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[quote author=Rhino.5dm link=topic=821946.msg9745135#msg9745135 date=1323653009]How does comparing him with Aboki leaders affect what i wrote? Hope your foolishness is making you think am Aboki?. . .

. . .the last time i checked, Benue is a state with second largest largest population of HIV/AIDS patient/victims in Nigeria. So, may be he can start by providing ARV's to his dying population or allow them to continue dying like rats via their favourable trade. Nonsense![/quote]Another great point.

What has David Mark done to stop the HIV epidemic that is ravaging his state and his people?

naptu2:
Nigerians have become used to socialism because military governments of the 1960s and 70s, concerned about retaining power, presented an image of a big father that was ready to provide everything Nigerians wanted, for free. The military governments sucked oil out of the Niger Delta and used the money to take over privately owned schools, over employ people into the civil service and provide free infrastructure. The result1)Niger-Delta crisis (2) Nigerians who don't believe in paying taxes (3) Nigerians who believe father government must control everything and provide everything for free or at unsustainable prices.

+1000

Heh. As much as one day I'd like to serve my people, they seem to be a very ornery lot, difficult to govern.

I salute Fashola for dragging his people to the 21st century, even over the protests of many who would prefer to remain in the stone age.

Forward ever, backwards never.

Abagworo, even if Boko Haram were an entirely Yoruba organization, their actions are still purely for the benefit of a small collection of Northern elites.

The ethnic composition of organizations isn't the most interesting thing. What is more important is who benefits from their actions. . . you must ask, "who they are working for, and whose goals are they implicitly trying to achieve?"

I do agree that the implied threat against innocent Hausa bystanders is unpleasant (who can be in favor of ethnic cleansing or possibly even genocide?)

However, I'm not sure that it is also ineffective, as you seem to be suggesting.

Basically the game BH is playing is to push Nigeria to the edge. But if you "push" a little further (as the OPC is threatening to do), you break Nigeria entirely. . . which if you've paid attention to both the utterances of BH and that of this Northern clique is not something that they desire.

They desire a Nigeria that they can subjugate, not Nigeria broken up into pieces. Since the piece they'll inherit (NW and NE zone) is by far the least appealing.

As much as I find this unpleasant, if some event happens that causes Hausa to be targetted en masse in the SW, that may just be the straw that breaks the Nigerian camel's back.

I don't give a crap about the west or any of this false bravado of David Mark or the useless Zuma.

Do what works. And it should be clear at this point that the western economic models are what work.

I could even see if this were 1960 or so, around the time all these African countries were just getting independence.

They tried their own economic models, and largely all failed.

Meanwhile these Asian countries like Singapore, Korea, Japan and China in 1979 went with the Western economic models and have zoomed past Africa.

I am very tired of dumb leaders like Zuma who keep holding Africa back.

Oduduwa is supposedly a Benin prince, if you believe their stories.

Shango was half Nupe.

This Adekunle fellow's mother was Bachama.

There is that Grace Bent woman who was a senator for the Bachama in Adamawa or so.

I don't think Yorubaland has any major beef with the Middle Belt, at this point in time. Others can correct me if I am wrong and there is major opposition to them, of course.

But it was always Awolowo's policy to seek friendship and alliances in the Middle Belt. And I think that this is a wise policy to continue, personally.

[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=821095.msg9743884#msg9743884 date=1323633785]The SW are clear about not wanting non-yorubas in their country hence the name "oduduwa'.[/quote]I am not opposed to being in the same country as non-Yoruba, personally. It depends on the group, their orientation, etc.

Also, a good chunk of the so-called middle belt is Yorubaland anyways.

Up OPC

Well said Osoba

Down North, this Ezeife fella

Latter two can go F themselves

Hah it has been here for about a month or so, but is leaving today. You *may* be able to catch a showing tonight, but it might be sold out.

Up middle belt

Down north

hercules07:
Mark is a doofus and charity begins at home, what has he done for his idoma people?

Good question.

Lol.

Jacob Zuma is a very dumb nigger.

I shall be back probably tomorrow.

In the mean time. . .

https://www.smartstunblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/phazzer-scorpion1.jpg

^-- Thanks man, I'll check it out.

I realize that I was pretty unclear. I wouldn't abolish the monarchy, French Revolution style or like the Russians did.

What I would do is to scrap the state financial support for monarchs. If the people of town X want to sponsor their king with their personal funds, or the government of town X (in a hypothetical Nigeria where LGAs are not the smallest form of government), then I have no problem with that.

Btw, have you seen Fela? Or do you plan on seeing it? I'll be attending fairly soon. I've heard great things about it.

Book: Late Nigeria president wilted away in office
By JON GAMBRELL, Associated Press – 1 day ago
LAGOS, Nigeria (AP) — Nigeria's late President Umaru Yar'Adua grew so weak while in office he needed once to be carried by a soldier off a runway during a state visit to Togo, ultimately becoming unable to speak in the last weeks of his life, according to a new book by his former spokesman.
The book by Olusegun Adeniyi tells of how the ill leader became a political pawn in a charade that saw soldiers deployed without authorization and rumors of a possible coup float among the elite in the oil-rich nation. It also describes the rise of militancy in the oil-rich country's crude-producing southern delta, including how a militant leader stole thousands of machine guns from Nigerian army depots.
Though portraying his former boss in a largely flattering light, Adeniyi's book shows how tenuous democracy is in a nation plagued by vote-rigging and that cast off military rule only 13 years ago.
"If we will be honest with ourselves, we all know how we rig elections in this country," Adeniyi quotes Yar'Adua as saying during a closed-door January 2008 meeting about the corrupt election that saw him become the nation's leader. "We compromise the security agencies, we pay the electoral officials and party agents while on the eve of the election we merely distribute logistics all designed to buy the vote."
The Associated Press obtained an advance copy of "Power, Politics and Death: A Front-Row Account of Nigeria Under the Late President Yar'Adua" from the author, who now writes a column for ThisDay newspaper. Reuben Abati, a spokesman for current President Goodluck Jonathan, declined to comment on the book. A spokesman for the ruling People's Democratic Party did not respond to a request for comment.
In the book, Adeniyi acknowledges Yar'Adua's ascension to power through a rigged 2007 presidential election. Yar'Adua, already sickly from a chronic kidney condition, weakened quickly under the strain of the presidency.
Those around him tried to protect his image. Adeniyi recounts instructing a cameraman from the state-run television network to film the president from the side only in one instance in 2008 to hide Yar'Adua's swollen face after an allergic reaction.
Yar'Adua then had "minor surgery" in Germany, but could only work a few hours a day, if at all, after the procedure, Adeniyi writes. As he grew sicker, Yar'Adua began receiving medical treatment in Saudi Arabia with government officials suspecting that "American security agents had penetrated the (German) hospital and had gained access to the president's health profile," according to the book.
At one point during a trip to Togo, the military officer assigned to Yar'Adua had to drape traditional robes over his arm to hide the fact he needed to nearly carry the president off a landing strip, the book claims.
Yar'Adua departure in late November 2009 for a several-month stay at a hospital in Saudi Arabia set up a constitutional crisis that saw government grind to a halt in the OPEC member nation. The National Assembly ultimately voted to empower then-Vice President Jonathan to serve as acting president. Yar'Adua was whisked back into Nigeria's capital Abuja under the cover of darkness days later, apparently unable to talk. He apparently was brought back so those close to Yar'Adua could exert control over Jonathan.
Soldiers deployed to the Abuja airport to escort Yar'Adua home in an ambulance without Jonathan's knowledge, the book claims. The next day, rumors of a possible coup flourished.
"There were fears among (Jonathan's) closest aides he could be shot by the soldiers," the book claims.
It later adds: "Signals from the military were also hazy, with fears that some soldiers could take out both Yar'Adua and Jonathan."
Yar'Adua died on May 5, 2010. Jonathan was sworn in as president the next day.
The book also describes the Yar'Adua-led amnesty program offered to militants in the country's Niger Delta, where foreign oil firms have pumped crude oil for more than 50 years. Despite the billions of dollars earned yearly from oil sales, the region remains desperately poor and polluted.
The Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta was the region's premier militant group, its rise aided by a series of weapons thefts engineered by the group's alleged leader Henry Okah from Nigerian military depots, Adeniyi writes. The theft of thousands of weapons, including pistols, machine guns and rocket launchers, "was so staggering and the crime so well organized that the investigating team could hardly determine the exact amount of arms removed," Adeniyi writes.
Okah, who denies leading the militant group, now faces terrorism charges in South Africa over a dual car bombing Oct. 1, 2010, in Abuja that killed at least 12 people. Six soldiers were sentenced to life in prison over the arms thefts.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iuiInfP4ancThSaxQD2veqIO_BPw?docId=058655a15c894b679294965976f7c0bb

Lol @ highest in world.

Highest in Nigeria, probably. And highest of any sub-national unit in West Africa, also very probable.

Thu, 08/12/2011 - 4:49am | ABIOBUN TAIWO News Politics


Ogun State Governor Ibikunle Amosun yesterday said that in the next six months, the state would be the highest producer of cement just as he urged investors to continue to partner with government in the development of the state.

Amosun, who was speaking while on facility tour to Dangote Cement at Ibese, said that the state would take full advantage of Dangote Cement Company and partner with other investors to transform the state economically.

He said, “The present administration is providing an enabling environment for businesses to thrive. Every disincentive to business is being removed and with the coming of Dangote Cement to the state, Ogun will soon be the highest Cement producer in the world.”

He promised better returns on investments in the state even as he said that the nation should diversify its economy with the aim of restoring the glory of the country.

He urged the management of the company to provide necessary infrastructure in the community to enhance development and employ indigenes in order to reduce unemployment rate in the state.

In his remarks, the President of Dangote Group, Alhaji Aliko Dangote, said his interest was to contribute to making Nigeria an industrial giant.

http://leadership.ng/nga/articles/9921/2011/12/08/ogun_may_become_highest_producer_cement_2012_%E2%80%93_amosun.html

Times is hard out here for a p1mp 

On a serious note, seems plausible.

There are two things that always come up when Adekunle is discussed.

1. Some accuse him of genocide or call him a war criminal.

2 Others call him simply incompetent.

I guess once we hash out #1 fully, we can move onto #2.

I can even grab quotes from oyinbo regarding his competence as a soldier, hehe

Stay tuned.

Let me make one thing clear, since OnlyTruth, bashr8 and certain other NLers seem to be confused.

In general, I don't really place much importance on comments regarding intelligence by anyone who I don't at least consider my peer mentally.

Stated more bluntly, people I consider dumber than myself, their comments about intelligence are of no interest to me.

Onlytruth:
@ekt_bear

For someone who claim to have a some empirical background, your thinking here is shockingly daft and deranged.

How dare you compare a PRESIDENT like Abraham Lincoln to a poor weak soldier like Adekunle.  
Anyone with any brains at all would only compare GOWON (not Adekunle who was filling a Nigerian tribal quota position to make the war seem like everyone was against Igbo) with other PRESIDENTS, NOT a soldier who TEMPORARILY commanded just ONE front in a THREE front war.
What school did you attend again? Your intelligence is less than that of a grade 2 kid.

No one cares whether you have morals or not, after all the genocide can come to you next time in Nigeria; just stop comparing great men with weaklings.

BTW I still believe that if Tim Onwuatuegwu knew how loud Adekunle was, he could have assigned the S Brigade the special duty of shutting Adenkule's mouth before Gowon kicked Adekunle out of the 3MCO.

You have missed the point. The point of comparison is not Lincoln/Adekunle as persons, but to compare what they (or their surrogates) were accused of. Arguably Lincoln is responsible for  the atrocities some Southerners claim that his generals did. Certainly they lay most of the blame at his feet.

Since you have missed the point, let me ask again.

Is what Adekunle is accused of doing/saying worse than the entire list of previous unsavory events during war time which I mentioned?

If that is your claim, then back it up and explain why Adekunle is evil but Lincoln is not (or to be very explicit for those too slow to get it, the crimes the Northern generals serving under Lincoln were accused of during the US civil war.)

@Toaskarity: I'm not that difficult to find if one looks. However, what I have said here regarding Adekunle and regarding Nigerian politics/history in general, I'll stand by in RL as well.

I've not taken any positions that are unsavory or to my knowledge completely inaccurate.

So you can very easily find out if I'll back up what I've said here in RL, if you so desire.

realchange:
so why pretend to justify the guys actions? why not just say you support mass killers? no be by force to get conscience abeg.

The point is that if Adekunle is "evil" (using whatever definition you have of the term), then all of those I mentioned are "evil."

Which suggests that your own personal definition of "evil" is awry.

@bashr8: To my knowledge, I have never shown in the past any type of regard for what you think or don't think. So it isn't clear to me why you seem to believe I care about your thoughts now.

lol

I'll answer your question with another question.

Why is Adekunle evil, but the Americans who dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan not evil?

Why aren't the British who firebombed Dresden not evil?

Why isn't Lincoln evil, for burning nearly everything in the southern US to the ground (well, doing so through his generals)?

If Adekunle is evil, then all of the above figures/forces were evil too.

My memory of the events surrounding the Vietnam war has faded quite a bit, but I can guarantee that all sides committed more atrocities than likely anything Adekunle did.

Now it would be a different story if one could demonstrate that Adekunle intended to kill whether you surrendered or not.

But condemning a man for what most consider relatively unsurprising actions in the middle of a war is silly.

I don't even know why I'm even arguing this point. I don't really care whether you like him or not. It isn't by force to agree.

Surely you must mean N4-6 per kWh. 40-60 kobo is an order of magnitude off, even by the foolish standards of PHCN (100 kobo = 1 naira, right?)

Anyway, I'm not holding my breath, let's put it that way.

We all know what should be done. But for whatever reason it isn't happening quickly. . .

I don't view his actions as evil.

He didn't do anything worse than many have done throughout history.

If he is "evil", then so is Abraham Lincoln, General Sherman, Truman, and a host of other historical figures who today are being lionized (or at a minimum viewed neutrally by historians.)

As I said, there is an asymmetry here. That you find Action X repugnant does not mean that it is necessarily evil, or that all must find it wrong.

Onlytruth:
Ok, fair enough, but let's play a little game called "Reverse-role".

Here is the situation reversed:

STERN: [/b]What will your troops do when you get to the Yoruba heartland, that is, to the place populated by Yorubas only?

[b]ADEKUNLE: [/b]There we will aim at everything even if it is not moving.

[b]STERN: But you said yourself that most of the refugees in the part you captured are not Yorubas.

ADEKUNLE: But there could be Yorubas among them. I want to avoid feeding a single Yoruba as long as this whole people have not given up yet.

STERN: Do you sometimes feel sympathy for the Yoruba?

ADEKUNLE: I have learned a word from the British, which is “sorry”! That’s how I want to respond to your question. I did not want this war but I want to win this war. Therefore I have to kill the Yorubas. Sorry!



Now, assume that Adekunle were a Biafra commander in the war; do you think there would EVER be peace between Igbo and Yoruba until Igbo distances from this man and even apologize to the Yoruba about his actions?

You see why we laugh at you guys when you talk as if you seriously want to stop Hausa/Fulani in Nigeria.

Obviously there is asymmetry in our positions. If I had been on the receiving end of Adekunle, I would likely hate his guts and that of his people.

To this day there are Americans who hate the Northern part of the country, hate Lincoln, etc.

I've never asked any of ya'll to be pro-Adekunle or something.

But that I understand why you dislike him doesn't mean I must too. Any more than I must hate Lincoln because a man from Georgia does.

@Onlytruth: There is nothing he did wrong. So he has no reason to be ashamed.

alj_harem, if you are disappointed, then that means you didn't know me well at all to begin with. Nothing I have said here should be a surprise.

Eko Ile:
See as opc waka out in the open with weapons and nothing happen. The last time the little bakasi ruffians waka for r oadeven without weapon, na round den round them up and lock up, level dey abeg.

lmao

very true.