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If we go deep we'll discover that girl is not her biological daughter

kuzee:
even if she does, dnt you think it will have any effect on her daughter and her father,especially the whole family when they found about d blackmail .
you dnt nid to ask me if i ws there..the op has already spill out the answer..
first her daughter gave birth,wnt she be happy herself to be called a grandmama,
secondly she came all d way from nigeria..
God brought her there to catch the devil cz he doesnt want to spoil the home..God hs a way of doing things,suppose he wasnt caught..the marriage will be far dead..

I hope to God you are right

kuzee:
guy park well..wat kinda blackmail re you talking of?
blackmailing him is like blackmailing her daughter..who in the right sense will do that, supposing the daughter find out her mother has bin blackmailing him, what do you think will happen next

You talk like you dont know women. And how sure are you that the mother agreed to their marriage in the first place? were you there? How are you sure if he is the aka gum type? Anyway my point is, the mama has an advantage, either she uses it or not is her biz

Chai!! na mama catch you! e for better if na another person. Meanwhile she wont say anything to your wife because she is wise and wouldnt want to be the cause of break up in your house considering the situation on ground. But mind you, expect a blackmail soon. It may not come now, but in the nearby future

Bidam:
God is uncreated. Jesus is the creator and all things are done by the Holy Spirit.SO GOD CREATED THE WORLD THROUGH JESUS BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. The 3 agree and they are ONE...This is the mystery Paul talked about. and the book of revelation is way above your pay grade. God is in 3 persons. There is nothing like multiple gods you and your friends are advocating in scriptures.

You couldn't have said it better. Cool

CAPTIVATOR:
I just smiled ..... Honestly speaking, You dont need all this emotional outburst
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Jesus was born into existence as the direct Creation of the FATHER , Making Him the ' FIRST-BORN OF All CREATION" by the Invisible God, The FATHER Col 1:15, Proverb 8:22,30 >Matthew 11:19) !
This is why Jesus is reffered to as the " Son of God" , the same way Created angels are also called " son of God" Job 38:4-7 And the first human creature is also refered to as the " Son Of God" Luk 3:38

NOTE: THE title " Son Of God" is never applied to the Father, The FATHER Was Never Created! ( Psalm 90:2)


DO YOU NOW BELIEVE THAT JESUS HAVE A SUPERIOR GOD ??

God didn't create Jesus. Mind the way you construct your english. Jesus has always existed with God the father from the beginning.

ayoku777:
Are you saying Jesus preached a lie or said less than the truth, so that the Jews could accept His message? If the Father is NOT His God will He say the Father is so that the Jews will not stone Him?

And did you see the part where He still called the Father His God after He rose from the dead? And in the book of revelation; long after His glorification and enthronement in heaven? He still called the Father "My God". Or He's still saying that for the sake of the Jews?

Or the part in 1Cor where the Son will be subject to the Father for eternity? I wish I was making this stuff up, but I'm not.

No one is saying Jesus isn't God, no one is saying He's no the creator, no one is saying He's not the Word -He is all that and even more. All I'm saying is that the Father is also His God.

I know how you feel. Saying Jesus has a God will feel weird for a while, but it is the truth. Jesus doesn't lie, or say what is not the truth for any reason.

Or do you disagree that the Father is the God of Jesus?

Jesus is part of the trinity. God the father, God the Son and God the Holy spirit. Each entity is equal.

I rest my case.

ayoku777:
Other messianic verses of the bible where Jesus is shown to also be Yahovah (YHWH)

Zachariah 12v10 -And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and supplications: and they shall look upon ME whom they have pierced....

Now who is the "I" and the "ME whom they have pierced" that was talking here?

Back up to verse 4;

Zechariah 12v4 -In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astnonishment, and his rider with madness:....

So the "pierced one" whom the house of David will look to is Yahovah.

And we all know Jesus is the "pierced one" not the Father. So Jesus too is YHWH.

Reading the verse 4 and 10 together:

Zechariah 12v4,10 -In that day saith the LORD (YHWH), I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness:....and I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and supplications: and they shall look upon ME (YHWH) whom they have pierced (JESUS).....

The second messianic verse where Jesus is called YHWH;

Jeremiah 23v5-6 -Behold the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

In His days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is His NAME whereby He shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGTHEOUSNESS (YHWH TSIDKENU)

Jesus is YHWH TSIDKENU.

I'm someone that loves to let the bible say what it said; and not read personal sentiments to it. And the bible clearly called and referred to Jesus as Yahovah, God and even Father in more than one scripture.

The issue I have is just when people try to make that imply that it means Jesus is the same person as THE FATHER or that Jesus is equal in authority to the Father, or that its together that Jesus and the Father are God or YHWH.

NO! Scripture is clear that even though Jesus is called Yahovah, God, Father and Head; He equally has someone else that is ALL that to Him as well. Jesus has a God, a Father and a Head. Establishing that Jesus is not the MostHigh God, or the Ultimate Father or the Overall Head. It is the Father.

Admitting this felt weird to me too at first for a while, coz I felt as if I was reducing Jesus. I had a bit of a battle admitting it and a bit of a struggle confessing it -that Jesus has a God or that He is not the Mosthigh God.

Changing your doctrinal opinion after many years can be that difficult and tasking; but I love to pursue doctrinal and scriptural truth at all cost. I myself believed and preached trinity before; infact if you look at some of my earliest posts on NL, I argued for the trinity doctrine.

But I started seeing from scripture, that their oneness is not equality. Jesus and the Father are not God together. Jesus is God but the Father is the God of Jesus. And this was not just in the days of His humanity -it is a truth that continues into eternity.

Jesus called the Father His God, when He walked the earth as the Son of Man, when He hung on the cross as the lamb of God and when He rose from the dead as the Son of God and resurrected Christ.

And over fifty years later after His glorification and enthronement in heaven; in the vision of John, the Father was still His God.

And in the age to come, when the kingdom is come and Jesus is enthroned on earth; He will still be subject to His Father.

Jesus was not just being humble when He said "The Father is greater than I". He was speaking the truth. Humility is agreement with the truth. The Father was, is and will forever be greater than Jesus.

When we talk about events, let's consider other factors as well. During Jesus time what was the jewish belief? "O ye Israel, the LOrd our God is one". That was the basis of their belief. Now tell me, do you expect Jesus to start preaching with the message that "I am your God"? Or I created you all?" That would jeopardize his mission and besides, his wisdom is at work here too. He had to obey their law, the jewish law. Be it the way they worship in the temple or their belief that only one God exist. Why did they call him blasphemy? "He made himself equal to God''!!! God is a title. God the father, God the son and God the spirit makes up the GOdhead.
When He created the world, all He said was Let there be light" that spoken word, which was generated from that same substance brought out creation. Bear in mind, that word was not created,..no! It was generated from a source, making it have the same qualities as the source itself. Jesus the Word. Jesus is God the son.
Whatever he did on earth was to teach the people. Teach them how to live, love and pray to God. Do you expect him to be pompous and proud? His coming is to bring a new ideology and also teach them how to relate to God.

So all these theories you people are talking or arguing will not take you anywhere.

CAPTIVATOR:
MODALISM Preacher ..... Are u saying Jesus is his own Father ? Even trinitarians believe that the Father is a person distinct from the Son.

Eternal father is a title given to the child when he was born because he " became responsible for eternal salvation to all those obeying him" Heb 5:9

On the Trinity

'God made this universe by His word,reason and power. Your philosophers also agree that the maker of the universe seems to be Logos that is, word and reason...(for example,Zeno and Cleanthes).. We also claim that the word,reason and virtue, by which we have said that God made all things, have spirit as their substance...
This word, we have learnt was produced from God, and was generated by being produced, and therefore is called the Son of God, and God, from unity of substance with God. For God too is Spirit.
When a ray is projected from the sun it is a portion of the whole sun; but the sun will be in the ray because it is a ray of the sun; the substance is not seperated but extended. So from spirit comes spirit, and God from God, as light is kindled from light...
This ray of God glided down into a virgin, in her womb was fashioned as flesh, is born as man mixed with God. the flesh was built up by the Spirit, was nourished, grew up, spoke, taught, worked, and was Christ.''

CAPTIVATOR:
The explanation is right there UNLESS am speakin with a preacher of Modalism error that says Jesus is the Father ! .... Even trinitarians know that the Father is a person diferent from the Son ,

" WITNESS of Two persons ..... I am one who bears witness about myself (1st witness), and the Father WHO SENT ME bears witness about me (2nd witness) " Joh 8: 17,18 TWO DISTINCT PERSONS!

Eternal father is a title given to the son because " he became RESPONSIBLE for eternal salvation to all those obeying him" Heb 5:9

ANSWER THIS: DO U BELIEVE JESUS HAVE A SUPERIOR GOD ??

Have you heard of the Trinity?

CAPTIVATOR:
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Bidam .... " GOD (The Almighty) is the head of Christ ( Mighty)" 1 Cor 11:3

- JEHOVAH GOD ALMIGHTY prophesy thru his prophet Isaiah to call the messiah " eternal father" why ? Jesus is person vested with the responsibility to grant mankind eternal life , " he became responsible for eternal salvation to all those obeyin him" Heb 5:9 and right now, " he is able to save completely all those who are approaching God Through him, because he is always alive TO PLEAD for them" before God ( Heb 7:25) .

~ Rev 1:8 Refers to the Almighty , Jehovah .... "the God of Christ" Ephesian 1:17

Look here! don't try to twist words because we understand simple english. All i see is you countering passages in the Bible with your own beliefs, and i'm not going to fall for it. Listen to yourself ''God told isaiah to call the messiah ''eternel father'' what's this? or what are trying to say?

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

CAPTIVATOR:
Jesus dont need to reply him at all ! The evidence speaks

" these are written ( includin thomas statement) that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the SON OF God" John 20:31 ! SON OF God NOT GOD HIMSELF .

Define ''SON OF God''

johnydon22:
just like you are imagining a super being who you like to assume exists outside the dimension of time and space!!!

You can believe what so ever you want to. You can even believe he doesn't exist, who gives a poo. Just don't infect us with your unbelief

CAPTIVATOR:
Very Good! If HUMANS are called " GODS" , and SATAN is called " GOD" ..... OF Course, Jesus occupies a far higher position than any of this , has he is the " ONLY BEGOTTEN SON" of the Father , Then thomas have a point for refferin to Jesus as " My God" ( remember also that thomas was in a shocked mood, exclamation mark(!) )!! BUT THIS STATEMENT NEVER MEANS JESUS IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD !

- Thomas had heard Jesus pray to HIS FATHER and reffer to him as " THE ONLY TRUE GOD" Joh 17:3!

- After Jesus Ressurection, Thomas had heard the message that Jesus passed across to his disciples " I am ascending ... To MY GOD AND YOUR GOD" Joh 20:17

lolz............All what you just said i'm sorry doesnt make sense. ''he was in shock mood indeed!!!'' And please! we use gods for lesser beings like humans and the devil. Do not attribute it to God.

Thomas was a jew, and Jewish belief is that of a one God. Jesus would have replied him telling him ''nooooo dont call me God''....why didnt he?

God can exist anywhere 'you' put him/her/it outside the space time continuum, yet don't be surprised, that those 'places' are beyond 'your' imagination, as 'you', me' and all of us 'mortals' are not capable to picture those. We already struggle to imagine a 4 dimensional space + time as its 5th, so there is not much of a point to 'imagine' any further ...

Time is just an illusion created by matter and motion. If there would be no motion there would be no time.
Motion brings the idea of "space" There "must" be space for something to move in....

We, humans, conceive "space" and "time" as gigantic, infinite.....
But this is only a naive impression enslaved to our minimal dimensions.... If any....
Think of the universe as a spot in the center of the center of the center of the center of a an infinitely small point in the middle of the Nothingness!
Now imagine: How long would it take to traverse this center of centers from one side to the other? How far we would have to move?

God is "timeless" because THERE IS NO TIME!
The only REAL time is PRESENT!
If someone wants to find God he must watch the Present. The present is Eternity. It never started; it goes nowhere, it is always HERE.... Feel it!

If you want to try a different exercise then: Think of Time, Space and Matter-Motion within God.
Think of God as Absolute. Including ALL....

CAPTIVATOR:
YES ! But according to the ancient greek scripture, humans are " GODS" ! ( are u aware that the original greek used in writing the scripture has no uppercase or lowercase letters like english language).

But who did Jesus Christ refer to as the " ONLY TRUE GOD" john 17:3 ?? THE FATHER

What about the apostles

" for even though there are so called GODS ( using the rule of greek), whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many " GODS" ..... There is actually to us ONE GOD, THE FATHER from whom all things are and we for him" ! 1 cor 8:5,6 this scripture doesnt need explanation but i will explain .

POINT 1: We have one God

POINT 2: This One God is not composed of trinity BUT ONLY THE FATHER ! 1 COR 8:5,6

If you are so concerned about the capital letter ''G'' being attributed to GOD, and since you are bringing out quotes from the Bible, which tells me you really believe in its content, please explain this verse. John 20:28 Thomas said to him, ''my Lord and my God''

CAPTIVATOR:
Do you know that Satan is also called " GOD" in the scripture above ??

Yes i am aware. Humans are gods too, hope you are aware of that too

davien:
And you know this how?

Answer this question: Do you believe God exist

Jameselias:
All is energy all is vibration It lies on your understanding of the mechansim of vibration as it relates to time. Time is the distances b/w two event but if the vibration of a thing is so high that it can vibrate for say trillions of trillions per semi-second then for such a being or thing time virtually cease for such a thing God is in such infinit vibration again God is not as it is presented by religion

.................and to add to that, God has no attribute to time.

2 Corinthian 4:4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

davien:
please search before making broad statements...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_System
http://www.noao.edu/education/peppercorn/pcmain.html
And if you can assert without evidence who/what made everything then I could say as well that a space-chimp made everything.

I dont need any link to back up my saying that trying to understand God is far way beyond human intelligence

davien:
This claim is made by perhaps virtually every theist that wants to offer apologetics to the question of where "god" is.

My issue with this is that,besides the fact that the doctrines involved makes no such claim(or atleast claims "god" coming from "the clouds" ).

There is virtually no way to even state whether space and time has an outside,because it(space and time) encompasses all of existence..It would be the same as claiming space has an edge.
So if space-time encompasses all of existence(as far as we can tell),then what does the theist mean by claiming "god" lies outside existence as though it were known that existence contains an "outside"..

If you would like to offer your views to this,please do.

The solar system as well as the whole galaxies can NEVER be covered by man, NEITHER its knowledge nor size. Then you cannot expect man to fathom how large it is. God is the creator of everything. Any attempt to try and measure how big God is is total madness!

CHARLOE:
U CAN GET IT @ KONGA. Plz how is d fone, thinking of getting it myself

The phone is okay, but too sensitive cos I have no pouch. Konga doesn't have it, not even jumia. I only saw results in foreign stores. I got mine at jumia, and I keep wondering how they can sell a tab without having a pouch in stock! I weak o!

I'm looking to buy a lenovo Tab a3300 case and pouch. Anyone with information on where i can get it? thanks

ayoku777:
We need to understand scriptural language.

All things doesn't include the Father.

When the bible says;

1Cor 15v27 -For He hath put ALL THINGS UNDER HIS FEET.

Does that "ALL THINGS" include the Father? Has the Father been put under the feet of Christ? Ofcourse NOT! ALL THINGS exclude the Father.

1Cor 15v27 -...But when He saith, all things are put under Him, it is manifest that He is EXCEPTED, which did put all things under Him

So when the Bible says;

John 1v3 -ALL THINGS were made by Him;

It is obvious that, the "all things" excludes the Father. That Jesus made "all things" doesn't mean He is the Father or that otherwise He made the Father too. That He made all things doesn't mean He wasn't begotten as well.

NO! "All things" does not include the Father. The Father brought forth the Son and the Son made ALL THINGS.

I think RikoduoSennin has the other points covered.

To shed more light : .This word, In the beginning we have learnt was produced from God, and was generated by being produced, and therefore is called the Son of God, and God, from unity of substance with God. For God too is Spirit. When a ray is projected from the sun it is a portion of the whole sun; but the sun will be in the ray because it is a ray of the sun; the substance is not seperated but extended. So from spirit comes spirit, and God from God, as light is kindled from light...

andromida:
I think the actions always tell. NO he should not believe her.

Thank you

I wonder the kind of damage it did to our body system back then. The amount of sugar alone is enough to take like five each day.

@Andromida: let me ask you, and please i want you to be honest with your answer. You have a boyfriend, who you love. And from his actions you truly believe his plans for you are those of a long term. Now will i be right to say you can decide to still have options maybe because he is the working class and you are still schooling, but deep down you know who the main person is. Meanwhile you are with this other dude, and you still tell him sweet words making him think he is the one too.

My point is this: Women know who their real love is. So if the OP is the girl's love, he has no problem. Question is, does he believe her if she told him he was her real love?

Armanice:
lol, if dem call us gay dem Goodluck, Buhari, Osinbwho and Namadi are our founder's

relax jawe #Am straight

hahahahahhehehehe

andromida:
The guy is not helpless. He gets to choose what to do. Its all him not fate, all him.

i rest my case