₦airaland Forum

RedboneSmith:
Nope. No phenotypic deferences between White Americans and Europeans.

Whereas a significant percentage of African-Americans have enough white and Native American genetic contribution to look quite distinct from Africans, White Americans do not have enough non-European genetic contribution to appear distinct from Europeans. Blame it on the One Drop Rule, which White Americans used to keep their gene pool as clean as possible (it's still not squeaky clean, but they tried) , while everyone else's pool got muddied.

African Americans looking significantly different from Africans is the biggest myth ever. On TV maybe, in the streets, the Igbos look more "African Americans" than African Americans in most cities.
The representation on media and or in the showbiz industry might favour those with certain features or skin colour which in itself is a vestige of what happened during slavery.

Go to the streets of Louisiana or many places in the South and you will discover that they are more black people there on the average than Igbos on the street.

Go to the streets of NY, put an average Igbo and AA side by side, number for number, you will probably find more light skinned Igbos. Except for those who are obviously half black or quarter black.

Captain8:
these are pure Ijaws you just mentioned...... we dont have to fight anyone about our own we...
because we are already we....

More like, we claim every oil-producing community as Ijaw, whether they speak our language or not. Whether we understand each other or not.. Even if oil is discovered in Kano, they are Ijaws. LOL
Deluded people.

Nwanyiogwashi:
I'm waiting ooo

I'm telling you... These their eventual discovery came after the first rumours that the areas around there in Anambra will soon be recognised as oil-producing communities.
CC: Bkayy, slayerforever, fejoku, Ariani .

Deadlytruth:
This was in the later days when it had begun to appear that Biafran soldiers were being overwhelmed by the Nigerian forces. But in the very early days of the war Zik was Biafran in spirit and soul in so much that Ojukwu gave him one of the most sensitive positions in the Biafran government.

Zik was NEVER a Biafran. He was a traitor!!! He was more of a pan-Africanist than Igbo. Igbos were more like a vessel for his political ambitions and pan-Africanist dreams. In his mind and in his BOOK, he said he was a Bini man. He was born and bred in the North. It was when his father observed that he knew nothing about being Igbo nor the language that his father brought him back to Onitsha to do his secondary school, before long he returned back to his father in Lagos to pursue all his life dreams. His childhood friends were either Northerners or Yorubas mostly.

Deadlytruth:
Haven't you ever come across it in history of Nigeria that the colonial authorities allowed indegenous participation in politics beginning from 1922? What is participation in politics if I may ask? Why did Herbert Macaulay form the NNDP party in 1923?

There was no election that determined Zik as a representative pre-independence. Zik wanted to lead the Yorubas, and when it didn't work at first, he went to meet the Ijebus who saw themselves as a separate group. (I hope you also know that Yoruba was a political name as you guys were called Akus".

When that didn't get his desired outcome, the colonial masters compensated him with a position in the East.

Deadlytruth:
Why are you being economical with the truth? Didn't Zik himself confess in a 1975 interview that he enjoyed the support of the British in all debates that had to do with secession?

Wasn't Zik the Biafran Foreign Affairs Minister at the beginning of the war? And you are here arguing that Zik never supported Biafra.

What foreign affairs, Zik sided with the Nigerian govt. Here is the receipt... In fact, he called us, "Rebels" and was part of the team supporting Nigerian govt to ask international community from selling arms to us for self-defence.

Deadlytruth:
Democracy is a representative venture and Zik didn't elect himself to that parliament in which he espoused Anti-secession philosophy. He was elected there not by Hausafulanis, not by Binis, not by Yorubas but by his very own Igbo people to represent them and speak for them there. So all he did and fought for were on behalf of the Igbo ethnic group. Had his position on secession and one-Nigeria run contrary to that of the generality of the Igbo nation then they would have set in motion a process to recall him. But as long as records of history is devoid of any attempt to recall him by the Igbos, then you can't ever wash Igbos' hands off his sabotage of secession attempts by the North and all other tribes.

Elections pre-independence? Are you kidding me? Can you show me the documents where Igbos voted pre-independence? In fact, Zik was more attempting to lead Yorubas because he also grew up in Lagos, he spoke more Yoruba and Hausa than Igbo and the COLONIAL MASTERS compensated him with a position in the Eastern Region which was a region of the current SE and SS, with the exception of Edo state and some parts of Delta state.

Zik also fought against us the Igbos during the Civil war. He didn't stood with Nigeria because he saw himself as a Hausa, Yoruba before Igbo.

Nwanyiogwashi:
Now that Anambra state is officially an oil producing state, in few years time our brothers from 5-6 indigenous local government of bayelsa state will start laying claim to those communities as part of ijaw land , like they're claiming ukwu local government of abia state and
Ohaji/Egbema local government in IMO state as ijaw land .
What dry gin people can not do does not exist

Actually, they have started. I will screenshot the Facebook post where they were discussing it. I swear, I am not even joking.

baby124:
You can see this deformity accounts for a section Of the population as majority of the kids in the picture do not have the deformity. This is a well known genetic deformity that can be passed down. Inbreeding will help it remain prevalent

I get your point but in many biological interpretation, "deformity" can be "contextual" and refined by "politics" or "social", "legal" and even aesthetical interpretation or leanings.

In the pure biological context, you can be that their toes are shaped like many arboreal animals like orangutan, monkeys and even slots whose physiology is suited towards climbing. If human survival is dependent on your ability to climb a tree, they will probably be the only surviving individuals, while the rest dies off or also mutate to adapt.
You can't really say they are "deformed" when it doesn't stop them from living their normal life. However, from an anthropological view of anatomical aesthetics you can interpret it differently.

Although diversity is desirable in the survival of a species but the term "inbreeding" might not also be so important in their own context if their numbers surpasses a certain threshold. For instance, if they are up to 5000 individuals, you can say they are "inbred" to the extreme extent you are looking at it.

baby124:
Deformity caused by inbreeding

The page clearly wrote that this is a mutation and adaptation to their environment and not deformity.

Animals change over a spectrum of time to adapt to their environments and that's how new species are created. You see that opposing digits might be responsible for the survival of their ancestors.

SlayerForever:



There's nothing one will not see on Nairaland. Look at the people countering sit at home. I actually thought they had key suggestions.


cc Ekealterego read the suggestion Solsix gave.

By their fruits you shall know them. I tell you these guys lack tact and are not very bright. They expose themselves before long. You should have told the guy to carry his own people that are like-minded to stage a protest and collect the freedom so we too can enjoy. Afterall, true Igbos have organised peaceful protests and road walk for a long time now.
Ndi ngbu!

SlayerForever:
Road walk and peaceful protest

Nwanne, are you really taken aback by the goofy suggestions? LOL.

Aawaaa Oryel! awa Oryel!
The thieving IYC and INC will find their way to Anambra now to claim they are Ijaw who migrated to Anambra in 1000 BC. Lol.

The thing is, most Igbo people do not care for oil and shit. They want a prosperous place where they can excel and do business. They hate poverty and despise begging.
They want an environment where they can import and export in peace. Work hard and make money. Go to their country homes/village homes, and sit in their big mansions and enjoy with Umunna.

Oil exploration comes with pollutions which threatens a big part of the culture (having a green garden to plant onugbu, ugu and other green plant so they can eat fresh from the ground).
The Igbo people themselves care less about oil, they believe that there is no oil money domiciled underneath the earth greater than your own hands and brains.

See the dirty iron kwundem and dirty shoemakers these ones rented with 700 million.

ANON333:
He's right. Igbos at times mistake themselves for the prize, but the prize is the niger delta which they seek to covet. Igboland on its own is little and filled with people. Other Nigerians would be indifferent or even comfortable with the Igbos having their own country so far as it excludes the oil rich niger delta from its scheme. And a biafran state that'd comprise just igboland would be very difficult to live in due to its small size, and lack of soil minerals.
What Igbos actually offers Nigeria is human resource, though the quota system now has a check on that.

I know the IQ of most Nigerians is low and you have exercised that you people are not very bright, if not, you would know that Igbos have the highest population of the "Niger Delta". Most Igbos do not take up the identity as "Niger Deltans" because, on their own, they have a strong identity already.

haslaw:
Igbos are insatiable and full of hatred, even if you give them the whole world, they would still be crying that they are marginalised.

I guess that is why they have made it clear that they want to separate. Don't you think that will make it easier for the other Nigerian that is devoid of hate. The rest of Nigeria will now move on happily ever after when Biafra comes?

SlayerForever:
Ekealterego anyi anurozi onu gi

Ariani ke alo i nwe iga atunyelu anyi?

Sorry, I was stupidly banned. I have made contacts already. waiting for more instructions.

JANK23H:
History discussed are all subtle attempt to connect everyone in sight to Igbo,there isn't any sincerity in these discussions.

We cannot all be Igbos!

Raise your IQ a lil bit and add academically and logically to the discussion. Just in case you don't know, Yoruba, Igbo, Edo, Igala ALL belonged to one proto-language.

In southern Nigeria, the only isolated or different language are the Ijoid languages.

I mean I hope this is not the first time you are learning this? If so, then I apologize. Now sit and learn.

SlayerForever:
If it is about the claim in the second paragraph he is 100% correct. It seems you're not familiar with that issue. Check Ibrede, Igbuku, Onogboko, Osafo, Ige etc etc.

LOL. You guys did not discern what Bkayy is doing here. He is just paying back... If this were the Ijaw guys here or other landgrabbing fellas, there are so many things they would do with this. Just like them claiming Ndoki in Abia state.

But the truth is that most of the Igbos here are just in search for the truth and correct the wrongs that have been left unattended to for years. You guys are not here for confusion but clarity.

However, these other guys are not playing by the same rule. So, Bkayy is just playing a game. LOL.

SlayerForever:
Okay. It is about liaising with the groups you mentioned yesterday. You can help us talk to them as Igwebuike is now up and running.

Okay, great!

SlayerForever:
Ekealterego please come let's talk.

Nwanne... I dey

SlayerForever:
Noted. I will get back to you.

I can work on meeting a group with Igbo reunion in mind. The "Proudly Rivers Igbo" facebook group. The "Proudly Anioma, Proudly Igbo group" and "The Igbo history since 3000BC group".. there we can get people with like minds. I can reach the admin from one of the history group with at least 170k members.

This will help your outreach go further.

deltaboyo1:
Urhobos are the 5th most largest ethnic groups in Nigeria based on their populations because the rest that claiming to be are not developed like the Urhobos TIV and Ibibios are also claiming to be the 4th or 5th the TIVs larger than the Urhobos in terms of land mass not populations most of the TIVs communities are villages and most of Urhobos communities are towns the Ibibios are not as much as the Urhobos

My problem with Nigerians is that most are half educated and the rest, completely ignorant about how stats, science and facts works.

You tabled an issue, why not bring facts, stats and evidence to back your claim?
Name the LGA where you occupy and the population. Estimate the native Urhobo people and non-Urhobo people.

Give facts and figures from history and let's see how it is.

ChinenyeN:
I was mentioned here and cannot find any suitable reason why. Do you mind explaining to me where I fit into this narrative/why I was mentioned?

LOL. It is a very long story. So, in summary, we were talking about Igbo awareness and consciousness and the works and debates over the years.

Pazienza feels what you guys have done was greater than the MNKs ea of Igbo consciousness, while I feel that although you guys did great within this small forum, however, the constant bickering, washing of dirty talks in public and intra-Igbo debates exposed so many negatives to the public.

SlayerForever:
Can we form an Igbo outreach group made up of proud Igbos of Nairaland that would be a vehicle for reconnecting Igbo clans across Nigeria?

Supremos has forwarded this recommendation. I support and if I have the backing I will go ahead to create an Igwebuike Outreach page. What do you all think?

Ekealterego, gidgiddy, pass11, Ariani and others too numerous to mention.

Although this is a good plan, I suggest you could also create this in tandem with already established groups. The Igbo history since 3000 BC group or something like that on Facebook already have big followings with representatives from different Igbo groups. You can work with them with this specific goal in mind.

You don't even need to go in search of these people. Many are already there...but yeah, that's a good idea.

Ariani:
We discussed and ironed out differences between us that we normally don't speak on but breed mutual suspicions that worked against Igbo Unity.
We washed our dirty linens outside?
Yes, it was necessary we came out true to each other, we became Better for it.

Chyz and Wesley held sway for Ukwuani/Ndokwa brothers, keeping the Igbophobic ones among them at Bay by educating them.
Ogbuefi from Ika did same for IKa.

Ezepromoe and Abagworo held the show for Ikwerre.
Onlytruth our general held forth for Anaedo clan.
We had Ezeuche for Aro, Dede 1 for the trenches against Yoruba onslaught, ACM my Ogidi kinsman was his Shadow man from, we had Policewoman from Obiigbo, real Asa tribal woman.
There was Eziachi from Orlu with his life experience civil war stories.
Obiagu1 was the erudite researche and myth buster.
Not forgetting Afam4eva from Amaechi Awkunanaw Enugu and Igboboy from Aniocha. There was also One Naira from Asaba.

It was the age of Igbo enlightenment.
Information overload from that formidable team was something else. I struggled to keep up with my school work because I just had too many materials to read on Igbo history that they were making available.

IPOB and MNK has not 1% of information on Igbo history, pre colonial, colonial, pre civil war and post civil war like those men had.

All IPOB and MNK had done was take us 360 and back to where we were before they came.
Simply because IPOB lacked knowledge of history of Ndiigbo and her minorities neighbors.
IPOB has brought Ndiigbo unending ridicule from insignificant minority groups with their shameless unity begging.

Well, not knocking what you did but all that work started and ended here on Nairaland and maybe Nigervillagesquare. .. your audience are limited and your outreach not so far.
Probably, relevant to those who truly wanted to know more and are of course educated.
What MNK preached got to the streets, to the farmers, the market men and women, the ordinary secondary school boys and girls. The Nwaboys and Ogas. Iyawos and the rich business men.
The consciousness he created saw massive Facebook groups reaching over millions of members and countless ones with hundreds of thousands.
I can beat my chest to tell you that there is no ethnic group that boasts of that incredible numbers in different and numerous clusters on social media.

This started in the MNK's era. Of course you are allowed to feel a little jealous and all that cos you have been grinding for years but bros.

How many books from history pages have you guys uploaded? In just recent years, many pages of history books and excerpts have been uploaded due to this movement.

You have to understand that although MNK have a Babelian approach but his work also had a double edged sword, it brought so much awareness. I know not all have worked to perfection but we are having a clearer definition 0f our allies, borders and enemies.

Don't underestimate the effect because you think you have been grinding for years.

In all these years you guys have not pressured Ohanaze to sit up no create a massive social media following or some form of alliance beyond social media. Look on the bright side.

Ariani:
For our IPOB brothers who think everything starts and ends with their "suplim lida", you all should try and read this thread:https://www.nairaland.com/500126/true-extent-alaigbo-igboland

I, like many Igbo nationalists here, was there at the beginning to the end of that thread. Of course I was under different moniker then.
Read carefully through that thread.

Because it would appear some of you are attributing the ground work of Igbo nationalists who went all over Nigerian forums, from Nigeriavillagesquare of those days, to bestnaijaforum, etc that held sway before nairaland took over, preaching the gospel of true extent of Igboland and arguing for Igbo only Biafra without Minorities, especially Ijaws, to MNK.

MNK only arrived to the scene in 2014 or thereabouts and only became active in 2015 following Buhari lack of tact.

And I can tell you that all MNK did was put a stop to the pan Igbo nationalism movement that was beginning to take hold then and replaced it with Babelian Biafra of "two wrapper" wearing tribes. MNK and IPOB only succeeded in derailing the pan Igbo nationalistic movement that was gathering pace, and replaced it with a shameful era of unity begging to minorities.

The only good to come out this now drawing to end MNK era, is that,many Igbos youths who know nothing about history of Ndiigbo and minorities in the East, were exposed to Igbophobia of minorities and now understand better why Igbo nationalists who are guided by history, insisted on Igbo only Biafra from the beginning.

So to an extent, MNK played a big role in this our struggle,but then his role must be put in the right context.

You guys also caused as much harm as good. I was very much aware of the happenings during this time and I can tell you that you guys and your goons like Abagworo, ChinenyeN etc and chino or whatever his name is, were destroying the image of Igbos on this forum by talking shit and exposed most of the things outsiders used against Igbos on this forum.

Most of your lacked tact and would fight dirty outside. Although, you were doing the work of bringing awareness, but what MNK did in a year you guys didn't do 0.1%. MNK was the reason for the new Igbo consciousness and not the one thread a year discussion while the rest was based on empty bickering of superiority and debasing other Igbo groups.

CC: SlayerForever.

Abohboy:
I said those Anambra Igbos who denounce the Ebonyi Igbo aren;t true Igbos please read to understand

You didn't mention anyone specifically, even the person you replied thought you were affirming that Ebonyians are not true Igbos.

Miracle2020:
did you forget when Abia state sacked workers simply because they are from Enugu?
You said you don't want to be forced to be Nigerian but you want to force others to be igbos. Why?
Ironsi and Ojukwu nearly kill Adaka Boro when he wanted to be on his own, but years later Ojukwu also wanted to be on his own. What a hypocrite!

Guy, you came late. Go and drink ogogoro or something. We had finish this discussion some years ago. Come with something novel.

Ariani:
That's the true history of Izon.
They were described by the Portuguese as the "people of jos".
Ijaw claim to originating from Nigeria is hinged on indigenous tribes like Obulom, Udekeme, Ogbia, etc they met on ground and linked themselves with.
But all those indigenous groups have languages fitting into the indigenous YEAII language of Southern Nigeria or the Cross- River cluster language group.
Whereas Izon language sticks out like a malignant cell with no link to these groups.

Yeah! Ijaw is different from every other languages in Southern Nigeria. They are definitely not from there originally.

Abohboy:
Those ones aren't true Igbos they're idiots

What do you mean by that? Ebonyians claim and hold on to their Igbo identity more than your own Ndokwa. Talk with receipts please.
What can be more grand than Afikpo for example? Or the Edda warriors. Most of your forget that the great Afikpo is still in Ebonyi.