lionel4power:


Why I am persistent that it is a DMR is because of the heavy barrel which is for precision shooting.

DMR needs a heavier barrel for precision unlike light machine guns which usually use lighter barrels but with more frequent changes.

Also, a light machine gun usually uses belt-fed magazines with 100 rounds and more for a higher volume of fire. It is very weird to see a light machine gun with box magazine as in the picture above. Box magazines hold around 25 to 30 rounds each. (Although the Russian RPK-74 and Chinese Type-56 use extended box magazine that holds 100 rounds.)

An LMG that fires 25 to 30 rounds per burst cannot be call a machine gun. The role of an LMG is to provide suppressing fire while other squad elements maneuver out of the fire zone.

Now how will an LMG with only 30 rounds provide effective suppression? I recall in the year 2000, the United States wanted to ditch their Minimi LMG for a lighter rifle with a box magazine to handle the LMG role but with more precise firing. But it failed to be effective in combat because their study showed that enemies react more to higher volume of fire than precise shots.

I have attached two images of the same rifles in different roles for reference.

The first is an H&K G3 DMR the same rifle as the one above.

The second is the H&K G3 in LMR role. See the belt-fed.

You are persistently wrong.

Your belief doesn't cancel fact.

My Immigration gun is not not not G3, its confirmed HK416, Google it.



Pic 1. Short scope, Squad optic for short range sighting in CQB engagement. IAR SAW LMG variant.


A Squad optic is for Squad gun called SAW or LMG. See same short fat scope on Immigration gun, so its SAW LMG.


Pic 2. Immigration gun has exact same short fat scope. DMR Sniper variant.


Pic 3. Long scope is Sniper Marksman optic for long range sighting standoff engagement.


Your plenty story is wrong. Face data specs facts. Leave faction imaginations. Factory tech has advanced, so barrel materials can be light alloy despite looking like heavy it may be light.

You also wrong you imagine barrel to change is that heavy internal systems n accessories cover housing that already has modern heat reduction design hell no, its only uncooled thin barrel changed in overheat.

Your many speculations are not data specs fact.

Last bye bye young friend, enough said

lionel4power:


That's not an AK but an RPK-74 or a Chinese-made Type-56 light machine gun

But my point is that I believe the gun above is a DMR and not a machine gun.

Not exactly, its actually a Serbian M72 Zastava copy clone but its based on Soviet RPK.


Scope does not mean a firearm is a marksman sniper gun.

Friend, I troway my doubts, I will say its LMG not DMR.

My Immigration gun is not Heckler & Koch G3, rather its Heckler & Koch HK416.

So be asking, what variant of HK416 is it? USMC type HK416 has Squad LMG variant called M27 and also Sniper DMR variant called M38.


I will say its Squad Automatic Weapon SAW variant. SAW is also called Light Machine Gun LMG.

So my NIS Immigration photo is Squad LMG variant HK416 rifle.

See the confirmento images naa. 1st pic your DMR. 2nd my LMG squad auto.

I told you smaller shorter scope is squad optic, not marksman sniper optic. Look at my next photos, notice the two scope sizes differ.

Read both ID descriptions written on each pic, also differs. All confirm, shorter scope is squad gun, longer scope DMR sniper gun.

Finally, you are wrong, I am right.


Bye bye friend.

lionel4power:


I'm not too good with firearms but I believe that is an H&K G3 .308 (7.62X51mm Designated Marksman Rifle (DMR).

It's not a machine gun

DMR is marksman sniper rifle, see mag clip size in the H&K DMR pic, typical small capacity mag for sniper low rate single shots.
Compare the Immigration mag, its heavy duty high capacity ammo mag typical for high rpm rate of fire.

Scope is not only on sniper marksmen rifles, any firearm can have a scope.

Hmmn friend, lets not confuse by LMG, MMG, GPMG, they differ.

There are assault rifles upgrade into light machine gun/squad automatic for squad automatic role, such rifles have factory uprated mechanism like rpm for LMG role, such effect necessitates adding not only bipod mount, but also higher capacity ammo mag, as you see with that Immigration Squad.

Unfortunately we cant ask the rifleman inside the NIS pic to confirm what he has. If he says its DMR, then you will be right, but if he says LMG, I will be right. All I can use now to say LMG is the heavy duty high capacity ammo mag clip.

Intersting 1st pic here, is this AK rifle or LMG light machine gun/squad automatic? 2nd pic is your H&K DMR.

Ricodine:


It's an old photo. Besides, they were drafted to JTF at the time, the reason they'd access to it.

Eh em em awa friendy, did the post say its today 2022 new photo?

How JTF? Look o in 2019, Nigeria Immigration Service launched new =N=145 million NIS FOB located in Daura specially to fight cross-border banditry, they own constitutional jurisdiction of border and cross-border ops more than any JTF, its JTF that came to meet NIS at home at borders and cross-borders, not that Nig Immigration was invited by JTF AFN component to come find new job at borders.

Immigration had LMG only at the time? What time? Mention date. See eh, roughly 18 months ago NIS began deployment of its own SOF trained immigration service special forces 2,000 men SF to specially fight Bandits across borders. NIS has a dedicated Combat Squad specially armed different from Regulars issued FAL, AKM, G3 etc.


Q 1. How old? Bikonu mention exact year of the photo sir. Pic is attached to 2015 event of Bandits invited to Nigeria start zanga zanga. Friend, is this old photo from our 1990 ECOMOG times?

Q 2. Access to it, NIS borrow JTF Army NA guns to do immigration work? So from whose armoury inventory was this LMG issued out?

Two easy questions for you to answer with small proof o, dear friend.

Hope weekend Sallah meat no run ya belle like my own cuz I over chop ram I dey message you from inside toilet nown

Dr. Obadiah Mailafia, an elder statesman from Kaduna State, also former Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN) deputy governor, says thousands of bandits armed with heavy machine guns and rocket propelled grenade launchers were brought into Nigeria in 2015 by powerful Northern people who wanted former President Goodluck Jonathan out of power.

In an interview with The Punch, on Thursday, Mailafia said those powerful individuals intended to deploy the bandits for war if Jonathan did not concede the 2015 presidential election.

When Jonathan conceded defeat to Buhari the bandits were no longer needed for the planned war, so they were abandoned.

To survive, these bandits started this nationwide robbing, raping, maiming, killing, looting, bombing, terrorizing, kidnapping of
innocent Nigerians.


https://www.thecable.ng/mailafia-bandits-brought-into-nigeria-by-people-who-wanted-jonathan-out-of-power

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Okay now, when the bandits bombed Kaduna train and kidnapped passengers, they told new media that Nigerians should go and ask President Buhari about their agreement, so that the public can understand the reason they are destroying Nigeria.

We don go buy poisonous cobra for market carry am go house o.

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Meanwhile as everywhere dey rough nown for Nigeria, our Immigration Service now uses bipod squad LMG o. This country don mess.

Dr. Obadiah Mailafia, an elder statesman from Kaduna State, also former Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN) deputy governor, says thousands of bandits armed with heavy machine guns and rocket propelled grenade launchers were brought into Nigeria in 2015 by powerful Northern people who wanted former President Goodluck Jonathan out of power.

In an interview with The Punch, on Thursday, Mailafia said those powerful individuals intended to deploy the bandits for war if Jonathan did not concede the 2015 presidential election.

When Jonathan conceded defeat to Buhari the bandits were no longer needed for the planned war, so they were abandoned.

To survive, these bandits started this nationwide robbing, raping, maiming, killing, looting, bombing, terrorizing, kidnapping of
innocent Nigerians.


https://www.thecable.ng/mailafia-bandits-brought-into-nigeria-by-people-who-wanted-jonathan-out-of-power

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Okay now, when the bandits bombed Kaduna train and kidnapped passengers, they told new media that Nigerians should go and ask President Buhari about their agreement, so that the public can understand the reason they are destroying Nigeria.

We don go buy poisonous cobra for market carry am go house o.

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Meanwhile as everywhere dey rough nown for Nigeria, our Immigration Service now uses GPMG o

bidexiii:
if not for US sanctions and their limitations, this is l attack helicopter is a deadly one

Mate, remember our Super Tucano is even more deadly with 20mm gun pods, same missiles, and even extra 250kg guided bombs this Viper copter doesn't have.

No real new advantage in more aircraft loaded with PGM, NAF owns dozens already. Aircraft will park when fuel finish but vehicles will stay on ground 24/7 always ready for operation. This is a land war not air or sea. Airpower is just a good force multiplier.

Its time for FG FEC to build a modern army and bridge weak NA capability gaps, or else na like dis we go dey dey till infinity aye ! Bandito Boko ISWP have no aircraft and still remain very deadly for 12 years.

EricBraven:

Buy anything you want,when troops get overwhelmed they will abandon their vehicle

Cheap illiterate comment with no value to readers. Better not to comment than write rubbish o

You fit go tell Algeria, Iraq, Egypt, Pakistan, Chad, Sri Lanka governments they all made wrong decision for buying hundreds or thousands of MRAP, APC, IFV for their Armies.

NAF too should have stopped buying combat aircraft because our jets and gunship helos were shot down

MAN1960ii:


I hope more JF 17 is coming

No.

For now no. We don't have open orders.

Money is going to many hundreds of troop and cargo transport vehicles approved some days ago by FEC FGN as largest military vehicles procurement in the history of Nigeria.

Am just afraid and hope its not same type of vehicles dry, no weapon, no night vision, and Bandits will be posing with it in photo few months after delivery. We don't know any names of vehicles in the plan.

cutievik:



Your morale is low and and your faith is almost lost. Take this to the telegram group and watch how it would be dissected bit by bit.

Just google "battlefieldgroup01" join the group and repost this..

When they are done, you would see small hope in the armed forces of Nigeria and the efforts in this particular case.

But that's not the type 85 fora start.

So very wrong mate.

For a start Type 85 was a typo, I called it Type 89 in the middle of my comment, but even I started with its exact name VP-1. Norinco Type 85, 86, 89, has many variants. You did not read that comment properly sha.

Telegram battlefieldgroup are humans so I dont ridicule people. Just that nine in ten of the guys are civilians who comment on war from internet cellphone, but I was a soldier in ECOMOG who fought real war.

Haba Bros or Aunty, morale ke? Which country you dey naa? Key national groups North to South and retired army generals are asking our President, NSA, AFN service chiefs to resign, reports say N100 million ransom was paid to Banditos to free that bank MD. We thank God sha Bandits did not kill your own child, but thousands of families bury loved ones in thousands this year with sorrow, you dey ask morale, haba!

Oooo jigbi jigbi jigbi !!

Shay no be one of dem brand new China VP-1 APC Type 89 dem foooliish MoD wasted Nigerian peoples scarce dollars to buy unarmed dry bone without weapon gun, no ammo, no night vision, no RCWS, that wind blow dust blinded eyes of Babajide Otitoju TVC journalist the day he rode in that dry bone tin can.

When FGN DHQ do wrong choice procurement and we complain, many people will be supporting bandwagon praise them, see just few months after delivery its ordinary ruffian Bandits of Kebbi-Kaduna that captured and destroyed brand new APC Type 89 behind ransomed Bank of Agric MD.

FG MoD should have chosen IFV variant with RCWS 30mm, 7.62mm coaxial, ATGM rail mount, and such powerful variant will not be easy meat for dirty stinking Bandit to use make photos on YouTube. We no get shame for dis country sha.

kikuyu1:


Dude its a start-a good one! If your formations adequately adapt to the new equipment expect good results. Eg,the choppers should be in army aviation for quicker response: in actual combat its difficult to get real time CAS if the gunships are with the AF. The FG must be upping their game and imo more AFVs and armed drones are inbound.

Yes o me too knows its a good one, I am only afraid FG spending $1 billion for aircraft that we already have similar role types plenty, like NAF 30 flying tank helicopters Mi-35 Hind variants M, P, and V with 300 guided missiles, 12 Tucanos with 400 guided rockets.

Why not add missing assets first before repeat of assets we have? Transfer to Nig Army Aviation temporary 6 combat Agusta helicopters & pintle machine guns armed 12 Agusta helicopters as 18 armed combat & troop transport dual role?

To free that $1 B for NA 800 MRAP IFV & 8,000 mini drones because we dont have these in our Army at all. Vipers 12 copters can come later. We all know we need to mixed balance capabilities.

Fed Govt Nig paid for NAF 12 Tucano, 12 Hind E, 12 Master, now 12 Viper:

Cash sum $3.5 billion for all those 48 light aircraft is too much. Instead, just 12 Tucanos, 12 Hinds are enough to add to our many other air fleets, numbers okay for a low-intensity land war.

Obsolete Nigerian Army is very dry having only 6 modern tanks, no infantry ATGM, almost no IFV, in a land war! Ahhh !

Coming new 12 Viper attack helicopters $1 billion can buy for sick dry NA new 800 armoured vehicles-drone carriers with 8,000 Drones mini loiter-munition guided missile-bomb armed UCAVs game changer modern multi-role MRAP APC ICV APV UCAV AFV ISR IFV equipped RCWS 20mm Automat cannons firepower, round the clock 24/7 long range vision day/night eyes on our lands, mixture of both tracked and wheeled troop carriers - defence patrol - attack vehicles.

We say procurement staff make wrong choices, people say its correct.

Obodo Naija has 774 local govts, so 800 vehicles cover all, add 8,000 drones, covers everywhere in Nigeria, power projection every corner.


All bloody bandits terrorists ransom robbers Jihad insurgents rapis t Benue militias Ombatse cults kidnappers herdsmen Boko Haram rebels cow rustlers ISWAP Caliphate will die or surrender or relocate up Sahara, fatally woundedded by 800 IFVs, hunted non-stop by 8,000 Kamikaze drones swarming like bees all over the skies of Nigeria.

BlackBaron:

Ethiopia is the most overhyped army. Almost got crushed by another conventional army until they panickly deployed a flotilla of drones.

Not only Ethiopia, our own Nigerian Army too is over-hyped, 12 year war yet worse insecurity. All armies of outdated generals with old 1940 WW II doctrine of plenty obsolete night blind MBT tanks & APCs will be disgraced by modern smart insurgents or semi-conventional tribal armies that dont have infrastructural army institutions of federal armies. Old armies of old fashioned generals that the modern world has left far behind in stone age.


Ethiopia's wrongly rated high having 3,000 T-55 Tank, BTR-60 APC, her few IFVs BMP-1 acquired 1977 with old low velocity 73mm slow gun are now rusty jalopy. Lack of modern IFV with multirole capabilities of MRAP, ISR long range day/night vision, RCWS 30mm rapid auto gun, vehicle mounted small armed UAV-drone, ATGM etc. Lacking those collapsed Ethiopian Army, but immediately armed UAV with ISR & ATGM like IFV were acquired Ethiopia began to win fast!

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Instead of NA buying 12 sophisticated attack helicopters @ $360 million, they should have first go for 250 modern multirole MRAP-IFV with long range 24/7 ISR, long range radio comms, day/night thermal vision RCWS 30mm auto cannon & 12.7mm coax HMG, equipped with small armed drones as UAV in various variants like kamikaze drone-loiter munitions, armed light machine guns, auto grenades, mini-missiles, mini-bombs, then a final offensive will bring us victory. Put helicopters second as item to buy after modern IFV.


Or else wrong decisions continue giving us wrong equipment bringing us wrong results.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA_gIgq_4Dk
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Whyem15:


The terrorists will take out the IFV-MRAP with IEDs or direct artillery fire, maybe a recoiless riffle too and the troops in the soft skins will be used for target practice.
While RCWS will confer a lot of advantages over the terrorists, protected mobility is more urgently needed in the frontlines. There is nothing the RCWS has to offer that the ST1s and the modern tanks already in the frontlines are not offering and even more. If the target is too small or too lightly amoured to be taken out by the turrets main gun, the coaxial 7.62mm or the RWS 12.7mm mounted on the roof of the turret will take care of it.

I will rather prefer a fighting column of MRAPs/APCs with one or two ST1 tank destroyers. In the event that the ST1 get destroyed, the column would still have a fighting chance. All that is needed is just to buy a few more ST1s and VT4s alongside the MRAPs/APCs we are buying in large quantities.
When the need for protected mobility has been satisfied, it will take little time and effort to upgrade the MRAPs and APCs and fix RWS on them. That is what optimization is and I believe that is what the military is currently doing.

The ST1 tank destroyers, VT4 tanks and the other systems are multiple purpose and can serve in different battle situations. It is only prudent that we go for multi-role platforms now before dedicated platforms especially as we are faced with limited resources. We just have to optimize.

Illiterate comments. How will terrorist take out RCWS IFV-MRAP with IED when IFV-MRAP resists 8kg TNT of IED? Direct artillery how many Mod 56 Howitzer does ISWAP BHT have, because you saw one in photo, do they have 100 artilleries? RCWS has 24/7 day-night vision, laser range, ballistic computer, 360° view all round battlefield, its TV screen sounds alerts if any human enters its scan zone 7km away, how far km range can human eye of terrorist slew Artillery in direct mode to take out RCWS vehicle that fires accurate 95% to 2km 4km range? It will fire scatter that ISWAP artillery vehicle into pieces.


Anybody debating you wastes time, people like you see proof and still insist on liking error, your type is reason 100,000 Nigerians died avoidable death. Shame we have such Nigerians who drive this nation into wreckage with selfish bad ideas. No be abuse no be insult na comment pls.

komekn:


Very funny , ignorance is bliss.

You may find this hard to believe but one of the requirements for the British Army for new recruits. Is a good skill set honed from playing military war games on PS4/5 and other platforms. Ha ha you must think that's very immature.


When we talk about RWS ,you also have semi remote with a turret and target acquisition software , stabilised and incorporated with night day high resolution cameras with thermal imaging converged with your laser range finder

Your RWS will be stabilized that means even when in motion on rough terrain your target software will make the correct compensation as well as does the TARGET TRACKING

If you use a static RWS then you will 95% of the time have HIGH LEVEL elevation giving you spatial awareness and clear unobstructed over sight vision of up to 10km depending on the system you have.

The idea that you will have obstruction because of shrubs , undulations in terrain and buildings particularly with FLIR incorporated in your system. Is honestly a nonsensical proposition without substance.

I'll try and find a few YouTube video clips ,as they say , a picture says a thousand words and I guess a video says a million.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxLkkgodLg4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJnM0bEUpd8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAvFkeBXeoc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry_mzmFkFTs

Wow !!!

These videos prove science & tech of RCWS making those talking against it ignoramus olodoses

Its exactly what Nigerian Army needs to end this war, one cheap 700k IFV-MRAP in each LGA to be leading patrols convoy five Landcruiser Buffalos is two platoons of motorized infantry of 3 vehicles each stationed as garrison permanent. This war ends finally. Only suicide vest madmens go remain for DSS & FCID.

See waste, NA mounted foolishly a $2,000 PKM 7.62mm on giant Typhoon MRAP of half a million dollars, compared to Mali putting RCWS 14.5mm KPV on Marauder MRAP.

No wonder all NA does is repel today same ISWAP attacks again tomorrow, endless circle. Use RCWS with explosive ammo and destroy ISWAP guntrucks beyond repair.

Alarming Breaking News :

Bandits kidnap 30 women in Zamfara, also kill 10 people

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Femi Adesina Presidency Media Spokesman says Buhari can still end insecurity in Nigeria in the remaining final 17 months to end of his last term, by killing leaders of insurgents, Buhari can do in his final 17 months what he failed to do in 7 years.



Thank you for your 8 year service to our choking nation Alhaji President Muhammadu 6 VT4 Tanks Buhari
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We all loved, supported, voted, hoped this Government of P M Buhari as retired Army General will end our insecurity agony but his GEJ version of clueless incompetence added ;

Bigger Fulani Killer Herdsmen in all states

North West HMG & RPG Bandits Kingdom with its Caliphate Capital in Niger State beside Abuja

Expressway AKM & PKM armed kidnappers for ransom

Nigeria to the data table of 5 most terrorized countries in the world joining Somalia, Afghanistan, Mali & Co.

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Ah ! Nigeria, very fine lands fine country but 19 out of 20 are bad people. It's few good people are not much intelligent or competent enough to develop this country, we are so unlucky.

A whole Major-General American Army Academy trained officer Buhari cannot work out security for Nigeria, who do we trust again?
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The technical n informative talks on RWS abi RCWS can also move to Telegram please, we need to enjoy such new ideas there so that soldiers on the field can create coded usernames and login to post on our new Telegram Forum.

To help those confused about RWS, see here facts to clear off wrong ideas.

**** RWS or RCWS is not new at all, came like 60 years ago. Began in Germany on Marda IFV in 1960. RWS is as old as Nigeria's independence. Lack of modern thinking made our dear Nigerian Army fail to acquire it since our outdated World War II manuals TRADOC dont have IFV in our army doctrine.






**** Among first Russian RWS was BMP-2 IFV turret made in 1975, used in Angola Bush War

**** RWS was made to equip IFV because APC can use manual 12.7 mm guns but IFV standard is 20 mm guns upward and cannot be effective with manual use, it will lack precision fire on moving enemy target, stabilization fire with its vehicle moving, long range night vision, safe operation by gunner under armour protection.

**** Intelligent White men made IFV because APC was not capable enough in protection and firepower, its war mumu thinking that IFV is not needed, NATO created it because its needed in war.

**** Manual gun turret is easy with 12.7 mm but hard to hand hold heavy recoil of 20mm, 25mm, 30mm cannons in a stable shoot.

**** The manual guns use human eye to target and is limited to 400 metres clear vision precision, but RWS uses optical sights to target up to 20 km depending on instrument range specs.

**** A human being manual gun has no night vision for combat in the night, smoke, dust, fog. A machine RCWS has infra red or thermal night vision to see through all those visual obstacles in combat.

**** Those two reasons give RWS some ISR capability that human eye manual gun operator will never have.

**** Cost; Since 60 years the price of RCWS has come down cheap. Western RWS like 5km range with 30mm gun with coaxial 7.62mm GPMG and 35mm grenade AGL, include all ammo supply all spare parts, made Romania or Poland, has dollar cost estimates 300k, China made is 200k, India made 100k.


Result of China RWS price is, those 300 empty vehicles, turn game changers, RWS 25 mm on tracked Type 85, RWS 14.5 mm on Dongfeng LATV, Bigfoot MRAP, but number drops to 200 as we cancel Legion MRAP, halve Dongfeng. We then have 200 powerful protected mobility able to fight day-night 24/7, to kill not repel, to degrade not contain enemies messing NA for dozen years unstoppable.

Either Fed Min of Defense Perm Secs, DHQ brass hats no get common sense or just wan chop our dollar every year, I no sabi which one.

We want NA to eliminate hundreds of killer gun trucks running all over us now, give our dying loyal troops RWS + protected mobility.

Move this hot topic to Telegram.

Whyem15:


There are some people that just never see anything good with what anyone is doing, it's not as if they are bitter, it is just who they are, they consistently look for what to criticize in everything. Once you identify people like that, you won't really have any issue with them.

There are Nigerians who are better with solutions than those buying us hundreds of unarmed vehicles that are night blind in combat without night vision in an asymmetric war where ISR is key to victory. Those Nigerians are bold enough to continue criticizing Nigerian decision makers until they do the right thing, and those Nigerians will be honest enough to start praising them once our leaders get it right.
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There are also Nigerians who are mediocres and our elite decision makers are very happy those people cannot think their way out of an 11 year old war of insecurity that started in Borno and has spread to all 36 states under the watch of Nigerian billionaire Government officials, politicians.

Please don't change o, they like you as you are, it guarantees their control over you Bros

Odunayaw:
This pull-it-down-syndrome as expected

Call it pull down whatever if you wish, but only a joker will celebrate 100 Dongfeng unarmed vehicles as solution to this endless war and PKM + RPG Tuaregs on Lagos-Ibadan Expressway that in 1980s Nigerians travel midnight without fear of killers. Its senseless to roll out drums and dance every 6 months that 100 vehicles are procured by FGN.

If FGN takes delivery of 1,000 LandCruiser with KPV 14.5mm & 1,000 VN22 IFV & 1,000 ZBD-03 & 1,000 REVA MKIII then we all know dis war will end in 6 months with saturation of security presence in all our 774 LGA. That is the one and ONLY way to secure a Nigeria that has unprotected porous borders open to poverty hungry bloodthirsty machine gun and rocket grenade armed fearless killers.

Shout those 4,000 vehicles are expensive billions of dollars, but what is the life of 200 million Nigerians worth? If we are Europeans with smart brain of White men will we celebrate 100 Dongfengs unarmed, as if we got 1,000 Boxer IFVs ?

We don't need to dance for every ineffective procurement, we need to dance for what will make us Nigerians able to travel from Lagos tru Kaduna to Maiduguri in 16 hours without armed escort and arrive home alive without fear in the 1990s.

Maybe you are too young to know the safe Nigeria we know, your generation grew up to know Niger Delta Militants, Boko Haram, and killer Fulani Herdsmen plus Bandit with RPG

We as Nigerians quickly forget our past.

Any goddam new procurement of vehicles, we celebrate blindly without careful deep thinking.

So we celebrated 43 T-72 tanks 7 years ago but today 7 years after celebration, Nigeria's insecurity is worse.

All these unarmed light armoured vehicles without guns long range night vision sensors, will be fitted with same old DShK or W85 that has failed to give security to all 36 states and FCT.

320 unarmed STANAG 1 & STANAG 2 vehicles are not war winners. You may keep celebrating like this for another 20 years. They turn you to their drummer boy dancers while big men get rich from each procurement

All these 100 Dongfeng, 100 Bigfoot, 60 Legion, 60 Type 89 tracked are simply replacements for heavy attrition losses Nigerian Army is suffering for Steyr APC tracked, MTLB tracked, MRAPs of Bigfoot, Caiman, REVA, etc destroyed by IED, RPG, DShK, etc. You need to visit Nigerian Army scrap vehicle bone yard or Zamfara to Borno terrain graveyard of destroyed NA armoured vehicles to see how many vehicles we have lost to enemy action.

Tuareg & Tebu Mali Bandits, Kanuri Boko Haram, Sahel & Sahara ISWAP, Senegal & Nigér Fulani Bandits have already done infantry tactical flanking maneuver turn corner sidetrack & bypass Nigerian Army containment barrier troop battalions to invade reach Kaduna, Benue, Niger, Abuja, down to Lagos-Ibadan Expressway, they now have access to all our 36 states & FCT.

Like ISOTREX Phantom and KIA KLTV failed, so Dongfeng with DShK will NOT save us in our 923,000 km² land mass giant size, we need new armoured vehicles in several thousands spread across all 774 local government areas to trully end insecurity nationwide.

This is just - 320 + 320 = 0 Progress

iblawi:
I don't know why you guys are arguing over this matter.

NA said they bought 60 APC but people here want to turn them to IFVs.

Do you guys think Nigerian Army can't differentiate the role both will play in battle field?

Do you even know if there are plans for IFVs that will have more than your expectations?

MRAPs are also APCs. Now we are just talking about track APCs and regular wheels. Each have their own pros and cons.

Hmmmn, we all human, all we Nigerians can't sleep well, even South is not safe too, Oyo township was attacked by Northern bandits days ago! Months ago a church wedding party convoy was attacked on Lagos Ibadan Expressway, members dragged into forest by men armed with PKM GPMG and RPG, jollof ofada moi moi egusi soup pomo turkey splash on the roads full ground in that chaos. So how safe are you and all your loved ones dear reader?

Gentlemen, Nigerian Army repeats for 12 years same old strategy, very few tanks mixed very many APC, MRAP, Toyota for infantry maneuver element since 2010 to 2021, till insecurity spreads to almost all 36 states now.

Cheap 800k modern IFV like Cameroon's Type-07P or Chad's BMP-2, is the only thing FGN & NA has not yet tested since 12 years bloodshed in a land domain war of motorized guerillas, why?

Last time one of Cameroon's Type-07P IFV 8x8 wheeler rolled with BBC embed reporter, Boko Haram refused to touch them like 400 km travel, fearing 30mm RCWS day-night vision long range full stabilized explosive ammo fire because of when one of our Nigerian Army Steyr APC captured by BHT attacked Cameroons Recce Bat boys in Type-07P, the Steyr APC with frontal armour resistant to 20mm shells was totally demolished by that Cameroon Type-07P IFV, I was happy it was not us Nigeria vs Cameroon firefight that day, IFV for disgrace Giant of Africa's weak infantry mechanization.

Make FGN no wise up buy proper IFV, na una sabi.

Since then if Boko Harams see IFV 30mm they just pick race run commot.

So peoples Only fools repeat the same thing, expecting different result.” - George Bernard Shaw

Learning lesson by force on right ways to wage war on guerilla insurgency CT-COIN - After using Nigeria's same army equip Vickers & T-72, AML90, CS/VP MRAP, now Kenya learns lesson, decides to buy wheeled IFV with 30mm cannon, considers Arma 8x8 IFV etc.

https://www.dailysabah.com/business/defense/kenya-considering-purchase-of-turkish-armored-vehicles

After Kenyan Army see dozen MD-530F light combat helicopter is very useful vs insurgents, but only by mighty legs on land like IFV can Kenya win them war as a whole VS Al Shabbab not just win small battles here and there day after day like forever no end. Flood the whole war theatre top to bottom east west north south flood all spaces with modern IFV of MRAP capability joined to amphibious IFV hi-tech ISR and rapid fire medium calibre long range cannons (Arma IFV has option variant of combo fortification blasting 100m gun + 30mm Toyota guntruck killer) on vehicles moving many soldiers at speed around everywhere enemy shows face, that dominating the land territory completely with overwhelming motorized/mechanized force swarming like termites and bees is how to win insurgency war today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5ctCqRavoU

Nigerian Air Force to buy 24 planes signs contract of first 12 x M-346 FA for Air Fighter-Surface Attack jet variant of Aermacchi new further development of the already advanced M-346FT LIFT acquired by Israeli Air Force. Egypt too buying Master.

The FA with combined AJT + FA version beats its alternative twin Yak-130 with FA extra capabilities added on by Leonardo
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NAF chosen FA variant is an extremely effective multirole variant with combined dozen capabilities of -

Air to air guided missile combat WVR
Tanker air refuelled deep surface strike
3 tonne payload ground attack
Close air support for ground troops with stand-off range PGM
Maritime sea strike
Homeland security & air policing
Deliberate slow pace for loiter time CT-COIN ops
Urban surgical strikes
Support missions for complex personnel recovery of shot down pilots and combat search & rescue operations
Tactical reconnaissance
Electronic warfare jamming missions
Aggressor & companion trainer
Highly advanced jet trainer AJT-LIFT

So with all the above done by this one aircraft, it makes FA variant of Master too good for NAF to ignore.

https://www.leonardocompany.com/en/news-and-stories-detail/-/detail/focus-aermacchi-m346fa-multirole
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NAF will likely take delivery of some Masters this year 2021 from contract signed for 12 now with open order next 12 later, as MoD & NAF-HQ says these 24 x M-346FA was chosen to replace exactly the 24 Alpha Jets fleet now depleted.
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FGN needs to modernize NA like NAF, NiG needs fully equipped Army powerful enough to give us land security

Omo this plane take style resemble Alpha Jet for face sha

lionel4power:
My two cents on the IFV matter.

From the little I understand, acquiring any type of IFV in large or small numbers may or may not alter the direction of the conflict if this dynamics is not addressed.

It is not just about buying weapon A, Asset B, or platform C if they are not integrated with the overall stated defence architecture.

What do I mean by this? What place does an IFV have in the NA's Order of Battle? What would it's role be? How does it interact with other systems in is inventory?

This is year 2021, armies buy systems and not just weapons.

Even if the NA buys 1000 IFVs, if there's no clear mission for it, or proper support framework it will fail.

For instance, Boko Haram and ISWAP doesn't operate MBTs, yet the NA have hundreds of MBTs, what is the impact of those MBTs on the battlefield? It will be difficult to access it's impact because they may not be part of an overall defense architecture.

What I'm saying in essence is that modern armies don't view individual weapons as a standalone asset but as a system of systems. A component in the overall system of war.

For instance, the United States military views each platform as a "sensor and shooter" under it's novel distributed lethality concept.

What this means is that every single item in it's inventory can detect enemy disposition, and it or another item can project sufficient firepower to destroy the said enemy during a time of war. For example, a transport aircraft detects ISWAP movement, and relay the information to an artillery or even an MBT to expedite the terror threat.

I wrote about this comprehensively in 2019 for Divergent Options you can Google it. I even wrote how Nigeria can emulate such.

Basically, every individual platform is part of a network and information is relayed to each platform instantaneously using robust and encrypted datalinks.

In today's warfare, just buying disparate platforms may not guarantee that you'll win. The Nigerian Army has 1000x more weapons than ISWAP yet the war hasn't end.

Until the concept of modern warfare is understood, victory may be hard.

Country people I hail una. Imaginary view of war differs from combat reality view. Those who tasted Liberia and Borno conflicts tell us IFV is the magic weapon that Nigerian Army has never used to try defeat insecurity nationwide.
So, am sorry mate, your logic written up there about NA & IFV is technically very wrong.

You said NA needs systems not just one weapon like IFV, thats wrong because modern IFV is an integrated system of several components:

(1) ISR equipt tru RCWS EOS - Electro-Optical sensors with 5 to 15km range of day/night battlefield thermal TV cameras intel surveillance recce makes IFV perform Non-Kinetic tasks of UAV Drone, binoculars, aircraft FLIR, ground radars

(2) Guns & Missiles tru RCWS stabilized Autocannon with long range heavy rapid fire, GPMG, AGL, ATGM makes IFV perform Kinetic tasks strike role of AFV, UCAV Drone, light Tanks, light artillery.

(3) Cabin seats, Hull & Belly Armour - IFV performs roles of cargo and troop transport tasks of APC, ICV, LATV, MRAP

(4) Various types of weapons as system integration fires - makes IFV performs role of surface strike anti-personnel, anti-material, anti-tank, anti-aircraft, anti-munition, anti-structure all multiroles in one

(5) C3 Equipt for Command, Control, Communication - VHF/UHF radios, digital comms, data-link, SatCom, battle management console visual display, makes IFV perform long range C3 roles

All these and more, make modern IFV like Boxer, BMP-3, VN-1C, the magic platform of any effective army.
Attack, defence, mobility, surveillance, communication network, patrol, command/control, tactical deterrent, force/power projection, peace enforcement, CT-COIN, conventional conflict, are all done with IFV fleet in Army ORBAT & TOE.

Army without full IFV fleet is suffering what is called land power operational capability gap, and Nigeria is dying because of it.
No other single platform can replace IFV.

IFV is not just a single weapon unit, it is a platform of many weapons integrated, so IFV is a system.
Nigerian Army needs a system and IFV is that missing system.

IFV is best solution to kill all enemy gun trucks damaging Nigeria killing our army, police, and civilians
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IFV proven roles effect in terrorism - insurgency history:

Many times when USA-NATO soldiers are being overrun by Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS, and no air support available, they call in IFV - Stryker or Warrior to save those troops, and Taliban dies or runs away.
Records say once Rosomak IFV appears, Taliban fighters disappear.
Bradley IFV practically killed Iraq in ground battles of the first Gulf war.
BMP IFV and MTLB 23mm IFV did very well against ISIS in Iraq.
LAV-III IFV tormented Taliban hiding on high mountains in Afghanistan, with insurgents killed where they are safe from other NATO weapons.


You also said shebi we have 1,000s equipment in NA now and all those have not made our Army succeed. Ah mate, such ignorant statements is what is killing us today, does our 1,000 weapons include Norinco Type-08 IFV, ISR assets with FLIR & SATCOM, Command Post C4, BMP-3 IFV ? Answer is big No !

99% of those your NA 1,000 weapons are old obsolete, worn out, rusted, breaking down, night blind without night vision thermals, no stabilized guns, no guided munitions, no long range ISTAR, no rapid fire medium calibre Autocannon, and almost no IFV among them, the very right type of weapons we need for our type of war is the very one we don't have among those your 1,000 weapons in NA.

If we follow what you wrote up there Nigerian people will continue to die like chickens inside this insecurity
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Not most of our engagements are during patrols, just some. Many times BH & ISW hav overrun our based at FOBs, checkpoints, Super Camps, NAF base, Navy base Lake Chad, NN garrison on Chad Islands, NA town garrisons, etc. Our contacts with enemy happens everywhere.

To say IFV is not for patrol is wrong, tactical operational deployment & employment role of IFV especially wheeled type includes ops where one IFV leads patrol convoy as vanguard/escort to five weaker Humvees or Toyota gun trucks on patrol missions.

It's called mechanized element of motorized infantry formations.
Only IFV has all-round capabilities needed to end insecurity nationwide, we just let equipment manufacturer train our crew properly to master their IFV and the new Zaria NA Infantry training center train them on effective field use of IFV, our men will now gain overwhelming force to defeat insecurity.

FGN has tested all other asset is except IFV, lets give this magic asset a try with VN-1C variants in large numbers, let wheeled IFV answer distress call in every LGA and lets see which Boko Bandit ISIS-WA Kidnappers Robbers Herdsmen can remain alive after fighting vs modern IFV like Bumerang or cheaper VN-1C of $1.2 million price per one.

Lets stop all these novice talk of this war is not all about weapons, we already have 1000 weapons, weapons alone is nothing without training, morale is down no weapons can boost it, no new weapon can change situation, unless we address all the other non-kinetic problems affecting insecurity;

Who does not know all these? Are these new thinking? Look my people we all know all these, so lets stop stories and do the right thing by filling the dangerous capability gaps that has weakened Nigerian Army for decades!

There are global standards for structuring a modern, balanced, combat-effective, war winning Army that will overcome guerilla insurgents or state-actor conventional adversaries.

DefSec technologists and tacticians invented and created IFV for a specific reason, if its not needed, it will not remain a most vital asset in all modern armies since 1960s.

Some European, American Armies, USA Marines, are eliminating tanks, replacing MBT with multirole IFV to show us importance of IFV is today's defence security architecture.

Do all needful non-kinetic, religious, economic, orientation, social solutions to Nigeria's insecurity and also do needful tech equipt capability gap solution.

Across city street asphalt roads, Sahel semi-desert, Sahara sands, Savannah grassland, amphibious River Niger-Benue, River Yobe, Lake Chad waters, far remote borders, in all weather rain storm, sand storm, its IFV that can cover the whole of Nigeria and hold ground like garrison, defend small or big bases, secure cities, villages, etc. IFV is the magic system NA needs, with proper training & tactics we will secure the whole Nigeria with a cheap platform always available 24/7 with firepower that Boko ISW Bandit Herdsmen cannot survive.


Anyone who does not understand role and place of IFV in Nigeria's old outdated 1945 WW-II doctrine Army, he does not understand modern 2020 AD warfare in the land domain.

Lets not mislead with wrong thinking that has no technical foundations of how 21st century Armies that are balanced and effective, are structured according to universal military standards.

My few words on IFV & NA, country people I thank una for your contributions, everybody.

All of you dey correct o, IFV is best equipment for Nigerian Army to end insecurity bloodshed nationwide, because NA cannot defeat gun truck enemies with own gun trucks, this war will never end with equal power on both sides. Modern 6x6WD IFV also have some landmine protection like MRAP to fit both roles, becomes MRAP-IFV combination 2 in 1 platform, 30mm autocannon + 7.62mm GPMG + ATGM + hull body resist 14.5mm + underbelly resist 8 kg TNT + some variants amphibious to swim.

Notice NA bought Chinese VT-4 heavy tank but added ST-1 8x8 light tank instead of its VN-1 8x8 IFV like Thailand did (VN-1C 8x8 IFV photos shown here). Norinco VN-1C IFV is only around $1.3 m each. Lack of IFV is the main weakness of Nigerian Army.

Nigerian Army may not likely buy IFV because its not yet included in our ORBAT & doctrine, NA still used 1940s WW II doctrine inherited pre-independence British war doctrine of tanks lead attack with foot infantry walking behind light tank or heavy tank as cover, thats how we fought before, during, and after ECOMOG, same old outdated doctrine that no army general is serious enough to update, NA generals just dey enjoy their =N= 12 million per year salary that most Nigerians don't know they get paid so much.

ugo4u:


The Afghan Army didn't crumble like a pack of cards because of poor infantry equipments with what we saw and the latest development the truth is that they didn't even put up resistance because prolly their loyalty truly lies with the Talibans, they were only bidding US time to leave before officially turning themselves and equipments to the Talibans, in other words US trained unofficial Talibans for 20yrs who finally handed over to the official Talibans when the US left, the Americans knew this from the onset that's why they didn't even trust the Afghan army; else how can one explain how a bunch of Turban/Sandals and Kaftan wearing Mujahideens numbering about 60,000 overrun an army with over 300,000 men fully kitted and equipped with American hardwares. Even if America handover their entire infantry hardwares the Afghan army will hand it over, the Afghan issue is a bit complex the Russians and Chinese aren't evacuating their respective embassies because they're ready to accept the Talibans as a political force/movement. Only Afghans can rescue Afghanistan for now most of them are okay with the status quo and if it's what they truly want that's fine. It's a complete waste of time and money fighting for a cause (Democracy) most of them don't believe in; what the world powers should do now is to recognise Taliban as a force in that country then find a way to make them respect human rights especially for women etc Not all countries will buy into Western style democracy, we have to come to terms with that even some European countries aren't fully democratic as some still run a modified form of monarchy, if Afghans truly want a theocratic state the world should let them run their affairs.

Dear friend, you may sound right on surface but deep facts from US Pentagon n Presidency, Afghan cities n media all say no.


Afghanistan is divided in two by ideology. True many rural Afghans support Taliban, but true most urban Afghans don't want Taliban. Kabul, Mazar, Kandahar, etc are full of pop music players, internet users, fashion shops, etc the millions of Afghans tasting loving n dont want to lose sweet life American freedom. See them run to airport !

US Pres. Biden boasts he gave Afghans powerful Air Force MD copters, Tucanos, guided bombs, but US Pentagon confirms Afghan Army 300k reduced in reality to 150k men, deserters flee weak ANArmy. No USA talk of Abrams tanks n Stryker IFV gift from America that gave Afghan Army useless Humvee to fight 75,000 Taliban experts with RPG, 50 Cal, KPV, ZSU 23 gun trucks.

Fact news reports August 1 to 15: Every Afghan Humvee troops that fought hard lost combat to Taliban, no MBT n IFV Mechanized Brigades that US Army used to crush Talibans to go hide. US SEAL trained brave ANA Special Forces were slaughtered in battle, so regulars flee to avoid suicide, melted away in thousands.

Quote US House of Reps Jake Auchincloss: "I commanded US & ANA Infantry. I fought beside well trained capable Afghan troops years ago. We built them world class air force and a bad army now suffering bullets shortage fighting Taliban. Afghan troops would have fought for their land they love if we built them a world class army."

America never accepts blame for its mistake, always find fault to blame another country

Humvee SF wiped out, 4WD Truck Army pick race, President jump fence cross border. Super Air Force + Junk Army = New Caliphate

Hmmm.

We cannot blame those who always warn that in waging CTCOIN war, any country - including Nigeria - buying plenty of combat aircraft without very modern infantry fighting vehicles and tanks to give its army strong legs on the ground, such country will lose all its fancy air force aircraft to illiterate long bearded insurgents when Jihadis overrun its air force base and airports.

Army has to be strong on ground with many motorized - mechanized - direct fires 20mm, 23mm, 30mm cannon vehicles plus some VT-5 light tanks, Sabrah Light tanks, so on.

Failing to build solid army, the Humvee Afghanistan National Army was crippled like a palm wine tapper fallen from palm tree landed on his backbone.

Dirty unshaven fanatics now own Black Hawk copters, Mi-35 Hind, and Super Tucano that NAF celebrated with jollof mix ofada rice party on top cold beer.

Biko nu Nigerian Army, strengthen your infantry legs on ground with capable IFVs and dont do us Afghan style, abeg in the name of God.

jpphilips:


Go and read part 3 section 7 of your armed forces act 2004 as ammended & learn about your CDS then delete this crap you wrote.

Mate, you totally misinterpreted section 7 of the Armed Forces Act 2004.

Haba, try good habit, if you dont understand something, ask, instead of bad habit, attack writer and hope he defends himself by explaining what you wish to understand

I have full copy and read long ago, the Armed Forces Act Chapter A20 Laws of the Federation of Nigeria 2004.

We reviewed complex sections of interest with fellows in defence sector and constitutional lawyers.

You failed to make any interpretation mate, you only made a noise that nobody benefited from.

Now to help you interpret what you find confusing on CDS role in Nigeria's DHQ.

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You misinterpreted legal provisions of Part III sect. 7 sub-sect 1, 2 & 3. It says:

"Chief of Defence Staff shall, subject to general direction of the President and National Assembly, be vested with day to-day command and general superintendence of the Armed Forces.

Not withstanding, the President may make regulations as to the Service Chief in whom command over the respective service is vested;

Those regulations made under this section may provide for the duties, functions and powers of the Chief of Defence Staff and Service Chiefs.
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Nigerian constitution boldly says duties functions powers of CDS are subject to directions of the President and regulated by the President, meaning he no longer has any role that the President takes away and prefers to give that role to others as in COAS CAS CNS to perform.
This is where you did not understand, causing your mistake.

Also this is how practically and traditionally all Nigerian Presidents subject and regulate CDS role into administrative + operational as I said, while field command of combat regiments, even procurement of equipment are always given to COAS CAS CNS, because constitution allows it to be done so by the boss of the CDS, Mr. President.

Next time when you read laws, try read complete sections, sub-sections and clauses that interpret each provision so that you avoid this type of legal mistake + misunderstanding.

Enjoy your evening mate.

Guys welldone to you all, its good you all spoke your mind.

I don't want to be biased with my views.

I wish to say these anyway:

CDS is administrative DHQ role in Nigerian constitution, although he is not ceremonial, he is operational, but he has no direct field command of fighting regiments, he coordinates top brass in joint tri-service matters. So I won't say much, of DHQ tri-service head, because the blame for each force is with it's force chief of staff.

For those wanting Irahbor or Adeosun for Army Chief, remember that President Buhari speaks, hears, understands, even dreams better in local Hausa language, he needs a native Hausa speaker for that very important role so he can have perfect communication and heart to heart trust & faith.


1. Outgoing CNS tried, he fought maritime piracy with available sea vessels and few air assets. He ensured much peace in Niger Delta in his term.

His request for long range & high endurance helicopters and MALE UAV squadrons were not fully funded by FG, he got only few platforms not the squadrons he wanted.

He demanded return of navy to green water military maritime combat force above brown water coast guard current navy status.

He diligently sat down, wrote, submitted, and publicly published in newspapers a complete navy modernization plan given to FGN including China made guided missile fast attack craft, guided missile multirole frigates, diesel attack submarines.

All his demands were refused by FG. He worked with the little he had.

He did well by improving local naval ship building industry and maintenance dockyard.


2. Outgoing CAS was fantastic for NAF, but also lucky he got billions of dollars from FGN for new aircraft, while navy chief was denied.

Presidency needed new air power to fight N.E. war and spreading insecurity nationwide.

Yet he deserves credit for his wise spending because another person could get same big funds and spend it foolishly.

He also did well increasing local production of some basic fleet needs by AFIT and ensured very good aircraft maintenance depot works for fleet platforms availability.


3. Outgoing COAS initially started well with the Army boosting troops fighting morale and operational discipline on the frontlines.

He did well with local manufacturing as in defunct NAVMC making armoured vehicles, especially Ezugwu MRAP and Presidency quickly took it over before Army can mess it up like Igirigi APC, by giving all to DICON ownership.

He made wrong claims that Ezugwu is 80% local input, when we import vehicle chassis, engine, transmission, battery, tyres, steel for body, glass, TV camera, PTZ night vision, DShk HMG and ammo. So what did he falsely announce as 80% local content? He exaggerated to make himself look like doing miracles.

As COAS he wrongly declared technical defeat of BHT that only retreated from Sambisa to other hide-outs including cross border.

He misjudged retreat for defeat due to lack of quality military thinking.

He was comfortable in 2015 with cold war era Army tanks for our struggling armoured corps soldiers crying tears from Metele to Baga begging him for modern AFV but he turned blind eyes to it until when calls came for his sack, he rushed to buy a few dozen VT4 & ST1 in 2019.

First awoof $200 million FG gave him to boost army when PMB became President was enough to join with capital budget allocation to acquire 100 new VT4 MBT in 2016 and revive the dying NA armoured corps to make sure ISWAP dies quickly and BHT never regroups to give us double trouble.

He failed to give Nigerian Army the desperately needed capability gap solution with a proper IFV fleet for mechanized regiments.

He failed to modernize NA, a few dozen VT4, ST1, SH5 in 2019 is not army modernization for a large army of 200 battalions.

He could not sit down diligently to draft a full equipment modernization plan corps-wide, a most important thing Nigerian Army needs since 1990.

He got billions of dollars like NAF and spent foolishly with halfway equipping of only infantry corps, he abandoned all other corps until the few VT4 SH5 ST1 procurement of just $150 million.

How he spent army's billions of dollars funds, nobody can explain.

He also failed to draw a complete training & doctrine modernization plan, he left TRADOC decayed with WW II outdated course material syllabus in army corps schools, something NA needs since 1960s. Reason NA remains poorly trained with half-illiterate NCO cadre, privates lack smart fieldcraft, officers get overrun in bases, generals get outflanked in battlefields.

He failed to build a Nigerian Army that is detterrent to enemies, even Chad remained the preferred saviour in West & Central Africa. He could not draw strategic plans for a wide gap like NAF CAS did with Chad. The COAS allowed Chad's Army remain close rival to Nigerian Army.

Many Nigerian communities in North East prefer to be protected by Chadian soldiers than our own family Nigerian troops. Shameful status he permitted.

He allowed ISWAP grow more powerful than BHT. He had no solution to illiterate ISWAP warfare with his Master of Philosophy Degree near PhD education.

He ran out of all ideas to end our painful 10 years suffering North East insurgency and was calling for Spiritual Warfare to end this war, he made his Bangladesh Army Institution training show as one of his main weaknesses. He retreated NA into Super Camps and lied to the whole nation that it was a new winning strategy to end the insurgency, when actually it means forever endless war.

He naturally lacks dynamic creative problem solving ability and ingenuity.

He may be better than those before him, he may be doing Police work with Army duties nationwide, but he was ready to keep doing push me I push you with Borno Insurgents for the next 30 years while war destroyed our local economy and national economy.

He failed to sit down, draft a comprehensive war plan to defeat Jihadi Insurgency, and a comprehensive defense plan for the weak NE & NW axis of Nigeria from Kebbi to Adamawa borderline to give Nigeria a strong bulwark against regular invasion by bandits, killer herdsmen, jihadi terrorists.

In 2016 Buratai announced the technical defeat of Boko Haram.

In 2021 Boko Haram announced the technical defeat of Buratai with his 'forced' resignation from Chief of Army Staff position by popular demand of frustrated Nigerians.

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nemesis8u:


This is my last post

U claimed this in ur post

" Its about science & tech, once you increase armour weight the speed reduces proportionately"

It was my main point of contention , the very science & tech u invoked has advanced so much that use of speciality steels and composites allows one to increase protection without a corresponding increase in weight thereby preserving desired mobility.

"If they double Casspir IED spec, they have compromised another spec to gain that one."

This claim of urs I disputed because you r ignorant about the use of speciality steel and composites which allows one to increase protection without compromising weight and mobility specs

" Ah !!! It's me that first mentioned composite armour not you o nemesis !!! "

That's an out right lie u explicitly mentioned ceramic armour not composite armour ( which I mentioned first ) . Here is proof below which u wrote in reply to youghs

" Option of ceramics armour to save weight, means you increase cost price 3 times so 400k MRAP becomes $1.2 million, then too expensive to repair that vehicle is written off and lost out of inventory after only one IED blast. "

Now you posted this in reply to me

" I said only alternatives like ceramics (used in composite mix) "

Composite armour is a mix of various materials which may or may not use ceramics . Therefore Composite armour ( even if it uses ceramics ) is different and ceramic armour is different . 2 entirely different armouring material.

A person who is in the technical know , will never indulge in play of words and obscuration . He will be a man of few words sticking to technicalities only.

I have no reasons to be angry lol , I am only taken aback at the level of straw man arguments and selective bias which is down right tragic .


The only thing that was in bad taste for me was how u kept bringing up pride and references to such . Pride is is best left to individuals who actually achieve things which r a matter of pride for them . appreciating is another matter. I am here for my own pleasure not to exibit any pride.

This is my last post too I hope my brother.

It's unfortunate that you think I mentioned ceramics but I dont know the meaning of composites which is just a general term used to define all types of - non metal only - armour alternatives like the ceramics I mentioned.

So disappointing that you are not smart enough to know that since I know ceramics, the market price, the met & mat use, the technical disadvantages, the armouring benefits, then at such level I know that ceramics is just one of many types of various composite material options..

Word ceramics as I used it, is how we abbreviate longer full term - ceramic composite armour - please correct your ignorance dear nemesis.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1359836815005119

I plan current factory introduction of composite armour mix with Nigerian MRAP manufacturers, it's not pride, it's being happy to improve Nigerian Def Sec industry. We are Africans but don't assume we are ignorant and only Indians know composite usage ; DICON makes ballistic vests using Aramid Composite - we are coming up with ceramic composites and carbon fibre composites for vehicles kinetic threat armouring.