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[quote author=solite3 post=63296919][/quote]How is Jesus son of David...
1. through Joseph his foster father, who is not Jesus' biological father, So David from Joseph's side is Jesus adopted seed.. from Mathew's genealogy.. (cf Mathew 1)

2. From Mary, who was a virgin.. So Jesus didn't have a biological father, but he was the seed of David through his mother, Showing again that he doesn't have a biological father according to Luke's genealogy (cf luke 3:23-38).

SO STOP DECEIVING YOURSELF..

[quote author=solite3 post=63296919][/quote]LOL.. IGNORANCE AND PRIDE WILL NOT LET YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ADOPTION AND BEGOTTEN..

solite3:
[ Was Mary a daughter of Adam?

Jesus was also a son of Adam.. (Luke 3:23-38)..
Being a Son of Adam doesn't limit God's power..

solite3:
OK no problem about that

Good..

solite3:
answer the question above.

Done

solite3:
the only requirement for Christ to be born is that the vessel will be a virgin and there where many who were also qualify to be Christ verse.Mary had no special quality above any other Jewish woman.

Ignorance. According to historical Christianity and the bible, God has always specially prepared his vessels, whether the ark or the tabernacle.. VIRGINITY WAS ONE CRITERIA, THAT DOESN'T STOP GOD FROM MAKING THE VESSEL WORTHY OF HIM...

solite3:
post the meaning of grace.
Modern day religion? Whether modern or old, religion will not take you anywhere

GO BACK AND READ IT YOURSELF..
Yours won't but mine will...

solite3:
post it again

Go and read it yourself...

solite3:
not everybody died, yes but all are under the penalty of sin which is death

CONTRADICTION..

solite3:
was Mary a sinner saved by grace? Was Mary among those whom Christ died? Was Mary not a daughter of Adam?

Arguing with yourself as usual..

God is not limited by Sin, He is not bound by time either,He can apply themerits of the cross anywhere.. And use it to preserve someone from sin.. If he chooses and he did..

solite3:
you went to an antichristian site to pick something that fill your own lust.
Answer my question first

Lol... its greek.. Authentic Greek interpretation from the best Academic institution in the world..
Its anti Christian. To you because it shows your faulty interpretation.. Lol..

solite3:
are Christians not Sons of God? Does that mean they don't have earthly father?
Look at your hypocrisy,
David not called FATHER OF JESUS ACCORDING TO THE FLESH.

Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

JESUS WAS THE SEED OF DAVID MEANING DAVID WAS A FATHER TO JESUS ACCORDING TO THE FLESH.

Ignorance indeed,
YOU SEE YOU'RE ARGUING WITH YOURSELF AGAIN... JESUS IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, YOU HAVE BROUGHT THAT I SAID CHRISTIANS ARE NOT SONS OF GOD WHICH I DIDNT BECAUSE OF YOUR OWN HYPOCRISY..
Jesus cannot have a father according to flesh meaning he cannot be born directly from a man..
Jesus been seed of David is because of his foster father Joseph and even his Mother Mary both are descendants of David, so by that he is a seed of David.

DAVID IS HIS ANCESTOR, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT A MAN CANNOT BE HIS BIOLOGICAL FATHER BECAUSE HE IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON..

WE ARE ADOPTED SONS
Gal4:4 But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.
romans 8:23 and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.

, WE ARE NOT DIRECTLY BEGOTTEN OF GOD Only Jesus is
John 3: 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

SO INCASE YOU DONT KNOW, GOD ADOPTED US, BUT HE BEGOT JESUS, SO JESUS CAN NOT HAVE TWO FATHERS UNLESS ONE BY ADOPTION, BUT WE ARE GOD'S CHILDREN BY ADOPTION..

[quote author=solite3 post=63286807][/quote]YOU'RE THE DUMB ONE, HOW CAN JESUS HAVE A FATHER ACCORDING TO THE FLESH WHEN HE IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD??
CAN SOMEONE HAVE TWO FATHERS

[quote author=solite3 post=63287993][/quote]1. Mary wasn't stained, that's the point.. She was saved from being stained in the first place.. Its like you don't even know what you are arguing against.. Lol

2. YES SHE DID.. AS PART OF CUSTOM..and the people of the time would have stoned her if she proclaimed she had a son outside her marriage, most would not even believe she was carrying Gods son... Ritual uncleanliness does not. equate to sin.. Jesus was circumcised, and baptized.. yet he never sinned..

3. No it doesn't, you are the one reading that into it.. GOD SAVED HER FROM SIN, I SEE YOU LIKE LOOKING FOR LANGUAGE FLAW .. SHE WAS PRESERVED FROM SIN.. SPECIALLY PREPARED FOR HER PURPOSE..

4. WE CANNOT ALL GIVE BIRTH TO JESUS.. BUT THE ONE WHO GAVE BIRYJ TO JESUS HAD TO BE PRESERVED TO BE A BEFITTING VESSEL. MARY WAS PERFECTED SPECIALLY BECAUSE OUT OF EVERYBODY WHO EVER LIVED, SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE TO BEAR GOD'S SON.. AND SHE WAS PREPARED for that purpose..

5. you asked for the meaning of grace which I have shown.. you are the one who has blinded yourself from truth because of your modern day religion..

6. I have shown you what grace means but you chose to blind yourself to it.

7.. yes we have.. Enoch didn't die, those who would be alive at the end won't either.. God is responsible for all situations but the point still remains that not everybody dies..

8. God is not limited by Sin, He is not bound by time either, He can apply the merits of the cross anywhere in time He chooses to..
9. The correct translation is not highly favoured, the fact that your translations have watered it down doesn't diminish the meaning ..
Luke 1:28 uses the Greek word Kecharitome and no. It doesn't just mean highly favoured..
Luke 1: 28 "Hail, ( kecharitomene: one
who has always been full of grace), the
Lord is with you. Blessed you among
women."
Kecharitomene, the perfect passive
participle, shows a completeness with a
with permanent result. Kecharitomene
denotes continuance of a completed
action (H. W. Smyth, Greek Grammar
(Cambridge: Harvard University Press,
1968 ) 108-109, sec 1852:b) (Blass
and DeBrunner p.175.)

solite3:
[ @ bold lol Jesus died on the cross, did Mary die on the cross?
Jesus was given forty strokes, how many was Mary given?
Jesus died and resurrect after three days, did Mary died and resurrect like Christ? Jesus ascended to heaven, did Mary ascend to heaven? Jesus was the Son of God who was Mary? From your statement everyone can see you are a liar and an Antichrist like your father the devil who compared himself to God.

Lol.. I see you have been reduced to grasping at straws.. Leaving the main issue To look for anything to hang on to..
Mary chose to die.. Because her Son and Lord died.. Deal with it.. Don't look for things that are besides the point to attack..

solite3:
do you have evidence for this. Provide one.
Mary perfected in grace? Explain!

how was Mary perfected in grace? What do you mean that God perfected mary in grace?

Luke 1:28 uses the Greek word Kecharitome and no. It doesn't just mean he ghly favoured..
Luke 1: 28 "Hail, ( kecharitomene: one
who has always been full of grace), the
Lord is with you. Blessed you among
women."
Kecharitomene, the perfect passive
participle, shows a completeness with a
with permanent result. Kecharitomene
denotes continuance of a completed
action (H. W. Smyth, Greek Grammar
(Cambridge: Harvard University Press,
1968 ) 108-109, sec 1852:b) (Blass
and DeBrunner p.175.)

solite3:
I have answered you already.

No you haven't... Answer the question

solite3:
Mary was never full of grace only Christ was.
Did Mary experience birth pangs during child birth? If yes, that means Mary was not an exception.

Your answer is above..

solite3:
you are not making sense

Lol.. How would I.. When you have closed your reasoning..

solite3:
you are not making sense

You've closed your brain so I don't expect it to make sense to you...

solite3:
you re just making up claims from your head, did God free Mary from her sin because she was righteous or because of the sacrifice of Jesus?

Mary was saved from ever committing by God's grace..

solite3:
Anybody who who receive Jesus is automatically freed from sin.Jesus choose to die because he was the Son of God not Son of Adam.

Yes indeed.. Mary had the choice because God graced and purified her to be the Mother of his Son..

solite3:
sin does not limit God's power but if anyone,including Mary says he had no sin then he is a liar.1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin,we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his wordis not in us.Mary cannot stand before God and say she has no sin.

GOD PURIFIED HER FROM SIN SO SHE HAS NO SIN BECAUSE GOD PERFECTED HER IN GRACE..
WE HAVE NOT YET BEEN PERFECTED IN GRACE BECAUSE WE were not given the honour of favour to be Jesus' Mother so indeed if we say we have no sin we are liars..

solite3:
it seems you don't know the meaning of grace, please go and look for the meaning of grace and stop disgracing yourself.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared for the salvation of all men, 12 training us to renounce irreligion and worldly passions, and to live sober, upright, and godly lives in this world

solite3:
The Only choice Mary or others have is either to accept Christ or not.

You are right, She accepted to bear Christ, but she was called "already perfected in grace" even before she was told she would bear Christ and she accepted..

solite3:
Sentence as how? Christ has set those who believe on him free from eternal condemnation, death itself is the last enemy to be destroyed.1 Corinthians 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

We have already established that not everybody dies...

solite3:
It is not of you to question God's order of doing things

That's more for your than me, because you think God is limited by nature or sin..
Death is the order yet not all die.. Sin is the order, why can't God create an exception..

solite3:
wow you pronounce Enoch guilt while Mary sinnless.Why will Mary who was 'sinnless' need to be perfected again.

You have been doing that since, why is it news now..

solite3:
BTW , there is no scripture that says Mary was full of grace only Jesus was full of grace.John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) [b]full of grace [/b]and truth.

Actually there is.. Luke 1:28... The more correct translation is not even full of grace but already perfected in grace...

solite3:
You said Mary didn't have a corrupt nature.
Now the question ia ,
Was Mary a daughter of Adam?

She was but she was perfected in grace from the moment of her conception,
Original sin is not something that is passed in semen, it is a lack of something, a lack of grace.. and as the angel said to her, She was "kecharitomene" already perfected in grace..

lol ur ignorance

solite3:
is astonishing, which choice was offered to Mary?When was the choice offers?Did your great grand father choose to die?You only have choice to accept the gift of eternal life by believing in Jesus or reject him.You can't choose to stay alive forever..

See who's talking about ignorance, you have no clue...

Like I said Mary was offered the choice and she willingly died to follow her Son in everything..

No My Grandfather wasn't given the choice because he was not perfected in grace.. Mary was..

You're right, everyone does not have the choice, only the Mother of Jesus whom God perfected in grace does...

solite3:
I am not oblige to answer your unreasonable questions.

You are.. You made a claim.. I asked you to provide positive evidence, unless you can't and you are avoiding it..

solite3:
@ bold that is a lie the effect of sin will continue till Christ will come.A person who has no sin don't need to be..

It's not, Mary was called full of grace.. Perfected in grace..
The effects of sin continue in those who were not perfected in Grace.. An exception was made for Mary because of Christ..

solite3:
I hate going round in circles please reread my previous posts..

You said Christ only took the judgement for our sins. Not the effect .. So which is it?? Does the holy spirit help us overcome that nature or not

solite3:
@ bold why would Enoch have to die if not the presence of sin?God didn't give Enoch a choice he took him.

Yes he did, because God didn't perfect Enoch in grace and Enoch didnt bear the son of God made man..

solite3:
the effect of sin was already there before Christ came. Jesus could die because he took the sin of the world on him. Without sin Jesus cannot die.

Jesus made the choice to be the sacrifice of our atonement, He chose to.. Sin does not limit God's power, He is all powerful..
MARY HAD A CHOICE TO BECAUSE, GOD FREED HER FROM SIN..

solite3:
A prisoner who is sentenced to death has no choice concerning his condition. But a free man can choose to have a sentence of death or not.

Yes Mary was free from sin by the Grace of God being perfected by God in grace.. So she does have a choice..
Here's a question though. Are you saying after our liberation by the cross of Christ we are still sentenced...

solite3:
The day sin entered into the world men lost the choice to live or not because all are guilty including Mary or Enoch.

Exactly, Enoch was guilty of sin, He wasn't full of grace or perfected in grace.. Mary was giving her the choice...

solite3:
you are the one that should be providing proof. Biologically it is not possible for someone to be alive for 2000 years plus, without dying. The proof that Mary is still alive is on you.

Enoch didn't choose not to die, God just took him away not because he cannot die, you have no point at all.

LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I DONT HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING, YOU SAID MARY DIED.. I SAY HOW DID SHE DIE, WHERE DID SHE AND WHERE ARE HER REMAINS,
I DIDN'T TELL YOU SHE DIDN'T DIE, YOU MADE THAT ASSUMPTION..

AND P.S. I DONT LIMIT GOD'S POWER TO WHAT BIOLOGY SAYS..

BIOLOGICALLY IT IS ALSO IMPOSSIBLE FOR A PERSON TO DIE AND RESURRECT AFTER THREE DAYS, JESUS..

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR A PERSON TO BE RESURRECTED AFTER BEING DEAD AND STINKING FOR FOUR DAYS..
Lazarus

IT IS ALSO BIOLOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A WITHERED HAND TO GROW INSTANTLY OUT OF NOTHING..

lesson.. God is not limited by biology..

solite3:
stop being emotional show maturity please.No Mary has no power to choose whether to die or not.

Like I said, whatever else's you think is your problem..

EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO CHOSE, IT'S CALLED FREEWIL.. THE CHOICE WAS OFFERED TO HER AND SHE MADE IT..

solite3:
OK if Mary is not dead where is she?

Answer the question I asked, don't try to turn it around, Like I said, I have nothing to prove.. You made the statement so prove it.

solite3:
you don't have that choice, only God cando that only Jesus has power over death.

You are right.. I don't.. But a person who has been purified from sin and the effects of sin by God died especially if offered the choice..

solite3:
Christ has taken away the judgement of sin that was placed upon those who believe in him does not mean the they don't have the sin nature.

So he only took away the judgement?? Why then did he say be holy as your heavenly father is?? Why did he give us the holy spirit?? Is it not to over the sin nature??

solite3:
enoch was taken by God's own decision not Enoch's decision.If God had not translated Enoch he would have died like everyone else.

You're right... Enoch would have died..
But the point is HE WASN'T. MEANING GOD IS NOT LIMITED.. HE CAN CHOSE TO LET SOMEONE WHO HAS SIN NATURE NOT SEE DEATH AND GIVE A CHOICE TO SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T..

solite3:
you are not making sense, Mary did not die?,where is Mary today? Stop being emotional.

LOL.. see who's talking about being emotional, like I said earlier, you are arguing with yourself.. Here's what I said...

easymancfc:
You are arguing with yourself here, I said Mary chose to die naturally because her son died going through dead just like he did.. WHATEVER ELSE YOU THINK IS YOUR PROBLEM..

[quote author=solite3 post=63282418]you argument is lame! Is Mary still alive today? where is she? Unless you say Mary didn't die,of which you will provide proof.

Am not arguing with you.. You made a statement that Mary died because she is s sinner, am merely asking you to prove your premise..
So I ask again,
1. Where did she die
2. How did she die??
3. Where was she buried??
4. Where are her remains??

I never claimed Mary didn't die so I have nothing to prove.. I await your answer..

solite3:
Christians die because they still posses the sin nature.Read Romans 7.Romans 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.Chrisistians still posses the sin nature.

How can they still be affected by the consequence of Sin after they have freed from sin..
Anyway there's still the problem of choice, Jesus chose to die, He didn't have to.. So a person who cannot die can choose to...

solite3:
he did not die because God took him of God had not took him he would have died because he inherited a sinful nature just like other men.

You're right, he would have died, but He did not, So there's a contradiction.. So not everyone who has sin or "sin nature" dies... So why won't people who don't have sin die?? Especially if they choose to??

[quote author=Ochoiho post=63276249][/quote]Thanks for your concern.. but its unfounded, Like I have shown you.. God was talking about Idolatry (worshipping) other gods not making images..

You say God made exceptions, I say God can not command a man to do something objectively evil especially in his worship,
IF MAKING IMAGES IN THEMSELVES was evil then God would not command them to be made ESPECIALLY IN HIS WORSHIP...

GOD IS THE SAME YES YOU ARE RIGHT, SO THE SAME GOD THAT COMMANDED IMAGES TO BE MADE HAS NOT CHANGED, AND HE KNOWS THAT MAKING IMAGES IS NOT OBJECTIVELY SINFUL OR EVIL then THAT'S WHY HE COMMANDED IT TO BE MADE AND USED IN HIS WORSHIP.

like I said, you are divorced from historic Christianity, The fact that your less than 400yrs old heresy says so doesn't make it true. I hold the fullness of the Christian faith as taught and practiced for 2000yrs for all times. your new age heresy doesn't count for much.You are deceived and it is a pity you can't see the errors of your man-made Church.

AND FINALLY HONOUR AND WORSHIP ARE DIFFERENT THINGS..

[quote author=Ochoiho post=63276249][/quote]Thanks for your concern.. but its unfounded, Like I have shown you.. God was talking about Idolatry (worshipping) other gods not making images..

You say God made exceptions, I say God can not command a man to do something objectively evil especially in his worship,
IF MAKING IMAGES IN THEMSELVES was evil then God would not command them to be made ESPECIALLY IN HIS WORSHIP...

GOD IS THE SAME YES YOU ARE RIGHT, SO THE SAME GOD THAT COMMANDED IMAGES TO BE MADE HAS NOT CHANGED, AND HE KNOWS THAT MAKING IMAGES IS NOT OBJECTIVELY SINFUL OR EVIL then THAT'S WHY HE COMNANDED

[quote author=solite3 post=63267501][/quote]1. THE POINT IS THAT ENOCH DIDN'T DIE,
AND PLEASE WHERE IS IT RECORDED THAT HE WAS "TRANSLATED" EMPHASIS ON TRANSLATED...

2. YES MOSES DIED, BUT HIS BODY WAS DRAGGED BY THE ANGEL AND THE DEVIL, WHY?? IF THE BODY WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM..

3. YOU ARE AVOIDING THE QUESTION, ZACHEUS IS OF NOT CONSEQUENCE, BUT AM SURE I CAN FIND OUT ALL THE INFORMATION YOU WANT, YOU SHOULD HAVE USED THE APOSTLES, PETER DIED, AND I KNOW HOW HE DIED AND WHERE HE WAS BURIED, SO DID PAUL, MATHEW, THOMAS ETC I KNOW FROM HISTORY, SO CAN YOU NOW ANSWER MY QUESTION

4. Wrong again, Enoch was taken in his physical body..
The two witnesses were taken with their physical bodies
Rev 11:11 But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood up on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up hither!” And in the sight of their foes they went up to heaven in a cloud.

And you are correct a corrupt body will not enter heaven, Mary's body was not corrupt..

[quote author=solite3 post=63267501][/quote]1. THE POINT IS THAT ENOCH DIDN'T DIE,
AND PLEASE WHERE IS IT RECORDED THAT HE WAS "TRANSLATED" EMPHASIS ON TRANSLATED...

2. YES MOSES DIED, BUT HIS BODY WAS DRAGGED BY THE ANGEL AND THE DEVIL, WHY?? IF THE BODY WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM..

3. YOU ARE AVOIDING THE QUESTION, ZACHEUS IS OF NOT CONSEQUENCE, BUT AM SURE I CAN FIND OUT ALL THE INFORMATION YOU WANT, YOU SHOULD HAVE USED THE APOSTLES, PETER DIED, AND I KNOW HOW HE DIED AND WHERE HE WAS BURIED, SO DID PAUL, MATHEW, THOMAS ETC I KNOW FROM HISTORY, SO CAN YOU NOW ANSWER MY QUESTION

4. Wrong again, Enoch was taken in his physical body..
The two witnesses were taken with their physical bodies
Rev 11:11 But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood up on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up hither!” And in the sight of their foes they went up to heaven in a cloud.

And you are correct a corrupt body will not enter heaven, Mary's body was not corrupt..

solite3:
Mary can never ever go through what Christ went through.

You are arguing with yourself here, I said Mary chose to die naturally because her son died going through dead just like he did.. WHATEVER ELSE YOU THINK IS YOUR PROBLEM..

solite3:
You have contradicted yourself by saying Mary chose to die while at the same time trying to say Mary did not die.

No I am not.. I asked a question which you failed to answer, How do you know she died?? How did she die?? And where is she buried.. You claimed she died so answer..

solite3:
The fact that anyone can die is because of sin.
If there was no sin there would be no issue of death in the first place,

1. I agree with you.. Sin brought death, but can a person not chose to die??
2. Jesus purified Christians and all who believe in him from sin yet they also die, Even a person who has been freed from sin and is living a holy life also dies, So there's no contradiction, Jesus saves us from sin, going by your logic any one who is a true christian, freed from sin and is holy then should not die..
MY POINT IS JESUS HAS TAKEN AWAY OUR SIN YET CHRISTIANS ALSO DIE..

solite3:
Enoch would not need to have been saved from death, Mary would not need to have died nor the apostles or anyone, sin is the cause of all these.
This tells you that
All have sinned including Enoch

Acording to you ENOCH SINNED BUT HE DID NOT DIE... So that's a contradiction to your statement

bloodofthelamb:
Lol at mother church... I will keep praying for the liberation of souls held captive in catholic cult.

History proves that the Catholic Church was the only Christian Church for 1000 years, after the great schism of 1054, There was an East -West Split, but their doctrines remained the same, It was in in the 16th century that the Protestant Reformation started, and the Person who started from a rogue catholic priest, In England also, King Henry VIII was also a Catholic before he created the Anglican Church

SO INDEED THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THE MOTHER CHURCH BECAUSE ALMOST ALL OTHER CHURCHES BROKE AWAY FROM IT EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY...
IT WAS THE ONLY CHURCH FOR 1500 YEARS..

bloodofthelamb:
Jehovah witness hold such believe as well in the issue of interpreting the Bible.

There's a difference, the Jehovah's witnesses were found in the 19th century while the catholic church is over 2000 years old, So age..
secondly whether you agree or not history tells us that the catholic church compiled the canon of scripture (the new testament) and adopted the old testament (Septuagint) in the councils of Rome (382), Hippo (393) and Carthage (397) by Catholic bishops Augustine, Jerome and Athanasius playing important roles with all the Bishops all over the world, there were no Jehovah's witnesses there, no Redeemed, no deeper life, All those would not exist until the next 1600 years for the Jehovah's witnesses.
SO ACCORDING TO HISTORY, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS MORE CREDIBILITY THAT THE JW

bloodofthelamb:
CHRIST was made a sinner for me and you. My sins was transferred to Christ that is why he died.

Christ died a sinner. But not of his own sins, but of the sins of the world.

AMEN BRO.. WE AGREE WITH YOU..
BUT ACCORDING TO EARLY CHURCH WRITING MARY CHOSE TO DIE NATURALLY BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO GO THROUGH WHAT HER SON AND LORD WENT THROUGH, SHE SAID IF HER SON AND LORD DIED, THEN SHE WOULD GLADLY DO SO IN FOLLOWING HIM...

solite3:
You mean Mary killed herself? Or was She killed for her faith in Christ? In any case it tells you everybody pertook of the sinful nature of Adam.
Without sin there is no death.
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Jesus died because he was carrying the sin of others not his own but even if the apostles where killed for their faith it shows that they have this sinful human nature.
The flesh can not enter heaven do you know why?
1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Mary didn't kill herself, or died for the faith,
ARE THOSE THE ONLY WAY IN WHICH CHRISTIANS DIE??
WHAT ABOUT ENOCH?? DID HE DIE??.
JUDE 1 TELLS US THAT MOSES' BODY WAS CONTENDED BETWEEN MICHAEL AND THE DEVIL??
HOW DO YOU EVEN KNOW MARY DIED??
DID THE BIBLE TELL YOU THAT??
DO YOU KNOW WHERE HER GRAVE OR HER BODY IS??

npowerng:
Kindly go to ABAJI for your physical verification, You selected it yourself sir.

ABAJI VERIFICATION IS ON HOLD ACCORDING TO THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN THERE, THE YOUTHS ARE PREVENTING THE EXERCISE..
PLEASE CLEAR UP THE ISSUE OR LET US DO OUR VERIFICATION IN BWARI

solite3:
Jesus died because of our sin. Why did Mary die?

The point is he died, He was nailed, flogged and pierced and his body died because of the wounds and pain,
Mary died because she wanted to follow her son's footsteps...

Ochoiho:
Eya a a, so this is your sound understanding of the scripture. I;ll take time to explain to you not to 'shame' you but believing that God will give you understanding so you can come out of this cult call Catholic. Time is running out.

The only image included in the Temple that Solomon built was that of the Cherubim. That is the parttern for building the temple as was shown to Moses on the mountain.
Acts 7:44 Our fathers had the tabernacle of the testimony with them in the wilderness. It was constructed exactly as God had directed Moses, according to the pattern he had seen
See the Tabernacle as was built by Moses, Solomon only followed the parttern, anything short of that is not acceptable.
Exodus 37:6-8"He made the atonement cover of pure gold—two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. 7 Then he made two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. 8 He made one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; at the two ends he made them of one piece with the cover'.
Apart from that of the Cherubim, which other Image did Solomon included in the Temple? Can you also show me where the children of Israel where seen 'honouring' the Image of the Cherubim included in the Temple.
Is it that you people lack basic understanding or the church only look out for what to hold unto to commit this terrible Idolatry sin before God?

Please repent while you still have the opportunity

AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DOES NOT BELONG TO THE DEVIL, IT IS THE CHURCH CHRIST FOUNDED ON THE APOSTLES THAT HAD BEEN DOING THE WORK OF. GOD THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE. YOUR MUSHROOM DENOMINATION WAS FOUNDED BY A MAN..

This can be verified by history and the testimony of the early Christians and some disciplines of the apostles..

Go and read Church history, The Church was one before 1054, then two but still united in doctrine and practice it was in 1517 that the chain reaction of division in Christianity started and division continued until your mushroom denomination was found.. SO YOU ARE IGNORANT OF 1800 years of Church history..

THE CHURCH DIDNT END IN ACTS 28 AND RESUMED WITH YOUR DENOMINATION IT CONTINUED THROUGHOUT TIME AND JESUS HAS BEEN PROTECTING IT.. AS HE PROMISED IN Mathew 28:20 b and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.. and PRESERVING IT AS HE PROMISED IN Mathew 16: 18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Ochoiho:
Am so sorry for you people. Solomon included an image of a cherubim in the temple according to the pattern for the sanctuary as shown to Moses by God on the mountain
Acts 7:44 Our fathers had the tabernacle of the testimony with them in the wilderness. It was constructed exactly as God had directed Moses, according to the pattern he had seen.
Exodus 37:6-8"He made the atonement cover of pure gold—two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. 7 Then he made two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. 8 He made one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; at the two ends he made them of one piece with the cover'.
God gave the above specification for building His Sanctuary, Moses and Solomon followed this specific instruction to include the image of the Cherubim above the Mercy Seat. Apart from that of the Cherubim, which other Image did Solomon included in the Temple? Can you also show me where the children of Israel where seen 'honouring' the Image of the Cherubim included in the Temple.
Is it that you people lack basic understanding or the church only look out for what to hold unto to commit this terrible Idolatry sin before God?

You that is reading this, there is still opportunity for you to repent. Please think about this with an open mind, come out of Catholic before its too late for you. Dont said its my church, all church belong to Jesus but Catholic belongs to the Devil.

No disrespect to you.. but you show ignorance even though you claim you want to teach..
YOU SAY DONT MAKE STATUES, WE SHOWED YOU THAT GOD COMMANDED STATUES TO BE MADE... SOLOMON MADE STATUES IN THE TEMPLE

YOU SAID SOLOMON BROUGHT IDOLATRY.. WE SHOWED YOU THAT HIS IDOLATRY IS NOT IN MAKING IMAGES IN THE TEMPLE WHICH GOD ACCEPTED AND CONSECRATED BUT IN SERVING PAGAN GODS..

NOW YOU SAY ONLY ONE IMAGE OF CHERUBIM WAS COMMANDED BY GOD..

for your information.. Not only the image of the cherubim was made, images of PALM TREES, GOURDS, FLOWERS were also made in the temple.. (cf 1 kings 6).. And the cherubim was not only made in the sanctuary, it was also carved on the walls and doors along with the images of flowers and palm trees(v 29 and v 32, 35)... Not to mention the image of a bronze serpent (numbers 21: which was a prefigurement of Jesus Christ (john 3:14)..

AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION, WE DONT HONOUR IMAGES, WE HONOUR THE PEOPLE THEY REPRESENT, and there's nothing wrong with that..
the bible instructs us to give honour to whom it is due (rom 13:7)..

To give respect to a symbol because of what it represents is not idolatry..
Nigerians salute the flag..

the Parliamentarians respect the Mace..

Nigerian Army soldiers salute memorials and statues of national heroes..
ITS COMMON SENSE

WORSHIP IS IN THE HEART.. IT IS MANIFESTED IN OUTWARD SIGNS BUT IT COMES FROM THE HEART..
HONOURING SOMEONE IS DIFFERENT FROM WORSHIPPING THEM..

AND HONOURING SOMEONE DOES NOT EQUATE TO IDOLATRY IF THAT S THE CASE THEN WE WOULD ALL BE GUILTY..

[quote author=solite3 post=63251315][/quote]Jesus died... Is Jesus a sinner too

G007:
Thanks you very much. Please, do mention me about the happenings there

there's a list pasted on the wall now, and your name has to be on the list for you to be able to do your verification..

npowerng:
Are you very sure that's the place of residence you selected ?
You can check in other LGAs you might have filled During the registration process

You can kindly check your portal now for the exact LGA you selected.

Please advise... I just went to my local govt of residence to do my verification and my name was not on the list, I just checked the updated link online and saw that my local govt was ABAJI INSTEAD OF BWARI..
WHAT SHOULD I DO?? ABAJI IS FAR FROM WHERE I LIVE.. PLS RESPOND ASAP.. THANKS

hadow:
what u just said now portrays that you think saints are only those who are dead. Romans 8:27, 1 Corinthians 6:1

NO.. YOU ARE THE ONE SAYING THAT, Everyone one who has been called into Christ is called to be a saint and is a saint if they remain in the faith, But those in Heaven (Mary) have being confirmed as saints because they have received their crown of glory, while those of us here on earth have not received that confirmation yet and can still fall away..
This verse puts it perfectly..
2 peter 1:10 Therefore, brethren, be the more zealous to confirm your call and election, for if you do this you will never fall; 11 so there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

SO THOSE IN HEAVEN HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED IN GOD'S CALL AND ELECTION TO BE SAINTS.. WHILE THOSE OF US ON EARTH WHILE BEING SAINTS MIGHT FALL..

2. BEING SAINTS CAN ALSO MEAN BEING HOLY, WHILE WE ON EARTH ARE STRUGGLING TO BE HOLY, THE SAINTS IN HEAVEN HAVE ALREADY BEEN PERFECTED IN HOLINESS (cf Hebrews 12:21-23)..

3. Think about this analogy, People in medical school can be called doctors because they are in training, but this title is more befitting to those who have graduated, done housemanship and have taken their Hippocratic oath..
The one in medical school even in final year can drop out and become something else.. So while calling him a doctor is good.. It is better to call the one's that have been confirmed as doctors doctors..

So NO, I DON'T THINK ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE DIED ARE SAINTS..