Alabo7978: Fool, I'm not screenshoting, you just skimmed through it. He mentioned the igbos were good at industry and trading and because they moved about, their languages became spoken in the other coastal tribe. He also said the ibos there are were slaves who were not born there or at atleast ibos brought FROM THE HINTERLANDS. He also said the Bonny language was the mother tongue. They call Igbo land igbinni which was filled with great forests and mighty trees, rich in crops like maize, rice, palm oil, elephants. He also said the Bonny canoes navigate up the river to go and buy these things as provisions for the coastal inhabitants who don't grow all of these. (Even my grandmother in the 1930's - 60's was well known in my community, she takes her trading canoe and Moore in up to ndele to sell crafish and periwinkles and other sea foods, then she use the money to buy garri, ugu leaves, palm oil, maize etc to come and sell in our ama) They also say they are warlike and rapacious and wild. And the Bonny man will say 'iboman Wawa too much" Translating to iboman is very wicked.
You can't read, so you subjected me to stress myself to pick out what your eyes should have caught. You're a fool for stressing me.
it is not his fault. You didn't post the direct link where you got this particular extract from
Igboid: Essaka is Isieke today in Ihiala, some say Ashaka, but Ashaka in Ukwuani has no culture of having Ich marks(Mberenchi) . And he mentioned that he is "Eboe". He mentioned about the Mberenchi( the Ichi mark bearing Nri People), who were known in Bonny as Beretchi.
Olauda noted that his people measured years in *Ah-foh* ie Afor which means years in Igbo.
Infact you have no point. I see what you are doing. You hope to derail this thread.
Yeah, he should not be given the opportunity to derail the thread he can open another thread.
Putindbutt: You now sounding like a clown. Are we now left with personal inferences?. Well, isn't what most of you have been doing for the most part of the thread.
I am going by your very own statements. My assumption is based on what you are saying.
By the way, here is where he was born. In Ashaka (Anioma), Delta state, close to Isoko.
I only wanted you to display all your ignorance first.
BKayy: If what he described was Etsako then Etsako will be considered as a thick Igbo town. He did not mention a name but described, days, market days, names of things etc.
Please focus on the title of thread, we are talking about Bonny here
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It is now called Ashaka. it is in Anioma. Don't mind the guy.
GreatBoss: They are Ibani Ijaw people. Ndoki was Aminadokiari meaning we were looking for our relations. The white couldn't pronounce it and called it Ndoki. Today Ibani dialect will still say Waminadokiari. Meaning same thing. The relations they had missed and we're looking for was Bonny people.
Lol na Ndo-Oke/Nd-Oki (in their dialect) na em you turn to amananwbahwgwbauaianagahajajafajakagdnrjrhrbrjro5bri?
Ndokoro, Ndoni, Ndokereke and the rest in Abia state, arochukwu and Abam especially will be
Alabo7978: So you posted this stuff and your clown liked them. Y'all are not smart at all. Those people are robbers, it doesn't mean all of them robbed. Most times some dubious men usually Rob trading boats of other clans. It also happened between Nembe and kalabari which resulted in the Nembe-kalabari war of 1862(but market rights were the main issue though) And consul Hopkins judged it, so my dear, in every civilizations, nation, country, there has always been robbery sect, this doesn't hold water at all. Throw that away.
So, at least 5-10 different writers had the same description of ijo men specifically and all of them did not know what they saw?
This is another person again in the 1800s, compare it to how Igbos were described in the same century by Johnston.
Igboid: So you have no document to present to show where the colonials called Bonny or Opobo Ijaw? Even when the Colonials compiled list of words used by all groups in Bonny for everyone to see if they mislabeled them by looking at the words each group used and compare them to today's equivalent, you still come up with the above thrash? Are this intellectually challenged?
The colonials who were so meticulous that they could differentiate Igede from Idoma and even noted the existence of Idoma and Igala in the town called "Ette" in Enugu, could not tell the difference between Igbo and Ijaw, two languages that are worlds apart?
Are you really this dense?
Well, they have been like this for a while. See their representative in Sierra Leone.
Alabo7978: Nigga like I mentioned, The Dutch and the Portuguese long before the British dealt with the coastal people-my people, they bought cam wood and cotton in their numbers and their reports were more accurate than the confused English writers who only came in the 19th century. Let me ask you a question, if you passed through the university. Have you ever written a project work and you sourced for references only for it to be returned back saying it wasn't correct? Perhaps you got them from 1970 project work and was wildly thought to be true but over the years it has been seem to be false. That is how you bkayy, igboid, and the other clowns in your group chat seem. Even the British has discarded those reports to be wrong but still you are masturbating to falsehood, and you claim you're an intellect? It's a pity. And biafrarep wants to bring those to court? It's like defending a thesis from wrong and outdated source. Lol, major clowns.
This is not what Ijaw ancestors were doing here though. Here they were stealing, doing piracy and disrupting civilised trades.
Why not upload the dutch documents let us see.
You cannot even read a simple map or even interpret English texts, now you understood what is in Dutch texts?
GreatBoss: If Opobo are Ibo that means Bonny is Ibo or Ndoki is Ibo. These three areas, due to the influx of Igbo people to do business, and they started speaking Ibo as language of trade now Igbo speaking is common in d area. The new Central dialect being worked on by the Lovers of Ijaw Nation Organization in preparation for Ijaw Republic will settle that nonesense Ibo speaking. Both Bonny Opobo and Aminadokiari (Ndoki) are all of the Ibani-Ijaw Subgroup. Im from Bonny LGA myself.
Alabo7978: Shut up motherfucker. I was looking for you. Ajayi crowther became the man the British had wanted for so long. An intellectual BLACK MAN who can appeal to the locals to get the fact right not some white men looking to make money from tales from Africa. That is why this report is the basis of every information. That is why you can't find all of those contradictory stories from money/fame hungry white men. For example;balkie called Nembe brass men(an offshoot of ijo) Horton called Nembe Igbo. Do you now see why all of those reports are very fake and unauthentic? Even the British crown realized that and binned all of those stupid reports under the command of Queen Victoria and she sent consuls to work with black men(crowther) to get reports. Now Mr 10 years dumb land grabbing nairalander, explain why baikie and Horton are contradictory to themselves?
^ You are calling someone else dumb, you could not even read a map.
Putindbutt: I don't want to sound pedantic as you do. Why would he have to belabour us into assuming his origin when he could have easily told us he was ibo? What makes you think other sources are wrong?. what makes you think his Virginia origin was not true?
what makes you think his Benin origin was wrong? What makes you think the claims from other Africa countries like Sierra Leone wasn't true?
I do not think he minced words when he said he was Igbo. He even stated the name of his village which can still be found in Delta state, present-day Anioma. He said "Benin Kingdom", meaning that Benin probably received royalties and tax from that area and therefore would be the right administrative term to explain the area. Let us assume he meant Benin. Are Igbo people not born outside of Igboland?
Do not go to their group with these materials. rather identify the ones who know their history. There are loads of them. They should be the ones reading this.
GreatBoss: Don't show us lie write up created by Ibo.
Koelle, S.W. (1854.) Polyglotta Africana, or a comparative vocabulary of nearly three hundred words and phrases, in more than one hundred distinct African languages. London, Church Missionary House
This is the source. I understand you people are not very intelligent.
Biafrarep: I have been on nairaland since over 10 years but I must say that this thread is probably the most educative and expository thread I have ever seen on this forum. It's quite unfortunate that many people have believed a lie for years now without even making an effort to find out the truth.
Ijaws have absolutely no case in their landgrabbing attempts on Bonny and Opobo because these places have been proven beyond any reasonable doubt to be Igbo people since recorded history!!
We must keep this thread going while also bringing forth every material/exhibit we can lay our hands on. You're already doing that already, and we must take it from here and also intelligently go to Facebook groups of Bonny and Opobo people and present these facts to them. The reason is because many of them are unfortunately ignorant of these facts and their true heritage. The ijaws are now desperately exploiting this situation to impose a foreign language and culture on them. If the youths of Opobo and Bonny are made to know about these facts of their history, they would be more emboldened to challenge ijaw incursions into their land.
I bet you, there are many ijaw members of IYC and their other groups who are always alarmed and uncomfortable when their lies are exposed. Please if you have any link to Bonny and Opobo Facebook groups, you can share it here too so we can help to enlighten them.
Trying to force Bonny people to abandon the language of their forefathers and learn a foreign one is the height of desperation by the Ijaws and for them to even contemplate it shows the extent of brainwashing that has been going on.
in Opobo, an overwhelming number of them know the truth. In Bonny, the Ijaw preaching and propaganda have been there for years however, an overwhelming number of them know the truth. I believe it is them that will do this mass healings and undoing of miseducations. However, theirs is a very simple case, you do not need too much effort and you do not have to fabricate history, because the records speak volumes. Someone from Bonny actually explained the Biafran war incident and how they suffered and looking for help while Adaka Boro plundered their land with the federal forces.
Alabo7978: you said that is a map of Igbo subgroup, but I am seeing Abak, eket, ikot ekpene, Explain this. Have you seen why even the British threw away that report? Similar report which Horton said Nembe was Igbo, now those clowns are including Abak, ikot ekpene, eket, and you wonder why the information isn't what you see on various information repository or even the British archives. Nwan'nem you are a fool. Come on take this stupid rubbish out of my face.
Hmm! The Ijaw intellect!!! Well, bro, it is a pity, If I need to start explaining map reading to you. Everyone with an IQ above that of a monkey could see the bold highlights demarcating the boundaries. It is a standard practice in mapping to show the boundaries to the west, East, North and South of the boundary in focus.
Do not be like this your brother recorded by Koell here in 1850s
Putindbutt: Lol, is this how you guys think?. Did you have an idea why he was referred to as " self-acclaimed west African"?... I bet you didn't.
I know you are looking for just anything at all to discredit anything Igbo but just to correct you.
Not one soul doubted Equiano's account for 100s of years until an overzealous English man in 1999 by the name of Vincent Carretta, who is a closet slavery denier and sometimes apologist criticised and publish something related to Equiano's account because he claimed he saw a record of someone bearing a "similar birth name" in Virginia.
BKayy: Their only option is to turn it to an insult fiesta so that it will be deemed as a thread of emotional outburst but we've showed them mental superiority.
They tried to start one with each of us not knowing that we understand the game.
Ignore that Alexbell guy. I am convinced enough now that he does not possess the mental capacity to embark on whatever course he is on.
He writes as if he is existing in another dimension and do not understand basic text and cannot really decipher simple real life examples.
Let's ignore him, writing on the thread will dumb down this knowledge filled thread.
@slayerforever, Bkayy, Igboid. This thread must not be closed by any admin. It is one loaded with knowledge and discoveries. Some of these guys are already seeking for a way to close it.
One thing I have come to understand is that people hardly change in their core values/worldview, probably because they're genetically wired to be like that. So, I don't think it's unique to Ijaws, because same way they've always had tendencies toward violent armed robbery/militancy and arson, is also same way Igbos have always had business acumen and superiority complex. I was shocked when when those foreign explorers emphasized that Igbos during those era believed they were of a superior ethnic stock.
Historically too, the Ibibios/Efiks aside the normal conflicts that was prevalent back then, are relatively peaceful just like they are today.
In the North, the Kanuris and Fulanis that are harrassing others all over Northern Nigeria through Boko Haram and herdsmen respectively, have always been like that too! These two groups would be terrorising all others on horsebacks. That's also what they're still doing today, albeit with modern tools like AK47 and bombs.
Also consider that in the past, while there was near anarchy in the Yorubaland and ironfist monarchy in Bini, Igboland was relatively peaceful with a decentralized authority. It was the peaceful coexistence in Igbo territories that largely resulted in huge population density.
My point is that, if you check all these factors, you will realize that every ethnic group have mostly retained their core identities over the centuries! This is the reason why I warn that anything that will make Igbos to share a smaller country with Ijaws must be stopped at all cost. Otherwise, we will end up having another South Sudan scenario in our hands.
If we must break away from Nigeria, then we must go alone or at most align with the Akwa-Cross that are peaceful in nature just like us. Otherwise, we remain in Nigeria and slug it out. I pity any group that will share country with Ijaws because it will be war without end.
"The past is key to the future"~~ George Santayana.
You are not far from the truth. One of those explorers in the 1800, mentioned how "Fulata" people (Fulani) were lying to ambush people around today's Benue or around Kwara or Kogi. I was like wow, just like today. Concentrating on Igbo, these accounts by Beale Horton (1868) could summerise some of the Igbo character (either positive or negative). It states that they could copy anything and reproduce it immediately.
Igboid: Interesting, I figured as much. Ibibios assimilated them. Makes sense, they were Ibibiod people themselves.
Thinking of it, I wonder why Ibibios couldn't rise to the occasion and unite all Cross River Ibibiod people in Bayelsa and Rivers together with Annang and Efik into one mega ethnic group.
I guess we Ndiigbo should be grateful to Igbo slaves in Sierra Leone and to the likes of Olauda Equiano, who started our reunion,and then the likes of Zik, Osadebey and co who consolidated it.
Yeah! it is interesting.
Again, it helps that Igbo groups already had so many cross-cultural and cross-economic or some kind of shared influence and of course the mutual intelligibility of the language. Like the Nri priests or the Aro priestial duties all over Igbo land and beyond. The inter tradings etc. and the diasporan slaves as you mentioned.
The ibibiods should have had the opportunity because it was already recorded by John Adams (1823), Captain Crow (1831/2) and Landers, Baikie etc that these groups were called the Mokos or Mocoes.
Maybe if the fathers of the Ibibios or their ancient diaspora tried enough, we would have had a strong powerful people known as the "Mokos" or the Igbo name "Mmoghu".
Igboid: Either this or the Ottam were another proto Cross River group Indigenous to the area currently called Ndokiland, and Bonny, and Opobo, that the Ndoki people assimilated when they arrived the area.
In which case, the Ottam no longer exists today, but exists in the blood of every Ndoki man. Just like the Neanderthal never went on extinction but were rather assimilated by the homo sapiens we call Caucasians today. So they continue to exist but inside the blood of Caucasians.
Igboid, Slayerforever.
I think I found the otam. They are now spelt as Itam. Some have merged with Ibibio, while I guess some some Igbo (or not).
Their chief diety is called, Awaitam and they celebrate Awaitam.
Many of them merge and identify as Ibibio today while maintaining the Iran identity... their land stretch towards Ndoki and even towards Bende and Aro.
I think they are dispersed. Maybe someone from there can throw more light.
oooohhhh!!! I before I forget, I remember having a discussion with someone from "Item" pronunced as "Eetaym", he said their ancestors experienced an influx of migrations and mixed with people from "mmoghu" people, refering to people from Cross-Rivers and Akwa-Ibom.
GreatBoss: This shows how u guys know nothing about Ijaw.
Is like saying Asari Toru and Akuku Toru are both not of Kalabari-Ijaw.
If Nembe is a tribe, it would have been formed by Nembe and Brass people.
A Brass man can say he is a Nembe man and he is fully correct.
Nembe-Ijaw Subgroup and Kalabari-Ikaw Subgroup share boundaries with each other. And these two could speak with each other from now till forever without changing to English. Nearly 100 percent same thing.
Don't forget that Alagoa is Nembe. Even Diete Spiff that sent all ibos packing from old Rivers State, from Brass, Nembe-Ijaw Subgroup.
I am not talking as Brass and Nembe as a people... but I was telling him to be careful, because Brass and Nembe are now administrative names also. It might interest you to know that there are Ogbia, Kugbo and Abureni people in Nembe and Brass. These languages are different linguistically from Izon for example.
Brass LGA and Nembe LGA are not homogenous... However Brass town and Nembe town is a different matter.
Now we can see there are even Igbo speaking communities in a place where a big sit of power resides.
9Pluto: Are you sure this is Nembe in Bayelsa State or Neni in Anambra State? Please, we would need someone from Nembe or someone who lives in Nembe to confirm if this clip in from Nembe and if those guys are truly Nembe youths.
If it is certified they are Nembe youths, then we seriously need to question who are the Ijaws?
Interesting questions on quora would include? Who are the ijaws? Their history/origin, when did they first appeared in history, most importantly, what is there language? etc
If those are truly Nembe youths, then recent Nigerian historIans are a disgrace or I daresay we do not have historians in Nigeria.
I can imagine the damages or propaganda that would have been peddled pre-Internet age.
I think this is Brass. You can then check the king's town. In the past, Nembe was in Brass, although they are different people. Today, Brass and Nembe are in different LGAs.
To narrow this down, the question will be, what is the name of that town or area. You may end up in a different linguistic area if you try to explore the whole or two LGAs.
Igboid: I just noticed that Nkissi, Amitsh and Oss in the list were not listed as Igbo ,but their words are Igbo words. Biko any guess on who the Nkissi and Oss were? I'm guessing that Amitsh is Amichi (in Nnewi South of Anambra today).
The group recorded as Fernandian( I guess these ones came from the Island of Fernando Po to Bonny. They called man "Bobi" could this be where the Ph slangs "Abobi" for man came from?
You are correct. The book is free on Google books too as I can see.
Biafrarep: It didn't actually start today, foreigners as far back as the 1700's called them "teeth filling cannibals" who lived almost entirely on their boats, terrorising neighboring communities and market people. With violent robbery and murders as their way of life!
They have continued to exhibit such tendencies even till today!!
this is the experience by another explorer again. You are not far from the truth. 1. Experience from John Adam in 1823.
ThickSharon123: I said I talked with this guy today, he was asking for a date. The guy is not even in Nairaland. I guess it isn't good to do this nairaland shit becuase I embarrassed myself before the guy. How would a lady for the first time, tell a guy, "you're classified under Ijaw or Ikewere?" I guess the guy thought I'm crazy, but I turned it that I'm a history student so I'm doing a questionnaire of that sort.
I was like eleme is classified under Ijaw, or Ikewere, the guy was angry, it was totally shameful. (And he's fine sha, Igbo guys I salute)
I told him there is a platform called Nairaland that Ijaws keep saying Eleme and the likes are ijaaw and all. I was recording him on voice note unknowingly. I thought I'll post it here so all of you would hear it. But this platform doesn't consider it. I was so embarrassed becuase it made me feel childish contesting his identity.
He was even trying to tell me how they came from imo, and how they are related to people from Imo trying to make me rub mind with him.
You are probably right. A section of Eleme people are from Arochukwu. Eleme is a mixture of Ogoni and Arochukwu, that is why they do not accept the Ogoni tag. As we stated earlier, their old name was "Mbolli" or "Mba Oli". This was what Aros call them and how their name was represented in history books. It is possible that the guy you were talking about is from the Aro side of Eleme. Igboid, Bkayy, Slayerforever check this invite. It is public so no stress.
BKayy: They say half knowledge is worse than none. This terminology from Ajayi Crowther was posted here by Ekealterego but you drunks have been carrying up and down without knowing the meaning.
The meaning is that Bonny assertion that they are from Ndoki is true and the evidence was Okoloma which is in Ndoki, Igboland.
Have any of you bothered to ask Ekealterego what happened after this page? Or bothered to look for the book? No, just jumping up and down with the crumbs that fell from Ekealterego's research table like monkeys. You drunks eh...
"Half Knowledge is worse than none"
It shows the difference in intellect.
9cloud Here is an account, This is by Captain John Adams (1823). He had a similar account with Crow, detailed but an earlier report on his Bonny exploration.
Eastlink: Yeah, I noticed the Alensaw. I guess the writer made use of our suffix name instead of Egbema. Egbema Alinso
Yes, sure. These ambiguities was what people like Baikie tried to clear in their own report. Baikie recorded how a women from Abo went to Aro to seek for help with child bearing and she passed through "Igbema".
Igboid, Slayerforever, remember my first theory on Okirika and Wakirike? As in Wa Krike? from the word, "Creek"? Wa creek, "child of the Creek". This is an appendix from Baikie
Politics › Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo(UBANI) People Facts Versus Fiction by Ekealterego: 10:51am On Dec 01, 2021
