hoopLA:

This is a daft answer,and I'm not even trying to insult you.

I hope you know that some of us actually were around when Moyes took over Everton.

The same Everton who couldn't win away at any of the top 4 side throughout his tenure.

Or his miserable record in the Merseyside derby especially at Anfield?

You just throw shït on the wall hoping it sticks.

Oga go back to the likes of Ernest Okonkwo of blessed memory,Tolu Fatoyinbo, Fabio Olanipekun,Mainasara Ilo,Paul Ogazi and Modele Sarafa Yusuf to spin this yarn.

Did he finished top 4 for once? Did his 4-4 draw not prevent Manchester United from winning the EPL?

Which other manager outside the top four was as consistent as Moyes.

You no know ball

lekkie073:
he also bought mata and one useless reserve player that I have forgotten his name. Janku or something like that

Januzaj

Illimitable:


He bought Mata. He inherited a title winning squad and he also had ample time to make changes but he was lapping up the euphoria and novelty in becoming Man Utd manager for almost 3 months.

Moyes is an idiöt. He could have succeeded if he wanted to but the job was just too much for him. The worst mistake was sacking Fergie’s back room staff and bringing the quacks he worked with at Everton(who had achieved nothing with him) to Man Utd.

United went from being champions to 7th the next season. Probably the worst title defence in the history of Premier League. I cannot recall any defending champions that finished 7th the following season apart from Leicester who flukes their way to a title. Moyes is a hopeless manager. Just leave him where he’s at.

This was 100% your argument while you were another person that year.

lekkie073:
the players he bought for manutd were also not his kind of players? Stop saying rubbish joor.

Who did he buy? Fellaini who was his 5th choice midfielder? Just a make shift for one season

My believe is that a coach is great if his tactics align with the team he is taking over. Or that he has been given a big cheque to bring in new players (his first choice players). The other alternative is when a coach inherit a world class team like when Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Alves when in Barca.

lekkie073:
and what happened during his time in Real Sociedad and Sunderland?
He should have also kept them in top 6 with their low budget.

He did not have his kind of players.

hoopLA:

He wasn't ready for the Man United job in 2013.
Don't be a hindsight champion.
We all saw how terrible he was.
He's had 6 years to grow.
Don't make another argument that doesn't exist just for the sake of it.

He was like this at Everton. Every top 4 team dreaded playing against Everton. They would give you a high tempo football for 90 minutes

lekkie073:

Is Moyes of 2013 the same as Moyes of 2021?

Yes. This is Moyes we knew at Everton. Everton was battling relegation season after season until Moyes arrived. He kept them on top 6,7 and even finished 4th once. All on low budget.

In United, he never had the opportunity to bring his kind of players. The pressure of post SAF era was too heavy for him.

Man Utd starting lineups vs Man City:- De Gea, Ferdinand ( Evans 46′), Vidic ( Jones 46′), Evra ( Rafael da Silva 72′), Smalling, Carrick ( Cleverley 46′), Young, Nani, Anderson, Rooney, Welbeck ( Berbatov 89′)

Subs:- Lindegaard, Jones, Berbatov, Park, Rafael, Cleverley, Evans
........

The above community shield 2011 kind of reveal something. It was about time United needed quicker legs to replace Ferdinand, Vidic, Carrick, but SAF was slow to do this. Same with his slowness not to replace Scholes and Giggs by calling for fund to buy a player like Modric.

What we have in the above was that we were down 2-0 at half time, then SAF removed the tiring legs like Vidic, Ferdinand, Carrick at half time. He brought in fast legs- Jones, Evans and Cleverley. Then we scored two. Later Raphael for Evra, and we won 3-2.

Now these young guys carried on winning matches easily and scoring many goals. We were topping the league too. But one major blow (6-1) loss to City, SAF reverted to old legs (if my memory serves me right). Till today, we still suffer low quality from defence to midfield.

Karleb:


Stop having evil thoughts.

Moyes was phenomenal at Everton before he turned us to what we are today.

Even Ole won trophies at Molde.

Manchester United was alreading going down before Ferguson left. For two to three seasons, we were going to the Manchester derby matches as the underdog. Even when we managed to win, we were being outplayed and relied on counter attacks to score, then soak the pressure. The tactics was more like soaking the pressure, rely on luck to score, late winners etc.

The defenders were old and relied on the team playing as a unit to work well. We conceded first in many matches and the forward players helped turn in around.

When Moyes came in and decided everyone had to play in zones instead of forward players going back to help a lot, defenders like Ferdinand, Evra and Vidic were exposed. Evra's wing was already becoming an issue when SAF was here. Vidic and Ferdinand lack of pace, coupled with their age was an issue considering the pace of opposition players in modern football

At least a coach with experience is better than an apprentice coach. See what Moyes is doing with a small team. But she, the weight of Man United is heavy on coaches. Even Van Gaal got confused at some point. When he became deep in fire, he resorted to playing more of kids just as a defence that he was building for the future instead or helping to raise future super stars.

See David Moyes o

The one they said knew nothing about tactics is sitting joint 2nd on the table coaching WEST HAM. Same points as City

Illimitable:


Hahahaha - I knew you would deny this.

This discourse started with your assertion that Jose never did well with young players(apart from Porto).

I pointed it to you that he did well with young players at Chelsea and I went on to show you proof that his 04/05 squad had the youngest age average in PL history.

You asked to see the number of minutes played by the young players to build a case for your argument and that is when it went left for you.

You cited 1600 mins as proof of lack of trust in young players and I cited Pogba’s stat in 19/20. You quickly saw the folly in that point and tried to reverse back by using “whatever happened to Pogba” as a crutch.

When you finally realized factors like injury, bereavement, lack of fitness can also contribute to the lack of minutes, your mouth started twitching. You then tried to inject agberoism into the argument by saying my epistle is a proof of a lost argument.

When will you learn your lesson? The more you resist, the more motivation for me to show how clueless you are. Don’t let your dented ego get in the way. Accept your defeat and move on. It would save you from this misery and humiliation.

By the way, is Torres better than Rooney?

You are no longer making sense.

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Illimitable:


I lost an argument when your postulated theory once again defeated you?

Your initial stance was that Robben didn’t play many minutes because Jose didn’t trust him since he’s a young player.

Until it was revealed to you that Robben didn’t play many minutes because of injuries. When he played, he destroyed everything before him and he was included in the PFA team of the season.

How did a fringe player(your assertion) get into a PFA team if Jose didn’t like young players? Every time you postulate a fake theory, it gets destroyed easily.

We are still waiting for your answer if Torres is better than Rooney. It’s been 5 months since I asked you the question and your medulla oblongata has refused to come up with an answer.

Elampiro: Chopping Ls since 1964.

You and who discussed this? Where was it discussed? In this world or in your dream?

Illimitable:


For what reason?

Is Pogba a starter for United or not? All of a sudden, your theory has bottomed out. Any time you postulate a theory, it always came back to bite you in the asš.

Remember the day you said Rooney finished top 5 ballon d’Or so it means he’s better than XYZ player? I then asked you if you thought Torres(Top 3) was better than Rooney? You disappeared and never came back.

Robben(for instance) was a starter for Chelsea but injuries didn’t let him play as many minutes as Jose would have wanted in 04/05. He was their top performer that season. His 1200 PL minutes that season still got him into the PFA team of the season in 04/05.

Once again, your postulated theory has defeated you.

I know you have lost an argument when you write an epistle or when you shift goalpost. Both are present in your above post. Bye bye

Illimitable:


Pogba had fewer minutes(1200 mins) in 19/20 season. So that means Pogba wasn’t a starter for United?

Apples and oranges

That season, Pogba was not a regular starter for United for whatever reason. But generally, he has been.

Illimitable:


Once again, the facts have defeated you.

1,600 minutes of playing time is a regular? And these are even you best two from the list.

You no know ball?

SmartPolician:
I didn't bother to read the article because I thought it was unnecessary. You cannot compare a prisoner whose freedom is restricted to a yard to a graduate which state government and federal government are paying. In fact, they can even keep a side hustle to augment their earnings. This comparison is baseless, to say the least.

At last, someone with sensible post on the topic.

Illimitable:


Checkmate!!!

Only John Terry and Peter Czech were starters.

Illimitable:


His 04/05 Chelsea team were the youngest average PL winners and they broke points record in 2005.

So tell us another lie.

Show us the age of the starting XI players

Like playing Zanetti, Lucio Maicon, etc

raumdeuter:


Zidane Figo Beckham are all 442 players unlike Sterling who played 433 and whose output is boosted by playing under Pep who creates a bucket load of chances

Sterling is no better than Rashford

Hahahaha see excuse. Zidane was a number 10 which made him more directly at goal scoring function than Sterling. And Ribery played a more advanced central role than Sterling where he should have scored far more.

So based on your logic, Sterling is greater than Ribery

Illimitable:


Apparently, if the rules permitted, Greenwood would have had his debut under Mourinho which goes against your old and tired narrative that Jose doesn’t like young players.

Once again, the facts reeled out by Nicky Butt here do not care about your feelings or the myths perpetrated out there by idiotic journalists that Jose Mourinho hates young players.

On November 5th, you responded again to an argument we concluded on October 18th.

Na wao. I have forgotten about all that, but you still remember. Mehn, someone must be paying to to post here as an occupation

raumdeuter

If goals are used to determine attacking players, then sterling is greater than the following players:

Zidane
Ribery
Beckham
Figo

raumdeuter:


Attackers like Sterling and Hazard are measured by goals and assists

Iniesta was a Central midfielder

Zidane was also an attacker (attacking midfielder) like Lampard and Bruno Fernadez. Goals is not all about football

raumdeuter:


Attackers like Sterling and Hazard are measured by goals and assists

Iniesta was a Central midfielder

Iniester also functioned as an attacking midfielder.

Even Zidane who was an attacking midfielder did not have many goals. Sterling is not a striker but a winger/attacking midfielder.

This thread has reduced football to goals and Assist. If that were to be how football is rated, Imiesta, Hazard (at Chelsea), would not be great footballers

raumdeuter:


That Liverpool performacen you are talking about was 9 goals while Martial had 11 goals in his debut season at Man Utd
Sterling 9 goal 7 assists in Liverpool while Martial has done 17 goals 7 assists in Man Utd. Rashford 11 goals 11 assists

So tell how can Martial and Rashford never make 9 goals and 7 assists till they retire when they have already done that

Salah would never reach anything if he was playing under Mourinho just like many players like KdB and co. Willian would be preferred to them. We have seen Salah under Mourinh nd he was actually worse than Martial and Rashford under Mourinho

How many goals did Iniesta score? Sterling is like Iniesta.

raumdeuter:


Tell us how Salah fared under Mourinho na

Let Sterling play under Mourinho so we can see something. You think under Pep that he would get 7 tap in and miss 5 still score 2.

Rashford has scored double digit league goals every season except under Mourinho

Sterling and Suarez almost won Liverpool the EPL. The way Sterling was destroying opposition fullbacks in the wing in Liverpool, Rashford and Martial might never get there before they retire.

As for Salah, he is one of those players who could not hit their potential at early age (unlike such players like Rooney). Even Kane struggled in his formation years. Vardy is another example. Salah slow development had nothing to do with Mourinho.