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deltaprincess:
The first Oba of Benin was a Yoruba man, Oranmiyan. Going by your argument I think you have been invalidated.

Shut it

stayclearofme:
Lol.. not your fault you medication is out of stock.

Stay clear of me... Bro

ThatFairGuy:
You need to read broad. Whoever told you that lied.

Make enquires yourself

You need to read broader bro, leave the west and come to the south and see were Oduduwa was trained

Iamgrey5:
There was no Lagos when that oba was ruling.

He ruled over Eko which originally described a small part of Lagos island not Lagos state under the current arrangement.

And more fun fact, he ruled over Eko Aromire an Awori sub clan of Lagos which he met there.

There were vast areas of Lagos state in which he has no power over then and today

Ikorodu, Epe, ibeju, most parts of mainland which the Egbas and other Awori controlled, Badagry areas which the Egun and Awori controlled, the waters ways which ilaje controlled.

You're very shallow on Nigeria history benin controlled the entire lagos, tho her cultural influence didnt spread to all part unlike it did on some part.....

Benin were the first majour dellers on slaves in badagary.... Till benin influence left lagos completely in the late 17c


Am a scholar on benin history mind you

Lagos belongs to the benins and no acknowledgement should be giving to Yorubas in lagos they are just tenat

ThatFairGuy:
But Yorubas own bini

Ile ibinu transformed to ubini and the present Bini

Yorubas oqn which bini


Benins own Yoruba we gave Yorubas Oduduwa and the entire Yorubas were under the benin rule

The edo royals the oba of benin are purely edo blood.....

The word oba came from benin and infiltrated into the Yoruba lexicon through benin military campaign in Yoruba territories

samuk:
I don't usually like to get involved when compatriots start having a dig at each others in other not to be seen as taking sides.

However, let me point out few things.

1. Was there alliance between Oba Eweka 11, the Alaafin of Oyo and Ooni of Ife after the death of Oba Ovonramwen? I believe there was.

2. Was there any such connection before 1897? I can't find evidence to support any connection between Ooni and Benin but there was evidence of Oba of Benin and Alaafin of Oyo alliance.

3. Does your submission that claims that Oba Eweka 11 used to pray for himself, Ooni and Alaafin in the morning mean that he sees (Ooni and Alaafin) as superior? I don't think so, praying for people or other traditional rulers you are in alliance with doesn't mean they are superior to you.

4. The very fact that both the Benin Palace after 1897 and the Ooni subscribe to the Oduduwa story is enough evidence of an alliance between them in colonial times for mutual political gains, there is other evidence that I wouldn't like to disclose here.

5. There are no mentions of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin history pre-1897.

Number 3, i really wasnt saying the alafin or ooni was superior to the oba of benin never, i only used the quote to buttress my point on the political alliance between the Yorubas and edos

samuk:
Just incase you got the 1824 date from my writeup, let me clarify some points.

1824 was when the first Europeans visited the hinterland of Yoruba (Oyo) and started gathering first hand historical accounts of the Yoruba people.

Around this same time the Europeans also visited the Sultan of Sokoto, Sultan Bello, Sultan Bello had documented that the Yorubas migrated from the middle east (Mecca).

The Europeans that were in Oyo (the lander Brothers and co) collected a different tradition from that of Sultan Bello.

In both accounts, Oduduwa wasn't mentioned.

Oduduwa was a myth in some Yoruba traditions until some returnee slaves such as Samuel Johnson started writing the history of the Yoruba.

Samuel Johnson in 1897 built his Yoruba middle east origin on Sultan Bello's 1822-1824 narrative but unlike Sultan Bello that claimed that the Yorubas migrated from Mecca, Samuel Johnson argued in the direction of Egypt because he said there were no records of Oduduwa in the history of Mecca.

This is how a mythical Oduduwa was transformed into the Moses that led his Yoruba people from the middle east to their current location in Nigeria. Some Igbos did the same by tracing themselves back to Israel.

The Oduduwa story was built on Sultan Bello's 1824 unsubstantiated narrative.

What some of you propagate as history are mostly layers of lies told over time by different people and Yoruba history is full of these kind of narratives, they try to get away with it by telling you they were scholarly works by experts.

The so called experts need materials to work with and in most cases these materials are lies told over time and at the end the experts and professionals just help to further the lies to advance their careers.

The only true history are the ones documented by eyewitnesses who happened to witness what they wrote down. This is why Benin has no rival and a reference point.

Benin is the only significant kingdom/empire in Nigeria with such eyewitness historical accounts dating back to the 1400s, Yoruba eyewitness historical accounts started in 1824, the story of Oduduwa was created much later.

Yea this is a well researched carried out, not the baldman down here pointing fingers and calling people traitors because they decide to speak the undiluted truth that point fingers to the palace on their wrong doings

Truthvalue:
Please just shut up, you are the fakest commenter here, you evil impersonator. You are not Edo, stop pretending.

And you're the edo man indeed you're igbo,

Trying to get back at the Yorubas

Mugu i showed you a text were oba eweka 2 acknowledged the alafin of oyo and oni as superior in 1920 to further buttress my point you turned it to an insult by me to the benin royalty...

You keep discrediting fact without proves the last one you did was using racial slurs as your defense...

Sorry my dear

Born2Breed:


You are clown

Stop just stop before you disgrace yourself further. Your betters walked this lane and they are still as confused as confusion till date. Oni is not Oghene and Ife is not in the East of Benin.

Are you lots so daft or you are just being silly trying to change the map of the world by placing Ife in the East instead of West.

Ozuor!

I guess you made a mistake quoting me on this......

Simply visit my profile and topics before you start pointing fingers

Truthvalue:
Mushroom brain, there was nobody called Oba Eweka2 before 1914. Also your gossip paper which you seem to worship is not backed by any evidence. Either you are extremely gullible, either you are pushing this narrative on purpose.

Wiseman... If this will make you sleep well so be it......


You turned my harmless comment to a battle of racism, inferiority complex, all in a bid to prove your point....

Truthvalue:
Oba Eweka 2 wasn't king before 1914, his father (Oba Ovonramwen) was king then, idiot.

Actually nobody was even called Oba Eweka2 before 1914. What an idiot you are.

Crown prince, do i have to state the obvious, can't you think.. Before hand....

Ovaramen was on exile 1897 till he died 1914
Is not obvious that when i refered to eweka i was refering him as a prince

Truthvalue:
Your parents wasted their savings to train a complete slowpoke.

I guess i was wrong on the date never the less my point still stand....

That the benin obas sort the political help from the Yoruba, with their own doings... And not the gibberish you bald head is thinking


1920 meaning 6yrs after amalgamation

Truthvalue:
Look you are a slowpoke, you claim something exists then you say I have to pay for you to prove your claim ?
What a daft ...
Where is your quote of Oba Ovonramwen claiming Oni and alafin to be superior to him.
You are real waste of time. I guess you are the same as that foolish backstabber gregyboy.
As I already said, you are definitely not Edo. Nobody tells such lies against his own people !
Prove your claim or shut up, how glad I am to see you finally begging your cotraveller the yoruba obese troll for help.

Areafada, Etinosa1234

You're just bald

Truthvalue:
Incredible idiot, instead of claiming something exists, why don't you just show it ? You have a very big mouth. And you are dumb. For your information, no such thing ever took place. Idiot.

Also, Mr slowpoke, the Oba of Benin before 1914 is Oba Ovonramwen who fought the British, he was an emperor of a souverein empire ! I am waiting for your quote of Oba Ovonramwen saying "alafin and oni are superior to him"

In that period of time, see the following pictures of the oni and alafin and their palaces in that order.

And here we are talking about the Oba of Benin who had an imperial palace which merveled European visitors and whose furniture is still in western Europe and american museums today.

I said oba eweka you wiseman

Truthvalue:
Incredible idiot, instead of claiming something exists, why don't you just show it ? You have a very big mouth. And you are dumb. For your information, no such thing ever took place. Idiot.

Maybe i will allow Tao11 to bring it up, beg her she would gladly...

Am too smart for you bro,

Why not go and read up, the benin kinglist, and a reconsideration of benin and ife relationships by afc Ryde again. you will come across the quote therein

If you want me to do it for you, be ready to pay in dollars, 50 dollars bro

Abohboy:
You're trying so hard to rationalize your lies that it's sad

And after all points this was your counter...

When truth are spoken, liers become speechless

Truthvalue:
1) Ogiso, oduduwa, oranmiyan are myths. None of them ever existed.
2) the oduduwa story was invented by a "yoruba" polical group which was led by awolowo, in parallel an other "yoruba" political group created the story of olofin which is basically a rival myth.
3) Benin didn't seek any political help from the yoruba, if anything, the Oba of Benin was annoyed of being dragged into a myth which reduced his imperial might to being likened to small kings like those of oyo and Ife.
4) the story of Ogiso is a reaction to the story of oduduwa and oranmiyan
5) edeyoung, you are an idiot.
6) abohboy, you are also an idiot.

You talk like someone who just finsh inhaling shit....

Are you aware that were quotes of oba eweka11 acknowledging alafin and ooni as superiors to himself at 1920s.. This was the way the oba of benin sought their attention he needed

You're an idiot....

Abohboy:
How was it slave returnees? And Bini oral history very clearly states that your original lineage of kings or Ogiso were replaced with the Oba kingship title of the Yoruba and replaced with a Yoruba king Oranmiyan essentially meaning your royal lineage are partly Yoruba if you're so sure of your oral history do a DNA test on your rulers and see how it comes back it's impossible for a group as small as the Bini to have been the origin of the Yoruba people of 45 million plus spread across three countries it just doesn't happen


It's like England claiming to be the source of all European empires when we already know that their royal lineage is German

Ogisos were mere mythical expressions by bins that was told to the white men, benin never for once believed in any Supreme being above, they believed all Gods existed on earth before the arrival of the whitemen... And the deceased remained on earth to guide their family from harm, they thought nothing of the heavens apart from the fact it brought down rains and sun which they believed the gods of the earth controlled

The concept of ogiso by the benins was born out of European influences of Christianity that believed on heavenly kings

The concept of osa( God) was born out of thesame Christianity later on after the myth of the ogiso which came centuries before, at this time the benins had fully accepted Christianity as another idol in the kingdom and as they were told the idol king Jesus leaved above

Now the concept behind benin and ife relation began after amalgamation when the benin sort political help from the Yoruba to unite in one false history for political benefit of the edo and Yoruba people and the history of Oduduwa migration into benin was born as the cultural unification...

I watch animes and cartoons, and am still very loud as I use to but life don they humble that aspect...... Am almost 30

respect80:
You're just an unnecessary idiottt
So not condemning him for being gay automatically makes me a gay?

I also don't blame you, I blame your parents for training you to insult random people for not sharing same views with you.

If you support what stops you from indulging if it comes to you openly .... Gay boy

respect80:
Shame on you pastor!

I don't really blame you for being a gay, I blame you for taking advantage of this kids instead of looking for adult gay partners like yourself.

God name no d even shame some people.

So being gay is ok by you, disgusting gay

RedboneSmith:
It should be stated that Ubulu-Uku traditions do not agree with Benin traditions on how the war ended. Ubulu-Uku maintains that the war ended in a stalemate and Obi Olise survived it to reign in Ubulu-Uku till he died of old age.

There is a quarter in Ubulu-Uku today called Umuidu (Idu descendants) which was founded by some Benin soldiers that took part in the war. After the campaign failed (so says Ubulu-Uku traditions) some Benin soldiers, afraid to return to Benin and face the wrath of the Oba, decided to settle down at Ubulu-Uku and were graciously absorbed.

There is no objective reason why the Edo-centric version should be held to be the accurate version, and the Ubulu-Uku one as false.

Benin had the arm force to curb her vassal state if we are to research on this further we will see the lies

After waring a places the victorius soldiers stay behind to put things in order,

HillaryNelo:
i believe u don't mind those comments abv they don't mean wat they are saying . Spread the gospel to d world

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White man religion dey there dey worship oyibo God dey get hope say na universal God for everyone

He go shock u d last day

fados4sure:
Chilax they will send the code to your door step. Mine took 28 days then

Mine is taking more than that, do i have to put my exact location and please did you use app for it, or through your browser...

Please someone should help out!!

I have tried getting a verification code for my goggle ads account, am yet to get any, dont know if i have to stay at the spot i used for my location before the code can arrive or am i to go through the billing first before they send me the code.. Am yet to make any payment yet because still getting not verified notifications

Cc mynd44

Please anyone with an idea should help out thanks

Please someone should help out!!

I have tried getting a verification code for my goggle ads account, am yet to get any, dont know if i have to stay at the spot i used for my location before the code can arrive or am i to go through the billing first before they send me the code.. Am yet to make any payment yet because still getting not verified notifications


Please anyone with an idea should help out thanks

Fezz:
This link isn't responding

Text me on whatsapp then 0*8'1*1*3*0*5*6*4*6*9 i will be waiting for your message, every edo deserve to know the truth behind this political myth

And why its always not adding up, there is much to explain to you

For you to understand this you must be vast in yoruba history and benin history too

Fezz:
I wouldn't necessary say the Benin/ife is a myth. It's too early in the game for you to jump the gun and go public in exposing anything online. You need to be sure beyond reasonable doubt before you make such a conclusion. The only part in history I believe everything turned upside down was when the Ooni status was elevated to number one king in hierarchy. He shouldn't be on that list because he's not a direct son of Oodua.

Peace would have reigned if they announced the oba of benin as number one king in hierarchy because his royal stool seniors that of alafin of oyo. At the end of the day, the oba of benin was betrayed and that is why he asked for Midwest to be established. He made up his mind from that time that he will not take the yorubas as his brothers again because he saw through their plan of robbing him of his royal status as the number one king in the south.

I advise you to be patient because the truth will unfold itself very soon. It's all moving in the right direction.

Let's talk on telegram, if you're not scared to here
Truth click on d telegram link I sent you let's have discussion on this topic