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@alj harem: There is no point even bringing up Dangote. If Lagos State needs someone business-savvy, they should choose someone who earned his wealth without being propped up by the federal government. Dude would be torn into shreds in the environment here in the US. Fake businessman.

Nope, Yoruba man cannot ever be my enemy.

Whatever differences those who think like him and those who disagree have is internal business, not for public consumption and dissemination.

Anyway, guess I am done here.

I hope Yoruba people see very well what is going on here, btw. Shine your eyes very, very well and recognize who your enemy is.

afam4eva:
You have to thank your starts that Igbos are not agressive politically. Even at the national level we fail woefully when it comes to politics.

Be more aggressive! If you have the #s, then use them.

And what do you mean, "even at the national level"? If one doesn't have strength locally, then how can one hope to have strength nationally?

Demonstrate political prowess and numerical strength at the Lagos level. . . if you even can.

[quote="afam4eva"]Do you have brain at all. Let's assume no single yoruba man will vote for an Igbo man. What about the milllions of Igbo population in Lagos. pls think before you spew gibberish on here.[/quote]Don't know how I missed this comment in bold. You are several levels below me, as far as brains goes. So let's not even bother going there.

Haba. This should not be a propoganda thing.

If you have the #s. . . . then show it.

DC is majority black, and thus the local mayors and politicians are black.

If Igbo are even 20% of the population in Lagos, then surely there should be some politicial structures demonstrating this? Or hell, even LANGUAGE?

The US is not even 20% Hispanic, yet Spanish is a major language here.

Why no Igbo-speaking districts in Lagos?

More internet chest-beating, nothing to back it up.

afam4eva:
Pls stop this ignorance. Igbos cannot be 3 million out of 18 million lagosians. Let's just assume it's true. Is 3 million not big enough to win an election in lagos? Or are you assuming every yoruba person will vote for one candidate?

How on earth will you win with only 17% of the population? So you'll win governor with 17%, but cannot even win a senate slot? Or have a good fraction of the House?

Hollow #s, hollow words, no action.

At the end of the day, there is no point talking here about it online. If they believe they have the #s to get it done, then start organizing now. Start winning House of Assembly positions, etc, etc. Build some political infrastructure to then one day take the governorship.

Of course, the reality is that the #s simply do not exist to get this done. Otherwise we'd see action rather than talk.

jason123:
Trust me, I know!

Hehe, ok  

afam4eva:
Do you have brain at all. Let's assume no single yoruba man will vote for an Igbo man. What about the milllions of Igbo population in Lagos. pls think before you spew gibberish on here.

I don't think there are enough Igbo there to win. What fraction of the voting population (or population, period) there is Igbo, in your estimation? Clearly not up to even 30%. . . . probably even 15% is a stretch.

jason123:
Fashola is awori.

How do you know definitively?

afam4eva:
Why do you think so.

How will you get the votes to win?

Let's not even bring up Fashola's background, lol.

Names like "Fashola". . . I dunno if Lagos Yoruba people do "Ifa"->"Fa." But I know at least one place in Yorubaland where that is done  

afam4eva:
There's a sayiing that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If a yoruba man that's not an indegene of lagos can become governor of lagos state. there's no reason why any one else can't.

That isn't how things work in practice though. Ultimately, you have to get people to vote for you to win. Seems pretty unlikely to me that a Hausa, Igbo or whatever running there can win.

As I said earlier. . . anybody can contest, not everyone can win.

TewMuch:
Let him run in Ekiti, this Lagosian disagree's with you. Even an Ekiti man is not allowed to become Governor in Lagos.

Well, thing is nobody can prevent him from running, if he can find a party that'll give him the slot.

However, practically speaking, whether he runs or not he has no chance of winning.

Anyone is permitted to run; nobody is claiming he should not run. Doesn't mean he has a snowball's chance in hell of winning, though.

debosky:
You're being extremely simplistic - no one will give someone unable to prove cash flow, sound management and a clear and definitive plan.

He's not incompetent in any sense.

We can agree to disagree, then.

This is hilarious.

debosky:
Calling him incompetent is quite a stretch. While he did benefit from government patronage, you don't get billions of dollars in investment from foreign banks while being incompetent.

How hard is it to fck up a monopoly? Of course you'll loans and investment. However, that is no measure of competence.

If I discover a gold mine in my back yard, I'll get lots of people willing to give me money to extract the resource. But this doesn't suggest any competence on my own part. . . purely dumb luck.

manny4life:
Go to your father village is the same mentality holding Nigerians backwards. You and I very well know that would the possibility of him doing that is slim, but my question is, just because it's unacceptable, isn't it legal?

What is your argument for this? You've asserted it, but not offered evidence for it.

ideylaff:
LOL


so becos of Dangote Noodles una wan make hin run 4 gofna for wia,  

All these noise about Dangots as if say na one kin Bill Gates or Steve Jobs of Apple Inc. Corp,  No be Government makae am with all dia monopolistic policies over the years, Nothing special about the guy I begiii, 

If anything, dude is incompetent. Wasn't he struggling a few years back? If you give your typical small businessman in Nigeria  a monopoly like Dangote was given, I bet more than 70% of them will do better than him.

KnowAll:
There has not been a federal presence in lagos for the past 12 years now. Dangote would bring the necessary  Federal presence into lagos, and moreso by 2015 we would be having a northern president that would also work in favour of lagos too.

I don't think Lagos State gives a sh1t about the federal government at this point. Who cares about the FG when you are at 80% IGR and can attract billions of dollars in foreign investment?

Salient qualities, like what?

What exactly is he bringing to the table?

Dangote is simply a monopolist, is he not?

I don't see how this makes him a clever businessman.

I'd just rather have another Fashola-type guy take over in 2015.

No point arguing with Biafrans about brave or not.

The sort of bravery that gets your people slaughtered wholesale and gets them made into 3rd class citizens in their own land. . . well, sounds pretty silly to me.

Just as I pray never to go so insane that I'll roast my own hand in a fire, may I never have the sort of stupidity bravery of the Biafrans.

Measure twice, cut once, as they say.

[quote author=bk.babe97y link=topic=599800.msg7694865#msg7694865 date=1297226347]Oh, no. Im not saying Western Nigeria should "stay" in the Union. I sincerely believe that because he is more tolerant of his neighbor and is moderate in his religious belief (peace and stability being necessary for development), and is more educated and "Pro-Development", that if Nigeria was to split today the Yorubas would be better off of the 3 major tribes. Thats just the opinion of an outsider. . . .my opinion!

But, I'm saying, I believe the reason Nigeria is still one is because the Yorubas (her leaders at least) would rather it remains one; probably because theyre thinking "OIL".[/quote]I agree with you on this last point, and wonder whether the facts back it up.

I wish I had data handy describing the VAT figures (Nigerian equivalent of sales tax) for each state, customs money the FG rakes in through the Port of Lagos, as well as the oil, gas reserves and production of each state (as well as offshore.)

My own gut intuition is that If you aggregate these sources of revenue, the SW pays out more than it gets. Lagos for example I'm sure is responsible for 40-50%+ of the VAT revenue of Nigeria, but doesn't get most of this money back.

So even from a pure short-term financial outlook, it isn't clear to me that we'd lose cash by separating.

Not to mention the huge economic gains from fixing power in the country, investing heavily in banking and finance, agriculture, and oil and gas exploration.

24/7 power supply >>>> piddling oil wealth we get.

Thinking short term, as usual, for their individual pockets. But, if they were to think long term, for generations unborn, and getting hold of the oil was their desire, then thats where my "suggestions" come in! Let it go, knowing we'll get it back later.

Ever heard of the term "Indian Giving"?

I don't wish Ijaw harm at all, and don't even wish Igbo harm, to be honest. Ideally this could be an amicable breakup of Nigeria. Doesn't have to be that everyone loses, ideally everyone is better off. I'm not rooting for them to fail.

@bk.babe97y: So yeah, while receiving oil money from someone else's land (the ND delta) is not bad, I'm not sure it is worth the cost.

Isn't like whatever we are seeing now is making much of a difference.

ND oil is not enough for me to think that the Yoruba are best off staying in Nigeria.

Not to mention that there are both onshore and offshore oil blocks that fall under Yorubaland's jurisdiction. Wish I knew how much our oil and natural gas reserves are; don't know off the top of my head.

Anyway, oil/NG are a nice additional resource to have, but not enough to build a society by themselves.

fstranger3:
Things are changing

OPC has been doing great, if not for the in fighting between Gani Adams and Faseun, they would have been more formidable and better organised than they presently are. Hopefully, going forward, they both can work on their differences for the good of the SW.

That beef needs to be squashed ASAP, whatever it is. We cannot afford to be divided against each other in Nigeria.

And we need to work towards state police. From there to a militia is quite easy. Plus it will be much better funded if it can be funded by individual states. The ND militants are funded essentially by politicians and bunkering, and we've seen how powerful they've become in a short period of time. State cash is necessary for a strong militia.

alj harem:
the truth is that igbo fear us northerners than yorubas

fact!!!!

We lack an army. That is the cold, hard truth. Once we have an ethnic army like the North does, or even the ND militants do, then the reality on the ground in Nigeria will be very different.

That is really all it boils down to. Nobody listens to you in this country w/o the threat of violence.

fstranger3:
not sure if that is the right way to put it.

anyways, how would you have handled the situation?

I'm not sure, I don't have enough information. Perhaps the outcome was the best possible one we could have gotten, even with hindsight. But seems like a pretty sh1tty outcome, where you don't have control over the army in your own land, people are declaring states of emergencies in your territory, your land is carved up, leaders imprisoned anyhow and killed.

In any case, going forward we should not have any delusions about what makes Nigeria tick. Raw power is all that matters in this country.

Katsumoto:
You are being unkind. Awo was not ready to compromise on his plans for his people. He could have played the game being played by those at the centre and his people would have being worse for it. He was outmaneuvered by whom? What did Bello achieve for common man on the street in the North. Is Zik idolised in the East?

Awo laid good foundations for his people and that is what matters. It was Nigeria's loss that Awo wasn't president.

It is what it is. He lost the mid-west territory, lost control over the Western region to Akintola and allowed the enemies of the Yoruba people to cause chaos in the land, got himself imprisoned on trumped up charges, and kept trying to make alliance with the Igbo when it is clear they meant nothing but harm for him.

Only reason why things turned out halfway decently is because of the incompetence of the Igbo coup plotters and Ironsi. If they'd be somewhat reasonable in their actions (capture rather than kill leaders, place less trust in Northern soldiers, consolidate their hold on the army), the counter-coup would never have occurred and they'd be dominant in all of Nigeria today.

Anyway, I'm sure he tried his best. But results are all that matter to me. And the end result would have not been very good without a fortuitous miscalculation by his enemies.

[quote author=mr.official link=topic=599170.msg7686298#msg7686298 date=1297115805]^ Why would a christian go deposit in an islamic bank? LoooooooL.[/quote]If the islamic bank gives you a better effective interest rate, you would not? If you are executing a business deal and the Islamic bank leads to more profit for yourself, you'll say hell no?

Money has no religion associated with it. Me as a Christian, if Hindu bank offers the best deal, I'll take it.

Perhaps a bioscientist can chime in. . . how accurate are these genetic tests? Are they able to identify that specifically?

I've always been under the impression that it was a bit of a crock. . .but have not thoroughly researched their methodology to make sure that it is valid.