south-south, is this act not madness ? How are you guys different from fulani herdsmen ?

Who told you Igbo are from south-east?

dowap5:


Just how delusional are you ? Look go and see a psychiatrist, I can't help you.

These are words from a delusional dingbat who have never created a thing in his\her sorry life. All you seem to enjoy on the map is mere indication of Benin Kingdom. In any human endeavor, especially engineering, you must start from known to unknown. There were maps created before 1600 and were in circulation within Europe. Your stream of thought is typical Nigerian.

It is very unfortunate the southerners do not know their value in Nigeria. Nigeria is still gasping for air today because of southern region.

Rosskivvyy:


Google "Africans invent speech".

You'll see the research findings.

Are you okay?

Rossntti:
COMMUNICATIONS TECHNOLOGY

Most of us believe we lacked proper communications before the advent of the telephone, and lately the mobile phone.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

We had long distance communication technology centuries before Europe. Simple but also complicated, and highly effective.

The Talking Drum

We use talking drums for Owambe parties today.

But do you know that the original function of the talking drum was long distance communication?

And I don't mean rudimentary noises made from one village to reach the next.

It was far more sophisticated than that.

FAR MORE.

The talking drum was used for individualised communication.

Do you know that every Yoruba man who got trained in this science, had his own unique talking drum 'signature' which took advantage of the tonal character of the language. and could be used to transmit messages directly to him in words he could understand to a distance of up to 160 kilometres?

He would equally return the messages.

He would be trained in how to build a talking drum wherever he was, if he didn't travel with one, to send his response back to the sender, in words that would be clearly understood, using the unique 'signature' of the recipient.

It was a kind of 'phone number', this unique 'signature'.

Once the drum was beaten, you would KNOW it was for you. The message would tell you who was 'calling', what they wanted, etc. And what the caller's signature was. You would then respond, using that signature. This could go on over a distance of up to 160 kilometres.

ctd.

Above crap is suited for beer parlor discussion. Every civilization has its artifacts. It is unfortunate Africans did not ride far enough on their inherent intellect.

gaetano:
There was nothing like Nigeria before European colonization

This is exactly my contention on this childish thread.

Rossnitti:
Most Nigerians believe that Europeans brought 'civilization' to us.

That before their arrival, we were primitive, savage, and barbaric, and lacked technology and science.

This thread will shatter every one of those false notions derived from colonial indoctrination, and show that the only area in which the Europeans were more advanced than us was in military hardware, and little else, and that our ancestors were in fact brilliant scientists who were highly knowledgeable in advanced medicine, botany, metallurgy, mathematics, communications, construction, astronomy, and architecture, among other disciplines.

I will also show that we had the capacity and knowledge to advance into the modern world WITHOUT western colonisation, in our own right, as a brilliant, innovative people.

Each post I make will deal with one specific discipline, as we move along in this journey into our amazing past.

Watch this space for further details.

You cannot teach what you seemed not to know. A place called Nigeria did not exist until a silly European said so. Which Nigeria are you on about in this discuss?

dowap5:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This map clearly states "Benin Kingdom" and shows its borders.

The Portuguese have visited the region on the map before 1600 as you have stated when the map was made. The notation of Benin kingdom could have been borrowed from other maps in circulation in Europe before this map was created.

dowap5:


The map was made by a person from Amsterdam in the 1600's. It seems you are not aware that the alphabet, pen and paper are foreign to our region. Nobody in the region could write. In that sense what is your point ?

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

Surely, the Dutch were good navigators during the era in discuss. However everything represented on a map by cartographers is not as factual as it appears.

dowap5:

so you confirm, we have no business fighting alongside each other. Thank you. I have been trying to speak sense into some people who thought it were possible for the south to unite.
we finally agree on something.

No need to waste any more second. it is everybody on his own, south-west will fight for south-west, south-south will fight for south-south and south-east for south-east.


Good

You are forbearers had the opportunity in 1967 to do what you seemed to preach now but what happened? I am strictly for Republic of Igbo land. It will amount to idiocy for me to worry about a creation by idiots from northern region such as south south. The crap, south south, does not revolve around my intellectual orbit.

dowap5:


Let me guess, you are around 15 years old and you have no knowledge of history.
Look at the precolonial map below

https://www.nairaland.com/attachments/13148852_pascaertvandebocht___donckerhendrikbtv1b8595583b_jpeg_jpeg0b8aa298edd165b48d14015ef4de8a56

Anything on the map was written by Portuguese, Spaniards or Italians. There is no input of Edo person on the map and Benin is not Edo word.

dowap5:


Why am i not surprised ?
In a momment in which the south should unite and fight its ennemies, you guys in the south-east are busy planning attacks against Benin ...
Why did God curse you guys in this manner ? What sin did your ancestors commit ?

Which south should unite to fight its enemies? Who are the enemies of this imaginary south?

There was nothing such as Anioma until after Nigeria\Biafra war, thus, after 1970. Ethnicity does not spring from group of goons.

So basically any Anioma who says he is not Igbo should not be listened to and should be ridiculed while any faceless group which claims to be Anioma and claims anioma are igbo should be listened to and respected and are speaking gospel truth ?

Anioma are Edo (Citizens of Benin empire). Deal with it.

Do you know Benin is not Edo language? Benin, such as Guinee, is among the group of names created by the Portuguese and Spaniards.

TimeManager:
This rebuttal hasn't altered the veracity of bullet point 2. Awolowo went to Enugu with his delegates to meet with Ojukwu for which they never promised to go to war with the ibos..
Both narratives from the 'Anti-ibo Aniomas' and the 'Pro-ibo Aniomas' are consistent with this fact. Therefore, it is most idiotic on the part of the peddlers of falsehood painting Awo being a betrayer. It's rather unfortunate that ibos easily make Awo the fall guy for the genocidal mistake of Ojukwu.

kiss the truth!

I do not know which part of the world harbors you. It is not prudent to call an act of standing up for a person's people a "Genocidal mistake". Besides mistake in the sense used in this paragraph is a misnomer.