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Kagawa10, this table shows you chances and clear cut chances as of December 2012, for 2012/2013 season. It is also drilled down to individual players.

Kagawa10,

www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/10630962/zlatan-ibrahimovic8217s-misses-are-adding-up-for-manchester-united

Read the above skysports article. May be you think I manufacture these figures.


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Kagawa10:
You're not making sense with this post of yours.

I asked again did opta shows the shots connected mid-air, those difficult aerial duels etc. The likes of Aguero doesn't bother with that shite. If you put Aguero in our team, every performance would be as cagey as the one Rashford played against Arsenal. Wetin concern them with those shite crosses and lofted balls?



As a matter of fact, only Rashford is the best at making quality crosses in the team like those of his in the Watford match.

You sound like an illiterate.

OPTA separates all shots.

Opta uses its technology to determine thousands of items on the field of play. It sees far more than the naked eyes.

Opta knows how many shots taken by every player. It is records if it is a header or foot, etc. It records if the striker was unmarked, how much distance the next defender is to the striker taking the shot. What side the nearest defender was marking from, whether behind, levelled, in front. If there was a contact, how heavy was the contact from the market? etc. By how much distance the shot missed the goal, the angle on the box it was taken.

When you argue or doubt whether a defender had a contact with striker for a penalty, Opta knows it instantly without a replay. Opta knows instantly if original shot was on target before it was deflected for an own goal. It is aware how much distance a striker travel with the ball before a shot was taken.


So to answer your question, Opta records clear cut chances (that is tap in missed, close rage clear header missed, one vs one missed). When Rashford missed against West Ham, Opta recorded it.

Hope you don't mistake whoscored for Opta? Whoscored uses some live Opta data to update it's own live figures for rating. If you want to see Opta data, you subscribe them, but they might give you restricted access based on your lean pocket and individual status. The FA, skynews, Dailymail, Sun, the football clubs who can afford it are given full access. This is why you get skynews, BBC, Sun, etc publish these clear cut chances from time to time.


YOU NO KNOW BALL

chrisley024:
We need experienced CB especially from Epl.

Bailly, Jones, Smalling. And we still need a CB? These guys will be the best in the world in two to three years from now. Our midfield is horrible at marking and recovering the ball.

Kagawa10:

OPta clear-cut chances stats is about shots missed inside the box. They don't determine which one was in the mid air, on ground or headed! As long it's inside the box and it was missed, then It's clear cut.

Aguero has missed more easy clear cut chances than Ibra for example, the Everton, Southampton games et al but because he hardly tried too hard to connect mid air nor contest aerial duels unlike Ibra, no one is holding him to ransom unlike Ibra whom you could just look at the amount of shots he took inside the box and claim he's missed plenty of chances.

Unbelievable!!! You just really typed that?

Opta has stats of total shots taken by every player outside of the box. Then inside of the box and inside the 6 yard box.

For instance Ibrahimovic shots in the EPL
Outside the box 20
Inside the box 34
Inside the six yard area area 9


I have given you the definition of clear cut chance from opta website. You still managed to bring your mamaput analysis into it. Na wa for you.

Kagawa10:
I've bee watching through the clips you posted and I couldn't help but laugh. Even the goal he scored against City wasn't easy. He had to volley most of the chances while the ball is still in mid air, he almost even got injured because he was trying too hard to connect mid air with one of these terrible chances. Because as soon as these chance drops to the ground, they are promptly cleared off.

The only clear cut in the city game was the one blocked by Stones. You could say he shoulda hit harder but I guess he didn't think anyone would have blocked it considering Bravo already left his post. Hence, the soft hit which was tricking inside the net until Stones' block.

My guy, forget all these your mamaput analysis. There are standards for measuring clear cut chances as defined by OPTA and EPL official index. They are published by opta, EAsports, and redistributed by skysports, etc.

See below the skysports clear cut chances missed as at Oct 30th after the Chelsea and Burnley games.

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Kagawa10:
Maybe you've been so deluded by our little creativity that you think all those Ariel crosses and outside the box shots are clear-cut chances!

You wey no know ball na why tell me about clear cut chance?

The very good EPL teams create about 1.7 clear cut chances per game. The middle table teams create 1 per game while the bottom team create less than 1 per game. So a striker of the top team might just get one clear cut chance in a game. According to your logic, if your striker is allowed to miss one clear cut chance per game, it means he sqaundered all the clear cut chances that come his way in the season.

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OPTA: Clear Cut Chances

Clear Cut chances are one of those underrated stats in football. The definition of a clear cut chance is ‘ A situation where a player should reasonably be expected to score usually in a one-on-one scenario or from very close range. ’ (EPL Index) So in other words, a clear cut chance is a chance where the attacker is odds on to score, it can range from a one on one finish, a unmarked headed chance or a tap in chance.

Look at the clear cut chances missed as at Oct 20th. Ibrahimovic leads. I can't even find Costa and Aguero on the list.

This doesn’t even include his miss vs Chelsea that should have put the game at 1-1. His horrible miss vs Burnley.

Kagawa10:
All I've seen is just 1 clear-cut chance for Ibra per game and a striker is allowed to miss 1 per game. Maybe you need to watch the likes of Lewy and Auba to see they missed at least 1 per game.

However, the point is we hardly create multiple clear-cut chances for Ibra. As a matter of fact, Ibra made those chances possible. I trust Rashford na, he won't even bother about those nonsense crosses or lofted ball in the first place.

You don't write like one who knew what the clear cut chance is. Strikers hardly get one pay game.

20 seconds clip


Ibrahimovic horrible miss vs Burnley. It ended 0-0



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAPmNu0QeW8&itct=CBQQpDAYAiITCJGAz4-rztACFUYafwodQKgEflIkSWJyYWhpbW92aWMgaG9ycmlibGUgbWlzcyB2cyBCdXJubGV5&gl=NG&hl=en&client=mv-google

Watch the first half vs Watford

He should have hit target but he missed. Then on another occasion his pace let him down. Watch the first 3 mins


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RIaM5_6jwg&itct=CBYQpDAYACITCPP1yt-oztACFQoYfwodPLMHyVIWSWJyYWhpbW92aWMgdnMgV2F0Zm9yZA%3D%3D&gl=NG&client=mv-google&hl=en

Kagawa10

Watch the clip between 2.40 to 2.59 you will see miss two great chances in quick succession. The second was particularly painful because the keeper was displaced.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE7e47EhzZA&itct=CBYQpDAYACITCP7HjYWmztACFawLfwod3CAMElIjSWJyYWhpbW92aWMgbWlzcyB2cyBNYW5jaGVzdGVyIENpdHk%3D&client=mv-google&gl=NG&hl=en

Kagawa10:
But in the clip above, it shows that those alleged easy chances were just in our fan's head and imagination.

Ibrahimovic miss vs Liverpool. Check it out only 13 sec clip. I will look for others.

Opta doesn't lie on big chances/clear cut chances. It has to be one vs one, a clear header when unmarked and one should have reasonable score from the situation, a tap in, etc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQssGLpBieE&itct=CBIQpDAYBCITCOHgsuGkztACFRKSVQodApQNplIdSWJyYWhpbW92aWMgbWlzcyB2cyBMaXZlcnBvb2w%3D&gl=NG&hl=en&client=mv-google

Kagawa10:
Check out Ibra chances in the Westham game here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_DchykZPs4&itct=CAsQpDAYBCITCMDb4ff2zdACFY-zVQodqSACaTIHcmVsYXRlZEiTuNLRncCc8tcB&client=mv-google&hl=en&gl=US

Then tell me if any of those were easy? As a matter of fact, Ibra has been the only one that consistently creates clear cut chances in the team. Forget about Pogba lofted ball, Rooney's crosses or Mata puffing and huffing, Ibra has been more essential to our style of play than anyone else and without him, no one else can make the other players crosses look as good.

Ibrahimovic has had the easiest chances in the EPL so far. I lost count of one vs one he missed and the clear cut chances missed. Against City he missed. I think against Liverpool he missed two one vs one because lack of speed let him down. Just like the chance Rashford missed against West Ham, but Ibrahimovic didn't even have the speed to finish his race towards the goalkeeper.

If he were clinical, we would have at least been 3rd. We need a younger striker

Funlordjnr:
My guy he was comparing JONES to JOHN TERRY! He took no dig whatsoever at guardiola!



https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/26/phil-jones-jose-mourinho-manchester-united

It was not written by me.

Jones is one of the shortest centre backs out there. He is 5.11ft, if only he was even 6.1

Although Jones is still a very good jumper, we will need Smalling to play with him instead of Rojo. Rojo is trying but despite his height he offers nothing aerially.

The advantage Smalling has is his ability to play on both sides of the Central defence over Bailly and Jones. Bailly has not been used on the LCB and it's glaring he will be uncomfortable there. Jones has played there but he is not as comfortable as Smalling on the left side centre defence.

But it is left for the coach to know his best combination.

Jose Mourinho has praised Phil Jones and taken a sly dig at rival Pep Guardiola.

Mourinho is amazed by Jones' comeback from injury after fearing for his career.

While Guardiola indulges John Stones with the ball at his feet at neighbours Manchester City, Mourinho reckons Jones is all about out-and-out defending.

Jones’ form in the last three games has seen him turn back the clock to the time when he was branded the next John Terry while at Blackburn.

Mourinho said: “It is difficult to compare players. Jones is faster than John; John is better in the air than Jones.

“They are different players but what I like is defenders that enjoy defending. Jones likes to defend, as a defender. Sometimes defenders now think the most important quality is to build from the back.

“That is not the most important quality. The most important quality is to defend. Then, if you can add quality in the build-up, you become a very good player.

“But to defend is, for me, the most important quality in a central defender. I am getting that from Jones at a moment when he was not really ready to play.

“He stepped in front because the team didn’t have players to play at Swansea and gave one step forward. I went for it. He has a good personality. Now, with one or two weeks of football and training, he looks very sharp and the team is safe.”

[Source: The Sun] #MUFC #Jones #Mourinho

bigtt76:
If the federal Government prompted the increase because they felt oit was priced too cheap in the country compared to other West African countries, they should as well increase fuel price and salaries because Nigeria have the lowest compared to other countries. Nansense

I am sure we also pay the highest on DSTV subscription

nyabinghi:
if u be aubameyang u go like dey play europa when teams wey go guarantee you ucl dey. Aubameyang no go come this united team, liverpool futs him better. Make e go play with coutinho, mane, lallana, sturridge and firmino.

You will soon change your mind.

SIRcumalot:
lingard and rashford no be Runner?

Football is not about galloping everywhere like an antelope

Cc ChristineC

Anderson has made a comparison between himself and Steven Gerrard on the day the former Liverpool captain announced his retirement.

Speaking after Gerrard announced his retirement, Anderson pointed out that he won far more league titles in his career than Gerrard.

"I won everything at the club. I won four Premier Leagues.

"A player like Gerrard, who like, played for Liverpool, a player who has history in world football, didn't win one. And I achieve four playing for the club.

"I was world champion at the club. I was Champions League champion. I played three Champions League finals for the club.

"When I arrived at the club, all the players embraced me. They always joked with everyone. The guys there are very nice.

"To this day, I'm passionate for that club. It's the number one in the world for me."

[Source: Daily Mail] #MUFC #Anderson

ChristineC:
it is difficult to tell the fans from haters here.

Ajigbijigbijigbi

ChristineC:
football is not just about galloping everywhere like an antelope and this is why players like Micheal Carrick, Daley Blind or Paul Scholes will be taken for granted till they are not on the field.

Ghanghan

ChristineC:
here every pin matters and is searched for with magnifying lenses like a player makes a pass for a goal and people prefer to stress he didn't mean the pass or a cross deflected in by a player but the luck is stressed to breaking point. why should such details concern anybody

ChristineC:
are you not entertained?

Yes, I am.

Lovely! Lovely!! lovely!!!

Vanquay:
I play RB and have seen too many training sessions to know a lucky pass when I see one...Even the BT commentator said that pass wasn't meant for Lingard.

Playing Right Back doesn't give you a superior knowledge of assessing such a situation which took place in the final third.

But it is possible the pass was not meant for Lingard.

afrodoc2:
Since 2012 when AV wore the no 7 jersey he has not been the same attacking player. He has practically no left leg, depends too much on pace and not enough on guile, and as a result is quite predictable. PLUS he does not score enough goals and this season we need prolific attacking players cos Zlatan won't score enough on his own.
And when we have Mikki, Mata, Rashford and Lingard queuing up for places it would be criminal to play him in that RW position when we have possibly better options there and have no dependable RB.

It is true. With Mkhitaryan coming into the picture, the forward positions are now fully occupied. However if you talk about real width and wing play, these other guys cannot provide as much as Valencia. There are matches you just need that man who carries the ball down the field with great pace and balance to provide Assists and second Assists for team mates.

adebayo201:
Jones played three matches and in those matches, we didnot lose... In elampiro's voice, Jones is >>>>****

Na true o. And fewer attempts at our goalkeeper. E sabi carry e defence line go high for field.

afrodoc2:
Valencia is average playing as a RW, that has been confirmed already. Let him continue at RB where he is very,very good.
There is a difference between playing as an overlapping RB running into space with the opposing winger as your primary marker and playing as a RW with the defence set up against you and the opposition full back man marking you.

But he did it in in three seasons in the past. The most important thing is being in form. Even great wingers like Ribery sometimes look clueless in some matches. Recently we see Mahrez struggle. We see Martial, Rashford, etc struggle in the wing.

Looking at it from another angle, he would be less fearless to adventure forward. Playing as a right back and overlapping comes with risks which was why he didn't want to adventure today with many men trying to block him.

Vanquay:
I can swear on my Ex's Nipplé Valencia didn't mean that pass.

How do you know that? He probably meant it, I just reviewed the goal on youtube. Lingard was the only one who could run into that space.

chrisley024:
Valencia sha. Stay on his right and he's rendered clueless.

@ elampiro, you still think he should be pushed forward

He tried na. There were many bodies in front of him today. He still delivered many decent crosses.

chidexxy007:
Yea it will.. He on a very long way from achieving full match fitness but 3games in a row now for him is really commendable as i can't remember when last he achieved that.. West Ham would provide a sterner test for him though..

Let’s hope first he is not injured already.