UGBE634: you should have asked your grandma to interprete the word "Oba" for you.
Oba does not mean king, Oba was like a god who had and still has so much influence over the Bini people.
The Oba was everything to us, you hear names like Obarisiagbon- which means Oba is the centre of the world
Obarisiuwa-Oba is the centre of wealth
It Even reflect in greetings- Oba-avan- which means Oba's afternoon-good afternoon
Oba-Owie-Oba's morning-good morning
The understanding of the Oba was bigger than just a king to the Bini people, that's why he was being compared with almost everything, even though he was the king of Edo people, he was also like a god.
The fact is that as I am arguing, I tend to think more and see more rhema that draws me closer to the fact that the Oba is a non native
In the Benin tradition oba is a God Because he is a God and well honored does not mean he is not edo
Drop your YouTube link if you're so confident Your followers will stick with you after I come visiting
Even the so called yoruba you're shifting the omo n'oba to also sees their monarch as a God Not just the benins and the yorubas alone but every tribe that had kings in Nigeria precolonoal era
samuk: I also used to frequently visit my great grandmother in village during school holidays in the early to mid 1980s. She was born during the reign of Oba Ovonramwen. One of the reasons I love the village was the history of Benin the elders told us after dinners and before bedtimes. None of the elders or my great grandmother was aware of Oranmiyan, Ife and Oduduwa. I only became aware of these names when I read them in books.
By the time my great grandmother died in late 1980s, she witnessed the reigns of the following Obas, Ovonramwen, Eweka 1, Akenzua and Erediawa. My great grandmother who also met her grandparents who saw the reigns of Oba in the 1700s into 1800s got her history from them to pass on to us. Myself have also witnessed the reign of three oba, Akenzua, Erediawa and Ewuare 2 already. The passing down of history from generations to generations is one way the Benin history has passed down from the past.
My great grandma didn't even know anything called oromiyan or oduduwa when she told me the benin stories, the people who knew about such stories was the later generation who read it and knew it through school
UGBE634 is not smart at all if he knows how far we have gone in edo history both the past the present he wouldn't have dare to convince us in some nonsense
He didn't even know about some migration that happened when the Oba of benin called the benins in yoruba land to come help rebuild benin
He is also not aware there is no yoruba idol or names in the palace
He now assume ososomaye is a yoruba idol
He knows nothing about cultural influence on neigbouring yoruba town on usen people
All he knows is an oral history is drunk relatives told him
UGBE634: The Oba and his family are the strangers alone. I am autochthonous Bini from Ugo, Bini people cannot be strangers in their land, I have always opined that not all Binis migrated down here as opined by Ignorant Esan folks, Aside nairaland, I also have a youtube account where I contest this argument with them. Infact nobody has fought that Idea more than myself here. I challenge you to screenshot comment of anybody that has fought that Idea here
, you can check up my argument with Igboid and Atigba
So it is never about the Esan talk as I am not Esan, infact I have more than enough previous screenshot that contradicts what you opined above
No one would hear, you won't go far with your agenda because you can't even win us here in the first place You accuse us of a occultic reasoning which is very unreasonable of you
You can't even backup your claims with article or even old written record or substantial artefact yet you want to be heard you want us to hear you because you put oral story's together to draw stupid conclusions who does that at the age if not Ugbe
You're now revealing your agenda gradually My question is why are you doing what you're doing, are you paid are you a yoruba man, did the benin or oba offend your people
If you're looking for the truth then you have to pay the price by dedicating your time to not just read or listen to oral history also paying for DNA testing if you have to, don't just come and say rubbish and accuse people of occultic reasoning, before you came to nairaland we have been here arguing about the authencity of of the Obaship stool and we have gotten enough insight....that our oba is a fully blooded edo
Because you saw scattered villages of yoruba settlement in benin like they are also not scattered settlement of other tribe like Itsekiri, urhobo and even ijaw around benin City you began to draw your fallacious reasoning of oromiyan from it
You assume ososomaye is a yoruba idol without no prove even fellow yorubas are not making such unfound claims only you, can't you see your desperation has made you shift away from reality
Please take yourself out of nairaland and fall back to YouTube when you're ready we will let you have your voice
UGBE634: Even in history, I was trying to point out that the influence was still subtle, it was one of recognition by the Esan kings that Irrua is the most senior and it ends there. I just wanted to point it out so that people will not mistake your senior for subservient role
What you should have opined is that the stool was gifted not the name or title Onojie or Ojie. An Onojie or Ojie title can't stick with Esan, 'a core Edo group', Saying it stuck with them is like saying Oba stuck with the other yoruba towns that received kings from Ife, it is that absurd and weird, I don't know how else to put it. In the sense that, Even if they were to have evolved a monarchy of their own, that is if an Oba was not in Benin that gifted them such stools, those monarchs would still go with the Title Onojie or Ojie. I mean it is who they are, the core fabric of their being. They have no other word for king . That is why I describe the "Oba" as an emperor, the word Oba is not what we have properly domesticated to mean king, given the fact that he was so mighty and his title is not what we can interprete.
If the Itsekiri were to have evolved a monarchy on their own, they would never have gone with the title Ogiame, remember we are talking about the true meaning and intent here. We already have a template in Urhobo and Bini to follow and know that Ojie or Onojie is a cognate word for king, just like Ovie and Ogie. Also we have some template to follow in Benin and Urhobo such that there was already some kings with titles Ogie and Ovie before the emergence of the Oba of Benin that were independent.
Oga stop forming nonsense in your head
There was no Emergence of any oba of benin
The oba has remained oba likewise they have always been ogie there is no ife that came to unite benin people
The edo people did that themselves
When benin was being formed it was not formed with war neither was any great nation When England was formed to what makes England today it was not formed by force so remove that thought of your yoruba ife coming to form benin
The benin were formed through mutual agreement the person who was choosing to be the first oba probably did a remarkable thing that made the benin belive he was the chosen one and as such he was made the first oba and all enogie paid him respect
UGBE634: All those Ogiesoba and Oba'r'Ogie should already tell you the comparison, dichotomy and strife that existed between them before one gave way for the other if you have a functioning brain.
That the Ogi-egor is older than the Oba's stool is not in contention at all. That's why he is also called Osanegor, go and Ask your elders.
Even the enogieship of Urhonigbe is far older than the Oba's dynasty too. It evolved from the Oldest man in the community, infact that is what is still in place.
The Ogisos were never emperors or conquerors, their powers could at best be described as soft or spiritual over other Edo communities and their Enogies. The "Iso" in their title suggest an heavenly mandate. It can at best be described as the sort of influence, the Okaigiesan has over other Esan communities and their Enogies. We were a republican people
Even the Enogie of Egor closest to it was independent.
On the other hand, the Ogie-amien have theirs too, which is "Ogie-amien, Aimien Oba"
Meaning na king them dae see o, dem nor dae see Oba.
Oba is alien, He is not from the land, the word "Oba" is foreign, the way it is pronounced suggest so absolutely
There was never an ogiso you fool
Back it up with written European evidence of benin mentioning ogiso
Efewestern: I've highlighted some keys points from UGBE634, AreaFada2 and samuk. Edeyoung, I saw your mention and I will try to answer below.
First of all, we all can agree that there was a major divergence amongst the Edoid group. Most groups left during the Ogiso Dynasty (Igodomigodo) and at that time, the current Empire wasn't formed.
Before their departure, The Ogie title was prominent and it didn't by anyway mean Chief/Duke as some would want us to believe. The Urhobos/Isokos who were the largest stock to leave had records of her relationship with Aka and even marked her territories as we can see in Abraka which means a border with Aka.
Before the establishment of the Oba dynasty by Oba Eweka I, most Edoid groups who migrated to various areas were already established, forging with their separate identity except for recent migrators like Iwere who later adopted a Bini Prince.
Wether or not Oba was used during the Ogiso era is still very debatable and inputs from those against and for the argument are valid. I've noted some valid corrections myself and I've also gained some insights.
There was never an ogiso dynasty oga
Ogiso means sky rulers except you choose to believe in myth
The benin started talking of sky rulers when the Europeans introduced their religion of Christianity to the edo Haba make una dey use una head decipher myth for truth
It was always been oba and enogie there was never an ogiso you are not well read on benin ancient document that was written by the Europeans
The benin tradition believe on recarnation and they believe all things lived on earth they believe the God of sea was olokun and the God of the land was oba who also control the sky for rain they didn't imagine there was a being up there until the European brought the concept of Jesus and the benin made an assumption out of it....
RedboneSmith: Nawa oh. The English that Ryder wrote is quite clear na. Why are you people reading something else there? 😳 It's rather weird.
Let me provide further quotes from that same chapter "The Benin Kingdom" written by AFC Ryder. It is chapter 6 in the book Groundwork of Nigerian History edited by Professor Obaro Ikime, for anyone who wants to check it out for themselves.
On page 110, Ryder wrote: "At the end of the 15th century, the first Portuguese visitors to Benin were told that the Ọba received investiture and regalia from a distant potentiate whom the Edo knew as Ogane; this 'suzerain' may have been the Oni of Ife. Before 1897 parts of the body of a dead Ọba were sent to Ife for burial. But although there are good grounds for accepting some ritual and dynastic relationship between Benin and Ife, exactly how it was established is hard to determine. "
Further down on page 112, after mentioning that Benin chiefs told Captain Roupell in 1898 that Benin people sent to Ife in the Yoruba country for a king and Eweka was sent to them, Ryder wrote this in conclusion: " The most that one can safely conclude from this evidence is that Eweka was probably the first Ọba to rule in Benin, and that he was probably of Yoruba origin, though not necessarily first-hand from Ife."
There are "maybes" and "probablys" in Ryder's submission, because, of course, when you're working with oral tradition (and even written evidence in some cases) there is nothing like 100% certainty. But it is clear from the chapter that you derived your initial misquote from that Ryder was actually leaning towards a Yoruba (if not specifically Ìfẹ́) origin for the Eweka Dynasty.
Let me reiterate that I do not necessarily agree or disagree with what Ryder had to say. I don't care one way or another. My entire point is simply: Don't misquote a scholar in order to make a point.
Also, I see a screenshot flying around from a paper Ryder wrote where he pointed to the Niger-Benue area. The screenshot comes from a paper Ryder wrote in 1965 called "A Reconsideration of Ife-Benin Relationship". The predominant view in Nigerian historiography until 1965 was that the Eweka Dynasty was of Yoruba (Ife) origin. In 1965, Ryder came up with an interesting new theory which he published in that paper. It was really interesting and sparked off a conversation in scholarly circles. JK Thornton building on that even wrote his own paper, where he argued that the Ogane was the Ata of Igala. In any case, both Ryder's and Thornton's theories never really caught on in academic circles. It even appears that Ryder himself came to question his theories later in his career, because in this chapter (that I have quoted and you have misquoted) that he wrote for the book Groundwork of Nigerian History in 1980, he did not mention his 1965 hypothesis at all, but seems to have reverted to the traditional orthodoxy of a Yoruba (even if not specifically Ife) origin for the Eweka Dynasty.
Efewestern: Exactly my point. Why is Oba only found in groups that share affinity with Yoruba? Why can't we find a trace in other pure Edoid groups ?
The supremacy of the Oba's isn't a enough to invalidate some observations. From what we can deduce: Ogie was once used by the Bini empire pre-migration.
Bini is the root. Before Ogie get accepted by all, then we can conclude that it was the right acceptable word for king before a major change in government.
Ogie isn't less than Oba. Both mean the same thing. Only that one is purely Edoid and the other...
@bolded, another valid observations. Most Edoid groups are republican. There's much to know about our past.
I guess you have seen my screenshot earlier
Are you aware oba never crowned any ruler in yoruba land ogie....but rather a distinct title The Era were dukes were crowned ogie was quiet a long time ago or would I say depended on the Oba
So if the yoruba territory didn't use Ogie definitely the world oba should mean king to them the Lagos monarchy was crowned eleko of Eko and not ogie or enogie of Eko, if that was so the word ogie should be widely use in the entire yoruba area but since the title was never introduced then the one which they were familiar with would be oba to refer to their Supreme king in benin
The word oba began to florish in the yoruba language in the 1930 more, ask yourself was there any yoruba person before the formation of Nigeria that had the prefix oba, like obansanjo attached to is name If you can find any then I will have to agree to you on your thought
But I can show you benin people in European document that had oba as prefix to their name As early as 1400AD in a written document made by Europeans
But you can never find any of that name in yoruba land until after the formation of Nigeria like you see names like obansanjo now
The owo had a parable discribing the Oba of benin as a man of valour,
We adopted the use of President after 1960 you can see how far the word president is so common to Nigerians and we even have songs And parable using the word president does it mean Nigeria own the word president the popularity of a word among a particular does not determine the origin, if ogie was used by all Southerners including yorubas and ibos before the formation of Nigeria trust me no one would admit again the word is a benin word
The reasons you're seeing bilingual yoruba benin community galmouring to use the word oba as a title is because of the trend that happend in 1930 within the yoruba monarchs some of them when they have issues with the palace they start shifting to their yoruba ethnic Ask them if their ancestors who ruled them use the title oba to address themselves in the first place
The idiot you're supporting is a yoruba man claiming edo
Again the popularity of a particular word amongst a group does not always mean it originated from the people
Thirdly if we are to assume the Oba of benin is of yoruba monarchy then how come we don't have yoruba names inside the benin palace, names of chiefs bearing a corrupted form of yoruba names how come the benin palace doesn't have the yoruba idols if there was a really a shift in the monarchy
But yet we have yoruba idols in benin because we have bilingual villages sounding benin that has yoruba origin but it couldn't get to the palace because the Oba is a full benin blood
davidnazee: Lol.. Please stop confusing yourself further. This your interpretation will only give you f9. when a researcher uses the phrase "it seems" it means he didn't find any evidence to make a factual conclusion.
And this second statement; "What innovations the dynasty may have brought from its place of origin we cannot determine because next to nothing is known about the Yoruba peoples themselves at this early date. The essential innovation was presumably the monarchy itself: all the features that made the Benin kingship distinctive, and very different from the corresponding institutions in Yorubaland, seem to have emerged in later years when the dynasty must have become absorbed in Edo environment."" simply mean that afterall studies he finds no similarities between Edo people and their monarchy against the Yorbuas and their monarchies. No single similarity, nothing for him to suggest indeed there was a relationship.
Go back to English class bro.
Even our bronze casting when it was extensively researched on they found out the artwroks were entirely different from the yoruba artwork in the making and design too and even the usage and materials
UGBE634: Idu is an Udo thing not a Benin thing, Benin as a city is too recent for the pa Idu story. The earliest of Binis lived in Udo. You cannot be attributing Udo glory to Benin. Check around you, it is common knowledge, everyone greeting La-Idu are from Udo.
It is also common knowledge that the first Ogisos lived in Udo going by Etsako and Urhobo narratives as against some Binis who would want to attribute Udo's glory to Benin. Udo is our oldest town by a mile, it is uncontested. The Eriwmin-Idu shrine in Udo is mightier than the one in Benin. That shows its root.
UGBE634: That the word "Oba" is not Edo is not what we should contest
These are the only set of persons that go with the Oba title in Edo state
They have something to do with yoruba or come outrightly from it.
Oba of Benin Oba of Agbede Oba-Oluogbe of Usen
Omo'n'Oba'n'Edo-
It literally translates to mean-
The one that is king over Edo
The etymology of the word Oba is in yoruba and not Edo, they usually tell you that the ba means light but the way it is pronounced suggest otherwise, the pronunciation of the ba is usually relaxed, it's not pronounced in a way to suggest light. There is no strong stress on the "ba"
Also the dating of Usen and Utesse royal line seem to tally with the Oba's dating
The Ososomaye juju that is obviously not Edo has been in the Oba's palace for centuries,
Sango, Orunmila and others, and their presence in Benin city seem to be tied to the Oba's emergence as king in Benin city, it is not coincidence. When you tie these points together, you might have gotten your answer
Also the republican system seems to be the norm for all Edo save for Benin who has an emperor moreso with an "Oba" title.
Yoruba man
Sango, orumila are they idols inside the palace if no then you should understand if benin is bothered by neighboring yoruba villages it is normal to have their gods around
If this idols are not found in the palace then you should know the edo monarchy is not of yoruba origin
Ugbe you're a yoruba for you lying you will meet your fate as soon as possible
Efewestern: In my own enclave, we are expected to pay our homage to AKA (Bini) during a coronation of a new King or High chief (a practice that has long being abandoned).
No one is disputing the Oba's influences. His influences was never in question. We are only asking questions about the root of the word Oba because we can't seem to trace it in the Edoid lexicon.
Even if Oba was exclusively reserved for the emperor of Bini, there could have been reference to the word with the Edoid family. For example, the Urhobos refer to God as Oghene but Bini word for God (Osanobua) is very much traceable in several Urhobo dialects (Osonobrugwe/osolobrugue). This is validity of a word within a family group.
Also, why is it that only non-edoid group call their Kings Oba? Usen and even Iwere. These groups interchangeably call their kings Oba. Why are they comfortable with the Oba word?
This non edo tribe began to adopt the title oba In after the ooni of ife in 1930 first adopted it as a generic title to his original title ooni before then they were addressed as Ooni of ifesir adeyemi... By the British and the other yoruba monarchs followed suit after the ooni replace sir with oba, including the edo groups that traces their origin to yorubas I repeat all of them bought into the trend all a suddenly, the only exception is a bilingual benin community in benin city that is both of yoruba and edo origin due to her closeness to both tribe Geographicaly the title of their king is olu-tese of utese he knows the tradition that if he attached oba to his title it becomes a problem and as such as been confered as an enogie by the Oba but if he was outside of benin that would have been a different case
The generic title for yoruba kingship is olu and not oba but the yorubas didn't used that because it never commanded respect unlike when they used the word Oba, the Oba of benin let them use is title because as at then the benin were still in political alliance with the Yorubas and the Oba even agreed to be one of the sons of oduduwa for political benefit that the benin lacked when the oppression was now so very much in the western region then benin sort to disassociate itself from the false history And leave the western region
Again to your last question why are they no ediod sub group using the word oba in Thier lexicon, it was a forbidden to call yourself oba or use the word as a name without permission even in benin city and again most edo sub group were closer to their ogie and the people the ogie govern may not even know the Oba existed apart from the palace
Some edo groups used it like the screenshot overthere is an esan name and why it could be found in esan because they constantly had contact with benin through history
bundarina: Then why are you crying. It's always you dumb shits discussing your copiums, along with Nyamiri, in this cursed colonial entity called Nigeria.
Stop saying rubbish make bottle nor go land for your head
bundarina: Not only is it false, only stupid people think an ethnic of people descend from a man, not only is it unscientifical, it belongs to mythology, and the same mythology isn't even believed by most myth keepers. Also, the Yoruba are an ancient group and with large number, they have birthed many ethnicites, including the Edo, not the other way around. The Yorubas were also kind enough to teach their culture and influence, like teaching of the bini bronzes and other arts and crafts.
You're mad get out of here drunkard
Or go back and read from the beging of this thread
We are discussing if the benin-ife relationship existed at all and found out it never did you're saying some entirely stupid
AreaFada2: Let me tell you why. Whether Edoid groups were largely independent or dependent, most acknowledged Oba's superiority. Even those that were more independent sought Oba's confirmation or blessing. Even outside direct Edo areas.
For example, in 1818 (just yesterday in historical terms), Benin sacked Akure when the new Deji of Akure refused to accept instruments of office from Chief Osagwe, Oba Osemwende's emissary. The Deji even murdered Osague (a title also adopted by some Yoruba monarchies as Sagwe or Sawe as a chief). It was serious rebellion and breach of established order. Of course Oba demanded Deji's head physically and got it.
As for Warri, in 1480, Oba Olua sent his son Prince Iginuwa (Ginuwa) to go and be the Lord of the Seas as his new domain. There are various versions as to how this came about. But he was to be "Ogie Amen". About 8 or 9 years ago, the father of current Olu said was now a Christian and wanted to drop Ogiame title. His own family and Iwerre youth protested. He was advised to retain it or abdicate. Gov. Uduaghan, Rita Lori Ogbegbor and others had to intervene. He retained the name to calm things. Iwerre people said Ogiame is the tittle Iginuwa brought from Benin and there is no dropping it. Adding Olu to it is fine. I posted the link to the story on NL before.
All rulers below the Oba were never called Oba in Benin Empire. They were seen as dukes/Enogie/Ogie/Enigie. In the same way Enogie of Utese and Enogie of Usen are seen today. If they were in Delta or outside Edo South, they might be officially called king by now.
Even when Lagos monarchy was founded by Oba Orhogbua of Benin, it was meant as a dukedom, under Benin and that was in Benin view the case until 1861 when Britain took over Lagos with Eleko Dosunmu. Lagos rulers did not even use Oba title before then but Eleko.
In essence, in Benin view, Oba was not just a kingship title but also an emperor. Therefore, no other ruler believed to have allegiance to Benin would bear Oba title. Even if their Ogie title, due to influence and size of their domain, would equate to kingship. Obas of Benin were administratively very precise. Names, titles and all were well-controlled. They always figured out ways to outmanoeuvre the rising powers and influence of Benin High Aristocracy and areas considered Benin territory, whatever people now say of their history post-1897 and especially in current 9ja with rise of ethnic nationalism. It marvelled Europeans already from 1470s.
I have read numerous PG and doctoral theses on Benin History by researchers from across the world and it's quite amazing what they reveal everyday. From Oba Palace Musicology to Palace Societies to Councillors of State.
As for how long Oba title has existed, it was in Benin before Eweka 1 Dynasty. We have exhausted the history of the title here over the years in many threads and posts.
Today, nobody is superior over anyone. It doesn't feed anyone. History just has be straight.
This is what I have been saying that the word oba is as old as the kingdom
Ogiso are myth like every other tribe had in the past they were never rulers, benins old tradition didn't believe on sky kings they believe their gods were on earth, who they to believe to be their Oba who always recarnated not until the European brought the concept of sky kings to benin... If you check old text writing in benin by Europeans you will see all these things
RedboneSmith: Wow. Sir, what mischief is this? Why are you re-writing the words of the late A. F. C. Ryder? This intellectual dishonesty is not necessary na.
You took the words that the late historian wrote in his chapter "Benin Kingdom" in the book Groundwork of Nigerian History and you mangled it to say the opposite of what the historian wrote.
Ryder did not write that Benin sending for an alien (Yoruba) ruler was inherently implausible. These are Ryder's exact words: "...we seem to tread on firmer ground when we come to the traditions which recount in some detail how a number of Benin chiefs, rather than accept one of their own number as an hereditary ruler, sought a sovereign from the Yoruba dynasty ruling in Ife. There is nothing inherently implausible in this story". (page 110)
Yes, Ryder did say that next to nothing was know about the Yoruba at that early date, but a full quote illustrates that he was not heading to the conclusion that your mangled quote portrays. Ryder's words in full on page 112 of the same book:" What innovations the dynasty may have brought from its place of origin we cannot determine because next to nothing is known about the Yoruba peoples themselves at this early date. The essential innovation was presumably the monarchy itself: all the features that made the Benin kingship distinctive, and very different from the corresponding institutions in Yorubaland, seem to have emerged in later years when the dynasty must have become absorbed in Edo environment."
There is no doubt that Professor Ryder was a proponent of the "Out of Yorubaland" theory as regards the current Benin dynasty. There is nothing wrong with you holding a different opinion from this. But to wilfully distort a scholar's words is a hell of a desperate move. Not cool, bro.
Rather did many research in benin city he did more writing in benin history than any tribe in Nigeria
You saying rather not knowing the yoruba history to draw conclusions in the Benin-ife relationship is absurd
If Ryder could somehow trace the benin relationship to nupe then he definitely saw fragment of evidence between both areas, he could likewise have also seen for the yorubas too but non was there and don't assume that the edo environment has somehow eroded it away when we know it was never even there
Ryder acted on the agreement of both the edos and yoruba historian on the benin-ife history is not something he discovered himsef like that of the nupe-benin relationship, he went ahead to give it a sense of believe and did is research and found nothing
We all know the benin-ife relationship is a political game that was played during the early formation of Nigeria to unite both tribe under a strong political presence
No matter how old an interaction between two tribe took place there must be a relics left by the one that was later absorbed
Efewestern: Supremacism is the reason we won't get anything right as regards to our historical connections and heritage.
Some things shouldn't even be debated when the facts are there. You can't claim to apply common sense and logic and still believe somethings.
The Oba title debate is funny to me because Edo is the core root of most South Southerners and it won't be difficult to validate some claims. If you say the Oba title was used for over 1000years, then other edoid groups would have retained it in their various dialects.
As we speak, the only title that spreads across all related group is Ogie. Now here are my questions.
* When was Oba first used ?
* Why isn't it found in any Edoid languages?
* Most Edoid groups were very independent from Bini influences and would have adopted the title for their leaders if it was the title used pre-migration.
* Why was Ogie the general accepted word for king? Even Unrelated bini-influenced groups like Iwere used Ogi(e)ame. Why not Oba-Ame?
I believe there is a missing link somewhere. The dots aren't connecting.
UGBE634: I have kids not unborn, If I am not a Bini man,let me die before my time, let my children die before my very eyes, let everything I hold dear perish. Are you comfortable now
You lack diginity, you're not fit to be a benin that's if you're at all
Edo people are progressive people you're not you're stuck in the past
Because people say things gives you no reason to doubt what they say is that how you trust esogban this esogban that, can't the oba compel the esogban to do his bidding and say what he wants him to say, have you ever thought of that?
If we don't doubt things how would there be improvements because people say what they said does it gives it authentication
Have you even sat down to know if the ife history was true all you do is nod your head with your fellow yorubas to belittle the edos and claim the edo stool is from yorubas
You don't learn. which is very bad, stop doing what you're doing here you will have me to contend with for the fact you're even claim edo makes me more angry
There was a research work Done by Europeans themselves between edo and yoruba artworks it showed that both works were very different in every way both in technique style and materials but you won't pick that book to read because you believe anything people say is truth because they are from the palace.... 😂😅 Even the yoruba artworks were not made by ife or yorubas themselves they bought it from art merchant in the ancient time, Have you also tried to look at the facial marks on the ife artworks if it even have resembles with the ife facial marks to know if it was the ife people the artworks were even depicting? I guess no
You dey fall my hand, I swear edo people are smarter than this that's if you're even edo
I am not one, I have never been, I will never be, if you will not call the Ogie-amien family yoruba because they believe and hold strongly that the Oba is from Ife, you have no business calling me that, what about the Ogi-egor who holds supremely that his "kingdom" is the maternal home of the present Oba dynasty. If you do not call him a yoruba, you have no business calling me.
What about the Esogban who said he came from Ife alongside with the Oba and some other person's, you know his house in Benin, you've not placed fire on it? The truth is glaring only if we chose to see it
Ogori or Idoma man leave Edo history alone
Oga anybody can say anything back it up with historical document
People can claim ownership to the stool of the oba of benin it has been happening before now even in ancient benin kingdom
Oga in a world were there is freedom of speech anything can happen anyone can say shit So because the ijaws said they are the owner of gelege sea port we shouldn't doubt them because they said so
It is called ogie mien king of the seas
And he has no business with the oba stool
Oga you're not a benin man Tao11 can do better when writing benin than you did
Writing in benin doesn't make you a benin man
You're of the yoruba tribe I dare you to swear with your uborn kids... If truly you're benin
Oga anybody can say anything backing it up with historical fact is what matters
Even the ife you're killing yourself for was made known by a yoruba writer Samuel Johnson
From today on I will follow you bumber to bumber I will make sure I chase you out of culture thread either with truth or otherwise
SLIDEwaxie: You're simply what they call a lucky Bastard. This doesn't make your smart or better. You can't be a good civil engineer in school, it can only be because of long years in practice.
Now, that being said- you designing a structure is the job of an architect, supervision is the job of a builder and the structural aspects is for a structural engineer, in which you come in..
And nobody would pay ₦200,000,000 into a savings account for a job just based on recommendation because clearly you were a novice. Lass lass, if they were desperate to help you, they'll attach you with a major construction firm and pin you as a head of department.
My point, you are just one of the lucky bunch, you're not smart or very good and you're probably just a liar
I swear lucky bastard want to turn his story to motivational inspiration
If he was indeed good we would have heard his name
Do you understand that the region were the white people are staying various numerous volcanic activities that formed their landmass..
If you are leaving africa to Europe you will understand that European is on a higher altitude(elevation) than Africa continent, which is on a lower land,
What formed the landmass of Europe is activities of volcano over thousands of millions of years their land mass are still restructuring regularly due to volcanic eruption not that no one is dieing of such disasters like you make us to believe
When such start occurring then you can begin to fear.....
EdoDefence: Not many might know this; but as always, history always has a good way of reminding us that even in some of our most darkest times, some certain conditions can cause the rise of some uncertain and unlikely heroes to come to the rescue of people whom are being oppressed by an Oppressive force.
Not many might know who Usman Dan Fodio is, but for those who may not know about the man in question; Usman Dan Fodio (born on 15th December 154, Gobir - died 20 April 1817, Sokoto) was a renowned Fulani scholar, religious teacher, military leader, Revolutionary, Promoter of Sunni Islam and the core founder of the Sokoto Caliphate in Nigeria.
Not too many may know why this man's name rings a bell, but the few who know him can bear witness to the fact that he was indeed a great Warrior.
But according to historical records, Usman Dan Fodio was responsible for the fall of many empires in Old Nigeria; he was the one who put an end to the reigns of the Hausa Kings of Northern Nigeria; and he was also the reason why the mighty Oyo Empire fell.
Now when this man was done with carrying out a successful jihad in some parts of the Northern and the Western part of the country, he shifted his attention down to East.
BUT ONE OBA OF BENIN, PUT AN END TO THE RAGING ARMY OF USMAN DAN FODIO AND THAT OBA WAS NONE OTHER THAN OBA ESIGIE OF BENIN
This Oba (According to Historical sources) was recorded to have mobilized a massive army to face the invading Fulani Army of Usman Dan Fodio, even so that he was successful in the Battle that took place.
Many historians argue that Oba Esigie of Benin was the reason why Usman Dan Fodio's jihad was not successful in the Eastern part of the country.
It's important to note that some historians argue that if the Oba Esigie's army was defeated in the Battle he fought against the Fulani Army, Benin would have succumbed to the Jihad and other parts of Igbo land would have followed suit; ranging from the fact that the Igbo communities as of them were not as organized as the Benin Empire whom had a standing army and a well organized monarchy.
Benin never encountered fulani their armies were no match for the benins, their armys were still using swords and arrow with horses for warfare when benin already had canons guns, they bought
It would have been a walk over by the benins if the fulanis had encountered benin kingdom
Their empire was so weak it collapsed before the benin empire....
Softboy001: When u say things like this it will look as if somebody is not working hard. You have no idea what I have done or been through.
I have done some things(legal) just to survive But I thank I just got a job in a very popular firm in the country. As a costumer call agent.
The issue here now is the sexual tension am facing every day and my current job which I just started a month ago is not helping matters cos 90% of my colleagues are female. And you need to see what they wear to work.
My brother even if you don't want to be moved. You must move. Dem no born you well... Everyday I give my self pep talk on how to look but I still look. The sexual tension is much plus the fact that I have not had sex for 2 years now, the Same me that normally have sex back to back...
Right now am just thinking how I am going to survive those ladies at work on Monday and my dick Is already doing me somehow
And your moniker is softboy haba change am to suffering
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