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lekkie073:
I don't get how somebody will continually support a player who is only remembered to play well once in 15 games.
Some things have no laid down value especially when it comes to services.

United as a whole had been playing good once in every 19 games. So don't isolate one individual.

The last I checked Rooney had good games for United in all his matches in April and May. He was our most productive player early in the year before his injury.

slimghost:
I swear by Amadioha, you are a waste! Dafuq? I won't reply you again after this. Yes Rooney is a Modric and Iniesta moulded in one. Thank you.

You and all your generation a complete waste.

Dadehmola:
That's why I used the phrase "necessarily better" in my previous post...

Yeah, #10s & "hole men" have been synonymous with intelligent passing, craft & guile but football has evolved beyond that stereotyped mentality

At liverpool, Steven Gerrard thrived as a 2nd striker (nine & a half) not because he was the most intelligent passer of the ball.

Even our very own J.S park wàs deployed as in AM in certain matches - did it necessarily mean he was more intelligent/better passer than Scholes who sat in Midfield?

Thomas Muller is another player that has been deployed in a withdrawn C.F. role on numerous ocassions with Kroos Sitting behind - does it mean Muller is the more intelligent passer?

Nobody would even compare the passing abilities of Pogba to that of pirlo's (despite the fact that the Frenchman thrived in a more advanced position).

Elampiro, i'd say that Mourihno's decision to push Rooney upfront & nearer to goal is probably because the portuģese feels fat boy's goalscoring abilities would benefit the team better....not because of any yeye passing ability (that's clearly not Rooney's forte in this context )

You have brought some isolated cases. Generally the number 10 is a more intelligent and swift passer than the number 8.

Again, who was a better passer of the ball in Liverpool than Gerald? If you like at my list you would see Scholes, Schweinsteiger, Alonso, Xavi, Pirlo, etc all number 10 who became more famous as great passers when they dropped to the deep as 8 or 4.

Ones passing ability is less noticeable while in advanced position. If you check JS Park Assists and his involvement in counter attacks, you would see an intelligent defence splitting passer.

If anyone thinks Rooney cannot pass, he should ask how come his passes were the most adventurous in United last games when he returned from injury. Despite this, he had the highest pass accuracy in some of the games. If Rooney is classified as one who cannot pass, then it means Carrick has never been a good passer because Rooney outclassed him in April and May.

JOSE MOURINHO ON HIS IDEAL NUMBER 10



Jose Mourinho believes Eden Hazard does not have the ability to become Chelsea’s regular No.10 and says Deco and Wesley Sneijder are the two “perfect” players who can fulfil that role.

The Belgium international has asked the Chelsea manager about changing from the left flank to a central role, and although he was tested in that position against Stoke City and Norwich, last season’s PFA player of the Year was used on the left in Tuesday’s 4-0 victory over Maccabi Tel Aviv.

When he was asked if Hazard could thrive in that role in the long term, Mourinho replied: “As a number 10? I don't think so.

“We have different concepts of number 10, me and him.

“For me a number 10 does a lot of things, with the ball and without the ball. So for me a number 10 is a very special player in my team.

“With a system of two midfield players and one number 10, I demand a lot from a number 10.

“I like a number 10 to score goals. I like a number 10 to get in the box. I like a number 10 to score goals like Oscar's against Maccabi Tel Aviv.

“A number 10 for me is an eight-and-a-half when the team loses the ball, and the number 10 is a nine-and-a-half when the team has the ball.

“Who is my perfect number 10? Wesley Sneijder and Deco. Because they could defend, get in the box and finish goals? Yes.”
m.goal.com/s/en/news/1862/premier-league/2015/11/28/17821032/jose-mourinho-reveals-his-perfect-no10-but-its-not-eden

Victor Valdes is on the verge of a move to Middlesbrough.

The 34-year-old signed for Manchester United in January 2015 but made just two appearances for the Red Devils before being released last month.

According to BBC Sport, Valdes is due at the Riverside Stadium today to have a medical and discuss personal terms with the newly promoted Premier League outfit.

The veteran stopper spent time on loan with Standard Liege last season, helping them win the Belgian Cup.

[Source: BBCSport] #MUFC #Valdes

Dadehmola:
Oga, if you are insinuating that #10s are neccesarily better/more intelligent passers of the ball than the CMs/DMs that sit behind them (due to the nonsense "pressure zone" thing you have been shouting since)....


Think agaiñ or else....

Consider this:

Maradona is a number 10.

Pele is a number 10 in the traditional sense.

Even the best midfielders of our generation were previously number 10s, most of them had to drop to the less pressure zones as their speed and athleticism left them.

Elxandre:
The difference is Rooney became a superstar as a number 9.
One of or the best in the world at some point.

Those players grew into the midfield at a tender age.
And annoyingly, you listed only midfielders all through your examples.

I ask again, Is Rooney a better, or even close to being as good as those guys up there in terms of visionary passing ability?

I bet Mourinho won't compare himself to Pirlo because he also plays deep and "not under pressure".
He believes so much in Rooney, yet he went to get a similar player in Ibra (34 years old)?


Elampiro, you be fraud.

Mourinho will not promote Pirlo to an AM. He will just allow Pirlo to spread passes in the less pressure zone.

Get common sense.

Elxandre:
They were used as 'destroyers'. Even Pepe once played that role for Mou as shocking as he is on the ball.
And Everyone even knows Luiz is great on the ball.

Na you be Olodo.

Wether used as destroyer or as annihilators, the fact remains that these are not great passers.

Elxandre:
I ask you, Is Rooney a better passer than the likes of schweinteiger, Kroos, Xavi?

There are the guys who couldn't make it in pressured zone and were deployed to less pressured zone early in their career where they mastered the art of passing. If Rooney played there consistently for several years, he could be as good.

Elxandre:
Seriously I used to rate your analysis high, not knowing you were an Olodo.

To you 'great passing' is floating the ball to Valencia all day.

Rooney's passing is shockingly limited, not visionary and is only better than Schneiderlin's.
Everyone can see that, except "football Didinrins" and "fan girls" like you who only follow matches on Whoscored and the likes.

Only blind man like you couldn't see that Rooney was our best passer, and the one who made the most creative passes in the last two months of our EPL campaign. Rooney was making through passes like pure water.

Which midfielder dominated in Wembley on both occasions? Someone who cannot pass will not have 10/11 accurate long balls. Only Scholes used to do that.

This is our match against Everton in FA cup

Elxandre:
Number 8 is more difficult to pass if you don't know what you are doing.
Are you saying Rooney that offers only the most basic passes in midfield is a world class midfielder?
Rooney is the most limited 8 I've seen in a top club in recent times

There was a time when Rooney would drop deep and still terrorize the opposition all day, but that time is long gone.

If you insist Rooney is top class in midfield, we would have to compare Rooney to other world class deep midfielders and settle this yeye argument of yours.

Elampiro, you be charlatan.
You no know ball

If you said number 8 is more difficult to make passes, then you should not be analysing football.

Number 10 requires intelligent passes and quick play. This is why most number 10 drop deeper as they get older. Scholes, Pirlo all started their careers as number 10. In fact most great midfielders started their careers as offensive/attacking midfielders. Some even ended in the DM like Gerald. Gaal almost made Schweinsteiger a DM.

Even the greatest midfielders sometimes have off days. Even our own Paul Scholes. But you guys were quick to rubbish Rooney after he excelled in midfield, a new position, for two months.

You no know ball.

Elxandre:
I doubt you even wrote JSS3 exam.

Mourinho said he doesn't do multifunctional players, so what do you think that means?
He never improvises on player positioning.

Ancelotti experimented with Di Maria through the middle, and the guy was a hit.
But mourinho would instead go buy players for specific positions.

Everyone knows this, and that is the reason he won't play Rooney in midfield, coupled with the fact that He can't pass better than Mourinho himself.


Are you saying Messi is a better passer than Xavi just because he plays a more advanced role on the pitch?

Elampiro, you are a scammer and a charlatan.
You no know ball!

If I didn't write JSS3, it is better than your situation of not passing common entrance (Primary school exit exam).

Your explanation didn't make sense. I ask between number 8 and number 10 which is easier to pass? You are looking like a lost sheep.

Mourinho doesn't mind playing Zouma or Jones or David Louis in midfield where passing is done with less pressure. But a player like Rooney should be passing in more crowded zone in the number 10 (AM) or number 9 and half (SS).

You lack logic. You be olodo.

GBR1:
According to major Italian news sources, we're gonna bid €120 million for Pogba and we've agreed personal terms with the player.


Woodward is a crazy man. We have this cash and we're gonna spend it

#BREAKING Manchester United have agreement on a contract of £215,000 p/w with Paul Pogba. After the Euros Final agent Mino Raiola will present Juventus with a world record bid of €120m.

[via @DiMarzio @TancrediPalmeri]

Spy360:
Bro if Rooney was 90% of the time, Mou wouldn't have compared himself to him.

You like Rooney, but common lets leave sentiments aside. United deserves better.

Mourinho is saying even he (Mourinho) can pass in the deep, so Rooney, a world class player should go to more advanced position where there is pressure to make passes.

Between number 8 and number 10 which is more difficult to pass?

slimghost:
You have a serious comprehension problem bro. What Mou simple said is that Rooney is not a midfielder but a goal scorer. Now tell me between Strikers and Midfielders, who make pasesses more?

May be you didn't pass common entrance. If you did you would have seen where Mourinho said may be Rooney is not a striker anymore. So it shows Rooney will play mostly as a number 10 where passes are most difficult.

GBR1:
That match was the most important because England went due to it and Rooney played badly in that match.

I said him or Vardy considering the seasons they had deserved to start ahead of Rooney and that happened. How's it my business that he flopped?

I hope you've a great day.

England played three matches. All were important for progression in the tournament.
Even Spain crashed out of world cup easily. So no match is a waka pass.

GBR1 see you at night.

GBR1:
Show me the post Elampiro. why is this so difficult for you to do?

You're telling lies again.

I haven't that time. Anyway what is important is that your Harry Kane failed woefully.

GBR1:
The performance against Wales is not in the frame of our discusion here. England had a knock out match against the ALMIGHTY Iceland and Rooney had a bad game in midfield. That was Englands most important match in the last 2 years but what happened to Rooney in it?

I have noticed your attempts to turn this into Kane vs Rooney for you to gain some leverage on me. It's a woeful one because I don't even rate Kane. In general i don't rate English players. Kane/Vardy simply had better seasons than Rooney and i said they deserved to start ahead of Rooney as CF before the Euros started and it happened, Rooney was moved into midfield. That Kane failed to perform is not my business, so simply shut up about that.

How can you reduce Rooney's Euro 2016 outing to one match when he played started three matches?

Also we must always talk about Kane because you said he should play their matches ahead of anyone. But he flopped.

GBR1:
My claims weren't even remotely close to the lie you told. Using such silly mathematical analogy would not help you or change the fact that you told a lie.

You've made another false claim here. Show me where after the tournament started i said that. Stop telling lies, they won't save you.

Mr Man go back and read your posts. When Kane was obviously poor, you said he is their best striker, and that the person who should have been substituted was Rooney. I think that was against Russia or Wales when Rooney played excellently well. And Kane was never involved.

GBR1:
Elampiro how was Rooney's performance in that England vs Iceland game which was arguably England's biggest game in recent times?

Elampiro before the Euros you said England had lost only 2 matches since Rooney became captain and those 2 matches they lost them because Rooney didn't start in them. So what happened in the Euros? Did Rooney stop being captain? Tell me Elampiro.

Since you want to go back, i'm good at that too.

Why didn't you ask about Rooney's performance against Wales?

The rest of your post is rubbish. What matters is that Rooney, from midfield, was a greater goal threat than Kane.

GBR1:
You're a shameless being. You made a false claim about me and i asked you to prove it but this is what you could come up with?

1+1=2
1+1+0=2

What is the difference? Even when the tournament started and Rooney had an excellent first game while Kane was not seen, you still wanted Kane to get in before Rooney. But Kane never played, the flop of the tournament.

slimghost:
An example of Rooney's 'wonderful sideways passing' Vs Wolfsburg.
and I quote Mourinho again. " You
can tell me his pass is amazing but my pass is
amazing too without pressure,"

Elampiro should be ashamed trying to twist Mourinho's quote.

Mourinho says Rooney is too good to play in a less pressure zone. He needs his pass in the hot zone.

Read this:

WHERE WILL ROONEY PLAY?
“There are many jobs and the one that is more difficult to find is the guy that puts the ball in the net. Players change during the years, their qualities and characteristics. It is normal that a player of his age changes, but something that will never change is the natural appetite to put the ball in the net. Maybe he is not a striker anymore, or a nine, but he will never be a six playing 50 metres from the goal. He will be a nine, a 10, a nine and a half, but not a six or eight."

GBR1:
Show me the post i said Kane would outscore Rooney or shut up. I knew exactly what i said then so don't think you can twist anything to suit your tale. I claimed there was no way Rooney deserved to start as CF ahead of Kane or Vardy but you disagreed and it happened. Kane failing to do well in the Euros doesn't falsify my claim.

Show me where i said Kane would disgrace Rooney!

All na de same. After all your noise, Rooney performed better than Kane.

When I kept saying Kane is always a shadow of Rooney in the national team, you didn't believe. Rooney always did better than him in attack.

GBR1:
Where were those intelligence, class and attacking appetite in the last 2 years that Rooney performances has been abysmal?

You don't need to listen to me or anything like that. If Rooney performs like he has been doing in recent years, he's gonna end up on the bench or get sold eventually because Mourinho has stated he won't use him in midfield. That's good news for me or for most United fans. I hope Mourinho lives up to it.

Rooney was still our top scorer two seasons ago, and was among our top scorers last season.

GBR1:
Elampiro would say anything to defend Rooney. He is that shameless.

You, whatever your name is, whether Girigbiti 1 or GBR1, were you not one of those who said Harry Kane will shame Rooney in Euro 2016?

At the end of the day, Rooney from the midfield had more threatening strike on goal than Kane , and Rooney outscored Kane.

You no know ball sef. I dey waste my time with you.

Lana1:
LVG told Rooney not to shoot. So LVG told Rooney not to shoot wen he went goaless for more than 800 mins between the end of 14/15 & 15/16 season?? Abeg which kind of manager, Sane or Insane tells his striker not to shoot??
Oga o. What wont we hear in the defence of Rooney

It's in the papers. You didn't read it?

GBR1:
I've said more reasonable things than you about Rooney. It's fairly obvious because i'm not stuck in his ass like you who has been defending him since god knows when and you'll continue to defend him till you die.

You can't continue to argue with me and we both know why, not that it matters anyway.

Mourinho said Rooney is too good to play in midfield, he needs his intelligence, class and attacking appetite in the advanced zone.

Who do I listen to? You or Mourinho?

GBR1:
Obviously, I have destroyed those your useless arguments about Rooney and this is your last resort.

Now you've nothing reasonable to say, i have some questions for you; Are you a United fan or a fan of Rooney[b] first[/b]? Why do you find it so difficult to admit your when you're wrong or were wrong in the past?

You have not said anything reasonable about Wayne Rooney. I don't feel like continuing arguing with you because your biased opinion are inconsequential. The opinion that matters is that of the club, the coach and players.

GBR1:
Elampiro, you should be ashamed of yourself. I know you're an old man and that makes it even more shameful considering that.
This is another silly defense of Rooney coming you. You mean the reason Rooney was so terrible in the beginning of the season was because LVG told him not to shoot except from a 2nd touch?

This is a new low for you. Shame.

I don't expect an Ekwe Sample like you to know what is going on in the club.

GBR1:
I see you've started going off a tangent again. SAF once claimed and insisted Phil Jones is gonna be our greatest player ever and we all know that's never gonna happen. SAF playing him in midfield doesn't change anything. Rooney is a sh1tty player especially as a forward, and it's only better he plays in midfield because when he plays there it's less detrimental to the team.The only performance of Rooney i rated high was in the FA cup final. The rest were good or nothing special.

So James Rodriguez or Isco are better passers than Kroos or Modric because they play as 10s? After you'll go around saying to someone "you no sabi ball" when your knowledge of football is average at best. Playing in the midfield goes beyond passing, it's high time you know this so you can understand why Rooney can never be a good midfielder.

Who cares about your biased opinion? If you like say Rooney has never been a footballer. The club respects and honours him as one of the greatest. That's why he is still around.

Who even told you to rate his FA cup final? Your rating is useless to Old Trafford. It is not needed.

GBR1:
What stupid record books are you talking about?

I knew there was know way you could've answered that without making yourself appear foolish. That's what defending Rooney can cause you.

I was talking about your continuous defense of Rooney claiming he's still world class for about 2 years now when it's obvious he's declined. For example in the beginning of the season when Rooney was expected to lead the line as CF, you expected him to do well, didn't you? We all know how that turned out.

You are a ret#rd...

Last season was an exemption. Van Gaal told Rooney not to shoot except from a second touch. It was only after Rooney decided to do it his own way that he began to score, unfortunately, just when he was matching near a goal per match, and one Assist per two games, he got injured.

SailorXY:
The formation I put up is what I feel is about the best or close to the best @ the moment. Of course we are yet to see how Henrikh & Zlatan will adapt to the league but that's assuming players are optimum level.

You can put up your own format bros, no fighting.

Something you should know is that this team will not go anywhere while parading 2016 Wayne Rooney as one of its key players. You either deal with that or continue hoping for "Paul Scholes".

You are arguing with yourself on the formation you made.
If I argued with you in your formation, then you would have been right to assume I wanted Rooney in the team by all means.