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davitogreat: Right... So giving the funds to ghana, Rwanda and Uganda is so much better. Funny seeing the stupid comments in the thread.
I swear Nigerians can sometimes be some of the most stupid people you can ever come across. They think by by speaking ill of nigeria in every situation they are enlightened and forward thinking when Infact it's the opposite.

davitogreat: Your just typing nonsense. My comment had nothing to do with feelings. Or licking ass.

It's all about facts. If the Americans see it fit to share defense funds with Uganda, ghana and Rwanda. ( countries with very questionable corrupt/shady governments and institutions)

Uganda- very corrupt. Government has history of abuse. Also history of using child soldiers.
Ghana- very corrupt and is a poster boy on how NOT to run your economy
Rwanda- though Rwanda has made great improvements economically Kagames government has also been very oppressive towards opposition and anyone who speaks ill of his government. Has played a role in assassinating journalists and opposition members in Rwanda and even outside the country.
Plus lets not forget rwanda and uganda have been caught assisting rebels who are destabilizing the congo.

So with all that What makes it right to skip Nigeria? Jonathan with all his faults is not as bad as the leaders of these countries.

nigeria is one of the worlds leading peace keeping nations and a country that does and has done a lot for Africa. So it's logical to work closely with such a country if one is looking to further peace in Africa.

Wow!
You deserve a medal.

naptu2: Now I'm going to show you what serious countries (that are thousands of miles away) do.

See, I've seen those guidelines before and as he said the threat level was increased on August 1st. So what happened before August 1st

(I also want to remind you that an infrared camera would have detected Mr Sawyer because he had already started showing symptoms before he got to Nigeria, but he was refusing treatment because he wanted to attend the meeting in Calabar).

You obviously haven't if you have you will not have been going round in circles.


Every question you asked so far has been in the guideline.

You even refused that there was any such recommendation, till I gave you the link remember?

Remember repeatedly asking me to show you, then when I did all of a sudden you start claiming to have seen it before.

There is no crime in not knowing everything.

And you do not have to blame GEJ for every bad thing that happens in your life.

I will look into the thread tomorrow but if you still want too keep awake, I advise that you read through the recommendations.

Then read through the meetings and country updates.

Read through the PHEIC protocols etc.

Then at least you can have some info albeit from a layman's point of view.

It has been nice educating you.

naptu2: Once again you refuse to answer the question. Was there anything preventing the government of Nigeria from imposing restrictions on people from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone from entering Nigeria since April? See below.

They did not need to.
Because of all the reasons I gave before.


Wow!
You really like going round and round.

naptu2: 1) It says it's not recommended. Nowhere does it say that we can't close our borders and there are no consequences or penalties if we close our borders. You've also admitted that Guinea has closed its borders and Nigeria has banned flights, so it must be effective, so once again why didn't ee do this since April?


2) Sensitisation of immigration and port officials only started after Mr. Sawyer's case was detected, yet the guidelines say:



Sensitise staff working at “points of entry”, in healthcare settings or involved in first response (emergency departments, ambulance services, GP offices, fire department, civil defence, airport operators, aircraft operators, port health authority) for early and advanced symptoms of viral haemorrhagic fever.

Emphasize systematic recording in health clinics of travel history of those with relevant symptoms.

.Establish a standard diagnostic procedure for EVD and for common differential diagnoses at an early stage (e.g. malaria, dengue, typhoid fever, shigellosis, cholera, leptospirosis, plague, rickettsiosis, relapsing fever, meningitis, hepatitis, yellow fever and other viral haemorrhagic fevers).

Establish a protocol for notification to the competent public health authorities at an early stage if an EVD case is suspected.

Identify and establish laboratory procedures and operational channels to perform Ebola virus diagnostic testing in the country or refer to the closest WHO Collaborating Centre or reference laboratories able to perform viral haemorrhagic fever diagnostics if cases are suspected.

Ensure basic training of health care workers on principles of provisional barrier and use of personal protective equipment.Emphasize to personnel working in the travel sector the importance of infection control methods.
Keep the regulatory authorities (e.g. national civil aviation authority) informed and involved in decision-making.

You really like circles.

Phew!
Schooling you is exhausting but i will try my best.

I mentioned that these guidelines are continually upgraded.

I also mentioned that WHO has just declared EBV a[b] Public Health emergency of International Concern prompting a laid down protocol of handling PHEICs to be activated.

This happened on 7th August.[/b]

arewarepublic: My friend, give up and stop dilly dallying.

Typical.

This is why WHO does not recommend screening at port of entry.


EBV( Ebola Virus) just like HIV is a virus.


Most viral screening tests ARE negative during their incubation period.
What you will call "window period".

Recall your HIV 101.

In the case of EBV the incubation period is 2 to 21 days during which the patient is asymptomatic and will most likely screen negative even though he is infected.

Fortunately, he is also not contagious at this point.

The good deal mother nature dealt us in Ebola is that patients become contagious when they are very ill and would have most likely already sought medical help.

If you have more questions or confusions please ask humbly.

naptu2: Good. Now show me where it says that we can't close our borders.

naptu2: Good. Now show me where it says that we can't close our borders.

lol
You want to take us back to that circle
You know you can always click on the link

I should not spoon feed you.
But i will just this last time.


3.1.4. Screening passengers at points of entry ( ports , airports or ground crossing) is not recommended

Screening of passengers at points of entry (arrival or departure) is costly and expected to have very limited impact because it is very unlikely to detect any arriving person infected with EVD. This is particularly true for EVD with its incubation period of 2 to 21 days and symptoms that are not specific. As part of this, the use of thermal scanners that rely on the presence of ‘fever’ in arriving passengers is costly, unlikely to detect any arriving person infected with EVD and is not encouraged.

Travel restrictions, closure of borders at points of entry are not recommended

naptu2: That's because there's none. He's just trying to run away from the question and trying to have the last word without actually saying anything.

He's been talking about a "WHO directive", but he has failed to show us the "directive" and where it states that we can't close our border.

http://www.who.int/ith/updates/20140421/en/


It is very long and continually upgraded.

I just decided to point this out for the ignorant folks who have been shouting about screening.

3.1.4. Screening passengers at points of entry ( ports , airports or ground crossing) is not recommended

Screening of passengers at points of entry (arrival or departure) is costly and expected to have very limited impact because it is very unlikely to detect any arriving person infected with EVD. This is particularly true for EVD with its incubation period of 2 to 21 days and symptoms that are not specific. As part of this, the use of thermal scanners that rely on the presence of ‘fever’ in arriving passengers is costly, unlikely to detect any arriving person infected with EVD and is not encouraged.


Read and educate yourself

naptu2: Nope. You are simply running away. There's absolutely nothing in what you quoted that spells out any consequences or penalties.

The consequence of ignoring WHO guidelines is that you will not be following the international best practices which is based on research and evidence collated from the world over on that issue.

In other words you would be practicing quackery.

AZeD1: How is ignoring WHO guidelines detrimental?

Kindly read my previous posts.

naptu2: Aha! That's the other question that you ran away from. What does "ignore at your own detriment" actually mean? What are the consequences? Will WHO cane the government?

You see i told you we are going round in circles

eaglechild: WHO issues the highest authority in health matters in the world issues travel advice to countries in public health.
They ensure international best practices so that countries that follow WHO directives are acting on best practices.
While a country can even choose to ignore WHO directives altogether, it will be most detrimental to do so.
In this case Nigeria abided by it and closed their borders when it was necessary to do so.
If anyone should be to blame it will be the Liberian government who let a patient under surveillance leave the country.

naptu2:



"I said that the directive/guideline may be ignored".

But ignore at your own detriment

naptu2: Finally! You admit that the government of Nigeria can ignore "the guidelines" if it wants? That means that there was nothing stopping Nigeria from closing its borders.

Now I'd like to see the "guidelines" that said we should leave our borders open.

I only said ignoring WHO guidelines would be detrimental.

In this case Nigeria adhered to it.

directive


noun (plural directives)
- An instruction or guideline that indicates how to perform an action or reach a goal.
- An authoritative decision from an official body, which may or may not have binding force.
- (European Union law) A form of legislative act addressed to the Member States. The directive binds the Member State to reach certain objectives in their national legislation.
- The directive case.

adjective (not comparable)
- that directs
- serving to direct, indicate, or guide.
- (grammar) relating to the directive case

naptu2: Good. Step one: WHO issues advice, not directives. This advice has nothing to do with a government's decision to close its borders. A government can decide to close its borders whenever it chooses to.

2) You said it would be most detrimental to choose to ignore the advice. What type of advice and what would be the consequences (basically, will WHO cane us if we choose to ban certain flights in order to protect our citizens).


I know you already know the answers to these questions, but you are just trying to dance around thrm without actually answering them.

Lol!

Please just give up.

Do not beat yourself up.

Recall I said that the directive/guideline may be ignored and that is simply because it is not binding.
But ignore at your detriment.

deeobserver209: It amazes me to see some people here blaming the Federal Government on the outbreak of Ebola virus in the Country. This goes to show the level of ignorance ravaging Nigerians about the nature of the disease. First of all the person who brought it was a Liberian American, not a Nigerian. Secondly, it was expected that every West African country already battling with the outbreak of Ebola would make sure that no traveller infected with the disease is allowed to travel outside the country.
Obviously the Liberian government fail in that regard, and here we are. To set the record straight, am not a medical person. Just a normal person like you.
What many of us here should have done is ask intelligent questions. Questions like:
1. What is Ebola virus?
2. What is the microscopic structure of the disease?
3. What are the differences between Ebola and the AIDS virus?
4. Is the virus both animate an in inanimate?
5. Is the virus airborne?
6. What are the relationship between the Ebola virus, dengue fever and lassa fever?

These and lots more are some of the questions we should be asking to understand it better. There's a lot more about Ebola virus than the world is ready to dish out to the public.
Personally what interest me about this disease is the microscopic structure. The fact that individuals infected with the disease bleed from every part of the body when not treated on time tells me that we are dealing with one of the most tiniest viruses ever. When you consider that fact you would realize that the mode of infection from one person to another may not be only through contact with bodily fluid. I don't know much about that as I said earlier, am not a doctor but am doing my own personal research about other possible mode of transmission.
I will advice that rather than blame the government for the outbreak of this disease, we should instead carry out a research to find out more information about it. Research on the history of the disease. More information about this disease will give us all the arsenals we need manage it properly. Remember disease don't kill people. It is ignorance that kills people.

Thank you so much.

You give me hope in a thread infested with ignorant folks.

EkoIle1: [s][/s]


You've displayed enough stupidity and ignorance in this thread so why not just excuse yourself from the thread and quit derailing.

Derailing what?

naptu2: No we are not You are simply trying to run away from your position.

Does a sovereign government need to wait for WHO directives before shutting itd borders?

Will the WHO cane them for shutting their border?

It's a simple enough question. Yes or no?

WHO issues the highest authority in health matters in the world issues travel advice to countries in public health.

They ensure international best practices so that countries that follow WHO directives are acting on best practices.

While a country can even choose to ignore WHO directives altogether, it will be most detrimental to do so.

In this case Nigeria abided by it and closed their borders when it was necessary to do so.


If anyone should be to blame it will be the Liberian government who let a patient under surveillance leave the country.

naptu2:



Does the Nigerian government (or any government) need to wait for WHO directive before shutting its borders?

Are we not going round in circles?

eaglechild: WHO is the highest authority in health issues in the world.
Especially public health issues like this, they ensure international best practices.
Why do you think other countries did not stop flights from Liberia?

eaglechild: WHO is the highest authority in health issues in the world.
Especially public health issues like this, they ensure international best practices.
Why do you think other countries did not stop flights from Liberia?

gboss4sure: At last they did blame GEJ for ebola. APC always blaming even the unblameable

Lol!
Do you mind the ill informed goons.

naptu2: Gosh! Do you mean that the government of the Federal Republic of Nigeria needs to wait for the WHO or Arik Air to tell it to ban flights from certain countries?

Gosh! I've never heard such nonsense in my life!

I guess the WHO would have punished us for shutting our borders (as they did when Obasanjoshut the border wwith Benin or as they've punished Guinea for shutting its borders).

They actually did that after WHO declared an international emergency.

EkoIle1: Your posts are worthless and irrelevant since they have nothing to do with the topic

The topic = The FG government lied back in April they Nigeria was ready for Ebola.

It's either you agree that the FG lied or disagree with valid points about what they did in and before April till this very second to protect Nigerians.

You are free to exit thread if you have nothing better to contribute apart from trolling with irrelevant rants..

Lol!

Looks like you are losing it.

You started the thread to malign the FG and praise your paymaster Fashola, you have NO intention to provide facts that will help the general public in the fight against Ebola.

Unfortunately you do not even have the details and your propaganda is collapsing on you.

There is no need for tempers to flair.
You will not be paid for this job, you did not do well.

Obiagelli: lol, you sound like you have given up on your beloved FG, of course Lasg can't be the first to treat sawyer because they don't run the damn airport. Gej's incompetent allowed sawyer get as far as ikoyi.

You have exhibited that you have challenges with comprehension.


It will be difficult to help you understand.

EkoIle1: Back in April, the FG said measures were in place to protect Nigerians and that the FG was ready for Ebola.

So please tell us specifically what measures he was talking about.

Given that you have fed us here with so much misinformation.

I cannot even draw the line between facts and fiction coming from you.

In any case go back and read my previous posts.

jesuslovesme123: Your last 6 words are exactly what my point is. These measures were taken AFTER the fact. Why did Nigeria have to wait for ebola to get into Nigeria before doing anything?

Your comments reflect the mediocrity that Nigerians have accepted for too long. This mediocrity has cost, and will cost some Nigerians their lives.

[s]The WHO should not have to think for Nigeria. If you have a neighbour with the Ebola virus, would you fling open the doors to your home, waiting for the WHO to advise you to protect yourself? I hope not...[/s]

WHO is the highest authority in health issues in the world.
Especially public health issues like this, they ensure international best practices.

Why do you think other countries did not stop flights from Liberia?

EkoIle1: We are talking about our own FG and their lies and deceit when it comes to protecting Nigerians..

Back in April, the FG said measures were in place to protect Nigerians and that the FG was ready for Ebola.

So please tell us specifically what measures he was talking about.



That's to the Lagos state government and the healthcare workers/first responders..



Sorry, this didn't prevent 2 deaths and multiple infections. It's still yet to produce one single isolation tent or unit..meaning we are still in danger so this is very irrelevant..




Please stop doing attache. Tell us where the FG isolation centers are located in all the 36 states, tell us about the qualified manpower and tools available at our airports and borders to screen possible carriers. tell us how many tents they've procured and set up for eventualities...

Lol!

First of all Sawyer was not first treated by that LASG that you worship.

He was taken to first consultant Ikoyi a private outfit, which I must say acted professionally by treating the patient with a high index of suspicion and insisted on getting the patient tested.
They also acted professionally by notifying the government of a reportable disease knowing fully well that that will lead to the shut down of the facility.

There are tiers of government and naturally the clinic will notify the state ministry of health which happens to be Lagos, who will now go ahead and notify the Federal ministry of health.


LASG that you worship did absolutely nothing out of the ordinary.
Rather it would have been gross incompetence on their part if they had kept mute.


The quarantine facilities are being manned by the LASG, FG, WHO, CDC whether you come here and type rubbish and post pictures of your god Fashola it does not change the facts on ground.

Obiagelli: at least you agree with me on the level of incompetence of the federal government lead by a certain Goodluck.

Lol!

You seem incapable of comprehending sarcasm.

Obiagelli: if the government had been serious with sensitisation, anyone with any symptoms whatsoever would have been quarantined at the airport.
Btw are you saying the airport officer or the federal government took sawyer to that hospital?

You are joking right?

Is the FG some imaginary GHOST that floats around waiting to do things, or do they have human beings working for the FG?

EkoIle1: [s][/s]



STFU, quit trolling and stop bothering us with your idiotic, illiterate and irrelevant stupidity. Your masters let ebola into Nigeria to start with because of their usual lies and incompetence.


1. Explain to us the measures your incompetent losers you call masters in abuja put in place any where in Nigeria to protect Nigerians against ebola virus...

2. Also, your aso rock dullard is in charged of the borders with his law enforcement agencies so please tell us how they as usual slept on duty while the Liberian host index kill 2 Nigerians and out others in danger.

3. Tell is about the measures and equipments they have at our borders and airports to protect Nigerians.

And when you are done answering that, please also let us know what your own village governors have done or put in place to protect you and your family...



Why is it hard for this clown to even show us what his masters have done to protect us?

Even before the WHO sounded the alarm bells just after the Sawyer incident.

All flights form Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone were cancelled.

All passengers coming from high risk zones are checked for constitutional symptoms and further tested if need be.

All level one contacts have been traced and quarantined.

Other contacts are under surveillance.

$11M dollars has been released by the FG to combat the illness.

$200M by the world bank of which Nigeria will benefit.

Isolation centres have been set up by the FG in conjunction with the LASG.

Etc.

Obiagelli: how about testing screening passengers from 'ebola regions', apparently sawyer came in sick, if the government had done enough sensitisation at the airport and borders, sawyer would probably have been quarantined at the airport.

Did you bother to read what I wrote?



In any case Sawyer was taken to a hospital directly and treated with a high index of suspicion despite denying any history of contact.

You do realise that his symptoms were non specific?

jesuslovesme123: "Goodluck" is being blamed for not mitigating the issue. Common sense should have told him to shut our borders to certain countries. But we all know that common sense is not very common.

Gosh!

Do you think you just wake up and shut borders?

If that was the case then all outbound flights from Nigeria would have been cancelled by the rest of the world.

Do you now think the rest of the world is incompetent too for not shutting us out?


The WHO continually updates travel guidelines and recommendations in scenarios like this.
Up until Sawyer's case the WHO made no such recommendations for flight cancellations or border closures because the disease was fairly contained. British airways and other European and international carriers were still flying in and out of Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone.
Arik was about the first to stop flights followed by BA and Asky etc and all these were after the Sawyer incident took place.