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WhizdomXX:
I have confirmed what you said urhobo's are actually in Edo state in organized villages like Orhonigbe. And in Ondo the Urhobo's are settled in towns on your way to Lagos.
Meanwhile Ijaws are still located in Warri downtown.
Isokos are located in Patani.

There are some Isoko and Urhobo communities in Bayelsa too.

Allen102:
What Is Wakirike island? there nothing like Wakirike island,if you don't know what you are talking about just keep shut.
Wakirike people are not mixed anything,we are 100% ijaw people. Any non ijaw in Wakirike are foreigners who don't belong there.

There is absolutely nothing like 100% Ijaw, Ijaw is a political franchise.

odionsilver:
this is a lie they are recognised as ukwuani , ika Ndowka and igbo.. I am not against you grouping them as igbo since they are igboid. for fairness group the edoid as one. no more divide and conquer tactics

The grouping as "Igboid" is merely a political statement. The language is basically a continuum and dialect rather than a different language. What I mean is that there is absolute mutual intelligibility, each can speak in their own dialect and still have a conversation with someone from the SE for instance but can you do that with Urhobo and Bini for instance.
Again, the "Edoids", Urhobo and Isoko, have chosen to go to their own separate ways instead of working together; It's not the Igbo people's fault but rather, the politicians in these areas.

Note, the politicians playing state politics are more responsible for these divisions and they lead this charge to the traditional rulers, who take these division sentiments to the populace. At the end of the day, the interest is about power reaching politicians in these subdivisions. They only seek a "united tribe" when they now need the numbers.
Look at even the Delta North, very disunited because politicians have made it a point to emphasise the little differences in dialect. It started with the "Anioma" movement, now everyone is looking for their own backyard. Every politician fighting for powers and "independence".

To the Benue issue, I am sure that the differences between the Igede and Idoma are further magnified by politicians from the Igede quarters who are seeking for power and relevance, and these mandates are pitched to the traditional rulers who then further pitch and sell it to their subjects.

SOFTSKILL:
Osu bad belle

Iya re ati awon ebi e n'le.
Don't you have your kinsman's head to harvest?

Over-edited pictures. Until you get there, you will realise how the waters stink and full of human feaces.

dienyefy:
There have been arguement of bonny origin for quite some time by a few set of people with little or no background in history..

Most of this clowns love to use the likes of Captain crow document to ascertain their claims....

Before crow voyage to bonny their already existed other voyager s and their own account of bonny..

Would like my follow historians to check up baike document on its voyage to bonny.. Let it be know and proper research be made that baike first got to bonny before crow and the rest..

Among the document cited by the author of this post whom am commenting under, a snippet of baike document is used for reference to back his claim..

Please dear readers kindly go to baike document and read from page 335 upwards it will be noted that while the bonny claim an igbo descent that the language spoken in bonny then was quite similar to that of the Kalabari and in no way close to that of the igbo language....

During the time of baike voyage to bonny the slave trade using bonny as its port was still in its tender age as opposed to the arrival of Captain crow..


The following are key reasons why thou bonny have genetic link to the Igbos due to marriages with free born and slaves over time doesn't make them igbo..

The Igbos pride themselves in having heritage similar to the Israelite... I belive a good number of you would have heard of such tales.. The Igbos v always know to circumcised their male born as a tradition..

Circumcision started in bonny only after the introduction of Christianity to bonny as opposed to the Igbos who had it as an inherent culture already.. Even during the slave trade the Igbos still carried out circumcision while the bonny people never did.

Prior to the tales of King awusa Halliday and kind Pepple the bonny have always refer to its Kings as amayanabo rather than the popular igwe often use by the Igbos to refer to their king.. And during the transfer of power from Halliday to Pepple it wasn't just but two Kings but rather 4kings were involved.. Contrary to the lies told by the Igbos.. Bonny rulership system was shared among the duawari (founding father) in exception of brown/tobin who ruled over juju town(finima) kindly check crow for reference.

Power was rotated among the bristol, Halliday, greens and tolofari(check Susan M. H) for reference.. Power only shifted from Halliday to Pepple but prior to that bonny have always refer to their king as amayanabo.

The Igbos v never been a shy one in naming their locations with igbo names but yet no part of bonny have any igbo names.. Bonny is refer to okoloma meaning town of curlew... No igbo tribe in Nigeria refer to curlew as okolo, u can kindly check ur nearby forestry and wildlife department in any university and quote me wrong.. The only tribe that call curlew a name similar to what bonny people call its are the brass people..


It's true that bonny have igbo masquerade so does the Andoni, calabar and most riverline communities but does that make those communities igbo?

The people of bonny have never claim ownership of masquerade that ain't theirs, you can go to YouTube and you will see the date the masquerade was initiated among the masquerade dancers. But still among the bonny masquerade will do have our set of unique masquerade that's its like cam never be find in any igbo settlement except among the brass and nembe tribes..

Most people argue that why is bonny speaking igbo as a major language and I simply ask them to check reasons why most languages could be endangered.. As of during the slave period bonny and calabar exported the highest number of slaves in African and majority wia Igbos.. The high inflow of Igbos to bonny during the Trans Atlantic period resulted to most people in bonny to learn igbo..

Even the aborigines of places like Jamaica had its language nd culture influence by the high numbers of igbo slaves brought to Jamaica how much more bonny with its little population..

Go to the west and you will find states that look like variant version of yoruba due to the high number of yoruba slaves bought their..

One can definitely tell someone who is not very bright from miles away.

After digging mountains of ethnographically researched works and events written on the spot, blow by blow, Crow was how you summarised this whole page.

Now, go back, read page for page and read this thread and stop taking us back.

We have gone past all these your Alagoa theories with mountains of facts.

Thoh:
benawei, just nak am dis truth for head..

guy, truth hurt, stopped diverting away from truth my man.... See how igbo secret just open waaaah like ashawo toto,,,,
Many ethnicities that join form the political igbo have speaking up...

Ethnicities that join formed the igbo that speak up the secret..
Ikwere...
Anioma..
Onitsha...
Nsukka..
Now afikpo and abakaliki of ebonyi..

More ethnicities to speak up..

Political igbo will collapsed for next 6 years

Well, are you giving me more evidence why IYC, and INC is a political party? Forcing people who do not speak the same language with you to form a new PDP and not an ethnic group.

Ijaw is only in 4 LGAs in Bayelsa. Ijaws are not even in the Capital.

Know this and know peace.

Ijoh:
Keep quiet.

Who are you to say who is ijaw and who is not

Better focus on your landlocked dot circle south east.

Mr Aboli's son, AKA Captain8

Go back to your creeks and look for people who speak your language.

Alabo7978:
dude you speak out of ignorance I swear. Andoni are ijoid, yes they have an ibibiod element due to this closeness. we will talk about why Onitsha do not call God chi or chukwu like the other igbos but call God olisa(orisa) you succeeded in dragging them and we will talk about it later.
Andoni is actually idoni-oru and they are of the isedani lineage, and THEY KNOW SO you're a fool I swear. there's this Andoni babe I buy fish from in large quantity and because she knew I'm Nembeian, we also formed a raport, they're slight Language similarities with the other ijaw clans too. take your daftness and swerve. you can not divide us. God and hug transformer.

You are not very bright. How is Obolo language Ijoid? In what way? Obolo is not even in same language family as Ijaw.

Obolo is more of a mixture of Ibibio and Igbo language than that caveman language called Izon.

Alabo7978:
"IYC is a political franchise" "IYC is a political franchise" "IYC is a political franchise" IYC is a political franchise" "IYC is a political franchise" "IYC is a political franchise"
please is Ohaneze'indigbo not a political franchise?
is abia state not a political franchise? what about the other Igbo states?
infact is Nigeria not a political franchise?
political franchise the lastest vocabulary in the draft of your medula oblongata.
saying Andoni isn't IJAW, dumb human being, then we can say Aro isn't Igbo too, we can say ngwa isn't Igbo, we can say ebonyi and the northern Igbo kingdoms aren't igbos.ogbori'nama, na to use abalaba flog your mkpuru'mmiri head.
Andoni people who are from the isedani lineage of izon you come dey mumu YOURSELF.
ignorance.

please come to the creeks and come and grab, we go deep you inside salt water till your eyes red.

Every Igbo group you have mentioned speaks Igbo as their native language.

You see groups like Andoni, who speak a lower Delta Cross language with Efik and Ibibio in their Bantoid family have no similarity with Izon, a language and people different from any other language.

IYC and INC is not different from APGA and ANPP. The only difference is that you need 100 hungry people to drink Ogogoro to join.

RobbStark:
See how you wan kee yourself on top any thing Ijaw. I can feel your pain bra.
The last time, you n slayerforever with some other miscreants here said you guys are coming to claim bonny n Opobo, I tot by now, the film for don start. What happened?? Are you guys scared?? Or are you guys afraid of the water around us.

Only a foooool wud stay in his hut hiding from ugm be typing that bonny n Opobo are Ibo lands. Na laff I dey laff una.

Ijaw land can never be conquered and we will show you how it's done when the time reach.

IYC is a political franchise. The Ijaws are found in Bayelsa.

Deal with the fact.


Any 100 people can come together to enter the franchise today if they feel they need to band to agitate for pipeline security Jobs.
IYC and INC is a political franchise!!

Tele Renner Ikuru was an Andonni man. His language was not in any way Ijaw, he communicates with Akwa-Ibom people clearly, showing his affinity with Ibibio people.
Tele Ikuru is not an Ijaw in any capacity. Face your 4 LGAs in Bayelsa.

Anonymous15:
why are you counting from 1999?? Rivers state that was created in the 60s with founding fathers who are ijaws, but you are counting from 1999.
My friend go far to and in the midst of your dot territory and drown inside ezu river, nonesense.

Were Ijaws not agitating for a separate state where they can control and grab people? You were given Bayelsa and there you have made it a point to suppress the identity of minorities.

Any attempt to identify themselves for what they are met with Ijaw intimidation and suppressions.

Now, you have taken your madness to Rivers.
Since democracy in 1999, where people were given the power to elect real Rivers state indigene, the majority, Igbo and Igboid speaking groups have taken charge.

Ijoh:
But they are the IYC President and the Ijaw National Affairs Commissioner.


Epie is a subgroup of ijaw.

Didn't you see where I wrote that IYC is a political franchise?

Even the constitution states that the only requirement needed to join IYC are just 100 people.

IYC is a FRANCHISE and not an ethnic group.
Epie, Engenni, Attisa are all Oguan people who speak an Edo language. Not similar to Izon or Ijaw in any single way at all. They are not the same. Neighbours? Yes... Some mutually borrowed cultures are neighbours, yes, but never, ever Ijaw migrants from Sierra-Leone.

Ogbia do not speak any form of Ijaw language at all. Even Bayelsa state government recognise these groups as distinct people on their official website.

IYC and INC is not an ethnic group but a franchise.

Anonymous15:
Check the name of the 4 past president of Nigeria and "THAT WILL GIVE YOU ALL THE ANSWERS YOU NEED ABOUT WHO THE MAJORITY ARE"
Igbos aren't amongst them, I wonder where they got their fake census from, that aside...


Rivers state main founding fathers include dappa biriye of Bonny, diette spiff of town brass, Alabo melford okilo of ogbeyan, his royal majesty king Francis O Alagoa; Amayanabo of nembe-ogbolomabiri, Alabo Godfrey amachree of wakrike, Alabo opuagulaya, JUST TO EVEN MENTION A FEW.
The Igboid speaking groups are ONLY EBERI/OMUMA and ETCHE.

Do not come here ALL THE WAY FROM osisioma to say what you know nothing about at all at all.
Stop mis informing the public because RIVERS STATE SINCE ITS INCEPTION HAS BEEN SYNONYMOUS TO THE IJAW PEOPLE AND WHENEVER I INTRODUCE MYSELF BY MENTIONING MY NAME TO PEOPLE IN THE EAST OR ANY PART OF NIGERIA, THEY ASK "are you from river state?"
And I say "no, bayelsa"
They all say "ITS STILL THE SAME" and I nod my head in agreement because it is true.
MR EKEALTEREGO, DON'T COME HERE WITH YOUR PROPAGANDA TO CAUSE DIVISION. STICK TO THE EAST I AM WARNING YOU.
NO ONE HAS COME TO DISPUTE THE AFFINITY ENUGU AND ANAMBARA SHARE, SAME WITH ABIA AND IMO STATES.
YOU BETTER KPOR WELLA AND LET YOUR PROPAGANDA REMAIN FAR BECAUSE IF YOU CARRY AM ENTER THIS ENTITY, YOU GO COLLECT WOTO WOTO

Bayelsa was created for Ijaw and some minorities.

IYC is a political franchise.

All the governors of Rivers state from 1999, all have Igbo and Igboid names.

So Ndoni, Egbema etc do not speak an Igbo dialect?

Guy, go and face your 4 Ijaw LGAs in Bayelsa and stop grabbing lands.

ruggedtimi:
ikwerre people are not Igbos...Like you saying A nupe man is hausa man because him dey answer Musa...Do you know Andoni or bonny?... All these people are ijaws.

Andonni are never and will never be Ijaws. Andonni and Obolo and Oro are all Ibibiod people and they speak an Ibibiod language and not the strange Bayelsa language.

Even in Bayelsa, the owners of the capital are not Ijaws but rather Epie and Attisa.. These people are Edoid people and never the strange Ijaw people and language.

Bonny, except for Finima speak Igbo language till today and not Ijaw landgrabbers.

IYC is a political franchise and not an ethnic group.

NuclearReactor:
Please name the local govts under ijaw

There is hardly any true Ijaw tribe in Rivers state. Bayelsa State was created for Ijaw and some other minorities in 1996.
What they cal Ijaw there are just an agglomerate of minority groups who banded together for oil agitation and of course Ijaw people used it as a franchise.
The closest you can get to any Ijo speaking people are probably Kalabari (who would deny this in your presence) or Okirika people.

The majority in River state is Igbo and Igboid speaking groups and then maybe Ogoni.
Check the names of the past 4 governors from 1999, that will give you all the answers you need about who the majority are.

akilo1:
Ekpa in isoko language in Delta means fool

Different spellings and pronunciations though.. When this Ekpa is spelt correctly in Igbo alphabets, and pronunced, you see the difference between the two.

mehn
Omenkalives sure would be having an orgasm over this gory views. His masters strike yet again.

It is high time these Benue communities go beyond prayers and protests, they must tackle these issues headlong!!!!

Igboid:
You have a snippet of the Darker 1905 book?
Post it here and the other main Opobo and Bonny thread.

Yes, I have the Darker book

Darker, G. F. (1905). Niger Delta Natives: With Special Reference to Maintaining and Increasing the Population of Southern Nigeria. Journal of the Royal African Society, 4(14), 206–225. http://www.jstor.org/stable/714818
The link is at the end.
A similar description of Jekiri (Itshekiri)

Check out the highlights on Opobo.

He clearly without doubt named Opobo, Ibo, even with live pictures to legitimise his claims.
CC: Bkayy, Slayerforever, Eastlink, Eastibae, Ofoigbo, 9pluto. Come and see evidence with pictures before 1905.

Igboid:
Ekealterago.
Another good material here.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1778485?read-now=1&refreqid=excelsior%3Af5f1e99ce420241777bf54f7579fd5d7&seq=31#page_scan_tab_contents

I marked the relevant part. "Opobo and Bonny Ibos".
Yet another independent author Ijaws are going to hate in addition to Basden, Captain Crow, William Baike, Arthur Glynn, we now have A.E Kitson.

Thanks, a worthy addition.
Interesting that Darker in 1905 made similar observations.

Lovely.

OfoIgbo:
This is Nnewichi, the last born lineage of Nnewi town

Igbo kachaanu!!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vptwXLuDYcA

Lovely mix of nature and bricks.

You just woke up this morning and decided to give people high BP?

This is not cool Nwanne.

BKayy:
What if he has no idea?
We don't actually know the kind of people we engage here. Some are not exposed at all

Well, one can tell Alabo7978 is not the sharpest tool in the box. Maybe he is playing a character, a dumbbb character, who knows?
I remember uploading this text on Opobo and he bungled the simple plain interpretation.

BKayy:
You are welcome, our Ijaw worshipper.

Aro-Igbos were really merciful on these creek guys. Healing and civilising the savages just because they were being worshipped, served, and given total servitude by the Creek Ijaws. Imagine how disease-riddled and infirm they would have been?

Alabo7978:
But I thought you and your clowns maintain kalabari to be Igbo?
If they're Igbo, why Dem come dey corrupt "UBANI" as you said??
JANK23H robbstark putindbut let's see how he answers this.
Ekealterego SlayerForever Igboid biafrarep bkayy you can also help him create A LIE out of this.

Bro, I cannot go in circles, we have discussed and given enough information on this Bonny issue... except there is no information that you on the Ijaw got to provide 60 days after tearing you apart on three to four different threads.

Stick to the topic you opened. I was even willing to pay for some books to help you with whatever wild goose chase you are on with your Ijaw-Egypt connection. I could not get the book on the Yoruba comparison studies yet but I have made progress.

Slayerforever, Igboid, I was banned by the anti-spambot, I wanted to upload the information on the Igbo maritime prowess.
Edited
@Vintagepipes, thanks for the upload.

Whenever Nigerian government want to deliver dangerous news, they use an Igbo man.

SlayerForever:
The casual allusion that the Igbos didn't live near water is a fallacy that will soon be destroyed forever.

I will provide the quote soon. I think it's from Allen 1841. The water abilities of Igbos. There is even a drawing of the Igbos on the Niger.

Alabo7978:
You're right owei...

It is very known that wherever there is a river, an ijaw Man isn't far off at all.
The greatest ever sailors and navigators of all the water bodies even as far as Liberia and beyond. We are definetly the Vikings of Africa.
The igbos stayed far off from the river and did more agriculture, but Ekealterego SlayerForever Igboid biafrarep bkayy eastisbae Eastlink want us to believe the igbos are affiliated to the water bodies.
If not tell me why the Oguta people ALWAYS call on ijaw people of kalabari to come and settle land dispute and overlooking their nearest neighbors?
Orlu might also be Oru who knows?

Vikings had great blacksmiths, arts, philosophies and conquered vast territories and also kings on lands. Vikings were not doing rudimentary Stoneage fishing. There were Igbo kingdoms that were famed for their ability on the waters. Laird and Oldfield in the 1830s commented on the commercial and agricultural power of the Igbos in the Rivers.
Again, in those days, those creeks were less desired and almost inhabitable. That is why the population of the creeks are still scanty even today.

And for this topic, if you added a reference and compare arts and archaeology, it will help your hypothesis further.

Did the Ijaws migrate through the Nile River? How did they jump all the way from Egypt straight to the southernmost tips of Western Africa? If i am to guess, the Ijaws were more from the West, from around Sierra-Leone. They have similar culture to the Kru people.

There is a textbook written about the Yorubas linking them to ancient Egypt. The author made a compelling submission by comparing Yoruba old arts with ancient Egyptian arts. A very compelling book. However, I read this book in a library like 7 years ago and I do not know if they have an electronic version and I cannot remember the name of the book exactly.
When I see it, I will recommend that you pursue this comparison system to find answers, it will somewhat solidify your postulations.

Igo9:
When are the Igbos coming to Opobo and lay claim na?

Do they have to claim anything. Igbo is the native language of Opobo and not a Gbaramatu language.

Alabo7978:
chai God in heaven.

keep shooting yourself on the leg like you did on that document that reveal Igbo slaves in Bonny.

open your eyes and mind and read that excerpt.

"certain waterside men have inland farms the Opobo man for example. this depends however CHIEFLY on the tribe to which the waterside man belong. the Opobo men are IGBOS IN RECENT ORIGIN... NEVERTHELESS, the Opobo man are a WATERSIDE PEOPLE"

The meaning of nevertheless means (HOWEVER IN SPITE OF)
which translates to "no matter what, the Opobo person is a waterside person"

I'm sure you were at the bottom of your class from nursery 1 to college because your brain isn't built for understanding at all, and you mentioned your dumb clowns and they gave you 6 likes because they are braindead too.

are these the best heads of the Igbo people on nairaland??
this is shameful Mr OKOLOMA(young handsome man, fine bird fly away, old french work,oculo)

Ehya, Cry well so that the google algorithm can show how dimwitted you are. Go on, make a fool of yourself and put your Low IQ on display.