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Igboid:
If Yorubas were as senseless and non strategic like Igbo Leaders starting from Zik to modern day Governors, the Ijaws would have since claimed the entire ONDO sea coasts.

But Yorubas made sure to keep them in check.

They were also checkmated in Lagos seas coasts too.
It's sad to admit, but Yorubas always had more strategic and foresighted Politicians than we do in Igboland.
The average Igbo Politician doesn't think beyond stockpiling funds from his state or constituency to go live in USA, UK or Canada.
Important group survival issues is non of their business.

It's a pity, this is what we have to correct.

It is also the, "we are brother mentality".. Yorubas have never had to do any dealings historically with Ijaws.. To Yorubas, they are just a pirate group living in a distant land and with no link or much relationship. So, they deal with them with no emotions attached.

Yeah, it is always decisive and devastating.

Igboid:
You have time for the Bayelsa man.

LOL. I am just wondering if cge changes villages every year or month. This time around he is from Bonny.

ThickSharon123:
I believe Ijaws are grabbing this or taking advantage of Opobo and Bonny because they desire to take the full power of the coast. I assure you of there was no crude oil or sea that people use to trade, you'll see Ijaw calling them Igbo people.

They want to ask over all the coast from Lagos to Opobo, perhaps they'll move to Akwa Ibom soon, and begin to take a weak part of their family to take advantage on and begin to tell them stories from hell that they are Ijaw and Ibibio stole their land from them. .

We all know, but the funny part of it all is, if you have all the coastal waters what do you do with it, except you want to be collecting surcharge from we are the hinterland. Why? It doesn't make sense. I believe that's Ijaws main motive.

Lagos and Ondo had luck that they didn't bring Ijaws in, in their lands or they weren't close to them, if not Yoruba's would have been having this stress.

I remember the war they had in Ondo state over land as they were fighting Ilajes for land there.

ThickSharon123:
I believe Ijaws are grabbing this or taking advantage of Opobo and Bonny because they desire to take the full power of the coast. I assure you if there was no crude oil or people didn't use the sea to trade, you'll see Ijaw calling them Igbo people.

They want to take over all of the coast from Lagos to Opobo, perhaps they'll move to Akwa Ibom soon, and begin to take a weak part of their family to take advantage on and begin to tell them stories from hell that they are Ijaw and Ibibio stole their land from them. .

We all know, but the funny part of it all is, if you have all the coastal waters what do you do with it, except you want to be collecting surcharge from we at the hinterland. Why? It doesn't make sense. I believe that's Ijaws main motive. They know Igbos are main trading people, so this is business and Opobo and Bonny are hot spots.

Lagos and Ondo had luck that they didn't bring Ijaws in, in their lands in large number or they weren't close to them, if not Yoruba's would have been having this stress.

They are already in Akwa-Ibom. They have claimed the whole coast up to the entry ports of Calabar.
They go one town after the other. Usually, they go for water and oil. Two criteria.

RobbStark:
I have never for once said I am from Bayelsa.
Pls do post receipt if I have.

I am from rivers state. Not Bayelsa.
Bayelsa is mother state cos there, we have true n true Ijaws.
You can say whatever, I really don't care.
It changes nothing on ground.

You all can win the online arguements but, we the real winners are owners of those land and there is no contest.
Normal online cruise.
Continue

So, I want to get this,

You claim Bayelsa (now it's your mum)

You claim you are from Opobo (now it's your father

Just over a month ago, you claim you are from Bonny.

RobbStark:
Bayelsa is mother state, a state that is purely Ijaws.
You can call me anything I care not.
Whatever make you thick, do it.

Lol. Today you are from Bayelsa, the next day you are from Opobo.

RobbStark:
If you claim to be from bonny wen you are Ibo, it won't be long your true colours wud show like paint that is dried.

E no dey hide.
I am from Opobo town, Cookeys Compound.
My name is Idawarifa.
You can find me all time in Opobo at Lady Bs spot at the waterfront, sipping my ogogoro with fresh fish from the water. You know how e dey be.

Oga we have known you for centuries on this thread.. Embrace your Bayelsan ancestry and stop denying your orgin.

ThickSharon123:
Someone should open an Igbophilic Facebook. I don't understand, are the indigenous Bonny and Opobo Igbos not using the internet? Why do they allow these Ijaw people speak for them, even delineating their true born language and calling it nonexistent?

Bonny and Opobo men and women you have a proud history, your forefathers would have rather died than let their language go. That is why they lived in that propserous conclave with the Ijaws at the west and Ibibio at the east. But none of these tribes could influence them, other than that, they influenced them. You can see how your Igbo language or Igbanni language is powerful.

You need to speak for yourself, and the 45 million Igbos would stand for you and you earn your respect as the true born of your lands.
You are not alone dear Bonny and Opobo Igbos, the Igbos would stand and fight for you, you know Igbos, we don't cower from a fight no matter the century wait, we would stand with you till the end. Love you all.

Chukwu gozie gi umunna

The Opobo and Bonny is obvious to us because they are Igbos, the Ijaw pirates are trying to wipe out the identity of all the small subgroups around that area.

Some of the small groups are resisting seriously. They have an impreliast agenda, but that's not our problem. Fine, if they pull it but don't intrude into Igbo territories. We don't joke with our brothers.

DitariDisciple2:
Landlocked dot circle Biafra.

You posted a picture from an "Ijaw Facebook group" to prove what exactly?

Eastlink:
Bringing facts here on Nairaland is a right step in the right direction, but more needs to be done. Such as.
1. Inviting Bonny/Opobo people to Igbo the cultural gathering as was the case with forgotten Ahajioku festival held in Owerri.
2. Informing Ohaneze or any Igbo group to open up Igbo associations in Bonny. Getting King Pepple of Bonny and King Jaja of Opobo endorse these pro-Igbo Ubani unions.
3. Sending an Igbo delegation to visit with Bonny/Opobo.
4. Sponsorship of Igbo language competitions in Bonny.
5. Opening of Facebook groups where Igbophilic Bonny/Opobo indigenes are admin. This will help to counter the guerrilla warfare being financed and sponsored by INC/IYC.
6. Supporting Pro-Igbo Bonny/Opobo sons like Dakuku Peterside for Governorship.

Truer words, have not been said.

9Pluto:
Please, what is the title of this book.

It is amusing that all historical artefacts points at an obvious ijaw revisionism. I still ask, where were Ijaws when this story of Bonny and Opobo was been documented from way back 1800? Were they so invisible to be documented.

Someone is now so bold to claim Perekule ancestry and trying to supplant the indigenous language.

They are trying to eliminate any trace of Igbo in Bonny people. IYC keeps intruding their threads, threatening them to abandon Igbo language.
You can see that the Ibani people are not having any of that.

Truthvalue41:
Ika, Anioma are all Edos, none of us is Igbo ! I can't wait for a civil war to finally break our again so that we can give you guys (southeasterners) a well deserved lesson. It is coming ... I suggest we redo a war against the southeast every 10 years to keep the memory fresh and avoid the usual disturbance and chest beating of the deluded Igbos.

Edo man looking for trouble. Not that most Igbos care much about Ika some of their villages are still under Benin PTSD. Pre-independence. Survey and population census carried out around the 1920s and then republished in this book in 1950. Almost 100-year-old fact but this is a thread for another day.
Bkayy, Slayerforever, this is the document you were talking about.

Anonymous15:
You don't have talk

This document by pepple and crowther ended this debate a long time ago.
Dr koeller burried it.

Even your baikie in perhaps the only research he put effort in showed the counting system, and you're bringing the captain of a ship who's only duty post is the Atlantic ocean.

Come, abulo, I have supported my already true notion with pepple, crowther, koeller (a German) baikie (an English)
That is 4 people.
Bring four people who worked in Bonny and not some slave vessel transporter.

I know they said, your people were incapable of producing anything except for Ogogoro but please, make the thing rest. You are only confirming with Baikie that Okoloma people are from present day Okoloma. Thank you.

Here is another reconfirmation of Crowther's effort.... The same Crowther in my snippet you are reposting.

christistruth01:
JC Taylor was not was not with Ajayi Crowther the first time he went to Preach at Onitsha

The Itsekiri who spoke Yoruba and Pidgin had already been trading with Igbos for Centuries so finding interpreters wasn't even a Problem

I mentioned earlier that Crowther came in 1854 for the first time, and Taylor 57. I was only correcting that Taylor had his own independence rather than him working under Crowther or a subordinate.

christistruth01:
Ajayi Crowther was the first to Preach the Gospel at Onitsha, Aboh and Asaba
He brought JC Taylor to Onitsha Later

Technically, J C Taylor came with him. J C Taylor was mostly sponsored by Igbos in Sierra Leone.
He preached too when he came, so yes first preacher but J C Taylor established the first church. J. C Taylor was a contemporary and not under Crowther.

Either way, they both did great. It is however a shame that they later had a strained relationship

ruggedtimi:
read well my bro....AJayi crowther was the first African to preach about christianity to the Igbo people...About 8-10yrs later J C Taylor built the first church in igboland.

Technically, not accurate. Samuel Crowther came with Baikie in 1854 to do ethnographic. However, in 1857 J.C Taylor who was his contemporary came with him in 1857. However, J. C Taylor opened a church first in Onitsha and then Crowther at Bonny.

ruggedtimi:
I know for sure ajayi crowther was one of the first locals to spread Christianity across Nigeria.

Make Una no rewrite history. J.C Taylor even opened the first church.

IgbosDestroynSA:
Na Yoruba man even give this people Christianity! Damn.
Yoruba go far o.
Why we con de drag with this people.
Well we go soon colonize them. Na aid we go take colonize igboland

Although Crowther was great, but he didn't bring Christianity. Many missionaries from same Sierra Leone had worked in Igboland already. Rev Taylor (Igbo origin previously based in Sierra Leone) was working at Onitsha already and did a lot of research on the native religions and beliefs.

Bkayy I think I found what you were referring to´but I just have limited access.

Igboid, I found the result of the story I was talking about - King Pepple requesting through a letter to the queen that an Igbo bible be created for his people.
Fejoku
OfoIgbo
Slayerforever

This is how the Union Bible was created, Bonny Igbo was even collected first.

Here comes another bomb.
Source: The Ibo and Ibibio-speaking peoples of south-eastern Nigeria,
Author: Daryll Forde; G I Jones
Publisher: London, New York, Published for the International African Institute by Oxford University Press, 1950

cheruv:
Exactly...
The Yoruba were known to the Europeans as àkụ́... It is only the Yorubas of Kogi State that retain the name, albeit in the alternate form of ọ̀kụ́n

Sure, PROUDIGBO
This is the reason. The Oyos were the ones called "Yarriba" by the Fulanis.

However, it is outsiders that call them Akus, especially in Sierra Leone where they were taken as slaves and other continents. Also, in some colonies, they were called "Lukumi" or "Olukunmi".

The Akus (Yorubas) were able to keep their identity in Sierra Leone and Gambia and till today, they are still known as Akus there. They are a minority group there.

Alabo7978:
So how does it explain what we were earlier discussing?
From whom did baikie get his information?
Read the end of the excerpt, he said "he heard it from..."
Baikie's work is fallacious and that's the reason even encyclopedia Brittanica didn't mention it.
There are so many wrong information.
I'll advice you people to stop masturbating to baikie's works which has been weeded from the British national library.
Nigga, I have another university degree in library and information science.
There are wrong and outdated information which are only discovered later on, and the library weed those materials out.
Baikie's works weren't deep and extensive as he only interviewed the igbos.
Horton even contradicted him by saying Nembe/brass is Igbo.
Below is the accurate one.
I didn't fall for your trap oga.

I thought you all are intelligent, using wrong, obsolete and fallacious texts to shove down our throats.
Spits*
Look at the accurate record given to us by Ekealterego who was probably in the throes of somnambulism.
If the British information personels were satisfied with baikie and Hortons work which contradicted themselves, they wouldn't have sent crowther to get this fact.

In Ndoki

Bkayyy:
This is why I am asking for that Eastern Regions parliaments screenshot.
Alot of things need to be explained here.

Please Ekealterego, dig deep into your receipts and help us out with it.

This is all I could find. I do not think it is helpful.
This is 1961

Bkayyy:
This is why I am asking for that Eastern Regions parliaments screenshot.
Alot of things need to be explained here.

Please Ekealterego, dig deep into your receipts and help us out with it.

I could not find it. What are we looking at specifically?

9Pluto:
Why have you been hiding this literature while watching us run our mouth endlessly here?

Let me rephrase.

Why hidest thou this noblest of literature from thy Ubani kinsmen?

This is the MOST explicit record for me. Imagine I didn't even see this when I was challenging the entire ijaw to a live debate on their revised history.

This is an alternate neutral account from the one I started this thread on.

All opposing arguments so far, has been mere conjectures without any historical reference. Notice how names or words are continuously twisted to give a different meaning. I keep laughing when I see Opobo spelt as Opubo, then Opuboama.
I hope you guys also noticed the final blow to the Perekule claims as Pepple in this post.
I first noticed in Crow's account,that the assigned English names has no bearing to the indigenous names.

This account still mentioned the same Brass people in the original post, different from Kalabari people and not a single mention of ijaw.

The last attempt at revisionism was to change the Ebanne language and they almost succeeded, unfortunately there came a coconut head generation of igbos to stop them just in time. I think the preceeding generation of igbos owe this generation an apology. But they are forgiven since they didn't have Internet access.

This literature should be posted EVERYWHERE that matters.

Please, fully reference this book. The name of the book, the author's name and date.

Ladies and gentlemen, it took us several days and 33 pages on nairaland to arrive where we started. I think we have come to the end of this debate.

cc
Slayerforever
Ofoigbo
igboid
Eastlink

Your Ebanne igbo ancestors would be proud of you guys.

P.S: Someone can now tell the dubious author of we are all sons of Perekule to wipe his fallacious behind with that piece of thrash.

Just in case they are trying to say it is fake. He is it again.

Title
Narrative of an exploring voyage up the rivers Kwóra and Bínue (commonly known as the Niger and Tsádda) in 1854. With a map and appendices. Pub. with the sanction of Her Majesty's government. By William Balfour Baikie.

By
Baikie, William Balfour, 1825-1864

PAGE 335

OfoIgbo:
Alabo, thanks for falling into my trap.

Now I have attached a piece wherein Dr. Baikie made it quite clear, the ancestry of Bonny indigenes. I hope this will clear all doubt, especially as you want to rely on the Baikie name.

cc
Slayerforever
9Pluto
igboid

Brutality.. I was seriously looking for this page.

Igboid:
Izons still doing pirate activities in Bonny Waters in 21st century.
Somethings never change. The more they change, the more they stay the same.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dz2DjqkDmFjo&ved=2ahUKEwix_v76gMX0AhX8kokEHVowCdYQtwJ6BAgdEAI&usg=AOvVaw0GCDZZ7p3UeAaSRJ5EyB6W

Still pirates? Some things never change.

These are 3 different accounts.

cheruv:
I'm looking for this particular book... How do I get it?

Is it the book by Koelle? talking about the ijaw guy?
It's called "Polyglotta Africana". It was also super difficult for me to find. If that's what you talking about.

peleson1:
This photo was taken in 1895..
No Igbo person ever had his or picture taken this way with names..

Read the screenshot history...
These people could speak,reand and write in English
No single Igbo person understood English language then, neither we're they schooled.
They started going to school after 1930s.
How then could u tell our story?

Stop talking rubbish. This book was published in 1864. narrating what happened in 1852. Read carefully, I don't know why most of you display crass, mind-blowing dumbness.

In the one I will upload, you will find Baikie speaking with a guy he met at Onitsha called "Odiri" in 1850s. He replied Baikie in English when Baikie wanted to know where the cloths are produced.

SlayerForever:
Is Awka still this good at smithing?

Oh! I don't know about that now... Smithing then was more than a profession, it was a tradition, with long line of family heritage.
The next page of that book showed how Awka people were fighting to keep their tradition and the families came together to create a union. I am not sure they did

In advanced countries, they would have kept a museum, with samples of their works preserved and labeled for future generations. Even if that tradition dies, the artefacts and specimens will serve to immortalise all their sweats and blood.

izac82:
Eleme is not Igbo. They speak a language that is very different from Igbo, despite sharing boundary with Obigbo.
Eleme is a part of Ogoni. Stop acting like a typical land grabber you accuse others of.

We have trashed Eleme long ago. Although they are a mixture of Aro and Ogoni people, we can't say they are Igbo, although their names are a mixture of Igbos and Aros even today. They used to be called "Mbolli" on pre-colonial and even colonial records.
This is the reason why they don't also like being called or want to identify with Ogoni.

We can't say they are Igbos, except maybe those who can still accurately map their family trees and want to identify. We trying to force it on them, will make us no different from Ijaw landgrabbing.

An important element is the language.

Igboid:
Still doesn't mention Ijaw presence in Bonny.
So how does it help your claim to Bonny?

Another one again!
1848. John Clarke.
9cloud
Bkayy
slayerforever