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Walkee:
read the article I quoted. He specifically said Agbor was was derived from the word, agbon meaning world. Igbos don't call world or people agbọn it's Edos that call world or human being agbọn

I know what you mean or what the article says, however, people from that area sometimes theorise the meaning of their place names wrongly and displayed in the article.

Agbor/Abo/Agbo is literarily in almost every local government in Igbo land. Igbo place naming patterns especially in that area do make default reference to physical geography (relief) of the area or position of a place in reference to a settlement.

In Delta North for instance, many of the place name patterns follow that trait.

Oshimili (River), Igbouzo (Igbo by the road), Enuani (upland), Ukwuani (lowland or "foot land", Akwukwu Igbo (Igbo by the side), Elugu (hill), Agbor (down or farthest) and Agbor reflects this, given that it is basically almost the farthest "Igbo speaking" groups towards the border with Edo state. (I use Igbo speaking, because the actual political/ethnic identity is divided).

kmcutez:
I have no idea. I think Irri is a number in Isoko. Might be wrong. Not sure about Ada.

Ada is 100% Igbo word, I am sure you know that. You must have seen 1000s of people by that name.. Ada means, "daughers of the land or sometimes title for the first daughter.

Irri/Iri is a number in Igbo... Ada Irri becomes 10 daughters.. Numbers is a very common place-naming pattern/tradition amongst Igbos. Some of the 1000s examples are Mba-ISE. Mba - ANO, Umunna- ATO, Isuikwu- ATO.... These are known places and the capitalised words are numbers.

kmcutez:
I asked her to clarify and she said Isoko people were not the original people. She said the original people were the Aboh people. She said her mom is Aboh and her dad is Isoko, and that village is her mom’s village. That is where the dad met the mom. In that clan in Delta state they speak both Aboh and Isoko, and the 3 remaining clans in Rivers state speak mainly Aboh. Hope this clarifies issues. She said her mom’s mum is Isoko and her mom’s dad is Aboh. My dad is from Ada Irri, Isoko South LGA. My goodness this is too confusing for me. She kind of hinted that Isoko and Aboh people have really mixed over the years, so most of them have Aboh and Isoko blood.

There is nothing to be confused about. This is common with "Igbo" tribes at the border... Similar dynamics happen in Arochukwu... they even have some Ibibio villages, some are billingual in Igbo and Ibibio.

By the way, "Ada Irri" is 101% an Igbo word....or can you tell the meaning or etymology of the word in Isoko?

IDENNAA:
Calling people clannish simply because they want to preserve their culture is very ignorant and inconsiderate. This line of thought usually come from people who have little pride in their culture or liberal minded. As you know , I am a purist and want to preserve the Anambraic culture. However, that doesn't diminish my strong and unflinching loyalty and patriotism to Igbo land and her people.

I have noticed one thing about my fellow Igbo here , whenever I expresses my Anambra pride you guys mistake it for superior mentality or that I am dividing Igbo land. This is a very bad misconception. From Anioma -Anambra-Enugu-Imo-Rivers-Abia-Ebonyi Igbo culture varies and it is your duty to protect your own culture including dialects. You will never catch me dead writing Igbo Izugbe. My thinking is that language evolve naturally like what happened in Enugu where they literally speak Anambraic dialects and Southern Anambra who are fast changing into Anambraic speaking patterns. It's better than to sit in a room, manufacture language and force it down our throat, in the case of Izugbe.

If you want my support and continued alliance , please respect my culture. Daalu nu

Respect for unique cultures is a given but standardization of Languages is also a global phenomenon, especially in One-language countries...

Walkee:
what the fucck is this one trying to say? He said Agbor is from the word Agbọn, I said the word is an Edo word. Do you all have brain seizure or something?

Don't be angry, you were not clear enough with the quote you referenced first and it is ambiguous... You have to know that on Nairaland, there are many people who rather come to attack the Igbos for no reason rather than contributing constructively... I understand what you meant with your post.

However, Agbor is not an Edo word... There are 100s of communities and villages bearing Agbor either as a suffix, prefix or stand-alone name on the eastern side of the Niger... The problem is that most people live in a bubble.. Many examples exist, from Agbonta, Agboukwu, etc.

Igboid:
Ok. I understand better now.

True.

There is a Town in Abia North at the boundary between Abia and Akwa-Cross River. The town is named Nkporo. Nkporo means Buffalo in Ibibio language.
The people were given the name by their Ibibio neighbors because they had many fights with their Ibibio neighbors when they first settled there and the Ibibios remarked that they fought like Bufallos hence gave them the name.
The people had since retained the name as their town name, even though the name is Ibibio and the people are Igbos.

By the way, are you from Ika?

Nporo people are still stubborn and incredibly strong till today although a bit like the less successful in business and till today... They are part of the warrior clans like Abiriba, Ohafia, Edda, and Abam from around that area.
Although the Abiriba and many Ohafia communities have had very very great people like Eni Njoku, Ebitu Ukiwe, Ojo Maduekwe, Kalu Idika Kalu, with loads of people in entertainment like uche Jumbo, Ruggedman, J. Martins etc. Nporo seems to be a little behind but their socialization and pride in their culture are just as strong as anywhere in that area.
Nkporo people In Aba or even Lagos, usually live together in an area and I bet you other groups are afraid of them cos you better not mess with one of them but on the other hand, they are very very cool... The Nporo people will travel in chartered "Gwongworo", "911" lorries in those days, (I do not know about the last 10 years) with their mattress. bed frames and pillows and buckets, etc (I did find this hilarious). The Abiriba brothers do find these heavy logistics traveling a lil bit embarrassing since those ones are usually richer on average. LOL

Some of the Cross-Riverians definitely have some Akwa-Ibom or Cross-River mixing... In Ehugbo (Afikpo) some of their names are just unique to the place (Idu, Eleje, Ibiam, Igariwey, Otti, Ukpabi, Ukpai etc). Abirba people claim to be from somewhere from Bahumono and of course Aro, Abam and other Igbo mixing, (There are a lot of places called Ebiriba or Ebiribiri in Akwa and Cross)... They have the unique culture and dancing and pride in their autonomy but one thing that contrasts these people with the Igbos in Rivers for example is that they are some of the most passionate about the Igbo consciousness... They see their culture as a contribution., not only to themselves but to the Igbo Nation and they will tell you any opportunity they get.

Igboid:
I'm looking at "Ipu". Like: mkpuru osisi na-epu.
To sprout/germinate/grow.

I'm interested in what they call it over there.

Yes I Know about the A to E switch.
They have it in most Enugu dialects to.

Abuo is ebuo/ebuno in Nkanu(Enugu dialect)
Ato is Eto

Efele (plate) is "Afere" in Nkanu
Efe (Cloth ) is "Afe" in Nkanu
Aka( hand) is Eka.
Akwu( Palm fruit) is Ekwu

Many Igbo dialects have that A to E and vice versa switch.

I know that in Bende area, they have this Gwe to Gwo switch.

For example "Igwe" is actually pronounced as "Igwo" by some Bende clans,but for sake of pan Igboism, they will still spell it as "Igwe".

I believe it is "Ifu"..

Igboid:
Interesting.
What do they call "plant germination" in that dialect.
I want to check something.

You mean "Ochucho"? "Afifia" becomes, "Efifia".

I just know that many of the "A"s you see in general Igbo or even existing in the spellings of their names, they pronounce it as "E".

"Arochukwu", becomes, "Enruchukwu",
Abiriba = Ebiriba
I know they will call, "Akoli" or "Ozuakoli" as "Ekoli or Ozuekoli"

Not all words though, I know "Abam" is still "Abam

Igboid:
Interesting.
So "Ufu" is a dialectical variance of "Uru" and "Uhu" ?

Yes... 100%. Just like people from those areas would say, "Ifu" (Face) instead of Ihu or Iru.

SlayerForever:
I will be honest. Sometimes in my private moments I try to imagine what the Igbo society would have sounded like a thousand years ago. I always imagined that if I were to suddenly appear among my ancestors I would not understand them fully. Or maybe at all. Even many practices I would witness would stun me.

I could tell this would be the case because of our place names which we Igbos of today can't decipher. Secondly, I know for sure languages evolve. Some words are dropped entirely whilst some that never existed are added. Some pronunciations modified over ages etc etc.

Mind boggling!

That's all languages. Look at English for instance too...


Funny enough, a few days ago, I listened to some old village rendition from Agulu, recorded around 1911 by Northcorte.... It will be interesting to have someone from Agulu examine how the dialect have changed. Although 1911 is just about 110 years ago though. Some of us must have witnessed great-grandfathers speak.

Igboid:
Yes. That's a post colonial Igbo word for them.

In precolonial Igbo era, they were called Olu/Oru.
Ask any old person in your village, they will confirm that for you.
Language is a living thing and is continuously evolving.
Check out how Uno/Ulo/Uyo/Oro depending on your dialect, has displaced the more ancient Igbo word for homestead "Uru/Uhu", from our daily usage.
Uhu/uru are only preserved in the names of our towns and villages. Hardly do any Igbo dialect use it in every day conversation these days.
Language evolution caught up with it.

"Uhu", "Ufu" is still very much alive in some places in Abia state, I believe.

In Old Bende, (Bende, Ohafia and Arochukwu LGAs) the word, "Ufu" features well in their everyday language..... "Ufu", home (ancestral home/father's home) is used as the opposite of "Mba" or "Uzo Ije" in some cases.

People who live permanently in the ancestral village/town are called, "Ndi Ufu" by "Ndi Uzo Ije".

Sometimes, "Ufu" is also used as the opposite of "Ama"... Ufu is where the homes/houses are located, while "Ama" is the village square.

@slayerforever... in Abia state for instance there are villages called Akoli-ufu, Okpo-ufu (Okpufu).

thatigboman1:
my wife is an ogbaru woman. Her people call us from hinterland 'ndi igbo'. I wonder why.

I can tell you that most Igbos call other Igbos, "Ndi Igbo", many just dropped this habit less than 70 years ago, while others continued to this day.
The Izza-Ezza and Ngbo in Ebonyi state and many other groups refer to Igbos from other states as, "Onye/Ndi Igbo"... when discussing amongst themselves but Igbo when talking to "Non-Igbos"...

it's like some sibling who will refer to their mother as "mama (insert siblings name)" as if the subject is not their own mother too.

Igboid:
AGBOR, AGBOR COMMUNITY, BASIL OKOH, BRITISH COLONIAL, COMMUNITY, EDITORIAL, IKA HISTORY, RELIGION, TOP NEWS
AGBOR IS NOT IKA
NOVEMBER 29, 2020 UCHE MITI
– BASIL OKOH

Only a bastard answers to a name given him by strangers. He has no father to give him a name and so takes the name given him by strangers.Agbor has a name “Agbon” (The World), given, according to our mythology, by God Himself. For more than 4,700 years of continuous history and habitation of our land, we have borne that name in our community and wherever we go. Agbor is the name of our land and the language we speak.

Ika” is not the name or pseudonym of Agbor people. “Ika” is a name given by a renegade British Colonial Officer in 1936 to the vassals of Agbor kingdom, to spite the reigning king Agborbu of Agbor after an altercation. The name “Ika” was given to divide a once united people in the old Agbor Kingdom and whittle down the power and Majesty of their king.Ika is the name given to those vassal communities to create an identity for them different from Agbor. Ika was never meant to identify or describe the people of Agbor who already had a name and an indisputable identity.

Ika is the name given by a stranger and has no history or meaning in Agbor language and traditions.

No Agbor person alive was ever told by his parents that he is an “Ika” person. Ika is not a word with any meaning in our language or was it ever used in Agbor lore’s.

Anybody writing the history of our people and using the words “Ika History” is engaging in Fabrications and fraud. No place in that neighborhood was ever known as Ika before 1936, less than ninety years ago.

Agbor history goes far beyond 2700 BC and by implication beyond the present Dein dynasty. Dein dynasty since 1270 AD is the third dynasty in Agbor history and so far, the shortest.

Anybody involved in the promotion of “Ika” in Agbor is engaging in chicanery and deception for political gain. No Agbor person ever introduces himself as Ika. It is demeaning.

Our Local Government is named by the Nigerian Government as Ika South. We did not name the Local Government. We are Agbor people in Ika South Local Government Area. Nothing more.Agbor ni’Igidi oken ali.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/wazobianigeria.com/2020/11/29/agbor-is-not-ika-2/

I told you this a 1000 times, Some Agbor people can cut your head if you say they are speaking, "Ika".. and true, in reality their dialect is significantly different from the others... In fact, all of them speak a significantly different dialect.
Agbor people believe they are the head of that area and Ika means, "Integrated kingdom of Agbor". They believe the rest to be mere subjects but not the same as them. This is however, when it is convenient and not in politics.

As for Ndoni, they are just same people as Oguta.

Tranquill:
You are the one that is digging yourself in.

You are angry that hypocrites like you are being exposed.
I still remember when I said you are from Abia State, you were angry and replied me with insults. Is it not because you feel Abia people are inferior to Anambra that you claim you come from?

Abeg go siddon.

Guy, I don't believe your IQ is above two digits... You need some suppliments for your brain or some medical miracle... You could not even pursue your mischief with just one simple push. What low intellect! Tufiaa!!!

Juliusmalema:
We have stated it clearly here than ebonyians are not igbos and Umahi has affirmed that.

Give any historical appreciation that supports Igbo origin. Most of them are northern migrants.

This Abookii guy, go back to your Sahel and leave Igbo people alone. Start by getting a job.

Igboid:
Not really.

Other parts of Nigeria have blackmailed the Igbo enough with Biafra.
It has become logical that the only way we can get Biafra politically is by dropping/denying Biafra.
It is a paradox.

Umahi is in order. He is telling Igbophobic peeps like yourself exactly what you want to hear.
It's not a bad strategy.

Let him and Igbo elites who believe in Political solution to BIAFRA bring their A game, let IPOB bring their A game too.

Both are not actually mutually exclusive.

The irony is that, if you research well amongst them and in their groups, there is no one more obsessed about Biafra than Ebonyi people... You know what is even more alarming, even those that some groups like Ezzas consider "strangers" like the Orring (Effium) people are more obsessed about it, from Ezza-Effium to Igbo Imabana in Cross-River. state.

I guess some of these outsiders too think too hard about the "Ebonyi inferiority tag''... because they are sourcing for any iota of information they can use to cause further division, they believe that this strategy will work.... I watch your best friend Juliusmawhatever tried this strategy for years to no avail... The Ebonyi jokes are just light-hearted sibling banter...this doesn't mean every Igbo doesn't love them to death.... and this tag does not even extend to all, because Afikpo people for instance can stand their own against any Igbo group.

Despite the economic or educational disadvantage they had faced in the past, they are gradually doing better than most state in other geographic zone and definitely better than ALL the northern states... They have faired better than Oyo, Osun and Ondo state for instance in WAEC, JAMB and STEM courses.

Like every igbo group, those guys are obsessive hard workers, however, strong legitimate hustlers...

People who think they can use the Ebonyi agenda as a tool for division are wasting their time.

igbowoman:
Is the IPOB nwanu full of touts?
If this is the calibre of people clamoring for a biafra nation I want no part in it

Better, people like you are of no use. You are better off in Arewanistan.
The Igbo women we need are those who possess uncommon intellects and stern sharp minds like our mothers and grandmothers, who stood by our fathers and grandfathers as they went to the trenches to defend them and the children to pay the ultimate price for the safety of their women and children.

We don't need those who can't tell when there is a propaganda to put Igbo people against each other. You have been on Nairaland long enough to understand the plot of these hateful lots... see politics section, and see the number of hateful comments and divide and rule strategy ganged up against them with false accusation, instead of you to look and think deeply to understand the dynamics of false news perpetrated and the amount the govt is spending of bad publicity, you are here with the enemies castigating your own people in the name of "Igbowoman".
In the West, they are granting Igbos and IPOB members immediate asylum becahsse they understand their struggle and their sufferings, you see all these guys who talk down on them, claiming Igbos and IPOB to enjoy those benefits.

The racist west sympathise with your own people and understand them better than an "Igbo woman"... What an irony.

Ebi2233:
If you like say they are Japanese people, all of them are under Ijaw Youth Council Ijaw National Congress and Lovers of Ijaw Nation Organization.

The IYC Epie Clan Chairman is Ambozibe Ebi, same Ebi with me.

The Amnesty International Boss, Miland Dixon dikio is from Engenni.
If he is not Ijaw will other Ijaws allow Amnesty boss to come from there?

All Ibo lies and rants, end on Nairaland, no where e reach.
Go and claim Ijaw areas physical, all these places are under Ijaw socio cultural organizations.
If they are not Ijaws will they be in it.

Go and claim them physical, not online.

Which of the Col. Dikio is Ijaw? Are you dreaming? Same one who was living in same Ikoyi when I was little? Same Mbiama man? You must be high on ogogoro.... I have been to Engenni more times than you could imagine and know many of them on a personal level from JK 1 to JK 2 to Akinima, no come here dey give us Bobo...

That is why these stupid Ijaw youths are protesting and do not want the man to succeed and they wanted him out of office because they realised the guy is not Ijaw.

Your brains have not told you yet that your IYC is a political party rather than an ethnic identity yet right? If Arewa wants to "join" today, they would.

Igboid:
They are not.
It's on record that Epie/Atissa people are proto Edoid people.

Their language is more or less related to Edoid languages like Isoko and Urhobo.

Also Degema(Udekeme) are not Ijaws too.
Degema people are proto Edoid people like Epie people too.

Epie people has a history of originating from Bini, and unlike the Ikwerre and other Igboid groups who fabricated Bini origin stories, Epie Edoid language validates and authenticates their Bini origin claim.

Degema, Engenni, Epie Attisa are all one group of related Ogua people.. They are even reviving their Ogua ethnic nationality. And as you stated correctly, they are basically all related to the Isokos and Urhobos.

OfficialAPCNig:
Simple question, are Epie Ijaws

Epie is never ever Ijaw... never was and never will be.
Ijaws do not have any civilised city they can call theirs exclusively. The capital of Bayelsa is not an Ijaw town.

BKayy:
As requested.
This is the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYOOWbKeFB8
Go to 1:20

Thank you and please endeavour to watch the video in the midnight when you are not drunk

You don't need to argue much with these people... on ground, these people know their root.

watch this video on the 17:28 mark.

watch where proud Bonny sons and daughters came to pay homage to their Igbo brothers representing and acknowledging their roots.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEmiBikIhUw

igbowoman:
IPOB is being very foolish by systemically destroying Igboland by grounding the region.
Other regions are moving forward but you choose to move backwards, destroying businesses and killing people in the process.
This is stupidity
Any iota of sympathy I had for the group has flown out the window.
Being under Buhari is looking more attractive than being under IPOB
I denounce this with every fiber in my being and yes I am a full-blooded Igbo woman

Don't you have a phallus to suck? This is not a prostitution depot.

OmoEpe:
Tears You must be deranged.

Am busy witnessing the biafanistan of the SE with you. At least it with living examples like Biafanistan it will be easy pointing out practical example of the end result of senselessness to the younger generation

So, why the tears? Does tear well up your eyes as you type this? Why are you crying? Well, I don't think they have embraced your child raping god you hit and damage your head on the floor for yet. right? So wipe your tears.

Skyview01:
May God bless you.

Blacks, always ready to put their poorly developed brain in display.. You just quoted a curse riddled post with "God bless you". What are the biomechanics dynamics of your brain?

OmoEpe:
Am sure the keke rider must have at a certain point hailed the bastard IPOB

Same fate will befall anyo that supports them. Destruction and desolation will be their portion

Why are you crying then? What's the reason for the tears?

morgstreme:
Can a 4 by 5 mind as yours comprehend a 16 by 17 concept

Can you see a therapist? I will pay for it, I promise.... You are just two incident away from living wild on the street,with brains riddled with full blown psychotic schizophrenia.
Please, how can we be of help?

morgstreme:
Onye ASI!!!

LIAR LIAR!!!

Kitikpa racha otu nne gi ebe ahu..

You can't cut of your nose to spite your neighbor's face..

MOHRUN!!!!!!

Why are you convulsing all over the place. Why are you having a mental breakdown? Can you be so kind to explain?

Allen102:
Okrika is an ijaw clan,no Okrikan has come out to say that we are not ijaw! Igbo people leave us alone!

Who is holding you? Why are you crying?

Allen102:
Our Ancestors are not from Igbo, we don't speak igbo,we bear ijaw names like [b]Nengi[/b]we don't bear igbo names like Emeka. I should read what? You igbos are filled with lies no truth can be found within you. Leave my people alone.

Nigerian education is super terrible! Was it an Igbo man that did the ethnographic study 120 years ago? Was it an Igbo man that archived that work and entered it into one of the biggest and oldest science journal in the world 120 years ago or was it an Igbo man that archived it into the British library?

Malawian:
Does this by any means mean that Okirika, Kalabari, Ubani and Brass are all Igbo people?

I don't think that's what it means per se. Ethnicities can change.. Bonny for sure, 100% are Igbos, even their current native tongue is Igbo till today. Although, there are a mix a little mix of brass tribe. Bonny's history is not something that is so far or ancient. There have been books and historical records of them from inception.

Okrika on the other hand, have their own new language. They are possibly a mix of different people today, but yeah, as you can see from that record, they originally had Igbo ancestry .. even when you look at them, they look totally Igbo in every way. The written history books, called this accurately and the records are well documented.

Kalabari, there history have been discussed in details.. they are a mix of people but they are not Ijaw and won't accept that label. The name "Kalabari" is a recent coinage and not a very ancient name.

Allen102:
Any Okrikan who said that he or she is igbo is a theif, a criminal and a bloody liar cause we don't speak igbo, we don't bear igbo names, we don't practice igbo culture so how exactlty are we igbos? Igbo land grabber?

They said their ancestors... Get some education... That's an ethnographic work done in 120 years ago. Can't you read?

The book still exist in historical libraries.
@Vintagepipes

Today, maybe not, but this is documented history.

Ikology:
These guys are irredeemable. Every time Fulani here , Fulani there. Nnamdi Kanu have really indoctrinated many. Very sad

Fulani man... Why are you crying?