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If he is the most persecuted pastor, it is because he is a semi literate fraudster.

@dare2think

I was spending so much time on these prosperity frauds that I decided I had to take a break. How have you been ?

@Ogoamaka

What exactly do you gain from defending these people ? Is there no part of you that feels that the poor and desperate in society need to be protected from these frauds.

@tbjfansuk

What is your point ? What exactly does 'man-lover' have to do with anything ?

We know Joshua is a semi literate fraud preying on the desperate. Dont waste your time defending him. What man of god selling 'healing water' in a bottle ? People keep saying Joshua has dark powers - he does not have s**t. He is just low life scum.

@Frosbel

Please don't split hairs - you condemn Islam but you dont condemn those who practice it Leave Islam alone - we have more than enough religious wars.

Your time will be better spent addressing the fraudsters in our religion.

@Frosbel

Your subject heading infers it - How Islam Treats Women

@Frosbel

Yes there might be many many bad muslims but it does not make ALL muslims bad.

@Frosbel

I salute your efforts at exposing the prosperity frauds but I think you should not condemn Islam for the actions of one mad man(or several mad men). After all we cant condemn all of christianity due to the actions of Oyaks, Oyedepo and co.

Jo must be right guys - after all he can raise dead people remotely.

Where is the church regarding child slavery today ?

There are hundred of thousands of children under the age of 14 working as domestic servants in Nigeria, where is the church ?

What do the church leaders say about this ? Nothing!

Tunde Bakare is the just the latest charlatan to expose himself!

Just a thought, government officials are not allowed to keep gifts given to them (in their capacity as government officials) - the gifts belong to the government. Yet pastors are allowed to keep the gifts given to them in their capacity as pastors - in fact they openly talk about the 'gifts' on the pulpit.

This is yet another case of the secular world being more moral and transparent than the pentecostal churches.

Pastor, church member, christian, non christian - they should all be properly punished by secular courts.

The Pastor should be punished twice as hard - he should know better.

@Jogbaje

you said

A man who despoils a child was under demonic influence. The first thing to recommend is to cast such devil out of him.
The other steps depends on his attitude. Did he realise the error.  Is he justifying it. Some gays believe they are born that way or created that way by God. Thereby excuse there lifestyle. If he is of such conviction, he is a dangerous man. The law should handle him because he is not repentant. And another person will fall  victim.

But if he is repentant genuinely. He should be forgiven. If he is battling with a habit, help should be recommended for him. Spiritually first, and also, some christian ministry have institutions for rehab for such people.

Does this spirit of forgiveness apply to everybody or just MOGs.
There cannot be double standards - MOGs that are exposed in the ways many of them have been deserve no special treatment. In fact I belive they should be punished twice as much because they have abused their positions.

@Jaidey-one

you said

Why do u morons expect them to act the same way Jesus christ did?

All christians are expected to act the way Jesus did - that is why it is called CHRISTIANITY.

It would do you good if you did not throw insults around recklessly as you have done - it has a way of coming back thick and fast.

You morons should not forget he owns convenant university

Covenant University is owned by the church NOT by Oyedepo.

@Joagbaje

you said

We ought to hear from the people themselves before throwing stone. Besides God never call anyone of us to judge his servants. If anyone of his servants do wrong in his name ,God knows how to handle them. He has told us to leave them alone. There's no single scripture that says Christians should be hunting ministers . We find ourselves sinning against God in this error. There's no reward for it

Here is a question for you : if the people who were sexually abused by Odulele had come to you for advice, would you have advised them to keep quiet and wait for Gods judgment or advised them to report the matter to the police ?

@bankylan

you said

It is only frustrated and poor people with no hope of tomorrow that speak evil of men of God. It is a curse to speak against anointed men of God

How do you know who a real annointed man of God is ? If I started a church tommorrow, would you consider me an annointed man of God ?

@NLMediator

you said

Relax. I don't know what you mean by civilized society. But everywhere I know, that is generally considered civilized, divergent views are tolerated. You win over by superior arguments, not by throwing bombs.

My guy - keep quiet.

What argument is there about Eddie Long ? He is a sexual predator - who settled out of court to hide his crimes.

What are the divergent views ?  that sexual assault is fine ? that Dollar chasing people out of his church and back to a sexual predator's arms is fine ?

There are no divergent views in this case - you either think sexual predation is evil enough to warrant Eddie Long standing down or you dont.

Divergent views ?? - such foolishness!

@NLMediator

you said

Rush to his defense? Maybe, you need to start reading a bit more closely. I defended no individual. I am defending good manners.

Like I said earlier this is not a game - if to get the message across, the gloves have to come off - so be it.

@NLMediator

If he's a KNOWN liar and fraud, how's divulging private communication EXPOSING him? I hope you see the contradiction.

There is no contradiction there at all - the more evidence the better.

Do you know Joagbaje at all ?
Do you know he has claimed he raised someone from the dead ?
Do you know he put a picture of a n*ked/semi conscious man on this forum to prove he helped the man ?

Maybe you need to look more closely at him before you rush to his defence.

@Joagbaje

you said

do you have any proof he did it?

No he did not do it - he only paid them millions of dollars because he felt sorry for them!!

St*pid question!!

Are we talking about the same Ashimolowo that was begging for dollars in Ghana ? Why does he not use his financial knowledge to raise money, why does he still need 'miracle seeds' ?

In fact the same applies to all those who preach on financial breakthrough - why cant they use their knowledge to generate enough money for the church without resorting to extorting their poor congregation ?

@NLMediator
People's salvation is not some board game with rules. Jo is a known liar and fraud - he should be exposed by any means possible.

@Nuclearboy
You should publish some of the emails if you can - maybe it will stop this fraud from spewing out rubbish.

Creflo Dollar said the church members from Eddie Long's church should ALL go back - his congregation cheered and Joagbaje says it is fine. What if some of the people that left Eddie Long's church were themselves victims of Eddie Long or some other pedophile, what message is Creflo Dollar sending to them ? That victims of pedophiles have no place in the church ?? And Jo thinks this is correct ? How can he have done a wreck if he claims innocence ?

@Nairalanders in general
I know there is now a trend towards civility and brotherly love  for all including liars and frauds like Jo - it is a complete and utter waste of time in my opinion. People like Jo in a civilized society will be despised and reviled outcasts, yet we want to start treating him and similar clowns with more respect - utter nonsense!!

I dont believe Eddie Long, Creflo Dollar or Joagbaje believe in God at all. Anyone that can stand in a pulpit and say what Dollar and Long said - can NOT truly believe in God, equally anyone who supports them is guilty of the same.

We have said it a thousand times - most of these pentecostal preachers are frauds.

@Snowy

you said

Since you have alerted the public, you needn't make a campaign about it

Rubbish - we should campaign VERY LOUDLY so that these charlatans dont destroy more lives.

you also said

Because we are all different. It will be very hard for us to see things the same way or in the same light as we all have different customs, beliefs, doctrines and all

So your doctrine/beliefs allow for a pastor preaching in Ghana to ask for donations in DOLLARS or a pastor in church praying for the death of enemies ?

Mr Snowwy you are defending con men and charlatans - dont mask it as differences in doctrine/beliefs.

@Snowwy

you talk about spreading the gospel - what do you think the folks in Ghana will think of Ashimolowo telling them to donate money in DOLLARS ?

Dont you think they will say this is just another 419 gangster from Nigeria ?

Oyedepo was recenly embroiled in a shoddy battle with his minister in Ghana over money. Do  you think this is spreading the gospel ?

The gospel should NOT be preached by charlatans - they only turn people away from God like Kunle pointed out earlier.

@Snowy

you said

@Earswide,, you never seem to amaze me with your posts. You go at these men like you are doing all the right things and they are wrong

Ashimolowo is WRONG to ask for DOLLARS in Ghana.
Oyedepo is WRONG to have a service dedicated to destruction of enemies
T B Joshua is WRONG for faking miracles
Ashimolowo is WRONG for asking for seeds for a 24 hour miracle.
Jo Agbaje is a LIAR for saying he can raise dead people ?

Why dont you address any of these, instead of defending them blindly ?

Jo said

If you are not winning souls, fine, but don't polute hearts of people against the gospel and the church

Snowwy said

It is however laughable that someone who does not preach the gospel and says 'others do it' but prefers to watch 'uninspiring' programmes by the men he calls 'fake' to find fault, is doing a good work. Is that what Jesus told us to do? Be candid

It seems the charlatans have come up with a new one - if you dont preach the gospel, you cannot call out charlatans and con men.  

@Snowwy, you said

So since these men are 'fake' to you yet they are still preaching the word and leading souls to Christ, you need to have a great alibi to God to say what you were doing all this while. I can bet you, God will say He never sent you on this your self-called assignment

Snowwy, are you saying Ashimolowo, Oyedepo and T B Joshua are not charlatans ?

My friend, it seems you are easily deceived. Even after all the information you have seen on these charlatans you still think they are genuine MOGs - based on their own say so.

You would be wise to sit down and sift through all the information available on these guys - ignorance is NOT an excuse.

In your world frauds and charlatans will con and intimidate people into giving away their money and the rest of us would smile meekly and say nothing - fortunately that is a world fewer and fewer people are prepared to live in.

@KunleOshob
Well said.