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[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=818800.msg9709618#msg9709618 date=1323206960]Maybe not average,just pulling Al haram's leg. There is a high rate of yorubas with Igbo blood in them, the same cant be said for the Igbo. Your people marry our women a lot,but we dont marry your woman(at least not often).[/quote]High rate? Statistically probably not. Probably just appears more in the news. If the intermarriage rate were even 3%, I'd be surprised.

Might be true but I'd advise u go back to nigeria and go down the family like,even through marriage you'd be surprised.

Hehe

I keep in touch with my cousins and other relatives pretty frequently through facebook, so I'm pretty sure of this, lol.

Anyway I'm not opposed to intermarriage, but it doesn't happen as frequently as one might think if you are drawing your conclusions from Linda Ikeji's blog or whatever.

Ah, it didn't ruffle my feathers. . . nothing to apologize for.

My point is, that Policy X is good/bad for me doesn't mean that it is best for society as a whole.

So there is no point in saying, "oh, if this policy hadn't been in place, then you'd probably be a farmer". . . it isn't a good argument. How it affects me specifically is irrelevant.

You see what I'm saying?

lol.

Puff puff pass, Olalekan.

Don't keep that good ish you've been smoking all to yourself

Industrializing without electricity is like trying to make pounded yam out of dirt.

Until the government faces electricity squarely and until Nigeria starts producing on the order of 10GW of electricity with much more added every subsequent year, then industrialization is not possible.

And thus, reduced unemployment will not be possible.

Innoson, DSTV, Glo, etc etc are all irrelevant. None of them are the answer. The only thing that matters is electricity.

muyoto:
but wait o! why is the assumption here:

higher fees = better quality of education?

is that really the case?

you need to find out what goes on in some of these private unis

Higher fees = more money for buildings, lecturers, computers, libraries, lab equipment, scholarship funds for brilliant students and desperately poor students, etc.

So the question is, do you think that these things I've listed lead to:
A) better education
B) worse education
C) no difference at all?

pluto04:
Someone listening to you will think that you are not a beneficiary of the awoof of the past government! Your parents went to OAU. Most likely benefited from the free meals in addition to the free university. Quite possible that they would not have been able to afford the equivalent of 250k and university in those days. And quite possible as well, that you would have taken to the trade of on of your grand parents (my guess is farming and producing amala) if your parent (and you) did not benefit from Awolowos foresight and amala politics!

Heh. Neither of my parents are corner cases who'd be affected by any of this type of stuff.

My mother's family was actually quite wealthy. Her father could have afforded to send her to school abroad. And she is pretty smart too.

My dad's family was kind of poor, but he is quite intelligent, so would have managed to get into somewhere (either in naija or abroad. he actually was supposed to do university abroad rather than go to OAU, but that is a long story.)

Anyway, let's leave it at that and not makes things personal, imo. . .it really isn't about you or I.

BTW, Awolowo's policies were reasonable in a setting in which the Western Region was one of the wealthier parts of West Africa, and in which the competition for university slots wasn't that high (at the time my dad was going to university, literacy rates in naija were still fairly low.)

Some of Awolowo's policies are not practical today. The world has changed.

Eko Ile:
See how the usual jokers twisted what the man said upside down.

Predictable people,

30+ years of amala politics and awoof mentality has unfortunately ruined the minds of several generations of Nigerians.

They seem to want the very best in life. . .but for free

And we wonder why corruption is so rampant in Nigeria, why nothing works properly.

The struggle continues. . .

pluto04:
I'm sure they do not pay 25K in the 80s. In fact the opposite was the case. Free everyting including meals and a ready job when you finish irrespective of who your father was!

Education is an expensive and valuable thing.

Let's assume temporarily for the sake of discussion that what you say is true.

Do you think it likely that Lagos will continue to be able to continue to dash out this expensive and valuable thing indefinitely?

Something even the US, a country 30 times richer per capita than Lagos cannot provide?

Also, in case it isn't clear. . . raiding the pockets of the wealthy is how many of these universities in at least the US pay for things.

I'm sure if you've browsed before and looked at the tuition of such schools, you see a ridiculous pricetag.

Rich dumb kids pay the full price. Think of the dumb kids of some rich doctor or lawyer. . . his kids don't quite have the brainpower to enter a good school and get a scholarship, but since the guy has money he'll just sent them to the best place the dumb kid gets into and won't mind paying $50k/year in tuition.

However, at that same university dumb kid A gets into, you have smarter poor kid B. Whose entire family earns less than $50k/year. Kid B will get a scholarship and probably end up only paying $20k/year or so.

So in a nutshell, the money raised from the rich is what universities use to provide for smart kids and the poor.

Basically if you drive away all the rich/middle class from your university, your university won't have any money.

It is much better for LASU to raise tuition to N1 million per year, and then out of these funds spend money upgrading their facilities and providing scholarships for smart kids and very, very poor kids than to keep tuition at N25K and just watch as everything slowly runs down.

Finally, LASU probably did not inflation-index their tuition, right? So it is quite likely that after inflation/depreciation, the N25K which students pay now is less than was paid in the 80s, or whenever the university was founded. Obviously, this  situation must be corrected.

Many of you seem to have misread his statement.

His point is that without the fee increment, LASU will only be a university for the poor.

I.e., no middle class or wealthy will attend LASU.

He also explains why this is the happening. . . the facilities are crumbling, and thus the university is unattractive to anyone with means.

(Actually there is a slight hole in his argument. . . the money for upgrades doesn't necessarily have to come from tuition increases. But if not tuition increases, one wonders where the money should come from.)

[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=818800.msg9708190#msg9708190 date=1323193970]An average Yoruba person has Igbo blood in him.[/quote]What? How?

Or are you being confused by the Moremi story into thinking there is some connection?

[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=818800.msg9708204#msg9708204 date=1323194078]In fact which Yoruba or Igbo here doesn't have a person from the opposite tribe in your family? lets be honest.


Waiting for replies. . . . .[/quote]To my knowledge I have no Igbo relatives, at least out to cousins.

very unfortunate

kind of stating the obvious.

Aigbofa:
Let them take a trip to Cuba and see what they call hospitals, with ancient equipments, yet Cubans enjoy some of the best health care in the world. It is not just about buildings.

Yeah, I don't actually think that the American healthcare system is something to copy off of, to be honest.

Don't Cubans spend far less per capita on health care, yet have higher life expectancy and perform better on various other metrics?

Doesn't seem as if the US is spending its money very efficiently on this area.

heh.

@efisher: Any idea about whether the states must also sell the electricity they distribute at FG set prices, or at prices they set themselves?

Someone here asked how Ekiti was going to get electricity. Well, this Obajana cement plant nearby in Kogi State obviously uses lots of electricity.

So that you distribute power only requires you to find someone selling it. . . isn't strictly necessary to enter both businesses.

Pifa: I've read through your comments in this thread. One question for you. Isn't an imperfect and badly designed, even "mediocre" hospital (to use your terminology) better than nothing at all?

Your criticisms seem very legit. But even mediocrity relative to the standards you are used to life represents a vast improvement in the life of your typical Lagosian.

Now, if you are saying that this facility is equivalent to having absolutely nothing at all, to giving birth in the village, then that is a different matter.

If you are arguing that this was a wasteful use of resources entirely, that too is a different matter.

Anyway, your posts were very interesting, at least to me.

birdman:
If prices are set by FG, then this is is DOA. Its the same reason we dont have refining capacity - no investor wants govt. set prices

This is my sense of things too. . . much harder to get things done if you aren't making a profit.

If this really happens. . . then kind of a big deal.

I hope my state governor is plotting how he will make power widely available.

Question though, are states mandated to sell the electricity they sell at prices set by the FG? Or can they charge what they like?

Imo even if they are forced due to FG regulation to sell electricity at a loss, they should see if it is feasible to just eat the loss and make up the money by increased taxes elsewhere.

States Begin Power Distribution Jan., Says Nerc


By John Ofikhenua, Abuja 2 hours 24 minutes ago

Sam Amadi
The 36 state governments of the Federation will next month get the statutory right to generate and distribute electricity from their domain.
Chairman, Nigeria Electricity Regulatory Commission (NERC), Dr. Sam Amadi, disclosed this yesterday in Abuja at a stakeholders’ workshop on the review of the Independent Electricity Distribution Network draft regulation.
He said this would be actualised when the commission’s new set of regulations guiding Independent Electricity Distribution Network Operators and Power Generators becomes operational.
According to the commission, an Embedded Generation is when a power plant is built in a particular locality and not connected to the national grid for transmission.It is a situation whereby the generated capacity is connected directly to the distribution network.
A t presently, the Federal Government has the exclusive right of power generation and distribution for commercial purposes,　 except for some companies that NERC licensed to produce limited power for their industrial applications.
Amadi disclosed that as the regulation is takes off to take effect from next month, 　it is also expected that states with the capacity to generate power in their domain will come forward to seek licenses for operation.
Explaining the method of operation of the new initiative, the chairman noted that it will ensure: "All the cost associated with transmission is bypassed. It is embedded with the distributor locally. It can cure acute shortages of power in the short and long run. A state that has the capacity can have partnership with private sector, set up a power plant to carter for the need of the state."
Amadi, however, said the regulation is predicated on the states’agitation for the removal of power from the exclusive list.
He cited Governor Rotimi Amaechi of Rivers State as one of the governors, who sought that states be allowed to generate their own power to help lift the country from power crisis.
The chairman said: "Instead of running parallel lines running through the cities, you can have power embedded in your state, if you have enough capacity. For instance, Rivers has sufficient capacity. Instead of taking it to the grid,　 you can have power embedded in the state and the surplus you can sell to the grid if you like. What is required is that you have sufficient capacity to distribute that power. That is why we are bringing these new regulations. The cost of evacuating power to the grid and later transmitted back for use locally will be removed."
The NERC commissioner, Legal and Licensing Services, Mr Steven Azinge, said the draft regulations are a product of painstaking effort with input from experts and relevant stakeholders.
Besides, he noted that another window of three weeks will further be opened to receive comments and suggestions from stakeholders for more input to improve the document.
He said the final regulation would be sent to the Ministry of Justice for gazzeting, while the regulation will come into force by January.

http://www.thenationonlineng.net/2011/index.php/business/28751-states-begin-power-distribution-jan-says-nerc.html

Regarding Northern Yoruba, from reading the Willinks report they weren't really unhappy with the North. They were able to get a lot of those civil service jobs since they were better educated than your typical northerner.

Anyway, I'm not too obsessed with them these days. If they prefer the North, so be it.

The neighbors of the Israelis have good reasons to be pissed, no?

WW2 happened, Nazis genocided Jews, then somehow the Jews as compensation get a piece of Palestine as their own country? Wetin concern Arab man or Palestinian man with that?

The moral burden/obligation was on Germany, not Arabs.

That seems unjust to me.

The correct thing to do would have been to give them a piece of Germany as their homeland

But of course, Europeans hate Jews too much to have done that. . .instead they dumped their problem on the Palestinians.

BTW is it me or are the British some of the biggest asshats in history?

Almost everywhere they colonized or meddled in had serious problems afterwards. Palestine, Nigeria, India, etc, etc.

[quote author=musiwa,,. link=topic=818479.msg9702562#msg9702562 date=1323131432]army is a low paying job then in nigeria. Yorubas would not have join. there was less than 1000 yorubas during  the war.[/quote]I know, it probably wouldn't have made sense money-wise to join.

But he could have made it more attractive by offering a stipend for those who joined. We could have easily afforded it, and the investment would have paid off once the British left.

I wish I had a muthafucking time machine, man.

Hausas did not join the army in large #s.

Middle belters did, though.

If the middle belters hadn't thrown in their lot with the rest of the north, no counter-coup would have been possible.

Let us not credit Bello with more foresight than he actually had.

This is the major mistake imo that Awolowo made. From the time he was premier of the Western Region he should have tried to encourage as many Westerners to join the army as possible.

History would have turned out so differently if this had happened. . .  

However, I guess it is easy to speak with hindsight.

[quote author=musiwa,,. link=topic=818479.msg9702462#msg9702462 date=1323129602]Even in abuja the city of Nigeria govt . they employ northerners first .[/quote]100% true, lol. Yar'Adua especially Hausa'd everything up in Abuja.

I don't have a problem with the way these Northerners do this stuff in their own region. What annoys the hell out of me is that they also do it when they gain federal power. How can you turn Abuja, the capital of the country and run it like you'll run Zamfara or whatever, putting only your boys in charge?

It is this basic lack of fair play of Northerners that I think makes other Nigerians absolutely hate them.

Oh well.

I'm obviously not a fan of Bello. But it should be pretty damn easy to see his perspective.

VoodooDoll:
Ahmadu Bello was a tribalist. That much is backed by that video.

Nothing wrong with being "pro-your people -merit permitted" but to do so at the extent of pushing or pulling other people down is wrong!

He may have been a tribalist. But if he viewed "the North" as a separate and distinct entity from Nigeria, then how is he different from an American or Brit who is anti immigration?

Or Ghana that makes it difficult for Nigerians?

If history had turned out differently  and Ghana and Nigeria were somehow one country, would Ghanians be "tribalists" too?

How can you be a tribalist if you never even wanted to be in the same country to begin with? If aliens from outer space conquered earth and forced Mexico and the US to be one country (something most Americans would be against), would the pissed off Americans then be tribalists?

Clearly he never really believed in the concept of Nigeria. It was probably something the British forced on the founding fathers as a precondition for independence. . . who knows what went on behind closed doors?

Given that, I don't see why his position as unreasonable.

Otoh if he had marketed himself as a pan-Nigerian, then his position would be hypocritical.

Pukkah, do you have good GDP estimates of each state? That is something I'd really like to see (but am unwilling to pay the money it will cost to acquire :x)

Or is the general impression created by the sources publicly available (UNDP state gdp estimates, this canback-dangell info from 2007 or so that WIkipedia uses) accurate?

cogsej06:
@ekt bear yeah, but d forum has really grown n I guess its tym he start working towards dat direction. Hv always being a guess memba nt until recently, I decided to register, but its more of no difference since I cant get intouch with people I see online on a private platform.

I've always thought NL could be made a lot more compelling as a site. And also generate more money. Chat is just one possible area of improvement, there are a couple of others I've thought about.

But yeah, like I said, it requires some effort (learning about certain technologies, coding things up and also paying money for a machine powerful enough to host the chat server) to set it up.

I tend to agree. There are a couple of ways to do it, but it takes a bit of effort. . .

Pukkah:
@ekt bear, I worked with the data and it's proprietary information that is not professional to disclose. However, I doubt if it exists on the internet at such level of detail - the spread of incoming remittances in Nigeria.

Hehe

Information wants to be free

Perhaps someone should Wikileak this proprietary data (hint, hint)