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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:10pm On Dec 14, 2015
Last season Benzema won games for Madrid when things were deadlocked. He is not just at scorer anymore. He does some of the things Ozil would have done that opens the defense wide open for his co-attackers. This season, I think it was against Athletic Madrid, he did similar things but Bale and co stalled his effort.

Sometimes I wonder if it's not same Benzema I do watch. He's is technically gifted, has a good build up work, good final pass and an okay dribbling ability. He scores like the rest top strikers even though it looks like he is more of a false 9.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:46am On Dec 14, 2015
Elxandre:
Of course Drogba is a better striker without doubts.

Don't judge by the goals alone.
His movements created spaces and pressure on the defenders in the box which of course helped because Madrid are very often static in attack.
And he was much improved last season and got more involved in the teams play.
He even put in a few crosses.
For example he scored two long range shots last season which he never did at united.

He's better than he was when he first came to United, when he was a total 18 yard box player.
That is the aspect I don't like about his game. That movement is good against weak and small oppositions when the ball comes to the final third freely. But against strong opposition he is one man less from his team. That's short one. But he can be useful as a super sub with a late goal needed and every team mate pushes forward pimping balls into the box.

If you doubt me, go back and check his record against big oppositions apart from Chelsea. May be Terry and co couldn't come with his pace. He really punished Chelsea. But against the other big teams, he was shyte.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
homesteady:
Suarez missed more than 2 months + teething problems in a new league, yet he still scored more goals and assists than Benzema in La Liga & UCL!

Benzema is just an 'ambitionless' human being.
Benzema only had 132 playing minutes more than Suarez. If you removed the one penalty Suarez scored, they would both end in 15 Laliga goals. Suarez also take free kicks. He plays in a stronger team.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:19am On Dec 14, 2015
Benzema plays in a weaker team. He is made to play as an attacking midfielder+striker, he doesn't take free kicks. He never even taken a penalty for Madrid.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:10am On Dec 14, 2015
This season Benzema has a better goals per minutes played than Suarez. Yet people say Benzema is poor?

Luiz Suarez 96.92 mins per goal.

Benzema 87.62 mins per goal.


Nihilist, you gat to see this.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:59am On Dec 14, 2015
Ibime:
Benzema has only scored 20 league goals twice in his career.

34 year old Ibrahimovic is already doubling his yearly average in Ligue1.

Benzema cannot be rated with elite centre-forwards. Too much bluster, not enough product.

Benzema has never taken a penalty for Real Madrid. In my offhand calculation he has never taken a free kick.

Benzema get substituted in almost every game. This season he has 8 goals from 701 minutes. Which averaged 87.62 mins per goal.


European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:53am On Dec 14, 2015
adeyemi2015:
That's the major problem of the philosophy!
Get rid of LVG and things will start falling back in line!
Sack today hire tomorrow is risky. Van Gaal should finish this season first, then we know if he should be allowed his last season. Tight now, only Gaal knows what area to make corrections in this team. A new coach is a gamble.

From here we could see we need a larger squad. One or two experienced defenders. One matured winger. One striker. Hope Gaal thinks same way too.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:46am On Dec 14, 2015
Elxandre:
sad
Where did I mention Benz being in the box or not?
The only thing I said is he never scores one on ones because his movement isn't stellar.
He doesn't wear, defences down with his movement, which Hernandez does.

I think you made me derail the purpose of my argument with your statistics which doesn't always tell the true story.
Everyone knows Benzema is a gifted player, but you insisting he's better than Hernandez just based on his flair is wrong.
An in form Drogba is head and shoulders above Benzema, even though we all know Drogba is not a flair player.

I asked how many goals he scores outside the box, because I was trying to point out the fact that he isn't as special as they paint him.

Please be polite.
You don't have to call my argument senseless!
It's okay not to agree.
You said Chicharito won games for Madrid, and I showed you he only won two games. You said I left out his matches in early April, then I produced all his matches. That settled it, but you diverted. Anyway.....

Drogba has a better ball control than Chicha. Drogba can take a long ball on his chest and bring it down to his foot before sloting in. Drogba has a very strong aerial ability. He doesn't need a free header to scorer from a set piece. Drogba also sometimes drifted to the left and involved in build up when his team is defending.

Chicharito on the other hand isolates himself even when his team is under pressure for a long term. This is why when you start him in a strong match, he might be a short one. Like the team playing with 10 men. Chicha relies on speed and quickness to finish off a chance when his team is pressing.

In a nutshell, Drogba and Chicha are not really the same.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:57pm On Dec 13, 2015
Nihilist:
Benzema overrated? cheesy

It seems like there's always some new bollocks to read everyday on this thread
Dem no know ball.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
Elxandre:
Wait.... are you not even the person that was supporting Rooney? shocked

You no fit read again abi?
How you go fit read when you have clearly lost the Argument.
You are very funny. Your argument is senseless and you lost it before it began.

I have given you facts and evidence and you are writing wrong essays. The truth is that you were no longer making sense. For instance you said Benzema doesn't play in the box, later you were asking how many goals he scores from outside of the box. Ukwu!!!

You also were saying Benzema was not a world class striker which was no where in our debate. So I should have followed you to your aimlessness? It was in order not to embarrass you I left all that diversion.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:46pm On Dec 13, 2015

Elxandre,

Chicharito started against Ludogorets and the game was deadlock until Benzema came to the rescue.

Chicharito was there against Valencia.

Chicharito was on for 90 mins when MK Dons beat Manchester United 4-0

Please rest this case. I know Chicharito very well. I know his ability and limitations. This talk that Madrid won almost all games he started is baseless. Madrid wins almost all their games.





European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:35pm On Dec 13, 2015
Elxandre:
Elampiro at least you agree Madrid won almost all their games with Chicha starting.
Everyone misses easy chances, so we can't blame him for that.
Benz gets replaced in many games because he fizzles out unlike the likes of Suarez, Drogba who drag their teams to the very last minute.

I'm not old school.
There has always been exceptional strikers with different characteristics.
Drogba is a modern striker, but he can't play so much with the ball, but he was deadly nonetheless.
Look at you mentioning R9, Henryhuh
Those guys were aggressive strikers who weren't on the same level with Benz in anyway.

How many times have you seen Benz score from outside the 18 yard box?
How many difficult goals does he score?
People say he is world class, but where are the world class goals? (Just watch Suarez's goals for adequate comparison)

Benzema is a bit overrated!

Only few people truly understand this anyways.
I don't get you, Madrid wins almost all their games.

Madrid won 30 out of their 38 league games.

Madrid won 8 UCL games.



The rest of your typing, I no fit read again.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:04pm On Dec 13, 2015
Elxandre:
Your statistics didn't include games in early April and even march I think. That was even the periods I was talking about.
Benzema was the one who played early April. Chicha played from mid April.

April 4th Real Madrid 9 Granada 1
Benzema started and scored 2 goals.
Chicharito came on 61st minute for Benzema and didn't score.

8th April Valecano 0 Madrid 2
Benzema started and played for 72 mins
Chicha played from 89th minute

11th April Madrid 3 Elba 0
Benzema absent, Chicha started and scored.

18th April Real Madrid 3 Malaga 1
Chicha came on at 5th minute for injure Bale.

However I have attached all Chicha games last season. You can see that he didn't score for a long time. As far as I know, Chicha only influenced two games for Madrid last season.


Elxandre:
I watched almost all Madrid's game last season, and I'm not speaking just by stats alone.
They don't always reveal all the truth.
I doubt you saw all Madrid's games last season as you claim.

Stats don't always reveal the truth but Chicharito is known for goals. He has zero built up play. His goals were not evenly spread. He did well in just two matches. The rest were matches already won.

Elxandre:
Even with what you posted, Madrid won all games he started. This guy stretches opposition defense, thereby creating openings.
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How, when Valencia drew 2-2 with Madrid and ended Madrid's any hope of catching Barca. Chicharito missing open net.

Elxandre:
The Fact is Madrid's attack dies off once benzema fizzles out of the match.
It then becomes almost impossible to break down a defense.
A striker who doesn't even fight for the ball.

It's okay if you don't agree anyways.
Benzema was substituted in almost all the matches. So the talk that he fizzled out is baseless.

Your idea of a striker is old school.

Most modern strikers are also builders. Yes, you will still get a Yekini, an Izaghi but there are more and more strikers contributing in build up play and drifting away. Thierry Henry was always involved and never an Hyena. Big Ronaldo was always coming from the deep. Martial too is a playing striker.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:06pm On Dec 13, 2015
Elxandre:
I doubt you watched Madrid late last season.
Chicharito is not the most skilful striker, but he's very effective!
Madrid were struggling badly before. Chicha got a run of games, and he fetched them points.
You remember the Ath Madrid game UCL game? Benz would never have been there to finish that CR7 pass.

Even if CR7 didn't like Chicha, that's because Chicha was actually playing as a striker, unlike that fake Zidane wannabe grin

If Madrid had a Suarez, instead of a lazy Maggot like Benz, I'm certain that would have won the league last year.

If you read what I wrote in context, I wasn't inferring Benzema being a poor striker, rather he's a lazy one. He loses his influence before 70 minutes most times.
That's the difference between him and Suarez. Suarez is always a pain to defend against and very aggressive, but Benzema stops even chasing balls or making runs after a short while.
How many times have you seen Benz score a through one on one?
Simple! his movement is mostly poor for a top striker.




There have been many strikers in history not known for flair, but very deadly, Inzaghi comes to mind. Even Raul is far more accomplished than totally skilful strikers like Berbatov (We used to call him Baba T back then grin)
Magical Berbatov is arguably not even on Benzema's level on a good day, but less gifted strikers not known for their ball playing ability were better acheivers (Drogba and co)


Talking about Berbatov is making me daydream of those days United had that dream team of European football, when good players like Tevez were on the bench, When our frontline scared European and English football cheesy
Like play like play 19 year old Martial is our best striker now. smiley
So because of two matches, Madrid should have benched Benzema for Chicharito who made the team's attack looked mechanical?

Tell me after the Athletic and Celta Vigo games, what else Chicha did till the end of the season? At some point Benzema was injured, Chicha was not even used again. Madrid preferred to play without a striker instead of Chicharito who distorted the flow of their game.

April 29 Madrid 3 Almania 0
Chicha played 90 mins scorer 0

May 2 Seville 2 Madrid 3
Chicharito played 66 mins scored 0

May 5 Juventus 2 Madrid 1
Chicha came on 66 mins scored 0

May 9 Madrid 2 Valencia 2
Chicharito played 90 mins 0 goal.
Pepe and Isco scored.

May 13th Madrid 1 Juventus 1
Chicha from 67 minutes goals 0

May 17th Español 1 Madrid 4
Chicha came 63rd minute. Scored 0

May 24th Madrid 7 Gatafe 3
Chicha played 90 mins scored 2

Can you now tell me how Chicha fetched Madrid points with a run of games? Look at the 6 games after Athletic and Celta games, he went blank. Not only did he went blank in scoring, he was annoynimous in most of the time. He also missed scoring an almost empty net at least twice. I think against Valencia.

Lastly, Madrid struggled because of long term injury to Pepe which distorted the Centre defence pairing with Ramos. Verane inexperience exposed Madrid.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:19pm On Dec 13, 2015
ollah1:
When I said ruud van, I meant a box 18 player. He isn't hustler. Stays there and puts the ball in the back of the net.
He was good at it in the first season he came, subsequently he struggled. He's a great super sub. When late goals were needed he is thrown into the box as every players pushes forward. With plenty pressure inside the opposition box........
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:15pm On Dec 13, 2015

Elxandre, lest I forget, those matches Hernadez scored early in the season were those ones Madrid won heavily. Like his two goals in their 8-2 win. His impact want not felt in more than two games which came late in the season. And he soon disappeared in subsequent games.


European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:07pm On Dec 13, 2015
ollah1:
Hernandez is the Van Nistelrooy, people seem not to just know. The walkaholic natue of Welbeck made him to be favoured. At real. he simply can't beat benz.

But he is at leverkusen and he got his mojo back. LVG Iis simply a modern day dunce
Hernadez is Nilstelrooy? That's must be a joke.

Hernadez was mostly annoynimous in matches he started for Manchester United, except against Chelsea. But as super sub, he did 100%
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:05pm On Dec 13, 2015
Elxandre:
To be fair, we wouldn't have lost the game with the full squad.
Why isn't Young playing for God's sake. Dude is miles better than Depay, and it's a massive insult to not give him a chance.
He was one of the reasons we made top four last year.

I'm happy Chicharito has finally showed these idiotic teams (Madrid & United) his quality.
I prefer him to Benzema because of his aggression, it's not everyday you see a player who fights and makes runs till the very last minute.
Madrid may have won the league if they have him a chance earlier instead of the hilariously lazy Benzema.


Making Top four seems to be like a Donkey passing through the eye of a needle now.
Scary sad

I can't believe I am reading this. Benzema was Madrid's second best player last season. In matches Ronaldo wasn't in his element, Benzema rose to the occasion both general play and goals.

Chicharito was given plenty chance on his arrival to Madrid. I think his first game against Athletic Madrid, Benzema was pulled out at 63 minutes for Hernadez. From that moment Madrid attacking play went to the grave. Score was at 1-1 when Chicha came on, but as the pressure became less, Athletic came out and got the winner at Benabau. Chicharito was handed many subs and some starts but he was always anonymous.

In the UCL game against Ludogorets, Benzema was rested while Chicha started. In that game Hernadez played for 62 minutes. Completed just 8 passes out of 11 he attempted.

In the same game against Ludogorets, Benzema came on at 66 minutes and completed 10 passes out of 12, then scored the winning goal.

Before long, report emerged that Ronaldo preferred Benzema to Chicharito by a thousand miles. A few weeks after that, Ronaldo told journalists that Benzema was the best striker in the world.


So all these things depends on system and players who are in your team. Remember too Chicha is an inbox player, he would most likely be obstructing Ronaldo's movement. Benzema often drifts away from the point man's zone to involve in build up play.

Lastly, it's easy to be carried away by temporal success. You look at a player's general ability not current scoring steak like we have Harry Kane currently. Let Kane or Vardy score 40, they are below Arguero even if he scores 20.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:27am On Dec 13, 2015
Hernadez case might be that he find a system that favored him or it's just working for him this season like his first season with us in 2010/2011 or he has now come of age after adding experience at 2 top clubs with all the pressure.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:18am On Dec 13, 2015
coded01:
This is what many Man U fans don't want us to know... grin

I have always backed Hernandez up even b4 he was sold especially when he was repeatedly left on the bench for Welbeck... angry
Hernadez and Welbeck had their time under Moyes when both Van Persie and Rooney were injured. Welbeck was head and shoulder above Hernandez. For the fact that he is getting it with Leverkusen doesn't mean he would have gotten it okay elsewhere. Remember Madrid last season.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:10am On Dec 13, 2015
SailorXY:
See elampiro writing Rooney everywhere to save face. There are 9 senior players missing oga, wetin Rooney wan add with his presence?
With the full squad, Rooney is still -1.

The whole trust of goal scoring from the beginning was on Rooney's shoulders when RvP, Falcao & Hernandez left. Wilson was the only other CF here. With the full compliment of the team, manager, fans & media behind him, what did he do even with one-on-ones?

As a striker he's useless, we had to involve in late activities to get Martial in when it became clear we would compete with Chelshit if nothing was done.

His captain status block the likes of Herrera & Mata from playing their best position which would have benefitted the club, yet Rooney will only ping balls to Valencia on the right wing all day, killing attacks & never substituted!

Because he must play, the useless LvG philosophy moved the red hot Martial to the left wing & we started dropping easy points like hot potatoes! The draws started piling & soon after the injuries.

Rooney ko Rooney ni. His absence won't be noticed on the pitch & that's that.
How did you expect him to score when the chances don't come?

Contrary to your statement, many players were already gone and we weren't half this bad with Rooney and Young.

Playing passes to only Valencia. That's a lie. He does it often but he also passes to the top 9 and the left. However, Schweinsteiger, Mata, Carrick pass to Valencia most because of the fact that he retains the ball most and bursts forward
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:26pm On Dec 12, 2015
nyabinghi:
And it came to pass that man u lost to bournemouth. Rooney messed up in this game, same as jones and valencia. Mata's performance is at par with messi, he should be the ballon d'or. Told united faithfuls not to have erections when the signings were being made. This man is on a mission to bankrupt united. So sad to see lvg ruin united.

Most people don't understand football. Some others just join the general direction of this thread criticizing players unnecessarily and promoting the wrong players. Valencia is one of our best players. He played the most matches last season with great consistency. At the end of the season some wanted him sold. He was one of the best right back in the league last season.

Valencia makes Mata to play well. He carries the ball to him and gives him a very good paying option. It's painful, the other day, Valencia gave a MOTM against CSKA, he pocketed Ahmed Musa, and he went forward with rampaging runs down the right, after the match United fans here went several pages criticizing his runs and comparing him to players who played right wing for Bayern Munich. This was Val who gave a perfect Tele Assist.

The other thing is that it's clear now Rooney is not the problem of the team. He's been out for three games and we picked just one point. Those also advocating for young players can see it doesn't work that way. Most times young player come in to shine in one or two matches, when given a run of games they get exposed. Carrick and Memphis had up to average game today. Lingard was never in the game.

The English Media always putting pressure and blaming Rooney, let me see who they will blame now. We should have been seeing stats now. Rooney 0 shot on target, 0 Assist, 0 goal, 0 key pass. This was exactly same stat for Martial today. Team rotation helps to take the pressure off some players.

We lost Di Maria. The truth is if Rooney leaves, no big player will come to United again until we build a good team from the boys, which will take years.


European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:11pm On Dec 12, 2015
That's by far the worst performance from Manchester United since I joined this club since 1990s.

If second half had been allowed to go on for 5 more hours, United stood no chance of scoring.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:59pm On Dec 12, 2015




























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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:01pm On Dec 12, 2015
It could have been 3-1.

We no defence at all. They don't understand the offside trap.

Why are we not using Young while Memphis is unable to move 5 yards?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:56pm On Dec 12, 2015
So Perreira is preferred over Young?

Memphis, one of our two good players has been limping since about 50th minute.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:42pm On Dec 12, 2015
Memphis is injured. He's limping.

We have no defence
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:32pm On Dec 12, 2015
elrony:
At least this match ain't dat boring. ... burustus-jackson is playing well so far.... my problem na with Varela, otu - Fellaini, useless mata and convulsion Mcnair.

just a Lil tweak and 3 points is ours.... young for mata pls... pereira to the middle!
Not boring, but more like a championship match.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:29pm On Dec 12, 2015
Bournemouth using speed against us. Blind and McNair are really struggling to cope with their speed. Varela won't make Okomu oil bench.

Carrick and Memphis are our good players so far.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:28pm On Dec 12, 2015
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:21pm On Dec 12, 2015

Corner kick beat DDG and went in straight.

Anthony Martial missed one vs one after gifted so much space.

It all started from Varela starting nervously, he went to contest unnecessarily for an aerial ball high the pitch but missed when he was expected to head away. McNair covering behind Varela was weak, so we came under pressure. Varela returned to make a strong challenge and the ref awarded undeserved freekick. Freekick resulted to a corner. The corner kick went in straight. Within two minutes we were down.

Fellaini struggled to get us back. Before then Martial missed while Bournemouth also missed one vs one as DDG came to the rescue.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:03pm On Dec 12, 2015
adeyemi2015:
Lineup
Good to see Jones coming back. Hopefully Herrera should be back to training next week.

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