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tonychristopher:
Let me tell you

The greatest resources one have is human capacity and God has blessed Igbo so much on that . just that we need resourceful people

I am from anambra and I can say that I have seen ingenuity in aba and nnewi

The Biafra war was an eye opener also


The gods can't do for a man what a man will do for himslef

Switzerland Singapore and Luxembourg don't have any resources but their brains

This over depending on oil is killing me

agreed, good points, but look at the current state of the south East, does that environment encourage human capital investment? Imagine the wonders we could do if we had a seaport or river port at the Niger head, can we fund such as a new Biafran nation? We know our solutions, we must prepare our bed biafra very well lest we sleep on a bed of nails

tonychristopher:
What makes you think Nigeria will be more prosperous
Just take a cusory look at south east states and other states

Then compare

we are not doing enough with respect to our potentials as a people, we must improve, we can't sustain ourselves at our current state of development if we secede without good plans or strategy, that's all I am saying, this is why I feel the ipob approach is wrong, we must plan better, we must plan beyond secession, we must plan for our sustainace after seccesion, the goal of the ipob is seccesion, they are obsessed with it just as the apc was in trying to remove pdp from power, today we can see they are I'll prepared for governance, that is Wat misplaced priorities causr

tonychristopher:
Because you don't know the meaning

Pls thank me for the lectures


Iwe GI juo oyi nwanne madu

I am not angry bro, I just wanna have insightful discussions with people, hear their views and suggestions no matter how they might differ from mine. That's all.

VickJames:
The resources of one is not the resources of all, since the other groups in this country are not sharing their cocoa and gold with anyone in this country. why should anyone share his crude for the other person to enjoy

ok I understand your logic, buy these other resources you mentioned will you deny that over years thanks to our over dependence on oil, that these resources will be enough at their current state to run these regions without additional investment? The igbo land and SS were once known for oil palm and agriculture, the rubber plantations in the SS comes to mind, can we ask cross river for instance to be autonomous and depend on rubber at its current state? or should we invest in their rubber plantation project to ensure that after seccesion or federalism they can survive, which makes for a better approach

tonychristopher:
You see I said that
You don't know the meaning of Dutch disease ...now let me lecture you


It is not a curse word

It is a situation where nations that have oil depend so much on oil that they can't think outof the box

Can you pls Google it . this how to learn

So you can see your not an authority here

it is a derogatory statement to me. You don't know me nor my level in life, as I don't know you, Wat binds us is the mutual respect I earlier pleased for in this thread, I made sure I included the need for maturity in the topic. You cannot speak to me in such berating manner, there are better ways to express yourself young man if you want to have an intelligent discourse

VickJames:
pla

what you have to understand is that the world is not a place where we caress everyone to exist. they have been existing before the oil boom, so they should exist after it. afterall, the lands that are degraded are people's land.

let's assume you are the leader of this great nation, buy you intend to secede with your people, tell me how you would go about it, strategically, peacefully and economically in order to achieve your objectives with minimal or no bloodshed

tonychristopher:
Explain your economic viability ..maybe this Dutch disease has affected all of you
I doubt you know the meaning of Dutch disease

since you are into curse words, I won't discuss with you. I am here to only respond to my peers and clearly you looking at me wrong, if you wanna be an adult, then rephrase your questions respectfully and I will respond

ArodeTsolaye:
This one is banking on the SW support, with all their muslims licking northern as$ses. Alhaji Akintola the Sultan's boy must be laughing at your foolery.

Oga please show respect to others. That's the essence of this thread

ArodeTsolaye:
I ask you to stay on your own while i stay on mine, that means i am stepping on your toes? The blackman really has a big problem.

The solution is simple. A referendum just like the scottish did, unfortunately the blackman loves complicating simple things.

that is a solution that will not work. So you believe that if the SE currently seceded in its current state, that we will become more prosperous than Nigeria is?

ArodeTsolaye:
Tell that Abokki that whatever money oil people owed groundnut people have been repaid back to groundnut people a 100 folds. How many years did 50% of his groundnut feed the centere and but today he has been drinking more than 87%of other people's oil for more than 40 years.

true but for peace sake how do u justify a secession presently without stepping on toes. There must always be a peaceful means to an end, can you tell me a peaceful solution to federalism or seccesion

VickJames:
the monies, development and employment their people have been getting is enough for them. this is a pure act of laziness in their part. let the work hard to harness their potentials. nothing good comes easy.

bros for peace and tranquillity, every party in this melee must be pacified and a middle ground sought. To secced or create nation now or implement true federalism in Nigeria without preparation will render many states even in the SE uneconomically viable. So this development also affects the SE and not just the north

VickJames:
I am currrently doing a research on this subject matter and i will write something about it soon. this disunity of igbos got to stop

I mentioned the disunity and I was branded a yoruba bastard. Thank God the truth is here , readers should see and see how I told lies on my people and thus became a yoruba man

obailala:
There is NOTHING that cannot be achieved if a group of people UNITE in a COMMON GOAL.

Gen 11:5-9
[5] But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. [6] The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. [7] Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
[8] So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. [9] That is why it was called Babel[c]—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.

With visionary and patriotic leaders in the SE and with UNITY and COOPERATION, a seaport can be built; in fact, there is NOTHING we cannot achieve because the last time I checked, we all still spoke the same language. Unfortunately, the crop of leaders we keep producing in the SE are as clueless and as selfish as they come, and this doesn't even aid unity or cooperation.

2nd Niger Bridge
Since I was born, I have constantly heard of Igbos clamouring for the 2nd Niger Bridge (2NB) from successive administrations and it has always been used as a bait to hoodwink the Igbo nation by every single administration. So far, only GEJ came close to actualising that promise, but then, he still treacherously had to wait till 2015 elections to start the project. Furthermore, in the signed agreement for the 2NB, the proposed bridge will be tolled for 25 years when built because it is a public-private-partnership (PPP) and the FG supplies only N30bn for the project. A critical simple examination of the facts reveals that the 2NB will eventually be financed from the pockets of Igbos who mainly use the bridge.

Now let us carefully examine this project, for the past at least 20 years that Igbos have clamoured for this particular bridge, are we saying a regional cooperation of the core Igbo speaking states could not finance this project even if it is on a PPP basis?.... I know it is not ideal for states governments to take over FG responsibility, but if we carefully peruse historical records, never have I heard that a state built a federal road for instance and the FG did not pay back. Even at the height of the conflict between GEJ and Rotimi Amaechi, the FG paid back every dime which was spent by RVSG in constructing the Rivers State section of the PH to Owerri Road. That is a systematic way in which states have forced some federal projects in their domain, unfortunately the Imo state government did not think of it this way, hence the Imo axis of the PH to Owerri road is still a mess.

Seaport
Now there's been a lot of back and forth politics going on concerning the siting a seaport somewhere in the SE or at least, resuscitating one of the seaports in the old eastern region. I strongly believe that if we had visionary and selfless leaders who know what it means to be leaders, together with cooperation from the SS leaders, we should have been able to force out a functional seaport in the eastern zone from the successive federal governments. In the event of a failure of the FG to comply, a regional cooperation between SE and SS leaders (governors, Senators, Ministers, Reps etc.) can definitely force the FG to give an approval and a seaport can be built even if it's on a PPP basis.

Unfortunately, we only have leaders who go to Abuja as hustlers with the sole aim of lining their personal pockets, and when the blame eventually comes to them, they secretly deceive the youths that it is tribal/regional marginalisation from the other regions.

God will enrich your knowledge Base with more insights on this matter, you made alot of sense. Thank you. Though let's talk more on opportunities this initiatives can generate. This will help future investors and young entrepreneurs

VickJames:
the north have received more than enough proceeds from the south south and they should have thought about it before now. moreover, money was also gotten from different parts of the country to spare-head this project and not just the north.

of course the cocoa fields were exploited too, don't you feel one must give back to these same people from the proceeds of oil at least to please them

EUROBOMBER:
Bros, the guys is very correct. Why is it that anybody that tries to look at Igbo issues factually devoid of sentiments immediately becomes a Yoruba?

I know many Igbo guys here doing well in Abuja but are always scared to travel home. Aha cho ka ndimmadu ojoo bia gworun han nsii.

Most Igbos in the villages are very bitter when they see you come back and successful. Most people are killed when they try to start building their houses. I fear our people sha.

please ignore them, they are kids, they aren't aware or are the capable of maturity, these set of people are what filled up ipob and that's why I can never identify with such, I will critic myself constructively, the are derailers hoping to scuttle the initiative, will ignore them both.

This thread is meant for right thinking adults to air their views, no man or group of persons can Acheive growth without constructive criticism of his current state, if you say am not igbo, so be it, this topic is on the Igbos and people of like minds have contributed positively to it, you can either join the band wagon by saying your piece or you can throw insults my way and make unfounded accusations, if I was yoruba mind you I will be contented and have no business in a thread that clearly asked for Igbos. Let's carry on though. I need more insightful discourse on subject matter

I suggest people like you zinicc and dialfa should leave the thread. Whenever there is an ipob rally, you can go air your views there. Thanks

Zinicc:
You are Igbo but you are not in full comprehension of who the Igbo man is..

Igbo man is one who love his brother more ťhan himself
Igbo man is one who shares his wealth with his family and community
Igbo man is one who hide from his brother when he couldn't look at his face and help him out of his situation
Igbo man is one who married a wife and treats her like a queen


We Igbos loves ourselves so passionately and without any questions.

Some elements in Nigeria knows this very well, and considering their age long Igbophobia has decided to plant discord among brethren making them feel your brother whom is dying of love for you actually hates you, thereby putting cautious mode and as result vent for fault at any slight provocation. I hereby encourage every Igbo son to identify these elements each time they sight them and disreagrd their sermon and shame them.

Every human on earth has challenges and we Igbos are human too...but our good overides our weakness.

We are Igbos, we are proud, we are blessed.

if you say all the above and believe it to be true, then it's really unfortunate, when last did you travel home, I don't know if u are old enough to join your umunna, but if you are what type of issue do you handle there, why are there Igbos who dread going to their villages like plague lest they are done away with, why couldn't the entire SE support ojukwu during his presidential campaign despite being the perceived igbo leader, how can you come here and say things you know isn't true, the igbo people are never one, they never speak with a common voice and their disarray is a major reason the British never considered them as leaders post colonial era, they had no credible system please read you history, this thread is actually meant to address such division unlike the divisiness you are trying to preach, it's a thread seeking solutions, it's a thread seeking oneness amongst the Igbos, it's a discourse on the way forward and not a bandy of shenanigans that reveal hate or distrust. Cheers

Please continue. I dey enjoy am.

oliidell:
This is an assault on our collective senses. Iv stated it before.....nairaland FP smh

I dey tell you. It's really affecting me

MrBLING:
Where bucket? I wan vomit

I don vomit, why did I open this thread for Christ sake. Why oh God

@mapet may God continue to replenish your knowledge and bless your efforts. Thank you for that suggestion. The problem with it is that unfortunately for us, our SE leaders are sell outs and selfish, they lack common sense vision and that is unfortunate, the type of discourse you stated above which the SW have done, is what I want us to do here as intellectuals in igbo land, yes we are not governors, yes some people say we are not intellectuals, but it's going to be our widows mite in contribution to our utopian dream. This being said has brought the real intention of this thread, what are our challenges in the SE, how can we benefit ourselves, what are the solutions we can proffer towards achieving a vision, let's give opinions and speak freely without fear of judgement

ruggedboy01:
tonye no true igbo man even want to associate with ijaw...... u take this ur oil nonsense so personal, as if u have benefited anything from the so called oil..... I can bet with my life that non of ur family memeber or friend even have oil wall in ur region.
Nonsense

Mr tonyebarcanista has his opinion and with respect to the rules of this thread it should be respected, though I agree with you that the overflogging mention of oil is a moot point, even the SS will not survive if they don't diversify if they decide to form 's nation, the south East has the advantage of diversity because we have oil and gas too albeit in smaller quantities, but we are also capable of developments not based on oil. This areas are the areas I want us to deliberate on.

ruggedboy01:
now we don't have good people @ the federal level nko?

This is the only reason I kind of support biafra though not kanu's style. in that way, no bad leader will cry witch hurting

this is why the igbo speaking regions of the south East must align themselves to be politically relevant in Nigerian politics at national level, if we had done this long ago, we will have sons and daughters in important positions at federal level, unfortunately the ipob agenda is not well thought out, but such platform is also a means for foreign support and fund generation. If terrorism can find funds, why not a noble cause like the Biafran dream

VickJames:
do you think your suggestion is wise?

if the south south oil is used to develop other region to the state of sustainability, then when regional federalism comes, the south south government will be shareholders in the IGR of the different regions that they developed to sustainability.

not so, it is unfair to the north to not develop them for sustainability knowing that revenues from the north funded the exploration and development of the oil. Every region must be developed with the oil as it's Nigerians property today, after we have set the foundations we call for a national conference to discuss true federalism, I tell you that most will embrace it, and if any region seeks seccesion, such should be allowed to go, it's an amicable and equitable solution in our quest to either true federalism or seccesion

ruggedboy01:
how do we build it, with which money

exactly I like that question, it's very important it is addressed, you also can give suggestions, but I feel a political solution is best, if we had hood people with such vision at federal level, am sure such an Intiative can be funded, either solely or in foreign partnerships who are sympathetic to the cause

Let's not derail this initiative with arguments of seccesion, what do we feel could be done to improve the sustainability of the south East. To prevent arguments in my own opinion the south East which comprises of the five igbo states is biafra, the south south will determine their fate. Let's talk as Igbos. Leave the oil issue alone, we can discuss our own oil. Our own solution to a sea route just as eurobomber has pointed out. Thanks

TonyeBarcanista:
My brother, I understand that this thread is meant for Igbo intellectuals(which I'm not one by virtue of the fact that I'm not an Igboman). But, I have to tell them the truth. Whether they accept or not is not my problem....



#Walking out...>>>

Mr you haven't lied, SS is now a region and are entitled to speak for themselves, if they support the Biafran agenda then it will be their choice

Truth4eva:
It seems that you do not understand the country you are living in. No state or region will fold its hands and see what it has perspired for being used to sustain another state or region, because some states or regions cannot sustain themselves. This is the truth. Why do you think that the nigerian government does not want to implement diversification of economy or true federalism? Your guess is as good as mine. People don't speak so much about oil because it is used to sustain all states. Once true federalism comes into play, everybody will be vigilant to know which state is a parasite and which is the host. When sustainable states see that the unsustainable ones don't contribute as they should, disuinty and disagreement will set in.

that is why I said, true federalism cannot be implemented yet. We must invest in other regions albeit with the oyel money to make the sustainable, once that is achieved, regions van decide to come together as a federation or we all go our separate ways, to agitate for federalism or seccesion today without the above done will never be accepted by the north who are mostly parasitic on the nations economy thanks to their lack of interest in agriculture and avarice to oyel money

Truth4eva:
Op, I commend you for your good work here. Nevertheless, the earlier we tell ourselves the truth, the better for us. True federalism cannot work in Nigeria. Some states cannot sustain themselves not to talk of bringing a certain percentage to the central government. When this repeats itself severally, these states will depend on other states for survival as if in a pararsitic mode of association. They will become a burden to these other states which can sustain themselves, leading to quarrel, diagreement and disunity. What holds Nigerians together is CRUDE OIL. If it is taken away, one can now see how nigeria looks in reality. If hausas/Fulanis or Yorubas want to secede, nobody lifts an eyebrow. But as soon as Biafrans talk of secession, war will be declared against them. Why? Because of OIL.

true, I do agree but this country is blessed with many things other than crude, we just haven't developed many sustainably, we need to start doing that At least for a predefined period. This period should assess the capacity for self sustainace by the different regions with investments made towards these identified areas, we can't implement true federalism now at our current state else all regions will suffer and crumble including igbo land. Thus we must exploit our areas of comparative advantage which exists for all regions and make investments towards them in plan for either full federalism or seccesion