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Blind defense of something for parochial reasons ("I am partly a product of the Nigerian education system" ) simply makes no sense.

Is the Nigerian education system not relevant if many of the posters cannot immediately see that this doesn't work as advertised?

That even the title of the post ("any amount of electricity with Erinle fuelless engine" ) must be false?

That rather than hailing this as a major accomplishment, one should instead ask questions about what it actually does?

So you are happy that this thread was posted and people couldn't immediately smell the bull?

You think that this DOESN'T reflect poorly on the education system in this country?

Where is the fraudulent OP to apologize?

Of what relevance are American high school graduates to this thread?

Well I think we've already discussed why the device doesn't work as advertised.

At best he has something that captures wind energy. Useful (well, possibly useful), but not novel, and certainly not something one can generate arbitrary amounts of electricity with.

Heh.

I think you need to calm down. Less emotion, more rationality.

Long story short, this thing doesn't work. And cannot work, for the reasons I already stated.

As for the rest of your rant, it simply isn't relevant. I said what I said earlier and I stand by it...if Nigeria is churning out masses of high school graduates who don't know about conservation of energy and more importantly cannot reason critically about why something like this is implausible ("we can generate any amount of electricity with Erinle fuelless engine". does this even SMELL remotely plausible to you?) then something is very, very wrong.

This is one of the basic things you are supposed to pick up out of high school, if you call yourself educated..

I've never liked when people just randomly quote some guy and use that as a substitute for argument.

I mean, if there is some mathematical proof of impossibility or physical law that something must violate, that should be enough for 99.99% of people to say, "Yeah, can't do that."

Lol. If this is what you call a "sizzling" photo, I pity your future (or present) wife

Much ado about nothing

Heh. For all we know, the reason why Satan led a rebellion against God and thought he could win (while convincing 1/3rd of the angels to join him?) is because he discovered a perpetual motion device.

That is how powerful such a machine would be....there is almost nothing you could not do with it. Create matter, generate enough energy to destroy the earth, travel to distant space, perhaps even travel through time, I dunno.

You could possibly even figure out a way to make yourself immortal with it (but this is just a wild guess).

I wouldn't challenge the God of Christianity with a perpetual motion device, but I would find some Egyptian gods, kick their asses and make them my slaves

Basically, copy your UI from Phpbb3 or one of these other forum software packages. Your best bet is to actually hire a guy who knows how to design UIs, get him to mock up something that looks nice and then implement it in CSS/jQuery for you.

There is a distinction between backend developer and guys/gals with sense of style who know how to design UIs.

This is the major thing imo...your current UI is just hideous.

I don't think I've seen a man actively and vigorously sabotage his own business before.

No clue what Seun was thinking. At a minimum he should have consulted more widely before coming to his conclusion about the next step to take...

So no apology from the fraudulent OP?

If you invent a perpetual-motion device, you instantly become the most powerful being in the universe next to God. Let's put it that way..

egift: You can doubt all you can but that does not make it impossible. Here in Nigeria, I have meet guys who do this (for me nothing special in it).

@Beaf, throwing insults around only proves what I think may have happened to you (You either grew up with the wrong company, lack proper up-bring or was exploited as a kid, that you have grown up with no respect, regard or consideration for others).

@Post: The system may have its challenges or setbacks but ordinary Nigerians, like the one below, are already doing this. You can watch this clip for a preview.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJa8LTt1GCI&feature=player_embedded

Probably you are not accounting for some energy that you are injecting into the system from elsewhere.

For example, if I have a windmill, I can generate electricity from the wind. But the energy still came from somewhere...I'm capturing it and putting it to use.

Or I have some type of photovoltaic device, this will also generate electricity for me. But again, it is essentially capturing energy from the sun. It isn't as if the energy came from nowhere or was just created out of nothing...no physical laws were violated.

Anyway, no insults were intended. But there are just some basic things that we should all know.

Well even ignoring the physics stuff, obviously if a guy invented a device that would CREATE energy for free, we wouldn't be reading about it on Nairaland.

We would be seeing on TV/hearing on the radio right now about how the guy used the device to overthrow all existing world governments, conquer and enslave the entire planet and make himself King of Earth.

At least this is the first thing I'd think of doing if I came up with this sort of device

To be quite honest I'm very disappointed in the Nigerian education system, even in the so-called educated south

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I don't care much about physics at all myself, but there are some basic things you should know when you leave high school. Or vaguely remember if it was some time ago since you completed high school...

egift: I don't know if you guys are not getting the gist here. The Battery starts the system. Since we all know energy can not be lost but may be converted, so the system always replenish its self as part of the electric energy produced recharges the battery thereby not allowing the battery not to run out.

By now I was hoping somebody will be looking for ways to couple this system in a more compatible unit, mass produce it at various KVAs and hit the market already.

Well, the big picture issue is that if the battery starts out with X joules of energy and you recharge it somehow again from that battery, then if at any point in the process the battery has X joules, then no work was done elsewhere.

Meaning that this system is useless for actually doing anything.

Then the second issue is that even if you want to build a useless device that sucks away energy from a battery, shuffles it around somewhere and then stores it back in that battery, you'll never fill the battery back up to X joules...some fraction will be dissipated as heat.

naptu2: We actually need all sectors working at full steam. The extractive industry (mining & agriculture) needs to be at full steam to provide raw materials for manufacturing and employment for low skilled workers, manufacturing needs to be at full steam to provide tools for the service industry and to provide employment for low skilled, semi-skilled and highly skilled workers (the bulk of people in society) and the service sector needs to be at full steam to provide high end quality of life services and employment for highly skilled workers.

Service sector is mostly irrelevant at this point in time imo. Just won't create enough jobs.

India has Wipro, Tata consulting and all these fancy service companies and is still mired in poverty. While China is the factory of the world and rapidly becoming wealthier.

Agric, meh, I don't really care about that much personally these days, at least from a job creation perspective.

Mining is probably worthwhile and important though (might not create too many jobs, but highly profitable, so more than worth the effort.)

But the king is manufacturing.

jason123 and co, honestly don't worry too much about it. When the day comes that Nigeria divides, we will know where everyone stands, who wants to be with who.

Talk on the internet can only go so far. Heh. Isn't worth stressing over.

Reading this stuff makes me angry.

If I had any power over the affairs of Ogun State, I would simply wipe them out. Either overtly or covertly if necessary.

^-- But the energy source in this case is the chemical energy stored in the battery. So it isn't really "fuelless."

And once the battery runs out, then what do you do? Either buy a new battery or recharge it. In other words, add more fuel.

Anyway, you cannot generate "any amount of electricity" you want from batteries...there simply isn't enough energy available from batteries that one can build. The energy density of batteries is really low too, if I remember correctly.

Whichever way you look at it, this isn't very practically useful.

Actually, are Tiv more numerous than Edoids?

Edoid to me = Edo State folks (Bini, Ishan, Afemai, etc), Urhobo, Isoko.

How do these groups compare in population to Tiv or Akwa Ibom/X-river groups?

Let's put round numbers on these ethnicities.

Are there 10 million Tivs or more like 5 million (keep in mind that the official pop of Nigeria is roughly ~160 million, and also note the officially state population of Benue State..)?

Same with these other groups.

So I forgot Kanuri too.

In my opinion, this is what population in Nigeria looks like:

1/2/3. Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa-Fulani in some ordering
4. Akwa Ibom/CR groups
5. Edoids if you consider them one group
6. Tiv
7. Kanuri
8/9. Igala/Nupe
10. Ijoid groups?

Something roughly like this, I suppose?

Basically even if you consider Akwa Ibom/X-river folks as all distinct ethnicities, Edoids all as distinct ethnicities, clearly Tiv, Kanuri, Igala and Nupe are legitimate significant population groups, each more numerous than Ijaw.

[quote author=Kilode?!]Except you pour a ship load of Viagra + fertility drugs in your water overnight, one can measure population trends based on historical patterns. You can't just become "populated" overnight [/quote]lmao

Tiv definitely are more numerous. If the Akwa Ibom groups are considered one ethnicity, they are more numerous (and imo they have a stronger case, since at least their languages are mutually intelligible. While the various Ijaw languages are not mutually intelligible.)

Nupe are more numerous. Igala more numerous.

So probably 8th or so largest group?

9th if I considered Edoid groups one...

I don't understand his invention. Is he just generating electricity from air currents?

If so, you won't be able to generate enough to power a car, or supply large amounts of Nigeria's electricity needs.

If he is instead proposing generating electricity with no fuel/energy source, this violates physical laws (conservation of energy, specifically), and is thus impossible.

So long as where these border regions decide to go to is decided by referendum (supervised by the UN, not wuruwuru naija-style stuff), I have no problems.

Let the will of the people be done.

I personally don't want anyone joining us who doesn't want to anyways...

new interface is hot trash..dunno what the dude was thinking.

As bright as it initially was, maybe Seun was trying to give us an epileptic seizure or something

If you are not fixated on manufacturing, then you are in fact fixated on poverty..

because no manufacturing = no jobs = large-scale poverty and unemployment.......