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@defenders of prosperity charlatans

I noticed not one of you came to the defence of this rogue - we are making some progress at last.

@Papido

Since you are a church insider - can you confirm how many planes are owned by Winners Chapel ? Also were the planes paid for by the church ?
Thanks.

@Godson2009

You asked for evidence that he is fake - there is a whole chapter in this book (chapter 12) dedicated to showing he is a fake:

[url]http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ZxL2HfnhcqcC&pg=PA235&lpg=PA235&dq=t+b+joshua+bribe&source=bl&ots=58CQKwax3u&sig=720aGUJjh4cQesjXKTy8fpEudsI&hl=en&ei=lI_cTdmJLseLhQfK35y5Dw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=t%20b%20joshua%20bribe&f=false[/url]
Read this and let me know your thoughts.

Look at the top right of the video - it is produced by Emmanuel TV.

Emmanuel TV is the broadcasting arm of T B Joshua's church - this is propaganda nonsense.

@Eltonluigi

I believe miracles occur - but it is between the individual and God - not in the mass produced fashion these frauds claim.

T B Joshua claimed to have healed Ruben Kruger ( a South African rugby international) of cancer. Ruben Kruger subsequently died of cancer.

@defenders of this fraud - what is wrong with you ? The information that this man is a fraud is there for all to see!!

Guys - look at this link. It is extracts from a book.

T B Joshua tried to bribe the author after he witnessed the fraud going on there. By the way Joshua also tried to bribe Robert Beckford - who has also done documentaries on fake pastors.

Read it from chapter 12

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ZxL2HfnhcqcC&pg=PA235&lpg=PA235&dq=bribe+t+b+joshua&source=bl&ots=58CQJydw6m&sig=sTOolQCiLVpcieUc5_Eme9mRryc&hl=en&ei=fmLbTafwFc2YhQeHst2zDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=bribe%20t%20b%20joshua&f=false

Guys

Check this out:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ZxL2HfnhcqcC&pg=PA235&lpg=PA235&dq=Jacque+Pauw+TB+Joshua&source=bl&ots=57LOJzcA5n&sig=U3Z6NInVQWSpnL0JNymoEkvfkoE&hl=en&ei=LWwkTeOBOs25hAfzhZipAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false

from chapter 12

@dare2think

I have read the verse and that seems to the what the pastor in the video is accusing TB Joshua of - a corrupt secret lifestyle.

you also said

I dont agree with this video, it seem to me like a propaganda, but then again I may be wrong.

It definitely looks like the video was done to discredit T B Joshua - but that should NOT be condemned - the videos confirmed he is a fake. I personally believe there should be more videos like this targeted at various fake pastors. There is enough information on the internet (on youtube especially) to discredit 95% of these charlatans - we should be bringing these videos to people's attention and making more of them if possible.

@Godson2009

you said

to be honest i dont know if the man is fake or not,neither do you and you certainly cannot use a couple of mins video no matter how disturbing it looks to make that kind of determination

I KNOW he is fake - NO CHRISTIAN tells someone ill with cancer to bring out a breast in church for the congregation to see. What can be the possible reason for this ?

as far as i am concerned whatever powers he is using is between him and the entity he got the power from the most important to me is that he like other MOGs is making a lot of money off his congregation but unlike other MOGs he is trying his best to spread the money evenly round his congregation and even those who are not of his congregation both within and outside nigeria, thats got to count for something doesnt it

NO it doesnt - conning people and then returning a prorpotion of it to them and the wider community does not absolve him of been a fraud.

Some people say he is healing with evil forces - he is NOT healing at all. He is a fraud like the rest of his 419 crew. The pastor in the video described how the deceptions worked and gave names of people inside the organisation - he did not make those names up.
On a wider note - it is difficult for us to accept that people we hold in high regard can be guilty of fraud and deception - but the bible has already told us this can be the case.

@Godson2009

My bro - please make sure you watch the videos. There is a point where to prove he can cure breast cancer (part 4) - he gets a woman to actually bring out her breast in church - that can NOT be of God, can it ?

I gez u didnt read my post. u must b dum.b throwing insult.We are talking of manners in name of religion. Must u be totally unclothed. Pulling off every thing called clothe on your body 2 urinating. If ure a guy & u see your gf urinating lyk that in the public what would u say?I wonder how some people think. In this digitalis world we stil experience such. Why not walk unclothed in a market square.

From your reply - I can see you are a disturbed man.

@Godson2009

Have a look at the videos before you dismiss them.

T B Joshua is a fake - his fighting with 'devils' is farcical.

Which kind of 'daddy' buys a private jet when his children cannot afford 3 square meals ?

Which kind of 'daddy' takes tithes and offering from his kids to open a university the same kids cannot afford to go ?

Which kind of 'daddy' tells his children living in Ghana/Nigeria to donate money in dollars ?

@Azibalua

Bitter? Why would i be ? he is not stealing my money.

I am very angry however that this fraud and others like him (Ashimolowo, Oyedepo & co) are able to sell false hope to the vulnerable in society.

@sley4life

What has one man urinating got to do with Islam ? You are just trying to stir up trouble. Shame on you!

@bossinie

you said

Point i am trying to make is that there is no big issue in owning 4-Jets if it is fully utilized for a far more beneficial purpose than pleasure trips.

What is wrong with you ? How can 4 private jets be fully utilized ?

@muskeeto

Nice one!

Why do members of Winners Chapel call this fraud 'daddy' ? What kind of father owns private jets when some members of his family cannot afford 3 square meals ?

by the way Copeland and Creflo Dollar are frauds as well - look for their sermons on youtube. I can pst links if anyone doubts this.

Oyedepo is so rich because he is a fraudster - why else does he misquote the bible to get money ?

@Azibalua

What are you laughing about ?

You guys have been proved to be full of crap. If CEC was really performing charitable acts -they should be available readily and do not have to be 'searched for'.

@Azibalua

How come when we pay our tithe it is said that pastors are the collectors of the money.

Because all of a sudden the man of god who was struggling to survive suddenly starts wearing expensive clothes, buying fancy cars and ends up buying a private jet.

@Azibalua

Pls stop this 'anointed crap' - so pastors, their wives and children are all anointed abi ? Nonsense!

@NuclearBoy

Thanks - these frauds need to be exposed. How anyone believes a word from Jo's mouth is beyond me.

@Nuclearboy

You really should publish the stuff you have on Jo Agbaje - there is no point in you withholding it.

Peoples lives are been affected by this fraud - I would appeal to you to publish the info you have on him.

This fraud is going around saying he can raise dead people and other crap like that - there are vulnerable people out there who will clutch at any straw - and will be badly let down.

@Azibalua

Aside from the childish remark- do you think a pastor should be praying for the destruction of enemies ?

@KgDavid

I have watched a video of a sermon where Oyedepo said the church should pray for the destruction of their enemies - now to me anyone who says that has little understanding of christianity.

He should not be leading a church.

@mabell

Mr Jo, your lies have caught up with you finally - why are you dodging ? go and respond.

Mr Joooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo,
where are you ?