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MarieSucre:
Wow. That is a long leap you took. So every time you see the naked body of your girlfriend you think of excreta. When you're having sex, does it make you feel like you're pissng inside her?

The comparison is not the same. At all!

My point in using that example, is show causation. Here another example.

All Africans are on their own and happy, then next thing you know European sheep's land on our shores and start taking our country people as slaves, raping women and stealing our resources.

How exactly is this our fault?
Are they right to do that?
So you support what they did?

Now change that to rape. Because technically Europe raped Africa.

actually if you look at that objectively, the slave trade wasn't a big deal. We deserved it because we refused to grow. Marie perpetrators will always exist. Its a constant. It can never change no matter the laws and policing. Get this fact and we will have a solid ground to discuss. Nature itself is a dog eat dog world. Same applies to human kind. How do you prevent urself as an individu from falling a victim to these evils

MarieSucre:
There would be not victims without perpetrators.

Its like saying Badoo likes to rape women, he even goes as far as breaking into houses to rape women. Lets kill all the women!!!

Who knows maybe he also likes to rape men!

the badoo case is differnt. Its a violent crime. This is why I said cases should be judged on their merit. And stop with the man rape, asshole refernce its disturbing. Thanks

MarieSucre:
Okay let me understand you better. Like how all the people who are presently being killed at war in Iraq and Syria, it's their fault that there are some men who use religions as a cover it kill, behead and bomb people.

Maybe if they the victims just left vicinity, those men would suddenly become born again and stop killing people. Till then, it's their fault they're killed.

I understand.

if they left the vicinity, they won't fall victim to the hands of the fighters. They will be alive. So its not unwise to leave. Mariesucre you are an idealist. And I am not. We will never agree it appears

MarieSucre:
Well. It seems that solution sounds horrible. To you. I guess it's better we lock all humans in a cage a. And I mean ALL humans. So no going to school or work or whatever. Just live in this concrete cage. If you come out and a snake bites you. Its all your fault.

you are still getting it all wrong, the snakes and the humans must be condiered subjects of any change study. One can't be called a perpertator and others a victim. Every has a role to play. Rapists should face justice, victims should avoid occasions of vulnerabilty. Simple and short

MarieSucre:
So you think the situation would not have been much more worse without these laws binding the system? We are closer to a nuclear war today because;
1)Uranium enrichment is purely a 20th century. The world couldn't have possibly being on the brink of a nuclear war in the 17th century.
2)Since it's enrichment. About more than a dozen countries are suspected to have access to nuclear heads. Most of them are not allies or friendly nations.

Sure, so we should stop catching rapists!

the fact that the laws have reduced the vices and haven't yet eliminated them despite the world's focus on the perpertrators, it apppears imperative that we must face the victims too to ensure a complete elimination.

MarieSucre:
Cause and effect here. or Causation is more we are naked and happy here till one man thinks that enough reason to force himself sexually on a girl Before then no one would care. So he is the CAUSE.

listen to ur arguement. We are naked and happy. I hope when u wanna stool, you do that in public. I doubt that because its offensive to others. Why don't u consider what ur unclothedness might do to others. All that matters by ur arguement is you are naked and happy. Smh

MarieSucre:
So your point is..
"SNAKES BITE PEOPLE BUT LET US LOCK UP PEOPLE IN CAGES SO THAT SNAKE DON'T BITE THEM"
Does that stop the snake. No!

"SNAKES JUST GOES OFF TO BITE ANOTHER ANIMAL"
Nice solution. clap for yourself.

ok so urs is that, let's kill the particular snake in question, and hang his deadbody in the bush as a wraning to other snakes, also we should throw flyers and do seminars for all snakes in the bush, and then tell eveyone to go to the bush at night without light or slippers. They can even see a snake and walk all over it since we have told them not to bite ? Is that ur solution ?

MarieSucre:
"This still points to my earlier assertions that we can't model human behaviour by a set of laws."

Yes We Can! That is why we have the United Nations for countries. Constitution for the nation. And unofficial etiquette laws for inter-personal relationships.

Without the United Nations countries with nuclear capabilities would blow up each other and lesser countries.

Without the constitution any man can walk up to you Eddygourdo on the street and stab you in the neck and people will let him go if he says that you were looking at him a certain way that he did not like or he does not like the way you dress or you're in his area. You might not know all of the above but by your logic, it is your fault. When it should really be his fault for behaving like an animal.

You should not have to hide or be careful where you walk because people may attack you, or rob you or even molest you in the arsehole.

Sure these things do happen but it is not on you. You're not the cause. We need to cut off the snake at the head.

and despite the united nations and the nuclear treaty ? How come we are closer to a nuclear war today than we ever were in history. On this forum many rapists have been caught, jailed even and others killed. How come we still see more cases and more in future. How come it hasn't been solved yet

MarieSucre:
" how do we stop the same thing from befalling same victim again."

The point of the law is not to stop it from happening to the victims but to stop the perpetrators from doing it again.

It's CAUSE and EFFECT.

I remember my English teacher in secondary school, he is from eastern Nigeria, said when he was younger they used to sleep with the doors open or sometimes on the field in front of their houses. Now almost everyone has fences.

There are Islamic countries where if you're got stealing your hand is chopped off. And if you rape a woman you're whipped heavily in a public square. This countries have lesser instances of this incidents happening. They are not allowed to give excuses.

I can drive around with my flashy car and park it in front of my house. It isn't going to be stolen. But things change when you decide that you want to steal it.

So what do we do as a society, Is it to weld my car to floor or lock it on a bank? No! Society is to tell you that it is WRONG to take someone's property annd like Jesus said, You should "flee all appearances of temptation".
Not longer around and find out how to blame the victim.
If you that for me and my thing. And I do that for you and your thing. Wouldn't it be better?

CAUSE and EFFECT is purely theoretical when applied to humans because we are dynamic. The same human who says no to something in abuja will say yes to the same thing in lagos. Despite all the areas with the rules and regulations, crime still abounds. You have to understand that there is no way people will conform. Its utopian to think that dear. Impossicant. You are an idealist and I get you. But life isn't ideal dear. You need to understand that. Thus no matter of law can cause humans to conform to any fixed behaviour of good or bad

MarieSucre:
There is a common phrase my mother always use to tell me when I make some mistake while doing my chores. She will say angrily "DO YOU MEAN YOU CANNOT USE YOUR NUMBER SIX TO KNOW WHAT IS RIGHT AND WRONG".
She was simply teaching me what oyibo people call Responsibility.

The driver does not need prodding from his passengers from his passengers to know that going over the speed limit is wrong. Whether it leads to accident or not. There are social rules that guide social etiquette. Simple.
1)If you're driving do not go over the designated speed limit.
2)If you're walking do not take someone's property as yours.
3)Do not penetrate a woman sexually without her consent.

If you fall foul of any of the above then you're a disgusting person and the reason the world is in decay.
I have returned money, I have returned phones. I have helped boys who unwittingly fell into trap of cultist. I do not seek any reward.
I only ask that if everybody would contribute cups of water, it would become a deep well. If people could stop rationalizing and just do good, the world would be better.

WHAT YOU'RE SAYING is that while we are pouring our cup of water into the well. some other people will come with bucket and start fetching into their Geepee tank. And then spit in our face and say that if we didn't want them to fetch out of it, We should have not only covered the well but uprooted it and hidden it in a bank safe. And that as far as the well is there we have given them license to fetch.
Note:- The well is metaphorical.

There is a reason why paedophilia is wrong. The child is not matured mentally and physically enough to give consent and to understand the repercussions of that consent. The adult should be the RESPONSIBLE one. Even grown women don't give consent to sex freely talk more of a child.

Do you not think it's disgusting?
Even I, a woman in her 20's would not have sex with a 16 a boy.

sweetheart you are an idealist. Its good. Its lovely. Because u are a nice person, I pray u stay away from the evil people who abound in this world. But I am a realist hon. I look at life by its merit. I look at life by not what people say is right or wrong but what they do rightly or wrongly and thus judge right and wrong by the actions and inactions of people.

Your mum says you should use your number six, are u going to say you weren't aware of that before shje said it ? Yet you didn't use it at that time for reasons best known. That's the same about people. They know what is right and wrong. But for some reasons people do bad at some times and good at some times. How do you protect urself from being a victim or prey when people do bad. You must protect urself.

Don't dress skimpily at night, don't be a night crawler , don't be so trusting of strange men etc these are things people are supposed to do to protect themselves. If a woman decides to jum into the vehicle of a strange man, and he rapes her violently, are you saying she had no blame ? She shouldn't be blamed for the unwise decision of trusting a stranger? The world is a bad place where we can't expect normal behaviour from everybody.

kaziblake:
That guy is mentally unstable

he doesn't know it yet, he still thinks its the effect of the weed, till he notices himself naked on the street seriously rocking awilo logombo when no music is playing. Will he realise this folly. He spoilt my appetite since morning.

kaziblake:

wetin man pikin go talk again. The man sef

MarieSucre:
" Why do you think that during wars, normal men who earlier were women respecters become rapists. Opportunity to exploit weakeness returns man to his base barbaric nature. It happens world over".

Should we now respect this barbaric nature and give it room to flourish?
Do you remember Clifford Orji the human eater. Following your logic, we should all lock ourselves in our houses and never go out so that Clifford Orji does not give in to his barbaric nature. And if he catches one person and starts to saw his or her flesh off. Then victim blaming. Its all their fault and they should have worn metal suite or stayed indoors.

What about our politicians?? Its is also our fault that we leave them in charge of such large amounts of money. Man will give into his barbaric nature and rob his fellow man. why bother having EFCC or ICPC or NAFDAC. We put ourselves in a position to be robbed. We must deal with the consequences!

perpertartors must face justice dear, but victims can't be completely absolved. Read some serial killer stories who preyed on women. They killed a lot of prostitutes and club women. Yyou know why ? Those peeps are more trusting of strangers due to their jobs unlike normal women. Normal women would think twice about joing a strange man in his car late at night , but not same for pros. Thus u see the victim faults of over trusting ? If you don't point that flaw out, how do we stop other prostitutes tomorow from falling victim of future serial killers

MarieSucre:
Even the UNITED NATIONS HUMAN RIGHTS. COUNCIL prosecutes perpetrators of war crimes. The men are not let to go scot free.

Sure man is higher animal. But we are not allowed to f**k our mother's like goats do. Or shit where we eat like cows do. Or eat our children like lions do. If we did there would be penalties.

Thats why we are HIGHER animals.

we are not allowed to, yet we have reported cases of people doing these. This still points to my earlier assertions that we can't model human behaviour by a set of laws. Humans will always do wat the wanna do and never in conformity with any norm. Thus as a living person whose role is more about self presevation. Would you rather live without guarding urself in expectation of other people confroming and respecting ur rights? Or would you live safely knowing that people are unpredictable and thus could consume u as prey

MarieSucre:
My friend. I like the way you talk. I'm really enjoying this conversation. Sincerely.

Now, I understand that we are in the same place at the beginning but diverge close to the end. We both agree that there is evil in this world and people can do unspeakable things. But it's where to go from there that we quarrel.

The world is not a perfect place, but we can make it better. One of the ways is to stop making excuses for the perpetrators.

e.g Computer village. You see all those guys caught and burnt or all those women stripped and shamed. The chances are the owners of the phone left it hanging out their pocket or was charging it in a public place. But how is it that when they're throwing tire around the thief and pouring fuel on the thief no one comes to say "PLS IT'S NOT HIS FAULT, IS THAT OTHER PERSON'S FAULT LET US RELEASE HIM".

Because the mob understands that it is not valid excuse. If he said he was hungry that would be better. (I DON'T SUPPORT JUNGLE JUSTICE).

A world where we let people get away with crimes because of victim blaming is a world on the brink of chaos.

my dear, perpetrators must face justice, but then we must look at the victim's scenarios, if the victim is beyond reproach and thus blameless, how do we stop the same thing from befalling same victim again. We cantt llok at crimes in isolation from the victims themselves. Eg in an accident caused by over speeding. Its the driver that over sped and killed his passengers. But it would still let us wonder why the victims never warned this driver earlier about his speed. this would look like victim blaming but its the only way to prevent an occurence. If the passengers caution over-speeding drivers , you must agree with me that will reduce accidents. Thus same logic applies. We can't leave out the victim totally from any blame else how do we mitigate the occurence of same to either the same victim or others. Do you know dat even in paedophilic rape, we have had cases of children being co - particippants and not necessarily raped, yet the law calls it a crime because the general consensus is that tha adult should know better, this looks at a situation by its merit. Absolving the victim irrespective of circumstance has created a bias in delivery of justice on accusations. Eg that young man who was wrongly accused of rape and many more

MarieSucre:
Sweetheart no crime fighting organization worth it's salt will blame a victim. You don't see Interpol saying "well look at all these foolish white people who fall for this Nigerian prince scams. We're gonna let the culprit go coz the victim was so foolish".
I assume you're a christian. Even David was punished for committing adultery with half-naked and bathing Bathsheba, cause God doesn't buy that it's the victims fault bullshit. Jesus himself said "if a man looks at woman lustfully he commiteth adultery with her in his heart" He did not say "if a woman is slutty and a man looks at her lustfully". Now I am not trying to excuse women and their dress. The 10th commandment says "DO NOT COVET YOUR NEIGHBOURS PROPERTY" it's does not say "well you can covet your neighbours car especially as your neighbour leaves such a flashy car outside looking so new and beautiful" following your logic "MAYBE I CAN ALSO STEAL MY NEIGHBOURS CAR, YOU KNOW COZ HE LEFT IT OUTSIDE INSTEAD OF HIS GARAGE, AND LOOK! HE DROPPED HIS KEY ON THE FLOOR. WELL ITS ALL HIS FAULT AND I'M. SURE YOU GOD WILL FORGIVE ME.

well in truth its your neighbours fault you stole the car. Babe if all was ok on earth, everyone kept the rule, why did jesus come and why is he creating heaven. The truth about the earth is that people cannot conform to right and wrong. Thus its impossible to trust that any body will behave rationally. Thus the predator and prey analogy. You could either be a predator or a prey. Thus with such choices in mind, as a woman where u are most likeley a prey. Would you make urself an easy prey or a difficult prey. Wise and tasty preys are very difficult to catch. My point is that its everybody's duty to not be an easy prey. Many crimes are opportunistic. Eg a bus molester who touches women in buses. He doesn't plan to do that, nor did he target anybody in particular. But then an again he would molest a female passenger for reasons best known to him eg skimpy skirt , she fell alseep or was drunk etc. Thus if u could agree with me that everybody has dat duty unto himself to not fall easy prey, and we can't model everybody's behaviour to standards. Should we not blame your neighbour who dropped his key carelessly before u stole them? Should we go the bank and carry the money we withdrew on our heads to the view of eveerybody? Should a woman be in a compromising position with a man she doesn't trust his intentions, should a woman dress provaocatively in a rough enviornment and appear vulnerable for sex predators.

Babe we must always have a diversity of good, bad and ugly. It won't ever change . But its should be a victim's duty not to fall easy prey. Else we will blame them. And call them johnny just come.

Bluffly:
If not a tribal affair what is it? Also point out my admittance and let me school your ignorance

I doubt u wanna go down that road. So let me pretend I didn't see that

Bluffly:
There is bravery and there is stupidity. Yoruba's have fought wars within themselves, killed maim, and survived. Maybe they were cowards then. A single Yoruba suggestion crippled the civil war by advising to use hunger(common sense). The difference between the Yoruba and other tribes in Nigeria is that they are more enlightened, they' ve moved distances away from been crude.

https://www.nairaland.com/864525/yoruba-kiriji-wars-1877-1893

Also read this piece and see the stupidity of the yeebos
https://www.dawodu.com/sanusi.htm

this is not a tribal affair. I stated an obvious which even u admit. So nothing to say further

MarieSucre:
Victim blaming

Victim blaming occurs when the victim of a crime or any
wrongful act is held entirely or partially responsible for
the harm that befell them. [1] The study of victimology
seeks to mitigate the perception of victims as
responsible. [2] There is a greater tendency to blame
victims of rape than victims of robbery if victims and
perpetrators know each other.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming

all these are stories, theoretical philosophy. A woman who knowingly places herself in a position to be exploited by real and opportunistic criminals must take some of the blame. Why do you think that during wars, normal men who earlier were women respecters become rapists. Opportunity to exploit weakeness returns man to his base barbaric nature. It happens world over. Do you know how the world handled dat ? Women and children protection during wars. Because they are the victims of greatest abuse. This doesn't imply that men aren't abused too or killed. But they suddenly become victims of circumstance. Thus same applies to a woman. No rule or definition can define or model the behaviour of a general population of people who behaviour could be subject to opportunities. Therefore victims must play a role of avoidance. A woman who walks about late at night in a rough zone is simply asking for the men there to use the opportunity to rape her. These same men may not have acted that way had they not seen her in such vulnerabilty. Thus victims can be blamed too . Look at the predator and prey arrangement in the wild. Watch them and you will understand the role of prey and predator and how some women make themslves easy prey to opportunisitic killers and rapists

Nixiepie:
how do u mean

nice dp

BrideOfDracula:
If we were all alike, life would be so predictable & boring. Just let people be because they each add a unique touch in their own little way.

do you have sister inlaws ? I have been hunting for a vampire wife for awhile

Brother, if you are still wearing clothes aand not running around a market, get help fast because once you enter maarket naked, there is no cure. What is wrong with you na

circuit101:
Obviously,u have nothing to say.

you are getting it all wrong young man. I have nothing to say to your type. Dats what's obvious

hushshinani:
Mr God knower clap for yourself... you want to enlighten somebody on God... what do you know about God that you want to teach somebody...

You'll only say what you've been told or read about... Did God seat you down to tell you about "them"??

God ain't human so i can't use him or her.

well u judge others by ur limitations. Since you believe ur ignorance , I will let you bask in it. Wisdom about God exists everywhere around you even in this ur ignorance. Since you prefer to limit ur knowlegde about God's omni status on evidences of mundane miracles. Its best ur allowed to keep up the charade. We have seen ur types before, they weren't wise then, thus you can't be wise now. You criticize what was told and read, yet all you know and don't know where heard and read. Or where u there ? Lmao

kevoh:
Are you ok? I will pretend as if you didn't mention me first on the thread while minding my business prompting my initial reply to you. If asking for live streaming of healing of amputees is being ignorant, then I'm glad to say I love my ignorant state ....

see me see wahala. Diversity of faces also must imply a diversity in sanity. Bye

circuit101:
Even an old man can b a fool.

Seems u have not been using your brain...

What the op wrote their is simple enough to comprehend rather than ur ad hominem technique.

another one pops out. How is life in hades

kevoh:
I don't have time for pointless arguments, I'm way pass that era now on Nairaland religion section. Let's get practical starting with an amputee miracle, I'm willing to give the Christian god a chance and throw away the other 4999 gods professed by humans, anything short of the amputee miracle then stay off my mention

yet you mentioned me. To ur worthless thread for the unintelligent. Continue to bask in ur ignorance then. Won't help you. You are still growing and cannot yet realise many things. Bye

geoworldedu:
still waiting, or Eddygourdo did you get this miracle one time in your life before? I'm certain Muafrika2 did. What about kingebukasblog.

you see , you are a very young man, else your understanding of christainity won't be judged by the modern displays of chalartans for christs who abound in modern day churches. Read you bible wnd find out exactly what being a christian means. Then you will realise that miracles where merely works of mercy by God and not a proof of his omni -status. Christ means something. Christain means something. If you see God in miracles, then what makes you different from the gullible church goers. I could have helped enlighten you on God. But with the way you are easliy impressionable. I don't want you to start worshiping me.

geoworldedu:
Have you read the DOCTRINE OF THE UFOS written by a Nigerian guy named Otemanuduno? It's far deeper than your so-called Bible with no single error in it. In years to come ppl will also start quoting from it like they started quoting from the quran 1500 years ago, believing them as the HOLY BOOKS.

guy think we are in the era of using the brain.

and you never bothered to question the rationale or origins of his assertions in that book. If many will read it and accept it, after two millienial many will rubish it like you have rubished the bible too. So what does that say about ur knowledge.

Go and read through history, miilions of books filled with facts dug out from a rectum abounds. When a new world order is in session, its participants assume a sense of beclouded enlightenment. You would believe the gibberish written by a mere human who will die like you, shit like you and cry like you. A mere human who cannot explain with verfiable facts, the origin of his existence. Yet you beleieve and don't see the folly

Go through history, women have never learnt anything. Stop wasting your efforts trying to teach them. Millions will read ur epistle and do all you have warned the next minute. Word is enough.

Expalin further, you tried to rape her ? Or u tried to sleep with her. Please answer so I know if to call the police or call God.