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^-- I guess my point is that once you have enough imported cows you just breed them and thus don't have to import anymore. In other words, with enough imported cows no need to deal with Fulani ones instead. So why the emphasis on improving the Fulani cow breed rather than just swapping them out for foreign ones? Generally when you crossbreed, the point is to get the best of both breeds. Yet it appears that the foreign ones are superior from a milk productivity perspective, and survive just as well as the local ones. So the local breed doesn't have anything to offer. So why "We have to improve the Fulani cows, there is no other way"? That is what I don't get. |
[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=603027.msg7720044#msg7720044 date=1297540496]Uche you tend to give these people too much credit.They kill your people but you hold them up in such high regards. It's attitudes like that which make people like me become clannish and not want to be associated with Igbos like you from the East. You forgive the people who are killing and despoiling you women yet you insult those who are not.[/quote]EzeUche is one of many Fulani-worshiping Nigerians. Sadly, Fulani-worship is a disease which afflicts not only Igbo, but Yoruba and of course especially Hausa. Dude deserves to be smacked silly. |
Katsumoto: ![]() Almost comical (in retrospect) that Zik wanted to govern the West. May as well have a Soviet agent at the height of the cold war run for president of the US. I hope that there are no Yoruba foolish enough to let one such as he ever gain power in their land. |
Very interesting interview indeed. Not sure I agree with his sentiment that the naira should be strengthened. Main thing is that it doesn't get any weaker, that everyone feels confident that $1=150 naira for now and for the future. Stability, essentially. |
“ So that you can buy a bottle of fresh milk which is made in Nigeria, one hundred per cent in Lagos or other parts of the country. The government will not be wasting its valuable oil money to import milk from Europe and America. I am an African. Africans must learn to stand on their feets. The business of leaning to the West is nonsense. The problem I find all the time is that Africans think they are useless. All they say is: ‘It is not my fault’. They are happy to say: ‘I am a black man’, every time something goes wrong. I want to change that mentality. Then I can make some money at the same time.Heh. He harped on the fact that one of the biggest problems in Nigeria is too much oil wells. And that has created a lot of dependency on the West. The banks make easy money from oil. “To make money out of lending to farmers is hard work.Indeed. Subsistent or personal agriculture he said degrades the soil and the environment. “Up till now, all the milk you buy in Nigeria was produced by white farmers in Europe. Now when you drink Peak Milk, you are drinking part of the milk we are producing in Shonga. The money is staying in the country. It is creating wealth.”This, I didn't quite get. Despite her age, she is a spirited woman: “You have to keep working to keep fit. Once you stop working, you die. Work is work, it depends on what you put into it. And we are able to teach people. Isn’t that what we are here for? To teach Nigerians agriculture, and we are doing a great job. The people around this area are very willing to learn how to do things. Studying microbiology and other things is very different from managing fresh milk.” The General Manager submitted that one has to come and work on the farm to get the technology of commercial agriculture. “ Other states have to open up more farms and do the same things that we are doing here. You can’t just farm on one hectare of land and expect to make money. You got to have a big farm. You need to have the factory to process your products like cassava on the farm. So that you don’t have to look for transport, because your roads are not good. I don’t even know how those drivers manage.”Preach, good woman! “If you do your agriculture properly, you will be able to export to other countries. Export Banana, Pineapple, pawpaw etc. Zimbabwe used to be the food basket of Africa. It used to produce enough food and vegetable to fly a plane out, every night to Europe. But all that is over, because of poor management. It is very sad.Lol, she underestimates the size of Zimbabwe. But yes, the River Niger is an underexploited resource. |
Kobojunkie:How do you define "unnecessary"?!?!?! That is my whole point. You've added nothing to the discussion unless you've defined unnecessary. Obviously, nobody wants to go into unnecessary debt. But which ones are necessary and which ones are not? |
^-- Nice article. I badly want commercial farming in Ekiti State. Hrm. . . |
Wow. |
hhm m m , I hope you re-read the above to understand how I think it is sort of from a biased point of view. You have no real info on what exactly the money Lagos has borrowed so far has been, and is being, spent on but you are all too willing to say "BORROW-ON, MR GOVERNOR"?I see your point a bit, but a lot of it is trust and reputation. I only vaguely know about the composition of US debt and obligations, but overall I (and the world in general) feels safer investing their money in US treasury bonds than any other investment in the world. Anyway, long story short, I trust the Lagos State gov't to spend its money more efficiently than the Nigerian FG. Enugu, Anambra, Kaduna . . . . Yes, some are oil producing states but even oil producing entities CAN borrow for projects as well.What is your basis for saying these states are doing as well? To this, again I say, not all debt is good debt, and debt is no guarantee for development.Kobo, but this is all obvious, no? We all know it to be true. Plus, you have to pay the debt back at some point.This is true of debt in general. But that I have to pay back is not what I use to decide whether to take out a loan or not. So it makes sense, again, to ensure that we only borrow when we have to. I mean this is all I have been saying and continue to say.What does "have to" mean, though? It isn't very practical advice unless you define what your threshold for "have to", is. Right now, very nebulous. |
Kobojunkie:Well, to answer this question we'd need to know what exactly the money Lagos has borrowed was spent on. And. . . what does the president have to do with this? We are talking about Lagos, not the FG, right? I do NOT want the Nigerian FG to borrow much money, since I have no faith in their ability to spend this money properly. Lagos can borrow as much as it likes since I trust its government. Nigerian FG should not. sigh . . . We would all love to see Lagos become a Dubai/London/NY tooWho said anything about Dubai? I don't even think in that sort of way. . . I'm sort of a case by case sort of person. Does this project merit borrowing money? I won't borrow money for a project that makes no sense just because of some Dubai fetish. but the fact is NOT ALL DEBT is GOOD DEBT and so as the state acquires more of it, it is sensible for people to question the need for all the debt.Oh, I completely agree. Every time Lagos borrows, we need to know what they are spending the money on. There are other states out there, equally developing, but not accruing debt at the same pace Lagos is.Name some names? Which states are developing as well as Lagos? And if you are comparing to an oil-producing state, then your comparison must be taken with a grain of salt. Rivers for example gets an assload of oil cash, and has much smaller population. Anyway, you miss the point. If I have a business, it might be growing pretty well even w/o me borrowing any money. But if I've identified some 15% opportunities, I'd be growing even faster if I borrow money at 5% to take advantage of those opportunities. |
Here is another analogy, Kobo. US medical school education. Most people go heavily in debt to pay for med school. . . .not sure what the average debt level is, but $200K is not atypical. But obviously the longterm benefits make it worthwhile. Medical school is like borrowing from the federal government at say 5 or 6% and investing in a project (namely your education) that will give you a massive return (I've never really calculated what the rate of return is for being a medical doctor versus other jobs that pre-med students can get, but I imagine it is pretty high.) Anyway, long story short, debt CAN be good, if you invest the money properly. Lagos for the most part invests its money better than the other states in Nigeria (and obviously better than the federal government.) |
Most debt in Nigeria can be good debt, if spent efficiently and on reasonable projects (not floating cities, as GEJ proposes). The right analogy (I think) is a proposition in which you can borrow at 10% and invest in something that yields 30%+. Clearly you win massively. Obviously the goal of the government isn't to seek profits. . . but the benefits of say light rail are huge, and are passed onto society. And there are many such capital projects that are hugely beneficial to the people, vastly more so than the money spent. (Most of this is true just because the existing infrastructure in Nigeria is pretty terrible. So anybody who borrows to fix this is going to be providing far more benefit than the money he spends.) OTOH, since the US is a very well-developed country, there are less opportunities to borrow and spend on things that will dramatically boost the economy. Analogy might be borrowing at 6%, getting a return of 10%. Or in certain infrastructure projects done in say Alaska (e.g., the bridge to nowhere), might be getting a negative return on investment ![]() I'd love to see Lagos at $10 billion or so in debt, so long as I can guarantee that: A) The money will largely be spent on good projects B) The projects will be completed, money isn't stolen away (at least, not too much). |
seanet02:I hope it is just the result of him reading too many sci-fi books, not something he plans on literally implementing, lol. Would be a colossal waste of money. |
Hashed out pretty thoroughly here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-603211.0.html I wish the mods would merge some of these redundant threads. |
Dunno why some of ya'll are being pessimistic here. Done elsewhere in the world, too: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-09-09-fla-county-trash_x.htm http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/13/science/earth/13trash.html?_r=1 And we've seen that projects Lagos executes tend to be executed well. At some point, this might become a thriving business through Nigeria. |
The Managing Director of the Lagos State Waste Management Authority, Mr. Ola Oresanya, said that work had started at the Ojota waste dump to generate electricity from the site. He said that LAWMA, in its recycling effort, had started converting ‘pure water’ sachets into plastic bags. He, therefore, urged Lagosians not to throw away the sachets of the ‘pure water’ they drink, but bring them to the recycling plant to earn some money. Oresanya told SATURDAY PUNCH on Friday that LAWMA engineers had started digging the dump site for methane, which had accumulated over a period of 19 years and would be converted to electricity. He said the authority embarked on the job, having waited endlessly for foreign bodies to collaborate with it on the project. He said LAWMA was ready to make mistakes and learn from them in the course of the project. He said, “If you even look at the history of that dump site, it started operation on November 19, 1992. That is a long time and we have been dumping refuse there since then. “We have dumped more than 25 million tonnes of waste. When we first started, we were not really compressing the refuse; so, the refuse had enough spaces that would allow oxygen to combust and that was why it was always in flame. “Right now, we are compressing the waste and there is no more void space, taking it from density of about 0.35 to almost 0.9. So, we’ve been successfully trapping the methane in that site. “The methane gets released during the rainy season and the area is filled with obnoxious odour. But right now, the methane and other gasses have been recovered; we have started drilling for gas, which we are going to use to fire electricity generating equipment to be installed this year.” Oresanya said LAWMA was not collaborating with any foreign partner, describing the project as simple science, which Nigerian engineers were capable of actualising. He said, “We have our engineers; we know what we want to do. The science for it is not rocket science; it is a very simple science. We have geologists; we have civil engineers, electrical engineers. “We know the kind of equipment we are to buy and we know the kind of drilling we are doing. So, we are doing it basically in-house. Yes, we can ask for one or two professional ideas. We are ready to make our mistakes and learn from them. “Before now, we were waiting for international bodies to collaborate with us, but we found out that we would wait endlessly because these people are not interested in our progress and we better do it ourselves, make our mistakes and learn from them and make progress.” Oresanya asked Lagosians to earn income by exchanging their sachets of ‘pure water’ for money instead of throwing them away. “We are converting ‘pure water’ sachets into bags and we are buying at N30 per kilogramme. It is right there in Olusosun; take a kilogramme of sachets of pure water there and get N30 on the spot. Seeing is believing. Let the world know that in Lagos, when you drink ‘pure water’ and throw away the sachet, you are throwing away money. “All you need to do is to get in there to the dump site, which used to be a nuisance. The direction to our recycling plant is there and people are being paid,” he said. http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art201102123305756 |
komando7:Man does not live by bread alone. . . ![]() |
Any state by state data? |
excanny:Hrm, this I didn't know. Anyway, regarding the OPs question, I feel people have a right to be addressed by the name they choose for themselves. Since 90%+ of Igbo seem to prefer Igbo, I call them that. |
sbeezy8:Why? |
sbeezy8:Let him talk o! He is the face of the franchise. And hopefully positioning for 2015. Anyway, dude is the most popular politician in Nigeria, so has the political capital to say this. |
I love this new Fashola! ![]() |
. . . damn. |
cheikh:My religion commands: "23: And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, 24: Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25: Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe." I'm by no means the best of Christians, but these particular verses I will always follow ![]() |
@sbeezy8: Fulani are not indigenous to any part of Yorubaland, dunno what that dude is talking about. They can make a claim to Guinea, Mali or places like that. Or Sokoto if they like. In any case, whenever they cause trouble or their cattle eat crops, blood must be shed. |
Alj Harem, you will cower in fear like a chicken rather than defending your people, their property and lives? These aren't robots or aliens who cannot die. They are flesh and blood like everyone else. Not even armed with bullet-proof vests or anything. Knife, machete, and guns are the answer, not fear. If another people who you outnumber can whip you on your own land, then you do not deserve to keep it. |
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^-- I'm quite pleased that this Cryafra meme has caught on |
PhysicsMHD:Lol, Igbo persecution complex is an old thing indeed, then. That speech is from 1949. |
Abu-Maryam stupidly defended them due to ethnicity, "northern brother" bullsh1t. I hope you'll still be defending them when they r@pe and then kill you. |
This really doesn't have anything to do with religion. No reason for it to be brought up. Simply property rights. Nothing more, nothing less. If a Christian/Atheist/Hindu Yoruba/Ijaw/Igbo steals from you, it is no different from a Muslim Fulani doing the same. |
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This goes with the message "Not all debt is good debt".