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He will win pretty easily. He is probably the most popular politician in Nigeria, period.

appletango:
^^

And which one of his children are you??

Omenani:
I don't see how Igboland would be landlocked though, since the people from Cross River and Akwa Ibom would join the Igbo people. They wouldn't join Cameroon, nor would they join the Ijaws. The only alternative is the Igbo who are the lesser of the two evils.

Well, another option for them is independence. No real reason for them to necessarily join another country.

Anyway, regarding your statement. . . I wonder. Southern Cameroons for example had a plebiscite and left to join Cameroon instead of Nigeria. I've read something indicating that part of the reason they made this decision was due to dislike of the Igbo (see here: http://www.jstor.org/pss/523673).

Anyway, you seem to have great confidence about what decision another ethnicity would make. Hopefully you are correct.

$5 billion a year? No wonder he changed his tune so quickly, lol.

Onlytruth:
That topic has been discussed in GREAT DETAIL here on nairaland. Search for it.
My point remains that it is in their interest to join the Igbo. They would lose more if they don't. Let's end it there.

If you say so, I'll take your word for it.

Meanwhile shouldn't you be busy wondering how YOU will survive a deflated Lagos with area boys reining supreme now that Igbo boys are gone?

We will build an electric fence to check them.

Area boys reigning supreme, ke?

Anyway, while it is a loss to lose people, ultimately they can be replaced; people from all over W. Africa move to Lagos. And certainly whatever property/infrastructure they built cannot be carried on their backs with them; it will presumably be sold by those leaving and manned by whoever purchases. I'm fine with that outcome.

Once oil finishes, you will find out that out of about $100 billion income, 97% will be from EXPORT of FINISHED GOODs -automobile and technological equipment made in Igboland. The coastal guys can decide to get allocations of $20 -$50 billion by joining us, or we pay them $200 million a year for allowing us use their ports. If they refuse, we use Cameroon for even less. All these is assuming anyone will be insane enough to try to seize Igbolands accessing the sea by the rivers.

Where on earth can you export goods and pay only 200 million on nearly 100 billion in exported goods? 0.2% in export duties? Think more like 10 or 20 billion. Cameroon is of course an option to give you more choices, but it will only help so much.

Regarding rivers, you cannot sail down the river owned by another man. He will charge you fees to use it. Or which river directly connected to the Atlantic is wholly in Igboland?

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=71106.msg7331413#msg7331413 date=1292316471]You're thinking that when Nigeria breaks, some of those coastal states wont be joining with their bros/sis? States like Cross River and AI?

I thought Biafra was not only about Igbo states?[/quote]Why would Cross Rivers and Akwa Ibom join for free? Why not instead maintain independence and charge import/export duties? Surely it is more profitable to do this than to join Biafra, is it not?

It isn't as if they are Igbo in CR or AI. Why would they gift Biafra with access to the sea? It is a valuable resource that me personally I'd extract every penny I could from. Can you imagine how profitable it would be taking a large cut of everything that leaves Biafra and enters it?

Onlytruth:
As you know, Switzerland is landlocked and still more successful than Somalia with one of the longest sea coasts in Africa. Even Botswana is landlocked but still more stable and richer than Somalia.

Well, that is two success stories out of how many? Makes no sense to consider only the successes without considering the numerous failures.

In any case, Botswana has a tiny population. What, 2 million people in a land filled with diamonds, arable land, cattle farms, agriculture, etc. Obviously it is easy to build an enormously wealthy country if your land is filled with diamonds and not overpopulated.

I know less about the factors for Switzerland's success, though.

As for our wealth outside Igboland, they can be repatriated one way or the other. The only thing is that property values will skyrocket in Igboland but collapse in Lagos and other areas.

Property prices will indeed skyrocket in Igboland. And they will indeed fall in Lagos, mostly because there will be a large amount of property sold rapidly at bargain prices by Igbo leaving for Biafra.

Still, I'm not too worried about the longterm growth and economic security of Lagos. The 8% population growth of the state probably is not entirely from Igboland, lol. Whoever leaves can and will be replaced.

With our "can do" spirit -which is worth more than gold- we are unstoppable.

Eh, if you want to base things on fuzzy optimism, so be it. Me, I'm more interested in logistics and practicalities.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=71106.msg7331350#msg7331350 date=1292315905]I have to disagree here. Being landlocked means nothing. Diplomacy doesnt end with the breakage.[/quote]How on earth does being landlocked mean nothing? It means you are paying someone else an arm and a leg to bring in any goods you want to bring in. You are paying out of your @$$ to export, too. The odds of building a successful country without access to the sea are vanishingly small, in my opinion.

Think practically. Your landlocked country produces potatoes. The only way to export them is through your neighbor X, who controls the sea. What if he charges a 15 or 20% export fee on your potatoes? You see how this sucks away your competitive advantage and thus profitability, right? He is basically taking at 15% cut on EVERYTHING you export! And imagine if he takes a 15% cut on everything you import, too?

Like I said, there is a good reason almost no landlocked country in the world is successful. It is hard to compete when you pay more to produce/buy stuff than other people do.

I personally think they'll survive too. If the best is breakage, so shall it be. Each on their way, abeg.

Indeed. They are good people and am sure they'll survive. But surviving is one thing, prospering is another. It is the latter I seek for me and mine.

Onlytruth:
Why do you like lying to yourself?
Put up a poll here and ask your Yoruba folks to vote about staying in Nigeria or leaving and I guarantee you will get at least 85% wanting to stay.
Do the same thing and ask Igbos and you will get the OPPOSITE.
Keep lying to yourself.

These are two separate issues, though. If Nigeria breaks up, I think we Yoruba will be fine. But that doesn't mean that this is the best of all outcomes. The best of all outcomes imo is political mastery over our region, aggressively using our federal allocations to build up our territory, and then proceeding from there. Just because Situation A is good doesn't mean you'll agitate for it if Situation B is better. And it is starting to appear that we will be able to achieve Situation B by simply kicking the PDP out of the Southwest and installed good leaders like Fashola in our land.

Regarding the Igbo and how they'd vote . . . personally, me if I were Igbo, I wouldn't be interested in leaving. Being a landlocked country kind of sucks. It is really hard for me to think of any nations on earth without access to the sea which are doing well. Not to mention issues like erosion, a lot of your wealth being outside of your territory. . .

Anyway, to each his own, you guys do what you think best for your people.

@fstranger: Haha, no personal experience with a MILF, that is just what they say

strangerf:
Glad to know Ileke is not in your radar

Seems the coast is clear for Ileke and I to live happily forever after. Good thing, I am into sugar mama, cougar ish.

Everyone loves MILFs Very Hot, low amounts of drama. A win/win combination.

Onlytruth:
I am actually praying for the oil to finish so that we know who really wants to stay with who in Nigeria.
What we have now is oil-based marriage.

I think we already know who wants to stay in Nigeria, right? Those without oil, those who would be landlocked. Fortunately for my people, we have both oil and access to the sea. Oil isn't much, but it is good enough to fund other industries.

And of course, we have the wonderful city/metropolis of Lagos. This is our ace card. I feel pretty good about our future if (when?) Nigeria separates.

EDIT: typos

@fstranger: Haha, fair point. I'm very hesitant to hit on girls from Ekiti though. Recently I was been burned by finding out that a chick from Ekiti I found attractive was TOO closely related to me. Like, TOO close. Like, same village, my daddy and her daddy are cousins, close.

Fortunately things didn't progress enough to risk inbreeding, lol.

Girl had a banging body though, made me sad  She ran track in college and had an amazing behind. . .

Ileke, why are you lying about your age? I recognize that table, my neighbor has one that looks exactly like it. Like, literally exactly.

igbobuigbo:
Also abundant oil in Anambra not yet tapped

Don't worry your head, Nigeria will tap it

sochan:
really? so you think power alone will fixed our economy? in a country froth with undescribale level of corruption and mis-rule.

In a nutshell, yes. Most countries in the world are corrupt to some degree or another. Honestly, I think the power issue is more important than even corruption. After all, even if the pie were perfectly shared, it would still be tiny. Simply put, the economy is too small. We need more money. Power helps you make money.

igbobuigbo:
This guy, you are a covert tribalist
Always looking out only for your neck of the wood.

Covert? I am obvious, blatant, and a proud tribalist! Why should I look out for people who are not my own?

So you want to finish the oil from other people's neck of the wood before starting to enjoy your phantom fiscal independence?

I'm pro resource control, personally. But I certainly will not turn away the money under the current arrangement

Omenani:
The oil in Igboland hasn't been tapped into praise the Lord. And I do not think it will ever be fully tapped into if the Igbo remain in Nigeria. As soon as the oil in Imo and Abia is touched, you better believe the wider Igbo will not allow that to happen.

Lol, at if Igbo people can prevent oil in their land from being tapped. You'd better pray that it isn't commercially viable there  Also, there is still the coal of Enugu that remains unharvested, and ripe for the plucking 

Alright, I'm think I'll be going to Best Buy tomorrow morning. After doing a bit of research, my guess is that iPod Touch 8GB (fourth generation) is likely to be my best bet.

If anyone is interested in purchasing from me, let me know. I'll be in Abuja. Again, I'll be selling brand new iPod Touch 8GB (fourth generation.) Price will be 45K Naira OBO. If interested in making a pre-order and you live in Abuja, send me an email at ripp.ripp@hotmail.com.

If you are interested interested instead in a larger model than the 8GB (e.g., the 32GB or 64GB), email me and let me know (as well as the price you are willing to pay), and I'll consider buying the larger model instead.

As I said, I'll be selling the iPods out of Abuja, and they'll be available from roughly December 20th onwards.

Probably worth bumping.

Pretty embarrassing for this dude.

Also, to search, I usually use the following:

"Nigeria site:213.251.145.96"

without the quotes, into Google. You can substitute Abuja or whatever else you like.

OBJ = True Badass. Stylish outfit. . . Jimmy Carter look like his servant or errandboy 

Hello,

I'm taking a trip to Abuja for the holidays. I would like to bring some small, costly electronics (e.g., iPods, iPhones, etc) to sell. Can anyone make recommendations for things that would sell quickly? I want to buy 30 or 40 units of electronics and be able to ideally sell them within a week, since I'll only be in town for a short period of time.

Also, who is the best sort of person to sell to? Ideally I could find an electronics store in Abuja that I could sell all my product to. Has anyone here done such and had success with this? Or do you typically sell one at a time to individuals?

Thanks in advance for your comments.

Interesting analysis. The secret ballot part seems very difficult for GEJ to get around. Will be interesting to see how this turns out.

The spam filter

igbobuigbo:
You are fake and you know it. You are anything but Ishekiri. To put it straight, you are a Yoruba.

Eh, these boundaries are fluid. I am sure in the old days one of my ancestors viewed himself as Ekiti only and viewed other Yoruba ethnic groups as completely different. The passage of time causes things to change, though 

alj harem:
ok we know yorubas are sometime lazy people who would perfer to be a tout or beg if the job given to them is not good enough

Eh, I hope that this is not true  If it is, we will need to change. You'll not be able to compete against the other nations of the world like Japan, Germany, etc if your people are lazy and decadent. This is part of a lot of the problem I have with native born Americans for example. They are on average lazy and don't like working hard or studying. Instead of competing, they want to whine and complain that the government should protect them.

We cannot afford to have the same mentality in Yorubaland, especially as we are further behind than the leading countries of the world.

How much money do you need to start selling pure water? Or to cook and prepare food on the roadside? Or to move to a village and work as a farmer? Or to work as a security man? Or cook? Or houseboy?

I remember when I went to the market in Abuja (Otako market, iirc?), there would be little kids with wheelbarrows who helped people move the goods they bought from the market to the car.

There is nothing wrong in my opinion with doing hard jobs that others find undesirable. You can start from the bottom, work hard and rise. It might not even be in your own generation there is breakthrough, it might be only your grandchildren who are able to break through. But you have to start from somewhere.

Beggars contribute nothing to society, and we cannot encourage healthy and hearty people to be begging. It is madness and only leads to ruin.

Spambot swallowed my previous post, as well as the one I made under an account made by my buddy.

Long story short:
a) no whole and hearty man should be begging.
b) Social security is for the old or sick, not for the whole and hearty.
c) I'm not an ethnic supremacist, only very critical and concerned by bad behavior by my people.
d) Blaming corruption and misrule for bad behavior makes no sense; Nigeria is not the only poorly run country on earth.

EDIT: Lanre if you are reading this, I hope you see what I do in my free time