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coogar:
arrange which following player? what kinda idiotic question is this? where are the players you want me to arrange?

Di Maria
Young
Mata.


I mentioned them since.
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You are just coming now. I wan sleep o. See you tomorrow. You should know on the other topic, power in 'pace and power' means energy, effort. Not about muscle or bulkiness. I remember I used to mention about pace and power of Edgar David.

Good night.

Michael Carrick is facing a battle to be fit Manchester United’s trip to Everton on Sunday, but fellow absentees Daley Blind, Phil Jones and Marcos Rojo are all expected to return in time for the trip to Goodison Park.
Although Carrick avoided serious injury it is understood that he has only an outside chance of playing against Everton on Sunday.
Rojo, Blind and Jones are expected to return to training this week to put themselves in contention for the game against Roberto Martínez’s team.
The return of either Jones or Blind would enable Van Gaal to deploy one or both in midfield and free Wayne Rooney to resume his centre-forward role.
Robin van Persie has returned from two months out and played 62 mins for the U21s tonight.
[Source: Telegraph]

coogar:
you are the one being misled - FIFA didn't ask you to add a + b + c to determine who is more powerful.

QUESTION? Arrange the following player according to best, better and good based on this season. Who has performed most?

Is this hard to answer? Coogar wan pis for pant.

coogar:
i said strength & stamina are the 2 most important factors when determining power. other attributes on that list would carry less weights when the whole algorithm is computed.

Good you I have pushed you to accepting that other attributes are of physical. We are getting somewhere.

coogar:
according to whose stats? yours or FIFA?
the stats you brought up did not hold any relevance. so where did you learn robben has the most power in football. tevez is more powerful than robben & i can list over 1000 players in the world with more power than robben.

If you knew football, you would know Robben is the most powerful from his movement ability. He has no iota of laziness in his movements. The stats are brought are not my original stat. My original stats says Robben has about the highest sprint speed ever recorded in football. At that speed considering the miles he did it, he is the most powerful footballer.

When Robben beat Ramos he ran at 37km/hr. If he were to do that over 100 meter, he would make 10.28 secs- some professional sprinter have recorded worse time. Robben ran on the field with his boot. You can't do that without having so much power (energy).

coogar:
they say the same about rooney, ronaldo, sanchez & tevez. it is different altogether from the lies you are trying to feed us. robben has pace & power is different from robben is the most powerful player in the world.
even raumdeuter would slap you for such claims.

Why is it not being said that Ozil, Pirlo, Zidane, Carrick have pace and power? You wont even hear such about Sturridge, Dzeko, Giroud, Carzola, Kaka, Deco, Berbatov, etc. But for Robben it's almost every article. Robben has the most power in football. CR7 and, Messi who took growth drugs for years are at about same region of power.

why raumdeuter= you are stylishly inviting him to come help you out here. kpele

coogar:
i put all this into consideration and robben comes short to messi, ronaldo & tevez. di maria got ahead of rooney & azpilicueta was ahead of pawaful jones. as you can see, your explanation makes no sense.

You keep supporting my argument that power is not about physical built or bulkiness or muscle. Azpilicueta looks like someone who gathered his energy running in the hills and along the beach while Jones just went to gym. The former will gather more natural power.

Robben, Messi, Ronaldo and Tevez should normally have little plus or minus in their stats, but they are in same region of power. Robben is their oga.

coogar:
so which of the players here is old as soyinka or a geek like bill gates? sometimes, it's better for you to shut up when you have nothing of value to say. we are comparing professional players whose everyday living is spent in the gym & training pitches and you are talking wole soyinka.

You don't have sense. We are supposed to be comparing brain power with physical power based on your yeye logic. I brought the best of brain power vs the best of physical power. Even if you brought a first class student of 21 years old to face me on reaction to that requires movement, I will react 1000 time faster.

coogar:
valencia wasn't rated as a defender on FIFA. he's a winger or RM. pay attention to details. valencia was analysed as a club player, not as an ecuadorian player. his card says RM, not RB.
score less marks in what?
is that why you think azpili is more powerful than jones? elampawa, this is 2015.....repent from your lying ways.
azpilicueta is a defender just like phil jones. how's azpili more powerful than jones? how's koscielny more powerful than john terry?
di maria has no power.

That's the problem. Valencia played as a defender, so they used a defender's stats to rate him in the forward position. You need to understand the way it works. It's even worse if he was analysed as a club player because he plays mostly as a right back for Man United.

Azpilicueta is more powerful than Jones na. Is it by muscle? You obviously did not do sports when you were growing up. Have you seen the size of marathon runners? Do you know how much power they have? Also the builders, always looking thin, but go try them.

Why do you think The Understaker is more powerful than Great Khali, Mark Henry and Kane? You have so much to learn about power.

coogar:
your conclusion is flawed. never ever compare pace with power. they are 2 different things. what would indicate power is the strength/stamina analysis.
if you look closely at the numbers generated by FIFA, strength & stamina rightly put everyone in their deserved place.
rooney.......stamina 89, strength 85
di maria......stamina 79, strength 64
the above automatically tells me rooney is the more powerful player. however, if we go by the dodgy formula you want us to apply, di maria suddenly becomes the more powerful player.
logic dictates my own formula is the right one while yours need deliverance from TB Joshua. only a complete lunatic would think di maria or even robben is more powerful than rooney. wazza might not have pace but he is blessed with power.

Yet stamina and strength put Blind above Akinfenwa. And you argue Akinfenwa is the most powerful footballer. Ukwu!!!

Stamina and strength are just two of the eight components of a football player's physicality.

Even the other rating you presented, Suarez is ahead of Akinfenwa. The two criterias you brought, Akinfenwa is not near the most physical. Yet you keep believing muscles and pgysical build is what make a player having football power. I tire for you sef.

coogar:
because young & mata understand the philosophy better than di maria. so you think it's about power? if it's about power then di maria is the most powerful according to FIFA & rooney should drop to the bench.

Who is talking about power. I am talking about how stats can be misleading.

QUESTION? Arrange the following player according to best, better and good based on this season. Who has performed most?

Rafael's season seems to be over. Broken rib.

Januzaj ankle in the U-21.

Van Gaal sef. RVP had to play U-21?

Rafael's season seems to be over. Broken rib.

Coogar, stats are facts. Why then should Young and Mata start before Di Maria?

coogar:
where did i have this discussion of marathon runners with you? instead of you to address the points i laid down, you are busy running helter skelter imagining things you managed to scoop out of your wet dreams.

When you said stamina is the other thing that has to do with power, you didnt know what you were going into because you thought stamina was about muscle.

coogar:
which power?
did you not lie to us here robben has the most power? i have given you 3 different players more powerful than robben using your retardêd formula. the formula also proves di maria is more powerful than rooney.

I have not deviated from my stance that Robben has the most power in terms of football playing. I only decided to argue using these computer stats because someone brought it up.

coogar:
it's high time you accept you have no clue on what makes a player powerful. your mgbeke formula or all the lies you have told previously have been destroyed. first off, you said it was balance only. after that, you then you went on & said one must add all the attributes under physical to determine power.

You obviously is the one who doesn't know what makes up power. When commentators keep repeating that Robben has blistering pace and power, you unknown pundit is arguing otherwise.

FIFA also came up with 8 physical items as a guide, yet you keep arguing otherwise.

coogar:
you keep running from pillar to post.



you have no clue!



yet more irrelevant points....

So FIFA has no clue what attributes are physical or skillful or mental?

coogar:
so why then is reaction under physical attributes? is reaction not a mental attribute? reaction time is how quickly an athlete reacts to danger or a pass to intercept or to position himself. how is reaction a physical attribute?

Between an old professor/Bill Gate/Wole Soyinka on one hand, and an athlete/Usian Bolt/Mike Tyson, who would react faster to physical threat?

coogar:
valencia play in the defence for country?
when someone gets caught out, they begin to spew nonsense from their arsë. it was from this same position valencia became the fastest player in man utd.

what has position gotta do with it?
in which position in a team is a player not allowed to run or show physical attributes. kagawa is more powerful than jones according to your logic. that ends this argument without a doubt - you are clueless with stats.

Where does Valencia play for country? Wing? In the world cup he was more of a defensive midfielder. He hardly crossed the centre line. Defenders are scored far less in speed, and acceleration. Generally defenders score less. Valencia is scored 87 in speed by FIFA 15 while some other players we know havent speed are scored more.

Position has so much to do with it. Go and check and you will see that players who play in defence score less marks. Even Ramos. Logic should tell therefore that defenders should be compared with defenders.

coogar:
comparing forwards?
di maria is more powerful than rooney.....

I told you from day one of this argument that Rooney doesnt have power as people would think. Although, if he played in Laliga last season, a less physical league his stats would be better. You have much to learn about this power. You needed to see Di Maria in world cup to know what power is about. He is new in EPL and he has not adjusted. This computer rating is also just a guide, it can't be 100% perfect.

coogar:
according to your logic......

The fact.

When you see slim men (lekpas), carrying blocks, raising cement bags and digging hard ground with ease, from 7am to 5pm, and for a living, you will know power is not about bulkiness.

coogar:
you are a proper olodo.
unless you know how much weight given to strength in the algorithm used to calculate physical, you cannot just conclude that strength is already incorporated in physical stat. look at the numbers again & see how akinfenwa beasted everyone else.



the truth is coming out......
after telling us in the last 3 days that robben is the most powerful player in the world, you have now surrendered that ronaldo is more powerful?

if we go with your formula of adding all the attributes under physical together, then it's not only ronaldo that is more powerful than robben. messi & tevez are also more powerful. your formula also says di maria is more pawaful than phil jones.

your formula also says kagawa is powerful than phil jones & tony valencia. even a goat must know your formula does not in any way prove who is more powerful. anyways, i am sure you get the point now that strength & stamina are the most important factors in determining who is more powerful, not balance as you first claimed.

1. See the pictures below, you said the first man, marathon runner has power. The second men, a sprinters have no power. Yet you said physically built people have power while small people don't have power. What a contradiction? Ukwu!!!

Marathon runner have the highest stamina in the world. Yet they are small. For the fact that Messi, Ronaldo, etc have high speed, stamina to match with other physical attributes, means they are powerful. Physical attributes are different from skillful attributes. Sprinting, jumping, acceleration, stamina, strength, agility, etc are all physical attributes. Even walking is a physical attribute. You see fat men walking lazily.

Ball control, Dribbling, heading, shooting, chesting, curving, crossing, finishing, marking,volley etc are all skillful attributes.

Mental attributes are interceptions, positioning, vision.


2. In the Kagawa vs Valencia rating, and Di maria vs Phil Jones, you have to know that these stuff are being monitored by computers based on the players performance on the field. How do you expect Valencia and Phil Jones who play in the defence for club and country to play at top speed, top acceleration, to boost their ratings? Compare forwards with forwards and defenders with defenders. Kagawa even plays in Asia competitions where physical batter is less. He is mostly unlikely to get bullied off the ball there.

Aples and Oranges. Compare defenders with defenders and forwards with forwards.

Coogar, you don't know football.





3. I forgot to respond to this aspect. ... If FIFA has a stat tilted PHYSICALITY, it means there is already algorithm of several items incorporated into it. When you asked who is the best maths student, the student with the highest score gets it. Not the one with a score in a particular section of the exam. All sections amount to the total marked over 100.

Lest I forget, I saw a part of the stat titled beast. Guess waht, Akinfenwa is crawling in that item.

chrisley024:
Saw this from United Fanzone

1. There is no doubt that Di Maria is very productive, he has lost his place to less productive Young and Mata. But when you look at the overall picture, you will conclude that stats can be misleading.

Key pass per minute: Di Maria 32 mins, Janujaz 48 mins, Mata 50 mins, Young 66 mins.
Assist per minutes: Di Maria 156, Mata 475, Young 549
Goals per minute: Mata 237, Di Maria 522, Young 824.

Looking at the stats, tell me why Young or Mata should bench Di Maria for any reason? But we know better from what we see in matches.


2. Falcao's unsuccessful touch and dispossession is worse in the EPL than his former average from other league. The writer produced the stats per game. The fact that Falcao doesn't play 90 mins makes his dispossession more alarming. His unsuccessful touch is every 29 mins while his dispossession is every 30.5 mins. This is his stats when projected over a game of 90 mins, that is, if he were to play 90 mins regularly.

Unsuccessful touch: 3 per game.
Dispossession: 2.9 per game.

3. Do you think Falcao has the speed of Hernadez to outpace EPL defenders while staying on the shoulder of the CBs? Even Hernadez find it hard to do in his last two seasons before he went on loan.

4. I am sure Di Maria will be great for us once he adjust his game. I heard too they are working with him in the gym to toughen him up a little. It's just a matter of adjusting to the EPL style. He has to work on his ball retention. When he came on for Mata against City, the very forst ball he got that was totally his control, he passed it backward trying to find our defender, but it was intercepted by a City player.

I am not one of those who think Falcao is finished. But he will have to rebuild his scoring confidence over several games. With four strikers in the team, the coach and fans wouldn't have that patience. Chelsea can afford to play Drogba because there is no much competition in that department. Sometimes, as a striker, if you are not scoring, you should have something else to compensate that deficiency. At the moment Falcao has nothing to compensate us with. When I saw Falcao beastly against Cheslea, I thought he was such a beast like Tevez with some skills of Maradona. May be I have not really followed him in the past.

When a player like Tevez doesnt score, he puts the defence under pressure. He keeps the ball for others to run into space. When a player like Kanu doesnt score, his overall play and technique compensate. May be we should wait for next season if he will be here. His confidence at the moment is down. May be over competition in that position is also a problem. This was part of Nani's problem when competition became stiff with arrival of Valencia and Young. And Nani couldnt express himself freely.

Dadehmola:


I dey tell you...

His obsession with stamina, vigor, power etc would definitely give nyabingo his female admirers an inkling of what to expect when Konji don hold am!!

Yori Yori!!

When I first came to this thread, you were sounding like a drunkard. Honestly, even your most serious posts sounded like being typed by a drunk. You remember when you used to write bluntly like 'IS WELBECK A FOOTBALLER'? even though I was new here with confusing names all over, I have memories of some people and what early opinion I formed about them. After a while, it appeared you got delivered and refined with your posts sounding matured. Now, it look's like the demons are back, your in-house bar is reopened.


Yori Yori

chrisley024:
Winning our games should be our concern. More 3 wins and we're OK.

Let's hope we return to winning ways at Goodison park. All injured players should come back now.

I wished it was an EPL match Liverpool lost today.

coogar:
if he's lazy, why would he become the strongest player in FIFA for 2 years running?



suarez's physical is 79
suarez's strength is 76

akinfenwa's physical is 78
akinfenwa's strength is 97.



ronaldo has 693 in total and yet he's not the strongest. the parameters weren't added together like a + b + c. an algorithm was used to determine who the most physical players are in the world. robben wasn't among the top 1000 players.

You keep failing yourself. The Suarez and Akinfenwa example above is highly flawed. Strength is already incorporated into your physicality stat. You yourself has said this earlier.

Secondly, if CR7 has higher mark than Robben, then I have seen one player who has power than Robben. This is the genuine measurement. There is no any yeye algorithm. The only algorithm is the one off physical stat you presented that puts Suarez above Akinfenma.

SailorXY, you guys should discuss how we are to finish top 4 before you talk next season? City and Liverpool still putting pressure on us.

coogar:
if strong doesn't mean football power, it must mean football weakness. why would FIFA - a football organisation rates a player's strength on other factors apart from football?

We are not discussing strong but power. The items 8 listed, Akinfenwa is a lazy footballer. Chikena.

coogar:
akinfenwa = 78(physical)
robben = 64(physical)
any more excuses?

You said Suarez is 79. Ukwu!!! So Suarez is the strongest footballer abi?

Go back to the real stats- the 8 items. Robben is the highest among you mentioned. Robben has 663 total. Now case closed finally finally.

coogar:
FIFA officially named him the strongest player in the world. so yes....you should google him.

Strong doesnt mean 'football power'. There is a separate list for strong. If Hulk Hogan enrols as a footballer today, he would be the strongest man. But it wont mean he he has football power. Pace and power.

coogar:
because the last 2 is what propelled akinfenwa to be the strongest in the world in 2 seasons in a row.

He is only strong. We are talking of football power. When they keep saying Robben has pace and power.

FIFA 15 stated 8 items under a clear header titled 'PHYSICAL'.

coogar:
akinfenwa is.
google him



robben isn't strong on the ball. this is why he dives. he dives to protect himself from the big bullies.



are you really asking this question?



pay attention to the bolded items.

*What am I to do with google when there are stats?

* Why do you want me to pay attention to the last two when we have 8. Even Akinfenwa is weak in stamina and you still say he has football power. Someone who will gas out if he were to chase Januzaj twice.

coogar:
so what is football power?
akinfenwa sent an email to FIFA when he heard of a rumour that he would lose his first place as the most powerful player in the world. he said he's going to challenge whoever wins his place to a bench-pressing task. FIFA quickly replied him that no one can take his place and he retained his title. all these physical components count....

robben has pace but he has no power. ramires has pace & stamina but no strength. i fail to see how you can put robben & ramires in the same echelon when they have varying physical attributes.

But he is not the most powerful from our analysis using the FIFA stat. Robben is.

coogar:
robben has pace but he has no power. ramires has pace & stamina but no strength. i fail to see how you can put robben & ramires in the same echelon when they have varying physical attributes.



pace, yes
power, no.
you are the one using the word power loosely. robben gets easily bullied off the ball.....although much of it is him being cheeky and trying to cheat the officials but he's powerless against physical monsters like bony, emenike, toure or pogba. those are FIFA's most powerful players.

Robben doesnt get bullied off the ball?


How is Pogba and Emenike the most powerful?

Pogba
Physical
75 Acceleration
79 Agility
60 Balance
87 Jumping
78 Reactions
77 Sprint Speed
87 Stamina
90 Strength

Emenike
Physical
89 Acceleration
66 Agility
68 Balance
63 Jumping
80 Reactions
87 Sprint Speed
81 Stamina
90 Strength

coogar:
akinfenwa is the strongest player in the world. he's rated 97(strength) but his overall physical score is 78. blind's overall score is 77. suarez is 79. walcott, robben & hazard are 64.



that was after you confessed your definition of pawa = pace & power abi nor be you write this one?

If you have been reading my posts since last week, I have said emphatically that power in football is not about speed alone, and it's definitely not about body built. My posts are there. Footballing is not weight lifting so we are not talking about bulk body where a player becomes a monument. On the other hand, I cannot say Ahmed Musa has power, despite his speed. This is why I said there are components. Last week, Chrisley asked me if it's about physical strength, I said no, that there are components. Now, FIFA 15 appeared to have helped me a great deal to break down the components. I think the 8 components of a player's physical under FIFA 15 is the best comprehensive representation of a football player's power on the field especially when scored over 800.

As for Akinfenwa, he doesn't have football power. He shouldn't even have been a footballer. I wonder how much body pains he feels when he gets home after training and matches. Since I came on this thread, I have never referred to such players as having football power (pace and power). I mentioned Ramires and Robben in the very first few months I got here. I also added Toure after a while.

Now that it's obvious we are not on same page on what it means when it's said a player is having pace and power, I wonder how I am going to be describing such players to you guys understanding. Even commentators and sports journalists frequently use 'pace and power' for Robben.

coogar:
and how did you know the solution was a straight addition of both parameters? this is my problem with you. you make your own argument & then prove it is wrong.

what makes you think power isn't strength + 10% of stamina divided by 5? or some other variables added to it. how can you just conclude its a straight addition of both parameters?

at the end of it all - akinfenwa is 78 physical while blind is 77 physical. simple logic would tell you the emphasis on strength had more weight than stamina in the algorithm used to determine their overall physical score. it couldn't have been as straight forward as you put it by adding x + y.




happy sunday!

I have addressed all your objections and you keep repeating things I have already addressed. I told you there are 8 items under physical. Now you brought a figure without source. From your figure, Akinfenwa is just 1 mark above Blind. You told us last week Akinfenwa is the most physical player in the world. So now, may be Blind is the second most physical. Ukwu!!!

Your Walcott speed argument has been taken care of in my previous posts. It's hereby render useless.

Happy Sunday.

Van Gaal: United played their best match of the season at Chelsea

BBC: Louis, do you feel unlucky not to have won this game?

VG: It doesn't matter how I feel, I think.

BBC: But on possession, and on the amount of time you spent in Chelsea's half, you would say that you were at least as good as they were?

VG: I don't have to say it. In football it's only counting the goals and they scored one goal. It was the first shot on the goal and, against Crystal Palace, I believe it was in the 90th minute, so they did better today.

BBC: Are you frustrated by what you've seen?

VG: I am not frustrated, I am very proud of my team. Why do I have to be frustrated?

BBC: Just at losing the game...

VG: We played the best match of the season.

BBC: Is that how highly you rate the performance, yeah?

VG: Yeah, you don't?

BBC: No, I'm just interested in how you see it...

VG: Okay, that's good ... that you are interested.

BBC: You changed things around today because you had to. Did it work exactly as you intended it to, with Wayne Rooney back in midfield?

VG: When I say that we played the best match of the world, and is this a rhetorical question, I think.

BBC: What about the incident at the end? Should you have had a penalty?

VG: When you want to evaluate the referee then also you have to evaluate the first goal. In my opinion, that's the main decision of the referee.

BBC: Are you taking issue with what you feel maybe is a foul on [Radamel] Falcao?

VG: Maybe you can watch on television. Repetition, maybe.

BBC: Do you think it was a foul on Falcao in the build-up?

VG: So! You know that?! Okay...

BBC: Thanks, Louis.
http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2015/04/19/10913242/van-gaal-united-played-their-best-match-of-the-season-at?ICID=HP_BN_5


Really? Any way I don log out so.

coogar:
the only 2 stats you need under physical to determine power are stamina & strength.

Darley Blind
92 Stamina
73 Strength


Akinfenwa
59 Stamina
97 Strength

According to you, Daley Blind is more powerful than Akindenwa. Akinfenwa total in Stamina and Strength is 156. Blind is 165.

I had to highlight the above. Akinfenwa doesn't have football power. He is better suited a weight lifter. Football power is not about muscle or grabbis or built like a gorila.

I am sure if this Akinfenwa chases Januzaj twice, he would be tired for the rest of the game. Then even Mata will just be having a free strol past him in the rest of the match. Is that the player you said has power? Someone who cannot last? Someone without a resilience? A monument?

Football is a mobile game, for you to be seen in having power for the game or in the game of football, so much energy has to be seen in you movement, sprint movements, some with jumping ability, and it has to be seen throughout a game.



I have to go.

coogar:
plenty of them on FIFA15.
many of them are even silver-rated. low quality players with plenty of physical attributes. stop arguing with someone who builds teams on FIFA.

That means they actually are more physical than Robben. You can be skillful and technical and still be physical. You can be skillful and technical with no much physicality.

You can be physical with little skills and technique -a low profile footballer with power. Many of them in African leagues.

coogar:
he doesn't have more power.
look at the subsets of the physical stats. are you trying to argue reactions has something to do with power?

Reaction has everything to do with power. Lazy players won't react fast. Someone like Mikel.

coogar:
acceleration has nothing to do with power. jumping has nothing to do with power. sprint speed has nothing to do with power. yet, you have all these things under physical. the only 2 stats you need under physical to determine power are stamina & strength.

.

Ukwu!!!

All these are the core component of power.

Acceleration= This has some stuff to do with power.
Jumping= Any one who can jump has power. You need to build your upper muscle and other exercises to be able to jump high or long.

Sprint speed= This is all about power. Consistent sprint speed over 50 meter (without fluctuation in speed) is about power. When an athlete has top speed and it fluctuates, he will need to build his upper muscle.

Stamina= See my comment below. A component of physicality but not about muscle or bulkiness.

Strength= This has something to do with power, particularly in the sense of physical built and ability to lift weight. However, it's just one component of football power.

coogar:
the only 2 stats you need under physical to determine power are [b]stamina & strength.[/b]

The bolded reveals to me you did not do outdoor sports. Stamina is about how durable one can last. Normally, slim players should last longer if they have done the right exercises from childhood. Slim athletes who burn much energy training long hours from childhood should have more stamina. This is why marathon runners have so much stamina. When I was playing, I had a lot of stamina. I could do 1,500 meters very well, beating those who beat me in sprint race. My sprint speed was later increased when I was introduced to weight lifting. But weight did not alter my slim built, the power is inside my body.

Darley Blind
Physical
68 Acceleration
73 Agility
72 Balance
66 Jumping
83 Reactions
64 Sprint Speed
92 Stamina
73 Strength


So according to you, Blind is very powerful.

Akinfenwa
59 Stamina
97 Strength

Akinfenwa total in Stamina and Strenght is 156. Blind is 165. Coogar give up! I am discussing practical but you are talking theory.

coogar:
power is different from pace. everyone knows what pace is. no one would argue robben is pacier than toure......but toure is powerful than robben. stop lumping 2 different distinctive attributes together.

Sprint is part of power. FIFA acknowledges this. Why distorting facts? When you watch football and you see someone run with so much energy, force and consistently over 40-50 yards, just know that player has power. If the speed fluctuates, the person doesn't have power.



I might not be able to respond again. I will be too busy.

coogar:
which facts are you reeling out? do you know how many players that have more than 663 as their total physical attributes? what has physical attributes gotta do with power? you have failed simple IQ test, kiddo.

Who are these players?

It's you your simple IQ has failed because I have proven that Robben has power based on stat. Of all the players you guys said have power more than Robben, stats show he beat them in physical attributes. If at all there is a footballer out there with higher score under physicality, then it means the footballer has power more than Robben.

coogar:
so explain this post of yours then....

https://www.nairaland.com/871307/official-manchester-united-fan-thread/1571#32872050

The post is saying, power in football (usually used while referring to pace and power), is not about body built.

coogar:
i like how you claim moral victories when you have been exposed as an illiterate. balance has less to do with power than agility. the more agile a player is, the more likely he's going to keep the ball even when challenged because he can twist & turn as he pleases.


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You are the STARK illiterate here because you are arguing with facts.

Total Physical Lahm= 639
Total Physical Robben = 663

coogar:
if balance is just one component of power, why did you just isolate balance in your previous posts?
according to FIFA.....
Balance is how well can your player stay standing on their feet? Helps determine how well they can make sharp turns and such.
Agile players normally have more balance. This can factor into when your player is shielding the ball. This also applies to changing direction.
if you didn't use balance as the [b]sole determinant of strength, i wouldn't have used phillip lahm as my reference[/b]. you know your point falls flat in the face if you think lahm has more power than yaya toure..

Balance is just one component. I was buttressing my earlier point that physical muscle or body built has nothing to do with power- when talking about pace and power in football, I can never say Daniel Shittu has pace and power. Neither would I say Super Eagles Ogbude has pace and power. But Ramires has pace and power. Sanchez has pace and power. Kagawa doesn't have pace and power even if he has one or two components going for him.

coogar:
i never partook in the argument from the outset but when you made balance as the sole determinant of power, i had to shut you down for such a big lie.

you were part of the argument before I brought Oshoala's example.

I never said that Balance is the sole determinant of power. I have always said, power in football means a different thing than power like Hulk Hogan. Hulk Hogan, no matter how he strikes the ball, won't hit it well beyond 40 yards. But let Mata hit it.

coogar:
kagawa has 93 agility & 91 balance. by your logic, kagawa who you deemed as an indomie player has the same power as robben? kagawa is stronger than sanchez, toure and rooney?
get the fück outta here with your village analysis.

What is Kagawa's total under physicality?

coogar:
i have been playing FIFA for more than 15 years and what you typed above is rubbish. agility is what balances a player, not power and strength.

All these is nonsense. Give up already. This is a flawless victory for me.

Agility has its own marks.
Strength has its own mark.
Balance, which is a different entiry, has its mark.

All these are some of the components of a player PHYSICALITY

coogar:
robben has the most power in football? sell this lie to stark illiterates. phillip lahm has more balance than robben. by your definition, lahm is more powerful than robben?

* You have shot yourself. As you claim, if agility determines balance, how come Lahm with less agility than Robben has more balance?

* Balance is just one component of power. How did Lahm fare in other components? There are some players who did well in jumping but didnt have other components to back up.

Philipp
Lahm
FC Bayern • Germany

FIFA 15
Physical
77 Acceleration
83 Agility
92 Balance
72 Jumping
92 Reactions
76 Sprint Speed
88 Stamina
59 Strength

Robben
Physical
93 Acceleration
93 Agility
91 Balance
61 Jumping
89 Reactions
93 Sprint Speed
78 Stamina
65 Strength



Remember, stats are facts. Coogar, today is Sunday. I am going to enjoy my weekend. This argument has been over since.

If it were Phil Jones who made that pass to Falcao, they would have said he had no brain because Falcao didnt want the ball at all. Look at how Oscar easily lured Smalling away. Even me, I knew what Oscar was going to do.




Talking of making a player look bad! It's so easy to do.

coogar:
so robben & rooney have more power than yaya toure? you know nothing about football. balance isn't power - some players cannot be easily knocked off the ball because they are very agile & skilful when in possession. it's got little to do with strength! agility has much more to do with balance than strength.

Robben has the most power in football. How many times will I repeat myself?

You know zero about football. Balance is about how you stand firm after a PHYSICAL CHALLENGE. FIFA 15 definition.

If you consider the 8 components listed by FIFA, Robben has more power than Sanchez. Then Sanchez > Toure > Rooney.

This is FIFA stats corroborating exactly what I have been saying. It wasnt me who even started the FIFA 15 start. Someone else brought it and shot himself. Remember, stats are facts.

Dadehmola:
Elampiro, this your obsession with pace, power, strength etc is becoming a major cause for concern.

There must be something you aren't telling us

I am teaching people who don't know what having power in football is about. They have always, in fact all their life thought that power is muscle in football. It's shocking when football fans who claim to know too much, don't even know what pace and power in football means.

Imagine, someone was describing long shot as part of power. Ukwu!!! Long shot is just about shot accuracy from outside the box. Another had earlier said sprint speed is about football skills.

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