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Ariani:
I Know of Biseni.
They are like Igbide who has now been Isokonized.

Biseni people are originally of same stock as Ogba, Ndoni and Ogbaru and Ukwuani people.
They were proto Igboid people.
But the town got overrun by Ijaws from Ghana who overwhelmed the natives in population.
So today Biseni has been completely ijawnizec with few traces of original Igboid here and there.

We can't salvage Biseni anymore just like Igbide. We have to accept that they're now Fully Ijaws.

Yeah! They are far gone... Although you could still see some of the Igbo features on some of them but for most you could tell they are far gone.
Although, those my contacts spoke Igbo and their father even dress in Igbo attire and their surname is "Ogbonnaya".. their children who are now adults can't even explain how they could speak Igbo nor the reason why their surname is "Ogbonnaya"... and truthfully, they are too small and could easily be absorbed into a bigger group.

SlayerForever:
You no lie. Very easy. I may start an Igbo outreach.

Time will be my greatest stumbling block though.

They are not the only group. There is a smaller group called, "Buseni". I know like one or two personally, although I have not been in contact for a long time. Many of them speak some form of Igbo and even dress Igbo sometimes. They even have Igbo surnames. But they are so small that they have mixed with people around them. Even their chiefs still wear the traditional isi-agu right there in Bayelsa.
However, to be fair they just identify as "Buseni" and probably also speak other couple of native languages in addition. They are small and have been absolved. I can't call them Igbo completely but yeah..

Eastlink:
How old do you think I am? First you said in one of your post that I was among the older generation that whipped division among Igbo state? You don't know me and you whip up such daft accusation. I'm not even from the SE for starters. So you just ascribe age to someone you don't know. A person who joined nairaland in 2015 should have told you how old he should be. And you are using me to compare Idenna aka Odenigbo Aroli and Abagworo two dudes old enough to be my uncles.

I began following Nairaland and other forums even as a Jambite so my understanding of those fora was intrigued from the culture and travel section. I'm a student of history and I always try to read widely to understand the world view. I'm not like you guys who listen to radio owned, run and managed by Nnamdi Kanu and believe his sentimental perpective. I scrutinize people, I find facts and don't swallow a propaganda hook, line and sinker. If you check my profile you'll see me comment in federal job groups like the Navy and ICPC. I'm not even up to 29 yet. You might be surprised, but I'm way smarter than my age.

Please quit that IPOB attitude. So anyone who does not agrees with you suddenly becomes an
enemy. If that is not daftness I don't know what else to call it. Use your head for once and stop castigating anyone who criticizes your leader and movement. I don't buy your pattern. I see it as a one man show. Your movement does not elevate us politically, socially or economically. Unlike the Ijaw INC or Arewa Youths, IPOB cannot point one influential impact it has bequeated on Ndigbo. Since IPOB came from the dark name one growth Igbos have seen. I saw holes in Kanu right from 2014 and knew his motive was political and not sincere. If I never bought the ideals of MASSOB is it Kanu I'll listen to. I might be young but I'm not easily cajoled to follow someone sheepishly. IPOB as far as I'm concerned has nothing to offer Ndigbo but disaster and stupidity. The earlier Ndigbo throw them and their one-sided views into the dustbin the better for us.

Have you checked my thread on Igbo topics or past posts? I come with scholarly receipts and facts. I brought into circulation with Bkayy many of the old academic excerpts going round with sound well documented history.

And well, 2015 was the height of that mudslinging contest.

Channel your rants well.

Fejoku:
Eastlink was a guy I had regard for until recently. His contributions have been immense towards the cause of Igbos but it's difficult to understand his outburst and disregard for MNK and IPOB. Today, I question the motive behind any contribution from him.
Nigeria is already on the path of collapse like a domino and every intelligent person must help to form a protective barrier for his territory leaving an internal difference for now. Before joining IPOB, I dis discuss with the then members stating my area of disagreement and bringing suggestions on how things can be better. I came to realize over time that my input will be more effective when I become a member which is what I did. Truly, I can say that I helped improved the movement. This is why I'm very proud of the group today. Let us try to be wholistic in our approach to our issues in Nigeria. A whole barrage of destructive plots were hatched against us to utterly finish us but thanks to God that today, we survived and even above it have made a great come back. We least we can do is to allow petty recognition to be a clog in the wheel of our progress. Let us focus on our mission and leave recognition for when the dust has settled.

You have to understand that people like Eastlink, Abagworo, Odenigbo and all these older people on this forum, though good but were also for the most irresponsible disgraceful episode of disunity and washing of dirty lies on this forum about Igbos.
They opened thread upon thread destroying our images but attacking every corner of Igbo city.
People like Bigfrancis1 can be said to be more neutral and matured and probably contributed more (maybe because he was an admin).

These first group ended up causing so much harm and scar on our image for that period that almost all the information you could use against Igbos was picked up from their threads.
Many of them have joined one political party or the other. Take Abagworo for example.

Allen102:
And somehow somewhere, you are draging my people a whole full ijaw clan into your bullshit.

Who is dragging "Ijaw clans"... I know sobriety is not something you guys are used to, but please try, prove me wrong.
This thread is about Kalabari's full Ijaw denial and not about Igbo or any other group or subgroup.

DubaiLandLord:
Where are the ijaws claiming in Ondo state?

Are you living under a rock? And I don't mean Abeokuta.

theInterpreter:
nobody can claim Yoruba land

You Igbo should learn how to hold tight to your lands in the 21st century from us
All over the world
No Yoruba group denies Yoruba

But I never said anyone "denied" yoruba. what I said is that Ijaws are claiming Yorubaland in Ondo state. If you don't know what I mean already then maybe you don't know what is happening in Odua land.

koondog:
Stop Blaming Ijaws For Editing Wikipedia on Opobo. This Is Who To Blame...Yorubas. Most of the people on here claiming Ijaws and grabbing Igbo lands are actually Yoruba imposters. They are the same people editing Igbo out of Igbo clans in so-called South South on Wikipedia. Whenever you read anyone claiming SS and mad Igbos are uniting with their brothers because of access to the sea, that's a yoruba person, not SS. Yorubas are causing serious problem in this country and division. For every imposter claiming Ijaw, go and read his thread history and pattern of post, you will see they are all yorubas.

Be sensible and stop opening useless threads. What has Yoruba got to do with this? When they are also facing the same issues with the Ijaws grabbing Yoruba land as theirs?

Or is this a tactics to start a fight as Ijaws have lost shamelessly?

BKayy:
LOL
It is OK if you don't want to specify IPOB for some reasons which I don't know.
I won't coerce you.

But remember that we all witnessed MASSOB and Igbo territory was not their concern. The first person to break the barrier of Southern Nigeria being the barrier of Igbo land is MNK when he brought Umuezekoha of Benue state to peoples awareness. He made Ubani, Igwe nga/Opobo and Igwe Ocha/Port Harcourt a jingle although Port Harcourt never worked out.
Just for reference purposes.

Ignore the Eastlink guy, him and his group of marauding directionless rivals made Intra-Igbo rivalry a thing on Nairaland. While other groups were banding together, they made mocking different Igbo state a sports and washed their dirty pants in public. I witnessed this crass behaviour cringing for years.

You see the concept of making reference to 17/18/19th century history with facts is one thing that I admire that is happening. It disputes all facts.

If not for MNK, most of us or even them won't go hunting for these evidence.

Against this background, I want to say, your swords must be really shinny from murdering all these r..ards with facts and sharpening same swords with their bones.

Cjrane2:
Even Omoku, Elele and Ahoada are today being claimed by the crazy expansionist Ijaws!

The sad thing about Ijaws is that instead of concentrating on their own Ijaw republic in Ijaw land, they are fixated on the forced annexation of other people into their fisherman enclave!

If you give people 1 inch, they will take 2.

LOL. So, this time you came with receipts.
Adakaboro8, when will you have a break from drowning in your cheap Ogogoro liquor?
Could you interpret the language in the videos? And please don't take your lack of sobriety as an excuse.

Liebermantic:
Opobo and Bonny will never go along with Ijaw if Nigeria divides along Ethnic lines..
Opobo and Bonny kings and People were originally Igbo..The fake History of Origin started by Prof Alagoa of Nembe around 1972...The old documented History of Opobo and Bonny showed they are Igbo..
Ijaws should just go with Bayelsa State alone..No Ijaw in Rivers State

The funny thing is that many people of Nembe origin will deny being Ijaw outrightly except for those who buy the IYC thing.

Ckonnet:
If you have lived in rivers state, you will agree with the writer. The jaws are really different from the calabria in all ramifications.

I believe so... When you ask them where they are from, they tell you, "Kalabari" straight... No, "ifs" or "maybes".

AdakaBoro8:
u nor dey shame for your ibo that was politically made up ten ethnicities?

Well at least, they all speak Igbo as a native/indigenous/mother tongue. You are claiming native speaking Yoruba, Igbo, Edoids, even Ibibiods as your imaginary ethnic group.

AdakaBoro8:
wait oo....who wan handle us?
na mouth una jux dey make.....
una go come beg us atlast....
if you people begged us very well, we will allow you sailed it in a cheap rate....though, a per ship will pay for each of it trip....

but we will make sure the payment is fair to you as our brothers....

ijaw nation will be giant of africa in a year because it will get income from every corner...

we will be a donor nation...

Have you seen the maps? Our ships do not need to go through your own waters. Since you are praying for our downfall nah... Even we do not need to negotiate with Kalabari ethnic nationality.

FreeStuffsNG:
And you believed at bolded
Please these tales are not true sir!

How do you just guess something is not true out of the blues? You didn't even ask about the book or how the subject got to learn Portugese? Or you think somehow the people in Nigeria in 1699 were incapable of learning a European language when they have had massive communication and contact with the language by that time? Even the area already had a Portuguese name by the time the history account was made in 1699.

BKayy:
I know my brother. Let's just allow them to tell tales like we do to our brothers that think we had kings.
When they are ready, we will discuss recorded facts.
For example do you know that most of the none Igbo words in Ubani Dialect is actually corrupted Portuguese, though some as still near intact old Portuguese. I shock when I found out

I wouldn't doubt you at all Nwanne.. In that journal by James Barbot, he explained how the king in Bonny spoke fluent Portugese even in 1699

AdakaBoro8:
no clan is more Ijaw than kalabari....
its igbo pain ones that are struggling to be freed from landlockness...
they angry at Ijaw because we rejected their biafra...because it means we have padlocked....

Ehya!! Everyone is running away from Ijaw people grabbing tendencies.

AdakaBoro8:
mention name of one person in such fake group?
there is no such group in kalabari, because i know kalabari in and out.... i often be there for some missions, and i have some many comrades there....
this is created by emotional and pained ibo soul....

I always knew you were not bright.. so you didn't read it? You didn't see two or three different groups written down there? Mehn!!!

BKayy:
Exactly.
The problem of Kalabari is just that Ijaw that they know when they came are Saying that they are their progenitors. If you noticed, for some reasons Ndigbo were not included in the writeup because somehow they know that Nobody, absolutely NOBODY in Southern Nigeria will drag age with Ndigbo.
BTW, I stumbled across an article about the origin of Christianity in Igbo land (I will post it in due time) with Ubani clearly spelt and marked as where Christianity started in Igboland with one event at Easter of 1826 if I am not mistaking.
New Calabar (Kalabari) and Brass People were featured in the article with their Dẹ̀ị́ty. The boundaries of the three groups were clearly stated.
New Calabar people worshipped Shark (I am surprised that sharks were that rampant down there at that time), Brass people worshipped Rock Python while Ubani People worshipped Iguana (one big monitor lizard like that).
So the OP Mr Vintagepipes should work on uncovering his people's original name before anything because Kalabari is still from British "New Calabar"

Actually, the first written account of New Calabar in New Calabar written in English was in 1699 by James Barbot. He witnessed and wrote about it.
He was the first person to also collect the Igbo swords during this same voyage.
He was the one who first observed their religion and mode of worship.

AdakaBoro8:
which group in kalabari said it mugu?
what is the name of the group leader?

the mistake you igbo youth always made is thinking that Ijaw youths are simple brain like you that are in emotion to believe any thing...

this is written by emotional igbo man.....

Didn't you see the groups written clearly there? Is it my responsibility to point it out to you. I didn't even read twice to see the names of the Kalabari groups. Confront them and stop blaming Igbos for all your problems.

AdakaBoro8:
this is a concocted fictitious history some desperate igbo youth eyeing sea access......
you people are landlocked forever.....because your cooked story is dead on arrival....

What is Igbos business in this case? Kalabari people wrote something and you are calling Igbos.. why not dispute what was written there with facts and stop blaming Igbos for all your problems.

Ethnic nationalities all over the place.

osuofia2:
WAIT AND SEE Igbos CHEST BEAT, THE NORTH HAS MORE OF THIS BUT WE DONT MAKE NOISE,. SOUTHERN NIGERIA IS FULL OF NOISE MAKERS

North Pole?

Gireiboy:
Then, stop blaming other tribes for your problems.

In this whole conversation, who is blaming anyone else? Is it just the typical poor attempt at logic fuelled by Nigeria's poor education? The people in Aba posted this to embarrass the STATE GOVT.
The people there didn't blame anyone for this problem except for the state and even the shop owners.

Rilwayne001:
People that were supposed to drag the governor into doing what's right are probably in Lagos developing Lagos.

Dem no develop their states but go dey claim dey own other states. Lmao

One flood in one market in a state as big as Abia, all of you are convulsing... Imagine all the slums in Ibadan and decadence in Ogbomosho. Even in a former federal capital state like Lagos, how are areas like Makoko, Ajegunle, Iwaya fairing? What are the markets like? what about flooding?... If the people were not putting the govt on blast, these videos will not surface in the first place. Aba is not even the state's capital, to put the whole thing into context and yet the people are making these videos viral so that the govt can be embarrassed and fix it.
Embarrassing the govt in this way is their own strategy to fix things, do not think for a second that most cities in Nigeria is half as good as Aba.

Look at the comments in the front page... It will tell you about the joblessness that exist in Nigeria. See them jumping on each other to tell the same Igbos they hate what and how to conduct themselves ..

Guys, when you travel a lil bit, you will understand the failure that is Nigeria and their jobless youths.

Don't go and fight for yourselves like sane youths all over the world are doing, stay put on nairaland following every IPOB news

Liebermantic:
Lagos is owned by Egun and Awori( all Non-Yoruba tribes)
Ogun is owned by Ijebus( An African tribe from Sudan)
Ondo is owned by different ethnic groups including Ilaje, Akoko, Ijaw and Yoruba..
Yorubaland starts from Oyo and ends at Osun state..Osun is a mix of FULANI and Yoruba..
Kogi state belongs to Igala and Egbira.. Any Yoruba found there should go back to Ile-Ife..
Kwara remains a FULANI state.

You are actually right, a friend gave me this excerpt from the book, Polyglotta Africana. A book written in around 1854. He gave me this page to interpret.
CC: Bkay, gidgiddy. Can you open a thread based on this old factual history from this excerpt showing that Ijebus, Egbas and Aworis are not Yorubas. This could reveal even more fallacies held on over the years.

Juliusmalema:
trash

continue killing unasef there and be calling herdsmen....

after slaughtering each other una go come say na herdsmen.

ajana

It is funny how you are going around defending your herder brothers.... Tact is not something most of you possess, at least, not for long. LOL Oya, reply me and make 5 Naira and get closer to your daily posting quota and further expose your Taliban leanings.